On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 12:53:51 PM UTC-10, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:

>
> LOl, the Cosworth variant however was actually pretty nifty, in the
> idiom of nasty 70s cars anyway:
>
>
>
> Interesting comparison road test:
>
> http://www.motortrend.com/cars/mercu...cury-capri-ii/
>
> By mid-72 this technological gem was spinning out 170 hp at 7600 rpm
> and 126 lb-ft at 4000 €” heady stuff in a 2300-pound car €” but
> part-throttle driveability was poor and emissions werent clean enough.
> By May 1973, output was down to 130 hp and 116 lb-ft, but Car and Driver
> took a prototype to 60 mph in 7.7 seconds with a 16.2-second 85-mph
> quarter mile, proclaiming, €œThe only four-passenger coupes faster than a
> Cosworth Vega have a Detroit V-8 under the hood.€�

The Cosworth Vega had that amazing engine. OTOH, these days twin-cam, 4-valve engines are fairly common. My VW has a twin-cam, 5-valve, intercooled turbo, engine. Too bad it weighs about 1500lb too much. It would be pretty spiffy if it weighed 2300lb like the Vega and Capri.

On 10/26/2017 5:40 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 12:53:51 PM UTC-10, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
>
>>
>> LOl, the Cosworth variant however was actually pretty nifty, in the
>> idiom of nasty 70s cars anyway:
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting comparison road test:
>>
>> http://www.motortrend.com/cars/mercu...cury-capri-ii/
>>
>> By mid-72 this technological gem was spinning out 170 hp at 7600 rpm
>> and 126 lb-ft at 4000 €” heady stuff in a 2300-pound car €” but
>> part-throttle driveability was poor and emissions werent clean enough.
>> By May 1973, output was down to 130 hp and 116 lb-ft, but Car and Driver
>> took a prototype to 60 mph in 7.7 seconds with a 16.2-second 85-mph
>> quarter mile, proclaiming, €œThe only four-passenger coupes faster than a
>> Cosworth Vega have a Detroit V-8 under the hood.€�
>
> The Cosworth Vega had that amazing engine. OTOH, these days twin-cam, 4-valve engines are fairly common.

Indeed.

In '72...unheard of domestically.

> My VW has a twin-cam, 5-valve, intercooled turbo, engine. Too bad it weighs about 1500lb too much. It would be pretty spiffy if it weighed 2300lb like the Vega and Capri.

That's actually a pretty bulletproof mill, ubiquitous through multiple
models, and in Golf R form - a civilized beast!

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/auto/2...-golf/preview/

In European trim, it comes with 310 horses and 280 pound-feet of torque.
Get yourself a six-speed stick, and it'll hit 62 mph from rest in 5.1
seconds, but go for the new seven-speed dual-clutch DSG and you'll hit
the magic number in 4.6.

As is the way with high-powered German cars, its top speed is limited to
155mph. In reality, that's more than you're ever likely to need, so no
great shakes. It's the Golf R's acceleration that you'll fall for.

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 1:34:54 PM UTC-10, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
>
>
> Was it a mandatory water pump swap too, as most are?
>
> I am just totally a timing chain guy.
>
> So much more reliable.
>
> Never really heard of one being prone to breakage either...

My understanding is that timing belts on engines are getting popular again because the chains are stretching and messing up the timing and have to be replaced anyway. You're not saving any money over the life of the vehicle. Well that's what my mechanic says anyway.

I don't recall changing the water pump with the timing belt but I might have. When my water pump sprung a leak on the VW, I changed out the belt too since it had to come off anyway. They should hang the water pump off to the side of the engine since they tend to leak.

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 1:48:32 PM UTC-10, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
>
> That's actually a pretty bulletproof mill, ubiquitous through multiple
> models, and in Golf R form - a civilized beast!
>
> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/auto/2...-golf/preview/
>
> In European trim, it comes with 310 horses and 280 pound-feet of torque.
> Get yourself a six-speed stick, and it'll hit 62 mph from rest in 5.1
> seconds, but go for the new seven-speed dual-clutch DSG and you'll hit
> the magic number in 4.6.
>
> As is the way with high-powered German cars, its top speed is limited to
> 155mph. In reality, that's more than you're ever likely to need, so no
> great shakes. It's the Golf R's acceleration that you'll fall for.

Amazingly, VW has made intercooled turbos commonplace. You can forget about all that speed racer stuff - these days, I drive like an old man.

On 2017-10-26 8:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 1:34:54 PM UTC-10, Casa de los
> peregrinos wrote:

>
> My understanding is that timing belts on engines are getting popular
> again because the chains are stretching and messing up the timing and
> have to be replaced anyway. You're not saving any money over the life
> of the vehicle. Well that's what my mechanic says anyway.


It is not a really big job to replace a timing chain, but there are some
engines in which a broken belt can cause massive engine damage.



>
> I don't recall changing the water pump with the timing belt but I
> might have. When my water pump sprung a leak on the VW, I changed out
> the belt too since it had to come off anyway. They should hang the
> water pump off to the side of the engine since they tend to leak.

I did that once. Since they were working in the same general area of the
engine it seemed like a good idea to get them done together.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 23:10:38 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-10-26 8:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 1:34:54 PM UTC-10, Casa de los
>> peregrinos wrote:
>
>>
>> My understanding is that timing belts on engines are getting popular
>> again because the chains are stretching and messing up the timing and
>> have to be replaced anyway. You're not saving any money over the life
>> of the vehicle. Well that's what my mechanic says anyway.
>
>
>It is not a really big job to replace a timing chain, but there are some
>engines in which a broken belt can cause massive engine damage.
>
>
>
>>
>> I don't recall changing the water pump with the timing belt but I
>> might have. When my water pump sprung a leak on the VW, I changed out
>> the belt too since it had to come off anyway. They should hang the
>> water pump off to the side of the engine since they tend to leak.
>
>I did that once. Since they were working in the same general area of the
>engine it seemed like a good idea to get them done together.
>
Back on the original subject matter, are you allowed back in the house
yet??

On 2017-10-27 7:34 AM, wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 23:10:38 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>> I did that once. Since they were working in the same general area of the
>> engine it seemed like a good idea to get them done together.
>>
> Back on the original subject matter, are you allowed back in the house
> yet??

Hell yeah, and the cookie monster cancelled.


It was kind of people to make suggestions about how I should deal with
her visits, like hiding food or locking pantries. I wonder how many
people here want visitors in their house who literally steal large
quantities of food. I opted for Wayne's policy of not allowing them in
my house.

On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 09:47:21 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-10-27 7:34 AM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 23:10:38 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>
>>> I did that once. Since they were working in the same general area of the
>>> engine it seemed like a good idea to get them done together.
>>>
>> Back on the original subject matter, are you allowed back in the house
>> yet??
>
>Hell yeah, and the cookie monster cancelled.
>
>
>It was kind of people to make suggestions about how I should deal with
>her visits, like hiding food or locking pantries. I wonder how many
>people here want visitors in their house who literally steal large
>quantities of food. I opted for Wayne's policy of not allowing them in
>my house.
>
>
I am looking back to before any talk about the poor woman you treated
your wife and her relative as if YOU are the OWNER of the HOUSE and
only you can say who visits. Do you know there is a word called
'ours'?

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/25/2017 11:00 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> One to drive while the other two were in the shop.
> Fix It Again Tony

I never owned more than one car at a time back in those days. That would be
unthinkable. I wouldn't recommend that anybody own a Fiat unless they knew
and understood them. I knew and understood them and they were wonderful
cars. They were cars ahead of their time.

==

I used to have a Fiat Spider


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 6:46:13 AM UTC-10, Casa de los peregrinos
wrote:
> On 10/25/2017 9:00 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 3:13:28 PM UTC-10, Casa de los
> > peregrinos wrote:
> >> On 10/25/2017 5:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> My 67 Barracuda had a vacuum gauge instead of a tach. I thought that
> >>> was the neatest thing.
> >>
> >> Here's a pic of what I consider to be the pre-70s most desirable 'Cuda:
> >>
> >> https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4e/ed/bd/4...8623576165.jpg
> >>
> >> Those colors, those scoops, but those tires oughta be red lines.
> >>
> >> And these are still very reasonable by comparison to the '70-'72 Hemi
> >> Cudas.
> >>
> >> https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuati...outh-Barracuda
> >>
> >>
> >> Current Values
> >>
> >> #1 Concours$28,500
> >>
> >> Condition #1 vehicles are the best in the world. The visual image is of
> >> the best vehicle, in the right colors, driving onto the lawn at the
> >> finest concours.
> >>
> >> https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuati...-plymouth-cuda
> >>
> >> Current Values
> >>
> >> #1 Concours$63,900
> >>
> >> Condition #1 vehicles are the best in the world. The visual image is of
> >> the best vehicle, in the right colors, driving onto the lawn at the
> >> finest concours.
> >
> > I used to drive my boss's 74 440 Duster. It had big tires in the back
> > and small tires in the front. Everything was going fine until I had to
> > do a quick stop and the tires squealed beyond all reason and the back
> > started sliding. Ha ha, I must have looked like a real rube behind the
> > wheel.
> >
> > These days, I wouldn't mind having one of these Fiat 124 Sport Coupe. I
> > liked them so much, I had 3 of them back in the day.
> >
> > https://skbass.files.wordpress.com/2...offiat124d.jpg
> >
> One of the all time classic body styles, I dig the whole Alfa/FIAT
> styling milieu!
>
> Like:
>
> http://en.classicpark.com/uploads/00...000540-09).JPG
>
> https://www.hagertyinsurance.co.uk/p...rint%20750.jpg
>
> Yeah!

Beautiful cars, those Alfas. GM thought so highly of the 124 Sport Coupe
that they bought a few and took them apart. Then they built their own
version. That didn't turn out so well.

http://barnfinds.com/wp-content/uplo...-Notchback.jpg

==

I've had an Alpa Sprint too Oh you are really taking me back ...
memories.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 10/26/2017 6:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 1:34:54 PM UTC-10, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
>>
>>
>> Was it a mandatory water pump swap too, as most are?
>>
>> I am just totally a timing chain guy.
>>
>> So much more reliable.
>>
>> Never really heard of one being prone to breakage either...
>
> My understanding is that timing belts on engines are getting popular again because the chains are stretching and messing up the timing and have to be replaced anyway. You're not saving any money over the life of the vehicle. Well that's what my mechanic says anyway.

I'm very surprised to hear this. A good timing chain should have close
to double the life of a belt, or a minimum of 100,000 miles.

It seems implausible that the technology would have gone backwards here
that recently.

> I don't recall changing the water pump with the timing belt but I might have. When my water pump sprung a leak on the VW, I changed out the belt too since it had to come off anyway. They should hang the water pump off to the side of the engine since they tend to leak.
>

100% agree here, water pumps seem to have been placed as much for
convenience as the high cost of replacement.

On 10/26/2017 6:05 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 1:48:32 PM UTC-10, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
>>
>> That's actually a pretty bulletproof mill, ubiquitous through multiple
>> models, and in Golf R form - a civilized beast!
>>
>> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/auto/2...-golf/preview/
>>
>> In European trim, it comes with 310 horses and 280 pound-feet of torque.
>> Get yourself a six-speed stick, and it'll hit 62 mph from rest in 5.1
>> seconds, but go for the new seven-speed dual-clutch DSG and you'll hit
>> the magic number in 4.6.
>>
>> As is the way with high-powered German cars, its top speed is limited to
>> 155mph. In reality, that's more than you're ever likely to need, so no
>> great shakes. It's the Golf R's acceleration that you'll fall for.
>
> Amazingly, VW has made intercooled turbos commonplace. You can forget about all that speed racer stuff - these days, I drive like an old man.
>


But you _would_ be tempted by 310 ponies - fess up man!

On 10/27/2017 9:26 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1"Â* wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 6:46:13 AM UTC-10, Casa de los
> peregrinos wrote:
>> On 10/25/2017 9:00 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 3:13:28 PM UTC-10, Casa de los >
>> peregrinos wrote:
>> >> On 10/25/2017 5:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> >>> My 67 Barracuda had a vacuum gauge instead of a tach. I thought
>> that >>> was the neatest thing.
>> >>
>> >> Here's a pic of what I consider to be the pre-70s most desirable
>> 'Cuda:
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4e/ed/bd/4...8623576165.jpg
>> >>
>> >> Those colors, those scoops, but those tires oughta be red lines.
>> >>
>> >> And these are still very reasonable by comparison to the '70-'72
>> Hemi >> Cudas.
>> >>
>> >> https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuati...outh-Barracuda
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Current Values
>> >>
>> >> #1 Concours$28,500
>> >>
>> >> Condition #1 vehicles are the best in the world. The visual image
>> is of
>> >> the best vehicle, in the right colors, driving onto the lawn at the
>> >> finest concours.
>> >>
>> >> https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuati...-plymouth-cuda
>> >>
>> >> Current Values
>> >>
>> >> #1 Concours$63,900
>> >>
>> >> Condition #1 vehicles are the best in the world. The visual image
>> is of
>> >> the best vehicle, in the right colors, driving onto the lawn at the
>> >> finest concours.
>> >
>> > I used to drive my boss's 74 440 Duster. It had big tires in the
>> back > and small tires in the front. Everything was going fine until I
>> had to > do a quick stop and the tires squealed beyond all reason and
>> the back > started sliding. Ha ha, I must have looked like a real rube
>> behind the > wheel.
>> >
>> > These days, I wouldn't mind having one of these Fiat 124 Sport
>> Coupe. I > liked them so much, I had 3 of them back in the day.
>> >
>> > https://skbass.files.wordpress.com/2...offiat124d.jpg
>> >
>> One of the all time classic body styles, I dig the whole Alfa/FIAT
>> styling milieu!
>>
>> Like:
>>
>> http://en.classicpark.com/uploads/00...000540-09).JPG
>>
>>
>> https://www.hagertyinsurance.co.uk/p...rint%20750.jpg
>>
>>
>> Yeah!
>
> Beautiful cars, those Alfas. GM thought so highly of the 124 Sport Coupe
> that they bought a few and took them apart. Then they built their own
> version. That didn't turn out so well.
>
> http://barnfinds.com/wp-content/uplo...-Notchback.jpg
>
>
> ==
>
> I've had an Alpa Sprint tooÂ* Oh you are really taking me back ...
> memories.
>

Good ones I hope...

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 6:20:38 AM UTC-10, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
>
> I'm very surprised to hear this. A good timing chain should have close
> to double the life of a belt, or a minimum of 100,000 miles.
>
> It seems implausible that the technology would have gone backwards here
> that recently.

Well, me too. That's something my mechanic told me. He's like a philosopher mechanic. It might have something to do with chains stretching and the drive parts wearing. OTOH, the chain won't break. My guess is that people with a lot of miles on their engines will just live with retarded valve timing and chain noise - because they can.

>
> > I don't recall changing the water pump with the timing belt but I might have. When my water pump sprung a leak on the VW, I changed out the belt too since it had to come off anyway. They should hang the water pump off to the side of the engine since they tend to leak.
> >
>
> 100% agree here, water pumps seem to have been placed as much for
> convenience as the high cost of replacement.

On 10/27/2017 11:56 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 6:20:38 AM UTC-10, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
>>
>> I'm very surprised to hear this. A good timing chain should have close
>> to double the life of a belt, or a minimum of 100,000 miles.
>>
>> It seems implausible that the technology would have gone backwards here
>> that recently.
>
> Well, me too. That's something my mechanic told me. He's like a philosopher mechanic. It might have something to do with chains stretching and the drive parts wearing. OTOH, the chain won't break. My guess is that people with a lot of miles on their engines will just live with retarded valve timing and chain noise - because they can.

I totally agree that chain stretch is the one key factor.

But honestly with double the mileage service intervals it's hardly a
critical failing.

Methinks your mechanic is pulling your pinky on this one.


>>
>>> I don't recall changing the water pump with the timing belt but I might have. When my water pump sprung a leak on the VW, I changed out the belt too since it had to come off anyway. They should hang the water pump off to the side of the engine since they tend to leak.
>>>
>>
>> 100% agree here, water pumps seem to have been placed as much for
>> convenience as the high cost of replacement.
>

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 6:21:24 AM UTC-10, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
>
>
> But you _would_ be tempted by 310 ponies - fess up man!

I don't really need that much power. I'd rather have 100 HP with a manual in a car weighing under a ton. I did have a Hyundai with a 240 HP V6. The acceleration in that thing was a hoot. Wonderful engine.

I know a guy with a Dodge Hellcat. I sure don't want to be driving something like that because I'd kill my sorry ass although I'm still waiting for him to give me a ride.

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 8:09:02 AM UTC-10, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
> On 10/27/2017 11:56 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 6:20:38 AM UTC-10, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm very surprised to hear this. A good timing chain should have close
> >> to double the life of a belt, or a minimum of 100,000 miles.
> >>
> >> It seems implausible that the technology would have gone backwards here
> >> that recently.
> >
> > Well, me too. That's something my mechanic told me. He's like a philosopher mechanic. It might have something to do with chains stretching and the drive parts wearing. OTOH, the chain won't break. My guess is that people with a lot of miles on their engines will just live with retarded valve timing and chain noise - because they can.
>
> I totally agree that chain stretch is the one key factor.
>
> But honestly with double the mileage service intervals it's hardly a
> critical failing.
>
> Methinks your mechanic is pulling your pinky on this one.
>
>
> >>
> >>> I don't recall changing the water pump with the timing belt but I might have. When my water pump sprung a leak on the VW, I changed out the belt too since it had to come off anyway. They should hang the water pump off to the side of the engine since they tend to leak.
> >>>
> >>
> >> 100% agree here, water pumps seem to have been placed as much for
> >> convenience as the high cost of replacement.
> >

Beats me if what he says is true, he's quite knowledgeable about what's going on in the business. It hardly matters much anyway since we'll be driving electric cars sooner than later. All I know is that he does not like to work on my VW. That hurts my feelings.

On 10/27/2017 12:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 6:21:24 AM UTC-10, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
>>
>>
>> But you _would_ be tempted by 310 ponies - fess up man!
>
> I don't really need that much power. I'd rather have 100 HP with a manual in a car weighing under a ton. I did have a Hyundai with a 240 HP V6. The acceleration in that thing was a hoot. Wonderful engine.

Same question I had for Ed - how was the electric power steering - did
it feel right or over-boosted at highway speeds?

I think on your rock that too much HP is wasted anyway, but oh to dream...

> I know a guy with a Dodge Hellcat. I sure don't want to be driving something like that because I'd kill my sorry ass although I'm still waiting for him to give me a ride.
>

Ever watch the classic car auctions like Barrett-Jackson?

Saw a 10 year old Shelby Mustang GT350 w/24K original miles sell for
about $30K!

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Event...ELBY-GT-210339

On 10/27/2017 12:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 8:09:02 AM UTC-10, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
>> On 10/27/2017 11:56 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 6:20:38 AM UTC-10, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm very surprised to hear this. A good timing chain should have close
>>>> to double the life of a belt, or a minimum of 100,000 miles.
>>>>
>>>> It seems implausible that the technology would have gone backwards here
>>>> that recently.
>>>
>>> Well, me too. That's something my mechanic told me. He's like a philosopher mechanic. It might have something to do with chains stretching and the drive parts wearing. OTOH, the chain won't break. My guess is that people with a lot of miles on their engines will just live with retarded valve timing and chain noise - because they can.
>>
>> I totally agree that chain stretch is the one key factor.
>>
>> But honestly with double the mileage service intervals it's hardly a
>> critical failing.
>>
>> Methinks your mechanic is pulling your pinky on this one.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't recall changing the water pump with the timing belt but I might have. When my water pump sprung a leak on the VW, I changed out the belt too since it had to come off anyway. They should hang the water pump off to the side of the engine since they tend to leak.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 100% agree here, water pumps seem to have been placed as much for
>>>> convenience as the high cost of replacement.
>>>
>
> Beats me if what he says is true, he's quite knowledgeable about what's going on in the business. It hardly matters much anyway since we'll be driving electric cars sooner than later. All I know is that he does not like to work on my VW. That hurts my feelings.
>

Well that flat SUCKS!

And I tend to agree that electrics, even in hybrid form are the next
chapter.

But check this out - how about a compression ignition GAS engine:


http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...soline-engine/


Skyactiv-X promises the best of both worlds€”diesel fuel efficiency with
gasoline emissions and drivability. It'll reach production in the 2020
Mazda 3, whose design was previewed in the new Kai Concept that debuted
at Tokyo.

If it all works out, this technology could help internal combustion
engines stay relevant even with increasingly stringent emissions and
economy regulations.

On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 11:54:02 -0300, wrote:

> as if YOU are the OWNER of the HOUSE and
> only you can say who visits. Do you know there is a word called
> 'ours'?

Thank you. I wondered when someone was going to point to the elephant
in the room...

--
Bob
St Francis would have done better to preach to the cats

--
Bob
St Francis would have done better to preach to the cats

On 10/27/2017 11:38 PM, Opinicus wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 11:54:02 -0300, wrote:
>
>> as if YOU are the OWNER of the HOUSE and
>> only you can say who visits. Do you know there is a word called
>> 'ours'?
>
> Thank you. I wondered when someone was going to point to the elephant
> in the room...
>

Looks like RFC is now in the marriage counseling business.

We really don't know what was discussed. If my wife did not want
soemone as a guest in our house I'd discuss it and back her up if it was
deemed a problem for her.

On 2017-10-27 10:54 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 09:47:21 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>>
>> It was kind of people to make suggestions about how I should deal with
>> her visits, like hiding food or locking pantries. I wonder how many
>> people here want visitors in their house who literally steal large
>> quantities of food. I opted for Wayne's policy of not allowing them in
>> my house.
>>
>>
> I am looking back to before any talk about the poor woman you treated
> your wife and her relative as if YOU are the OWNER of the HOUSE and
> only you can say who visits. Do you know there is a word called
> 'ours'?
>

Yes, it is our house, but I may have to point out that others had
suggested locking the pantry cupboards and other things to stop this
woman from stealing things from us and I wonder how many people here
would invite someone into their house.

FWIW, our son came by today and the three of us discussed the situation.
As loyal as he is to the rest of his cousins, he agreed with me. He
knows that she steals things and is concerned about something of value
to him is missing from his old bedroom, which is now the quest room
where the niece stayed last year, and the item went missing.

On 10/28/2017 12:04 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-10-27 10:54 AM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 09:47:21 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It was kind of people to make suggestions about how I should deal with
>>> her visits, like hiding food or locking pantries. I wonder how many
>>> people here want visitors in their house who literally steal large
>>> quantities of food. I opted for Wayne's policy of not allowing them in
>>> my house.
>>>
>>>
>> I am looking back to before any talk about the poor woman you treated
>> your wife and her relative as if YOU are the OWNER of the HOUSE and
>> only you can say who visits.Â* Do you know there is a word called
>> 'ours'?
>>
>
> Â*Yes, it is our house, but I may have to point out that others had
> suggested locking the pantry cupboards and other things to stop this
> woman from stealing things from us and I wonder how many people here
> would invite someone into their house.
>
> FWIW, our son came by today and the three of us discussed the situation.
> Â*As loyal as he is to the rest of his cousins, he agreed with me.Â* He
> knows that she steals things and is concerned about something of value
> to him is missing from his old bedroom, which is now the quest room
> where the niece stayedÂ* last year, and the item went missing.
>
>
>

Seems to be a sensible decision. Even if you exaggerated half of the
story I'd not want her in my house.

On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 23:59:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 10/27/2017 11:38 PM, Opinicus wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 11:54:02 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> as if YOU are the OWNER of the HOUSE and
>>> only you can say who visits. Do you know there is a word called
>>> 'ours'?
>>
>> Thank you. I wondered when someone was going to point to the elephant
>> in the room...
>>
>
>Looks like RFC is now in the marriage counseling business.
>
>We really don't know what was discussed. If my wife did not want
>soemone as a guest in our house I'd discuss it and back her up if it was
>deemed a problem for her.

Dave announced he wasn't going to get any because he had told his wife
the niece was not allowed in his house.

Personally I agree with your sentiments, but according to him, that's
not how it went.

On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 00:04:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-10-27 10:54 AM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 09:47:21 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It was kind of people to make suggestions about how I should deal with
>>> her visits, like hiding food or locking pantries. I wonder how many
>>> people here want visitors in their house who literally steal large
>>> quantities of food. I opted for Wayne's policy of not allowing them in
>>> my house.
>>>
>>>
>> I am looking back to before any talk about the poor woman you treated
>> your wife and her relative as if YOU are the OWNER of the HOUSE and
>> only you can say who visits. Do you know there is a word called
>> 'ours'?
>>
>
> Yes, it is our house, but I may have to point out that others had
>suggested locking the pantry cupboards and other things to stop this
>woman from stealing things from us and I wonder how many people here
>would invite someone into their house.
>
>FWIW, our son came by today and the three of us discussed the situation.
> As loyal as he is to the rest of his cousins, he agreed with me. He
>knows that she steals things and is concerned about something of value
>to him is missing from his old bedroom, which is now the quest room
>where the niece stayed last year, and the item went missing.

Regardless it's not wise to keep valuable items in a guest room, they
become what's known as an "attractive nuisance" and tend to disappear.
As an alternative guest facility for Big Niece you might consider
pitching a one ring circus tent in your back yard and supply her with
a fifty pound sack of in the shell peanuts.

On 10/28/2017 3:24 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 00:04:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2017-10-27 10:54 AM, wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 09:47:21 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> It was kind of people to make suggestions about how I should deal with
>>>> her visits, like hiding food or locking pantries. I wonder how many
>>>> people here want visitors in their house who literally steal large
>>>> quantities of food. I opted for Wayne's policy of not allowing them in
>>>> my house.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I am looking back to before any talk about the poor woman you treated
>>> your wife and her relative as if YOU are the OWNER of the HOUSE and
>>> only you can say who visits. Do you know there is a word called
>>> 'ours'?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, it is our house, but I may have to point out that others had
>> suggested locking the pantry cupboards and other things to stop this
>> woman from stealing things from us and I wonder how many people here
>> would invite someone into their house.
>>
>> FWIW, our son came by today and the three of us discussed the situation.
>> As loyal as he is to the rest of his cousins, he agreed with me. He
>> knows that she steals things and is concerned about something of value
>> to him is missing from his old bedroom, which is now the quest room
>> where the niece stayed last year, and the item went missing.
>
> Regardless it's not wise to keep valuable items in a guest room, they
> become what's known as an "attractive nuisance" and tend to disappear.
> As an alternative guest facility for Big Niece you might consider
> pitching a one ring circus tent in your back yard and supply her with
> a fifty pound sack of in the shell peanuts.
>

ROTFLMFAO!!!~


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On 2017-10-28 5:24 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 00:04:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>> FWIW, our son came by today and the three of us discussed the situation.
>> As loyal as he is to the rest of his cousins, he agreed with me. He
>> knows that she steals things and is concerned about something of value
>> to him is missing from his old bedroom, which is now the quest room
>> where the niece stayed last year, and the item went missing.
>
> Regardless it's not wise to keep valuable items in a guest room, they
> become what's known as an "attractive nuisance" and tend to disappear.

A couple of things have gone missing from that room after she stayed in
it. One was a Ralph Steadman book of ink sketches called Dogs' Bodies.
The other was a booklet from Cook Country where FIL was born and my
son was saving with the idea of using his grandfather's birthplace to
get American citizenship.


> As an alternative guest facility for Big Niece you might consider
> pitching a one ring circus tent in your back yard and supply her with
> a fifty pound sack of in the shell peanuts.

Even I wouldn't make a comment like that. Besides.... only 50 lb?

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2017-10-28 5:24 PM, wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 00:04:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
>
> >> FWIW, our son came by today and the three of us discussed the situation.
> >> As loyal as he is to the rest of his cousins, he agreed with me. He
> >> knows that she steals things and is concerned about something of value
> >> to him is missing from his old bedroom, which is now the quest room
> >> where the niece stayed last year, and the item went missing.
> >
> > Regardless it's not wise to keep valuable items in a guest room, they
> > become what's known as an "attractive nuisance" and tend to disappear.
>
> A couple of things have gone missing from that room after she stayed in
> it. One was a Ralph Steadman book of ink sketches called Dogs' Bodies.
> The other was a booklet from Cook Country where FIL was born and my
> son was saving with the idea of using his grandfather's birthplace to
> get American citizenship.

Make some excuse to drop in unannounced at her house and search it
while feigning a long vitist to the bathroom.

Janet UK

On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 19:37:43 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-10-28 5:24 PM, wrote:

>> Regardless it's not wise to keep valuable items in a guest room, they
>> become what's known as an "attractive nuisance" and tend to disappear.
>
>A couple of things have gone missing from that room after she stayed in
>it. One was a Ralph Steadman book of ink sketches called Dogs' Bodies.
> The other was a booklet from Cook Country where FIL was born and my
>son was saving with the idea of using his grandfather's birthplace to
>get American citizenship.

Are you saying she ate those books?

wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 00:04:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2017-10-27 10:54 AM, wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 09:47:21 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> It was kind of people to make suggestions about how I should deal with
>>>> her visits, like hiding food or locking pantries. I wonder how many
>>>> people here want visitors in their house who literally steal large
>>>> quantities of food. I opted for Wayne's policy of not allowing them in
>>>> my house.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I am looking back to before any talk about the poor woman you treated
>>> your wife and her relative as if YOU are the OWNER of the HOUSE and
>>> only you can say who visits. Do you know there is a word called
>>> 'ours'?
>>>
>>

>> FWIW, our son came by today and the three of us discussed the situation.
>> As loyal as he is to the rest of his cousins, he agreed with me. He
>> knows that she steals things and is concerned about something of value
>> to him is missing from his old bedroom, which is now the quest room
>> where the niece stayed last year, and the item went missing.
>
> Regardless it's not wise to keep valuable items in a guest room, they
> become what's known as an "attractive nuisance" and tend to disappear.
> As an alternative guest facility for Big Niece you might consider
> pitching a one ring circus tent in your back yard and supply her with
> a fifty pound sack of in the shell peanuts.
>

I bet you are often missing a few XXXXX size bras from your
place

On 2017-10-28 8:52 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 19:37:43 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2017-10-28 5:24 PM, wrote:
>
>>> Regardless it's not wise to keep valuable items in a guest room, they
>>> become what's known as an "attractive nuisance" and tend to disappear.
>>
>> A couple of things have gone missing from that room after she stayed in
>> it. One was a Ralph Steadman book of ink sketches called Dogs' Bodies.
>> The other was a booklet from Cook Country where FIL was born and my
>> son was saving with the idea of using his grandfather's birthplace to
>> get American citizenship.
>
> Are you saying she ate those books?
>


I didn't say that. Bu now that you mention it, and having seen how much
she eats..... I should not rule out that possibility..

On 10/28/2017 9:50 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Take that story, along with all the others, with a big grain of salt.
>
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 22:52:13 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

>On 2017-10-28 8:52 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 19:37:43 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-10-28 5:24 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>> Regardless it's not wise to keep valuable items in a guest room, they
>>>> become what's known as an "attractive nuisance" and tend to disappear.
>>>
>>> A couple of things have gone missing from that room after she stayed in
>>> it. One was a Ralph Steadman book of ink sketches called Dogs' Bodies.
>>> The other was a booklet from Cook Country where FIL was born and my
>>> son was saving with the idea of using his grandfather's birthplace to
>>> get American citizenship.
>>
>> Are you saying she ate those books?
>>
>
>
>I didn't say that. Bu now that you mention it, and having seen how much
>she eats..... I should not rule out that possibility..

OK, I'm new here. But this fascinates me and I would love to hear the full
story behind it. I too have had some difficult houseguests, but nothing
that sounds like this.

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I have sprayed you into my eyes

On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 06:21:54 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>On Sat 28 Oct 2017 11:03:23p, Lesmond told us...
>
>> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 22:52:13 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>On 2017-10-28 8:52 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 19:37:43 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-10-28 5:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Regardless it's not wise to keep valuable items in a guest
>>>>>> room, they become what's known as an "attractive nuisance" and
>>>>>> tend to disappear.
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple of things have gone missing from that room after she
>>>>> stayed in it. One was a Ralph Steadman book of ink sketches
>>>>> called Dogs' Bodies.
>>>>> The other was a booklet from Cook Country where FIL was born
>>>>> and my
>>>>> son was saving with the idea of using his grandfather's
>>>>> birthplace to get American citizenship.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying she ate those books?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I didn't say that. Bu now that you mention it, and having seen how
>>>much she eats..... I should not rule out that possibility..
>>
>> OK, I'm new here. But this fascinates me and I would love to hear
>> the full story behind it. I too have had some difficult
>> houseguests, but nothing that sounds like this.
>>
>
>It brings to mind a story from many years ago that involved my dad's
>sister-in-law. My dad's aunt and uncle were very old school and
>formal people. They hosted a large holiday dinner party and, typical
>of old southern families, there was a groaning board of desserts to
>choose from. As my dad's aunt was asking each guest which dessert
>that would like, my dad's sister-in-law spoke up and asked for a
>dinner plate so that she could have a piece of each of all the
>desserts. That story was told for many years, as the sister-in-law
>was a rather rude and brash person, and my dad's aunt was mortified
>at the request, although was very gracious.

Thank you for the story. Although we always have all the desserts. Just
one at a time.

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I have sprayed you into my eyes

On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 06:21:54 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Sat 28 Oct 2017 11:03:23p, Lesmond told us...
>
>> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 22:52:13 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>I didn't say that. Bu now that you mention it, and having seen how
>>>much she eats..... I should not rule out that possibility..
>>
>> OK, I'm new here. But this fascinates me and I would love to hear
>> the full story behind it. I too have had some difficult
>> houseguests, but nothing that sounds like this.
>>
>
>It brings to mind a story from many years ago that involved my dad's
>sister-in-law. My dad's aunt and uncle were very old school and
>formal people. They hosted a large holiday dinner party and, typical
>of old southern families, there was a groaning board of desserts to
>choose from. As my dad's aunt was asking each guest which dessert
>that would like, my dad's sister-in-law spoke up and asked for a
>dinner plate so that she could have a piece of each of all the
>desserts. That story was told for many years, as the sister-in-law
>was a rather rude and brash person, and my dad's aunt was mortified
>at the request, although was very gracious.

It must have been absolutely traumatising. I'm assuming your aunt
needed professional help afterwards.

On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 02:44:21 -0400 (EDT), "Lesmond"
> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 06:21:54 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>On Sat 28 Oct 2017 11:03:23p, Lesmond told us...
>>
>>> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 22:52:13 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>I didn't say that. Bu now that you mention it, and having seen how
>>>>much she eats..... I should not rule out that possibility..
>>>
>>> OK, I'm new here. But this fascinates me and I would love to hear
>>> the full story behind it. I too have had some difficult
>>> houseguests, but nothing that sounds like this.
>>>
>>
>>It brings to mind a story from many years ago that involved my dad's
>>sister-in-law. My dad's aunt and uncle were very old school and
>>formal people. They hosted a large holiday dinner party and, typical
>>of old southern families, there was a groaning board of desserts to
>>choose from. As my dad's aunt was asking each guest which dessert
>>that would like, my dad's sister-in-law spoke up and asked for a
>>dinner plate so that she could have a piece of each of all the
>>desserts. That story was told for many years, as the sister-in-law
>>was a rather rude and brash person, and my dad's aunt was mortified
>>at the request, although was very gracious.
>
>Thank you for the story. Although we always have all the desserts. Just
>one at a time.

lol

On 10/29/2017 2:21 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> It brings to mind a story from many years ago that involved my dad's
> sister-in-law. My dad's aunt and uncle were very old school and
> formal people. They hosted a large holiday dinner party and, typical
> of old southern families, there was a groaning board of desserts to
> choose from. As my dad's aunt was asking each guest which dessert
> that would like, my dad's sister-in-law spoke up and asked for a
> dinner plate so that she could have a piece of each of all the
> desserts. That story was told for many years, as the sister-in-law
> was a rather rude and brash person, and my dad's aunt was mortified
> at the request, although was very gracious.

That strikes me as funny. I do the same thing at dinners like that
but of course we are not a formal family. No one is plating my
dessert for me.

Just as I take a little bit of almost everything during the meal,
I take small bits of different desserts to try them all. Only at
a restaurant would I see several different desserts and have to
choose just one.

Naturally I'd wind up sharing that, too, but that's a whole
'nother thread.

nancy

On 10/29/2017 2:44 AM, Lesmond wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 06:21:54 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>> that would like, my dad's sister-in-law spoke up and asked for a
>> dinner plate so that she could have a piece of each of all the
>> desserts. That story was told for many years, as the sister-in-law
>> was a rather rude and brash person, and my dad's aunt was mortified
>> at the request, although was very gracious.
>
> Thank you for the story. Although we always have all the desserts. Just
> one at a time.

Funny.

nancy

On 2017-10-29 10:20 AM, Gary wrote:

> I feel the same, Nancy. If someone offers a variety of desserts
> (odd to me in the first place at someones home), I see nothing
> wrong at all for wanting to sample a smaller portion of each.
>
> As you say, many dishes offer for the dinner, most people with
> take a small amount of most things.

A few years ago my wife and I attended a wedding at a local winery. The
meal was delicious, beef tenderloins grilled to perfection. There was a
dessert table with full portion slices of cakes, pies and other goodies.
I was amazed to see people loading up with three or more servings each.
By the time the bridal party went to get their dessert there was nothing
left.

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> On 10/29/2017 2:21 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> > It brings to mind a story from many years ago that involved my dad's
> > sister-in-law. My dad's aunt and uncle were very old school and
> > formal people. They hosted a large holiday dinner party and, typical
> > of old southern families, there was a groaning board of desserts to
> > choose from. As my dad's aunt was asking each guest which dessert
> > that would like, my dad's sister-in-law spoke up and asked for a
> > dinner plate so that she could have a piece of each of all the
> > desserts. That story was told for many years, as the sister-in-law
> > was a rather rude and brash person, and my dad's aunt was mortified
> > at the request, although was very gracious.
>
> That strikes me as funny. I do the same thing at dinners like that
> but of course we are not a formal family. No one is plating my
> dessert for me.
>
> Just as I take a little bit of almost everything during the meal,
> I take small bits of different desserts to try them all.

I feel the same, Nancy. If someone offers a variety of desserts
(odd to me in the first place at someones home), I see nothing
wrong at all for wanting to sample a smaller portion of each.

As you say, many dishes offer for the dinner, most people with
take a small amount of most things.