On 10/28/2017 7:26 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> !"Bruce"Â* wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 11:55:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> The way others speak to you, is not my business or my fault.
>
>
>
> ==
>
> Do you disagree?Â* Am I to blame for what other people post?
>
> Am I supposed to fight anyone who posts nasty stuff to you?Â* I have
> enough problems defending myself and I don't see you defending me!
>
> Yes, I hate the way others post, but I can't change that, nor am I
> responsible for it.
>
> I repeat, if anyone speaks nicely to me, I respond.Â* This is not real life.

If it's not real life then what on earth is it?

Whatever it is you get from Bwuthie's slurping is not genuine nor
positive in terms of RFC as a whole.

In essence you treat him like a common criminal that gets a pass for
simply not mugging _you_!

On 10/28/2017 9:18 AM, Gary wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> I repeat, if anyone speaks nicely to me, I respond. This is not real life.
>
> Wrong. RFC *is* real life with real people and real feelings.
>

Thank you.

And when one stands by and welcomes a mugger back with open arms the
behaviour is reinforced, period.

On 10/28/2017 9:22 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 11:17:28 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> I repeat, if anyone speaks nicely to me, I respond. This is not real life.
>>
>> Wrong. RFC *is* real life with real people and real feelings.
>
> Oddly enough, being trash-talked on Usenet is nothing to me. It's
> quite a bit different in person. Probably something to do with the
> way my brain processes the written word.
>
> I can't say I've never had my feelings hurt online, but it's much
> milder than if I'd heard those words face to face.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Which only delineates the separation a virtual medium is graced with,
not the intent nor reality of the snark dispensed.

Bwuthie is a hypocritical solipsist asswipe, period.

I would _cherish_ the opportunity to mash his face in mano a mano.

And you and everyone else here knows damned well if he tried his act in
met space that would be the inevitable endgame.

Yeah?

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 11:17:28 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote:
>> >
>> > I repeat, if anyone speaks nicely to me, I respond. This is not real
>> > life.
>>
>> Wrong. RFC *is* real life with real people and real feelings.
>
> Oddly enough, being trash-talked on Usenet is nothing to me. It's
> quite a bit different in person. Probably something to do with the
> way my brain processes the written word.
>
> I can't say I've never had my feelings hurt online, but it's much
> milder than if I'd heard those words face to face.
>
> Cindy Hamilton


I agree. Usenet means nothing to me as far as hurt feelings go and every day
is a new day.

Cheri

"Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
news
> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>
>>
>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you, is
>>> not
>>> my business or my fault.
>>
>> Same here.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>
> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe harbor.


Oh well, every day is a new day to me.

Cheri

"Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
news
> On 10/28/2017 9:18 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> I repeat, if anyone speaks nicely to me, I respond. This is not real
>>> life.
>>
>> Wrong. RFC *is* real life with real people and real feelings.
>>
>
> Thank you.
>
> And when one stands by and welcomes a mugger back with open arms the
> behaviour is reinforced, period.


Everyone should choose for themselves how they post, no need for others to
involve themselves IMO.

Cheri

On 10/28/2017 9:39 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 11:17:28 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I repeat, if anyone speaks nicely to me, I respond.* This is not
>>> real > life.
>>>
>>> Wrong. RFC *is* real life with real people and real feelings.
>>
>> Oddly enough, being trash-talked on Usenet is nothing to me.* It's
>> quite a bit different in person.* Probably something to do with the
>> way my brain processes the written word.
>>
>> I can't say I've never had my feelings hurt online, but it's much
>> milder than if I'd heard those words face to face.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>
> I agree. Usenet means nothing to me as far as hurt feelings go and every
> day is a new day.
>
> Cheri

A laudable detachment which in essence belies the actual damage done by
trolls to others.

EG - Sqwerty and Omelet.

Who's left?

And who got burned?

Ipso facto.

On 10/28/2017 9:41 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>>
>>>
>>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you,
>>>> is not
>>>> my business or my fault.
>>>
>>> Same here.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>>
>> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe harbor.
>
>
> Oh well, every day is a new day to me.
>
> Cheri


And to view it only through your perception instantly denies the reality
others may have.

Sqwerty may be only an RFC gag to you, but to Omelet he was the genesis
of her departure from uselessnet.

So in reality others ARE hurt by trolls like him and Bwuthie.

If we stand by and mutely watch a mugging we're not physically culpable,
but we surrender our social contract to criminals.

EG:

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/10/27/knockout-game/

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — There were warnings Friday about a possible
upsurge in knockout attacks in which people are sucker punched for no
good reason.

Video of one such incident shows a woman being suddenly kicked and then
punched by a man. She was knocked out cold on the ground, but rather
than help her several people took out phones to take pictures.

Nobody called the police.

It happened in Pittsburgh more than a month ago, and something similar
happened in Brooklyn on Thursday night.

“As he went to tie up his dogs to confront these kids, the group
distracted him from the front and then one came up behind him and hit
him in the head,” a witness said.

The witness who asked not to be identified, said a group of teens
leaving a Shake Shack in DUMBO singled out a 43-year-old man walking his
dogs.

They tossed water and milkshakes at him before delivering a knockout
punch to his jaw.

What happened next was even more disturbing.

“One boy ran up and crouched down and posed for a photo next to the guy
that was passed out and then the rest of the group just kind of ran off
and scattered,” the man said.

Witnesses said the victim lay unconscious for some 45 minutes, but in
this case bystanders did step in to help.

Another similar incident happened last month in Manhattan.

Police are looking for three men wanted for the knock out style attack
that happened on Essex Street on the Lower East Side. It left a
53-year-old woman with a swollen and bleeding face.

With no arrests yet in either case, people are worried.

“The police last night were telling me that this group of kids, it was
the second time they had done it last night, and this seems to be this
ongoing contest or trend amongst these teens,” one person said.

On 10/28/2017 9:42 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 10/28/2017 9:18 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I repeat, if anyone speaks nicely to me, I respond.* This is not
>>>> real life.
>>>
>>> Wrong. RFC *is* real life with real people and real feelings.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> And when one stands by and welcomes a mugger back with open arms the
>> behaviour is reinforced, period.
>
>
> Everyone should choose for themselves how they post, no need for others
> to involve themselves IMO.
>
> Cheri


So behaviour like THIS is also acceptable?

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/10/27/knockout-game/

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — There were warnings Friday about a possible
upsurge in knockout attacks in which people are sucker punched for no
good reason.

Video of one such incident shows a woman being suddenly kicked and then
punched by a man. She was knocked out cold on the ground, but rather
than help her several people took out phones to take pictures.

Nobody called the police.

It happened in Pittsburgh more than a month ago, and something similar
happened in Brooklyn on Thursday night.

“As he went to tie up his dogs to confront these kids, the group
distracted him from the front and then one came up behind him and hit
him in the head,” a witness said.

The witness who asked not to be identified, said a group of teens
leaving a Shake Shack in DUMBO singled out a 43-year-old man walking his
dogs.

They tossed water and milkshakes at him before delivering a knockout
punch to his jaw.

What happened next was even more disturbing.

“One boy ran up and crouched down and posed for a photo next to the guy
that was passed out and then the rest of the group just kind of ran off
and scattered,” the man said.

Witnesses said the victim lay unconscious for some 45 minutes, but in
this case bystanders did step in to help.

Another similar incident happened last month in Manhattan.

Police are looking for three men wanted for the knock out style attack
that happened on Essex Street on the Lower East Side. It left a
53-year-old woman with a swollen and bleeding face.

With no arrests yet in either case, people are worried.

“The police last night were telling me that this group of kids, it was
the second time they had done it last night, and this seems to be this
ongoing contest or trend amongst these teens,” one person said.


---that's the real physical world analog to the RFC bully/knockdown
culture----

"Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
news
> On 10/28/2017 9:41 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you, is
>>>>> not
>>>>> my business or my fault.
>>>>
>>>> Same here.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe harbor.
>>
>>
>> Oh well, every day is a new day to me.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>
> And to view it only through your perception instantly denies the reality
> others may have.

I can't count how many times other posters have admonished me for responding
to you, but I will respond to whom I choose to respond to and others should
do the same. Others are responsible for their own reality on Usenet, to me
Usenet, Twitter, etc. is not real life, thankfully. I doubt that most of the
posters would say the things they say if they were sitting in the same room
with other posters, at least I hope they wouldn't.

Cheri

On 10/28/2017 10:03 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 10/28/2017 9:41 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to
>>>>>> you, is not
>>>>>> my business or my fault.
>>>>>
>>>>> Same here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe harbor.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh well, every day is a new day to me.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>>
>> And to view it only through your perception instantly denies the
>> reality others may have.
>
> I can't count how many times other posters have admonished me for
> responding to you, but I will respond to whom I choose to respond to and
> others should do the same. Others are responsible for their own reality
> on Usenet, to me Usenet, Twitter, etc. is not real life, thankfully. I
> doubt that most of the posters would say the things they say if they
> were sitting in the same room with other posters, at least I hope they
> wouldn't.
>
> Cheri

And that is the nexus of my "ass kicking" analogy here.

In real life Bwuthie would be swiftly laid to the floor and perhaps not
helped back up.

Not by me anyway.

But if this is all "for pretends" or non-real then my admonishment to
him to "die now" is little more than a sight gag, yes?

And my promise to mash his ****ing face in is no more than a
continent-away wish list.

And that point is physically inarguable as he remains safe and
un-chastened for his endless snark here.

But I have incontrovertibly proven that bullying has real consequences,
and it wouldn't take me a parsec to cite numerous instances of teen
suicides due to Foolsbook bullying either, now would it?

So really there IS a consequence to cyber-bullying and you can not
realistically deny it:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-himself.html

http://abcnews.go.com/US/parents-all...ry?id=20583537

http://www.medicalbag.com/grey-matte...rticle/472342/

Suicide is the third leading cause of death among young people in the
US, occurring about 4400 times per year. Only car accidents and
homicides kill more American youths. Over 14% of high school students
have considered suicide, and nearly 7% have attempted it. Recent news
stories have generated interest in the strong link between bullying and
suicide, and for good reason. Nearly 30% of students are either bullies
or victims of bullying, and 160,000 stay home from school every day
because of their fear of being bullied. According to studies by Yale
University, bullying victims are between 2 to 9 times more likely to
consider suicide than non-victims. And a study in the UK found that
bullying was a factor in more than half of suicides among young people.
Whereas bullying used to occur mostly in the classroom or on the
playground, social media have opened up a whole new arena for the ugly
practice. A poll conducted in 24 countries and published in 2012 found
that 12% of parents reported their child had experienced cyberbullying.
One in 4 parents said they knew a child in their community who
experienced cyberbullying, and of those, 60% said the children
experienced the harassment on social networking sites such as Facebook.
A Consumer Reports survey conducted in the US in 2011 found that 1
million children over the previous year had been harassed, threatened,
or subjected to other forms of cyberbullying on Facebook.
The most common forms of cyberbullying include mean or hurtful comments
and rumors or photos that are spread online, and adolescent girls appear
to bear the brunt of it. We've all read or heard about instances of
teens committing suicide due to online harassment, but it's distressing
to learn the number of these stories that are out there, and just how
much they have in common. Here are just a handful of instances, with
common threads noted. Please note that no disrespect is intended by the
severely abbreviated descriptions of the lives of these children who
have been lost.
Key:
* Harassment/Threats received online.
€* Nude pictures/videos distributed.
€¡ Homosexuality.
§ Accusations of sexual proclivity (almost always "slut" or "whore").
€– Coincident bullying at school.
Jessica Logan: Ex-boyfriend sends nude photo of her to everyone at their
high school, leading to cruel harassment for months by classmates. Two
months after Jessica tells her story on a Cincinnati television station,
her mother finds the 18 year old hanged in her closet.*€*§€–
Tyler Clementi: Rutgers University freshman jumps off the George
Washington Bridge after a video secretly recorded by his roommate was
streamed over the Internet showing a sexual encounter he had with a man
in his dorm room.€*€¡
Ryan Halligan:13-year-old boy kills himself after being ridiculed by
peers at school and online. A long-time bully had spread rumors online
that he was ***.*€¡ €–
Rachael Neblett: 17-year-old girl receives threatening emails through
her MySpace account. After reading one that said, "I am not going to put
you in the hospital, I am going to put you in the morgue," she takes her
own life.*
Audrie Pott: California girl hangs herself 8 days after being allegedly
assaulted by 3 boys. Pictures of the attack, during which she is said to
have been intoxicated and unconscious, were posted online and shared
among her high school classmates.*€*§
Sarah Lynn Butler: 7th grader hangs herself after being teased at school
and receiving bullying messages on her MySpace page.*§€–
Hope Witsell: 13-year-old girl forwards nude photo of herself to her
boyfriend. Another student finds it and forwards it to other classmates,
resulting in taunting and bullying from her peers. A school counselor
observed cuts on Hope's legs and had her sign a "no-harm" contract, in
which Hope agreed to tell an adult if she felt inclined to hurt herself.
The next day, Hope hangs herself in her bedroom.*€*§€–
Phoebe Prince: 15-year-old Irish immigrant hangs herself after getting
cyberbullied and accused of being a slut on Twitter, Craigslist,
Facebook, and Formspring because she has impending date to a school
dance with a senior on the football team. Incredibly, the hurtful
messages continued on a Facebook page after her death.*§
Eden Wormer: After enduring 2 years of bullying by her female
classmates, the 14-year-old girl hangs herself. Eden had changed her
appearance multiple times to fit in with her peers, and she begged her
older sister not to report the bullying because she thought it would
only make the problem worse. A month before her suicide, Eden wrote on
her Facebook page, ""omg im such a loner i dont have a valentines n the
only thing im celebrating valentines day with is my bummble bee pillow
pet. like this iff u hhave no valentines too or iff u wanna be my
valentine. ." After her death, a friend wrote on Eden's Facebook page,
"I wish it didn't take people this long to realize how beautiful you are
and how unique you are. You are the sweetest girl in the world. I wish
you knew you didn't have to fit in. It's good to stand out."
Grace McComas: High school sophomore kills herself due to a months-long
campaign of cyberbullying.*
Kenneth Weishuhn Jr: *** high school freshman takes his own life after
classmates bully him at school and online, and make death threats by
phone. The bullying started after
Kenneth came out to classmates, who responded by creating an anti-***
Facebook page.*€¡
Megan Meier: 13-year-old girl receives multiple bullying messages from
the MySpace account of "Josh," a 16-year-old boy she met online. Some of
Megan's messages were shared with others, and there were numerous
bulletins posted that ridiculed her. The final message from "Josh" said,
"Everybody in O'Fallon knows who you are. You are a bad person and
everybody hates you. Have a shitty rest of your life. The world would be
a better place without you." Meier responded, "You're the kind of boy a
girl would kill herself over." Her body was found 20 minutes later in
her bedroom closet, hanging from a belt.
It was later revealed that the mother of one of Megan's friends, a girl
who Megan had allegedly been spreading gossip about, had created the
"Josh" account to use Megan's messages to obtain information about her
and later humiliate her, in retribution for the gossiping. The friend's
mother was convicted of violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.
Her conviction was reversed on appeal.*§€–
Amanda Todd:In 7th grade, Amanda met a man in an online chat room who
convinced her to flash him her breasts. He later contacted her on
Facebook and threatened to release the photo if she did not "put on a
show" for him. Two years later, the police told her that the man had
circulated the picture of her online, and she experienced severe
anxiety, depression, and panic disorder due to the ensuing teasing from
classmates. Her family was forced to move, and she began using drugs and
alcohol.
The next year, the man resurfaced and created a Facebook page, with
Amanda's topless photo as his profile image. The teasing and bullying at
school and online began again. She changed schools a second time, but
girls from her first school showed up and attacked her, and beat her to
the ground while others filmed it. Following the attack, Amanda tried to
commit suicide by drinking bleach. After returning from the hospital,
Amanda discovered abusive Facebook messages about her suicide attempt.
Once again, she moved to a new city, but the bullying started anew, as
did further abusive messages on social networking sites. Her depression
and anxiety continued despite therapy and antidepressants, and she began
to self-mutilate and attempted suicide again.
According to her mother, "Every time she moved schools he would go
undercover and become a Facebook friend. What the guy did was he went
online to the kids who went to (the new school) and said that he was
going to be a new student-that he was starting school the following week
and that he wanted some friends and could they friend him on Facebook.
He eventually gathered people's names and sent Amanda's video to her new
school."
Amanda's body was found hanged at her home in British Columbia on
October 10, 2012.*€*§€–
In the past, a bully pushed you off the swing, or maybe spread lies
about you around school. But you knew who that bully was, and you knew
that you could confront the person. Maybe you tried to reason with the
bully, or maybe you screwed up your courage and punched the bully in the
nose. Or maybe, your mom told you to just ignore anyone who bullies you.
Part of growing up involves learning how to interact with peers,
including and especially the ones who are jerks. But social media have
provided a new forum where the technology allows bullies to anonymously
harass classmates, and spread rumors, private data, photos, and videos
to millions of potential viewers with little or no consequence. Having
your head shoved in the toilet in front of a few peers is one thing.
Having nude photos of yourself available for all humanity to view is
quite another.
Fortunately, efforts are underway locally and nationally to combat the
epidemic of bullying through legislation, both in the real world and
online. Social networking sites have started to implement measures to
identify bullying, and Facebook has begun multiple programs, including
partnering with the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline to help users
to confront suicide and suicidal thoughts, as well as attempt to detect
early warning signs of at-risk users. In addition, they are providing
suicide prevention researchers a view into the online lives of the last
days of those who have committed suicide. These are prudent steps, but
more importantly, an open, honest, and ongoing discussion of bullying
must be sustained in our schools, our homes, and particularly by social
networking sites that provide the forums for these acts of aggression.
Note:
At the date of this writing, in Italy, prosecutors are investigating why
Facebook allowed vicious insulting posts considered to be
"bullying-posts" to be published on the world's largest social media
site. Italian authorities are currently considering suing Facebook
because the company did not remove the posts that led directly to the
suicide of 14-year-old Carolina Picchio of Novara, Italy. Carolina wrote
on her Facebook page: "Forgive me if I am not strong. I cannot take it
any longer." Shortly afterward, she took her own life by jumping out of
her four-story-high bedroom window.
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https://www.facebook.com/bullying.suicide.prevention2


I submit that I have 100% proven my thesis and that letting a bully run
free is as socially irresponsible as taking a selfie of a knockout
victim and walking on home.

"Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
news
> On 10/28/2017 10:03 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 10/28/2017 9:41 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you,
>>>>>>> is not
>>>>>>> my business or my fault.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe
>>>>> harbor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh well, every day is a new day to me.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>> And to view it only through your perception instantly denies the reality
>>> others may have.
>>
>> I can't count how many times other posters have admonished me for
>> responding to you, but I will respond to whom I choose to respond to and
>> others should do the same. Others are responsible for their own reality
>> on Usenet, to me Usenet, Twitter, etc. is not real life, thankfully. I
>> doubt that most of the posters would say the things they say if they were
>> sitting in the same room with other posters, at least I hope they
>> wouldn't.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> And that is the nexus of my "ass kicking" analogy here.
>
> In real life Bwuthie would be swiftly laid to the floor and perhaps not
> helped back up.

Usenet is not real life, and I doubt that he would be swiftly laid to the
floor in real life either, for what? At any rate, we will agree to disagree
and leave it at that, no trying to bully others into a certain way of
posting works too.

Cheri

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 11:17:28 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > I repeat, if anyone speaks nicely to me, I respond. This is not real
> > life.
>
> Wrong. RFC *is* real life with real people and real feelings.

Oddly enough, being trash-talked on Usenet is nothing to me. It's
quite a bit different in person. Probably something to do with the
way my brain processes the written word.

I can't say I've never had my feelings hurt online, but it's much
milder than if I'd heard those words face to face.

Cindy Hamilton

==

Yes, I agree.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Casa de los peregrinos" wrote in message
news
On 10/28/2017 7:26 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> !"Bruce" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 11:55:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> The way others speak to you, is not my business or my fault.
>
>
>
> ==
>
> Do you disagree? Am I to blame for what other people post?
>
> Am I supposed to fight anyone who posts nasty stuff to you? I have enough
> problems defending myself and I don't see you defending me!
>
> Yes, I hate the way others post, but I can't change that, nor am I
> responsible for it.
>
> I repeat, if anyone speaks nicely to me, I respond. This is not real
> life.

If it's not real life then what on earth is it?

Whatever it is you get from Bwuthie's slurping is not genuine nor
positive in terms of RFC as a whole.

In essence you treat him like a common criminal that gets a pass for
simply not mugging _you_!

==

I disagree. I could say exactly the same for they way you constantly attack
him.

He never threatens you with death.

Sigh I promised I wouldn't get involved with this stuff.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Casa de los peregrinos" wrote in message
news
On 10/28/2017 4:55 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 21:47:10 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 16:43:03 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 11:04:29 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fawning over me? LOL he is hardly nice to me!!!
>>>
>>> Quoi? I thought I was
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Pfff rarely. Occasionally you are downright nasty. Just thank your
>>> lucky
>>> stars I am not a mean old soul!
>>
>> I'm not nasty. But if you already call me downright nasty, you must
>> really hate the Boner troll. Oh no wait, that's your buddy. Amazing
>> how you juggle those double standards.
>>
>> ==
>>
>> So, I have you complaining that I don't call out Casa. I have him
>> complaining I don't call out you!
>>
>> Something for you to think on.
>
> I don't throw around death wishes, I don't call women ****s etc etc.
> The list goes on. If you can't see that difference, there's something
> really wrong with you.
>
> ==
>
> Why am I the judge here? I will speak to whomever I wish ... or not as
> the
> case may be. I have always said as much so what is new?
>
> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you, is
> not
> my business or my fault.
>

But by granting him safe harbor even though he flames everyone here you
DO bear some onus for his endless snark.

==

And do I bear the same for yours?



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Casa de los peregrinos" wrote in message
news
On 10/28/2017 5:01 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 11:55:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> The way others speak to you, is not my business or my fault.
>
>
>

Make some crocodile tears, you intolerable phony!@


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<_ ( () ) > ( <_ ( () ) >
`-:__;,-' \ `A:__:,-'
\ / \
(( )
\-'
\
\
( )
`-'"`-----'

==

is all this really necessary?


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
news
> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>
>>
>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you, is
>>> not
>>> my business or my fault.
>>
>> Same here.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>
> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe harbor.


Oh well, every day is a new day to me.

Cheri


==

Just as well. Sometimes it feels here as it did a few years back in another
group. I am trying to keep out of it and some constantly try to drag me in.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
news
> On 10/28/2017 9:41 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you, is
>>>>> not
>>>>> my business or my fault.
>>>>
>>>> Same here.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe harbor.
>>
>>
>> Oh well, every day is a new day to me.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>
> And to view it only through your perception instantly denies the reality
> others may have.

I can't count how many times other posters have admonished me for responding
to you, but I will respond to whom I choose to respond to and others should
do the same. Others are responsible for their own reality on Usenet, to me
Usenet, Twitter, etc. is not real life, thankfully. I doubt that most of the
posters would say the things they say if they were sitting in the same room
with other posters, at least I hope they wouldn't.

Cheri

==

Yes.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
news
> On 10/28/2017 10:03 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 10/28/2017 9:41 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you,
>>>>>>> is not
>>>>>>> my business or my fault.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe
>>>>> harbor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh well, every day is a new day to me.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>> And to view it only through your perception instantly denies the reality
>>> others may have.
>>
>> I can't count how many times other posters have admonished me for
>> responding to you, but I will respond to whom I choose to respond to and
>> others should do the same. Others are responsible for their own reality
>> on Usenet, to me Usenet, Twitter, etc. is not real life, thankfully. I
>> doubt that most of the posters would say the things they say if they were
>> sitting in the same room with other posters, at least I hope they
>> wouldn't.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> And that is the nexus of my "ass kicking" analogy here.
>
> In real life Bwuthie would be swiftly laid to the floor and perhaps not
> helped back up.

Usenet is not real life, and I doubt that he would be swiftly laid to the
floor in real life either, for what? At any rate, we will agree to disagree
and leave it at that, no trying to bully others into a certain way of
posting works too.

Cheri

==

Thanks, Cheri. I was beginning to feel bullied.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>>
>>>
>>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you, is
>>>> not
>>>> my business or my fault.
>>>
>>> Same here.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>>
>> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe harbor.
>
>
> Oh well, every day is a new day to me.
>
> Cheri
>
>
> ==
>
> Just as well. Sometimes it feels here as it did a few years back in
> another group. I am trying to keep out of it and some constantly try to
> drag me in.

Which in it's own way is bullying.

Cheri

On 10/28/2017 10:40 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 10/28/2017 10:03 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 10/28/2017 9:41 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to
>>>>>>>> you, is not
>>>>>>>> my business or my fault.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Same here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe
>>>>>> harbor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh well, every day is a new day to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And to view it only through your perception instantly denies the
>>>> reality others may have.
>>>
>>> I can't count how many times other posters have admonished me for
>>> responding to you, but I will respond to whom I choose to respond to
>>> and others should do the same. Others are responsible for their own
>>> reality on Usenet, to me Usenet, Twitter, etc. is not real life,
>>> thankfully. I doubt that most of the posters would say the things
>>> they say if they were sitting in the same room with other posters, at
>>> least I hope they wouldn't.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> And that is the nexus of my "ass kicking" analogy here.
>>
>> In real life Bwuthie would be swiftly laid to the floor and perhaps
>> not helped back up.
>
> Usenet is not real life,

But Foolsbook is?

And the FB bullying suicides were not "real life"?

Really?


> and I doubt that he would be swiftly laid to
> the floor in real life either, for what?

For being an antisocial snark machine.

And yeah, I'd give him a warning and then drop him like a sack of
taters, really.

>* At any rate, we will agree to
> disagree and leave it at that,

Of course.

> no trying to bully others into a certain
> way of posting works too.
>
> Cheri

But this isn't "real life" so when I propose various remedies there's
nothing to stress over, yes?

I mean posting his home addy. and phone # here would just be lark, a
virtual "so what", yes?

I mean no one in Auztardia would possibly take him to meat space for a
real smackdown, would they?

On 10/28/2017 10:46 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton"Â* wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 11:17:28 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote:
>> >
>> > I repeat, if anyone speaks nicely to me, I respond.Â* This is not
>> real > life.
>>
>> Wrong. RFC *is* real life with real people and real feelings.
>
> Oddly enough, being trash-talked on Usenet is nothing to me.Â* It's
> quite a bit different in person.Â* Probably something to do with the
> way my brain processes the written word.
>
> I can't say I've never had my feelings hurt online, but it's much
> milder than if I'd heard those words face to face.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
> ==
>
> Yes, I agree.
>

And the kids who chose suicide after Foolsbook bullying aren't really dead?

On 10/28/2017 10:50 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Casa de los peregrinos"Â* wrote in message
> news >
> On 10/28/2017 7:26 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> !"Bruce"Â* wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 11:55:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The way others speak to you, is not my business or my fault.
>>
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Do you disagree?Â* Am I to blame for what other people post?
>>
>> Am I supposed to fight anyone who posts nasty stuff to you?Â* I have
>> enough problems defending myself and I don't see you defending me!
>>
>> Yes, I hate the way others post, but I can't change that, nor am I
>> responsible for it.
>>
>> I repeat, if anyone speaks nicely to me, I respond.Â* This is not real
>> life.
>
> If it's not real life then what on earth is it?
>
> Whatever it is you get from Bwuthie's slurping is not genuine nor
> positive in terms of RFC as a whole.
>
> In essence you treat him like a common criminal that gets a pass for
> simply not mugging _you_!
>
> ==
>
> I disagree.

I know.

> I could say exactly the same for they way you constantly
> attack him.

Who initiated the bullying here, me or he?

> He never threatens you with death.

So?

He has never been made actually accountable for his actions yet, has he?

> Sigh I promised I wouldn't get involved with this stuff.

No worries, it's not "real life" anyway...

;-))

On 10/28/2017 10:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Casa de los peregrinos"Â* wrote in message
> news >
> On 10/28/2017 4:55 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Bruce"Â* wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 21:47:10 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Bruce"Â* wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 16:43:03 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Bruce"Â* wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 11:04:29 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fawning over me?Â* LOL he is hardly nice to me!!!
>>>>
>>>> Quoi? I thought I was
>>>>
>>>> ==
>>>>
>>>> Pfff rarely.Â* Occasionally you are downright nasty.Â* Just thank your
>>>> lucky
>>>> stars I am not a mean old soul!
>>>
>>> I'm not nasty. But if you already call me downright nasty, you must
>>> really hate the Boner troll. Oh no wait, that's your buddy. Amazing
>>> how you juggle those double standards.
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> So, I have you complaining that I don't call out Casa.Â* I have him
>>> complaining I don't call out you!
>>>
>>> Something for you to think on.
>>
>> I don't throw around death wishes, I don't call women ****s etc etc.
>> The list goes on. If you can't see that difference, there's something
>> really wrong with you.
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Why am I the judge here?Â* I will speak to whomever I wish ... or not
>> as the
>> case may be.Â* I have always said as much so what is new?
>>
>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond.Â* The way others speak to you,
>> is not
>> my business or my fault.
>>
>
> But by granting him safe harbor even though he flames everyone here you
> DO bear some onus for his endless snark.
>
> ==
>
> And do I bear the same for yours?

Of course, you could bin me straight off and claim immunity from my
ongoing retaliations here.

But they are, as the record shows, just that - retaliations.

For...bullying!

See how that works?

On 10/28/2017 10:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Casa de los peregrinos"Â* wrote in message
> news >
> On 10/28/2017 5:01 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 11:55:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The way others speak to you, is not my business or my fault.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Make some crocodile tears, you intolerable phony!@
>
>
> Â*Â*Â* ____Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ____
> Â* _,',--.`-.Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* _,',--.`-.
> Â*<_ ( () )Â* >Â* ( <_ ( () )Â* >
> Â*Â* `-:__;,-'Â*Â*Â* \Â* `A:__:,-'
> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* \ / \
> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ((Â* )
> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* \-'
> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* \
> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* \
> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* (Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* )
> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* `-'"`-----'
>
> ==
>
> is all this really necessary?
>
>
Well...as you observed it's not "real life" anyway...

So if I accurately delineate the flaws in his mentality and behaviour
here no one gets hurt, yes?

On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 14:26:33 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>!"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 11:55:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>The way others speak to you, is not my business or my fault.
>
>
>
>==
>
>Do you disagree? Am I to blame for what other people post?
>
>Am I supposed to fight anyone who posts nasty stuff to you? I have enough
>problems defending myself and I don't see you defending me!
>
>Yes, I hate the way others post, but I can't change that, nor am I
>responsible for it.
>
>I repeat, if anyone speaks nicely to me, I respond. This is not real life.

We've been through this. You'd be chummy with Hitler if he greeted you
nicely.

On 10/28/2017 10:53 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cheri"* wrote in message news >
> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>>
>>>
>>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you,
>>>> is not
>>>> my business or my fault.
>>>
>>> Same here.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>>
>> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe harbor.
>
>
> Oh well, every day is a new day to me.
>
> Cheri
>
>
> ==
>
> Just as well.* Sometimes it feels here as it did a few years back in
> another group.* I am trying to keep out of it and some constantly try to
> drag me in.

Well...when you grant safe harbor to a bullying troll there are bound to
be some consequences.

The unfortunate conclusion to be reached is that this group openly and
also tacitly endorses personal bullying and denigration, even feeds off
it in many cases.

No, that's not an accusation (at least the latter portion) pointed at
you personally.

On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 05:50:08 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>
>
>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you, is
>> not
>> my business or my fault.
>
>Same here.

"Same here, Me too, I agree, +1, Exactly!"

We know, Cheri.

On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 17:55:28 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Cheri" wrote in message news >
>"Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>news
>> On 10/28/2017 10:03 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>>
>>>> And to view it only through your perception instantly denies the reality
>>>> others may have.
>>>
>>> I can't count how many times other posters have admonished me for
>>> responding to you, but I will respond to whom I choose to respond to and
>>> others should do the same. Others are responsible for their own reality
>>> on Usenet, to me Usenet, Twitter, etc. is not real life, thankfully. I
>>> doubt that most of the posters would say the things they say if they were
>>> sitting in the same room with other posters, at least I hope they
>>> wouldn't.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> And that is the nexus of my "ass kicking" analogy here.
>>
>> In real life Bwuthie would be swiftly laid to the floor and perhaps not
>> helped back up.
>
>Usenet is not real life, and I doubt that he would be swiftly laid to the
>floor in real life either, for what? At any rate, we will agree to disagree
>and leave it at that, no trying to bully others into a certain way of
>posting works too.
>
>Cheri
>
>==
>
>Thanks, Cheri. I was beginning to feel bullied.

lol wait until you have your troll friend after you.

On 10/28/2017 10:55 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cheri"* wrote in message news >
> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 10/28/2017 10:03 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 10/28/2017 9:41 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to
>>>>>>>> you, is not
>>>>>>>> my business or my fault.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Same here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe
>>>>>> harbor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh well, every day is a new day to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And to view it only through your perception instantly denies the
>>>> reality others may have.
>>>
>>> I can't count how many times other posters have admonished me for
>>> responding to you, but I will respond to whom I choose to respond to
>>> and others should do the same. Others are responsible for their own
>>> reality on Usenet, to me Usenet, Twitter, etc. is not real life,
>>> thankfully. I doubt that most of the posters would say the things
>>> they say if they were sitting in the same room with other posters, at
>>> least I hope they wouldn't.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> And that is the nexus of my "ass kicking" analogy here.
>>
>> In real life Bwuthie would be swiftly laid to the floor and perhaps
>> not helped back up.
>
> Usenet is not real life, and I doubt that he would be swiftly laid to the
> floor in real life either, for what?* At any rate, we will agree to
> disagree
> and leave it at that, no trying to bully others into a certain way of
> posting works too.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> Thanks, Cheri.* I was beginning to feel bullied.
>

You conflate "bullying" with "lobbying".

Certainly you'll not be able to document instances of my bullying you.

That's because what Bwuthie gets is purely retaliatory.

You otoh don't trade in personal snark at all.

Iow, he initiated, I responded.

Same for Sqwerty, who is 100% responsible for poor Omelet's departure
from this group.

Your hands are clean of any ongoing personal pogroms here, even with
vinegar tits, who has always treated you with acid.

But when you play nice with a bully they treat it as a welcome mat for
further campaigns of snark and spite.

Call it a law of unintended consequences if you please.

But once alerted (several times) to the results you have to take some
measure of accountability for your turning away from the damages.

On 10/28/2017 10:57 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Cheri"* wrote in message news >>
>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you,
>>>>> is not
>>>>> my business or my fault.
>>>>
>>>> Same here.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe harbor.
>>
>>
>> Oh well, every day is a new day to me.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Just as well.* Sometimes it feels here as it did a few years back in
>> another group.* I am trying to keep out of it and some constantly try
>> to drag me in.
>
> Which in it's own way is bullying.
>
> Cheri


Please don't conflate mannerly lobbying with outright personal spite and
bullying.

There's a wide disparity between the two.

On 10/28/2017 11:19 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 14:26:33 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> !"Bruce" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 11:55:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The way others speak to you, is not my business or my fault.
>>
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Do you disagree? Am I to blame for what other people post?
>>
>> Am I supposed to fight anyone who posts nasty stuff to you? I have enough
>> problems defending myself and I don't see you defending me!
>>
>> Yes, I hate the way others post, but I can't change that, nor am I
>> responsible for it.
>>
>> I repeat, if anyone speaks nicely to me, I respond. This is not real life.
>
> We've been through this. You'd be chummy with Hitler if he greeted you
> nicely.
>


Oh wow.

Did I goad you into passing fail safe with Ms. O?

My bad...

;-(

On 10/28/2017 11:22 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 05:50:08 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>
>>
>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you, is
>>> not
>>> my business or my fault.
>>
>> Same here.
>
> "Same here, Me too, I agree, +1, Exactly!"
>
> We know, Cheri.
>

Snark it up, shitbag troll.

You cannot keep from proving my point.

On 10/28/2017 11:24 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 17:55:28 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>
>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 10/28/2017 10:03 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>>
>>>>> And to view it only through your perception instantly denies the reality
>>>>> others may have.
>>>>
>>>> I can't count how many times other posters have admonished me for
>>>> responding to you, but I will respond to whom I choose to respond to and
>>>> others should do the same. Others are responsible for their own reality
>>>> on Usenet, to me Usenet, Twitter, etc. is not real life, thankfully. I
>>>> doubt that most of the posters would say the things they say if they were
>>>> sitting in the same room with other posters, at least I hope they
>>>> wouldn't.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> And that is the nexus of my "ass kicking" analogy here.
>>>
>>> In real life Bwuthie would be swiftly laid to the floor and perhaps not
>>> helped back up.
>>
>> Usenet is not real life, and I doubt that he would be swiftly laid to the
>> floor in real life either, for what? At any rate, we will agree to disagree
>> and leave it at that, no trying to bully others into a certain way of
>> posting works too.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Thanks, Cheri. I was beginning to feel bullied.
>
> lol wait until you have your troll friend after you.
>

As always take no accountability for your endless bullying here Bwuthie
dear.

You're as transparent as a flagon of caustic lye, and just as unwelcome.

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>>
>>>
>>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you, is
>>>> not
>>>> my business or my fault.
>>>
>>> Same here.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>>
>> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe harbor.
>
>
> Oh well, every day is a new day to me.
>
> Cheri
>
>
> ==
>
> Just as well. Sometimes it feels here as it did a few years back in
> another group. I am trying to keep out of it and some constantly try to
> drag me in.

Which in it's own way is bullying.

Cheri

==

I guess so. If it continues I won't be reading anything posted by those who
do so.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Casa de los peregrinos" wrote in message
news
On 10/28/2017 10:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Casa de los peregrinos" wrote in message
> news >
> On 10/28/2017 5:01 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 11:55:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The way others speak to you, is not my business or my fault.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Make some crocodile tears, you intolerable phony!@
>
>
> ____ ____
> _,',--.`-. _,',--.`-.
> <_ ( () ) > ( <_ ( () ) >
> `-:__;,-' \ `A:__:,-'
> \ / \
> (( )
> \-'
> \
> \
> ( )
> `-'"`-----'
>
> ==
>
> is all this really necessary?
>
>
Well...as you observed it's not "real life" anyway...

So if I accurately delineate the flaws in his mentality and behaviour
here no one gets hurt, yes?

==

As you wish.

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http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Casa de los peregrinos" wrote in message
news
On 10/28/2017 10:53 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>>
>>>
>>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you, is
>>>> not
>>>> my business or my fault.
>>>
>>> Same here.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>>
>> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe harbor.
>
>
> Oh well, every day is a new day to me.
>
> Cheri
>
>
> ==
>
> Just as well. Sometimes it feels here as it did a few years back in
> another group. I am trying to keep out of it and some constantly try to
> drag me in.

Well...when you grant safe harbor to a bullying troll there are bound to
be some consequences.

The unfortunate conclusion to be reached is that this group openly and
also tacitly endorses personal bullying and denigration, even feeds off
it in many cases.

No, that's not an accusation (at least the latter portion) pointed at
you personally.

==

Oh I think it is and I refuse to take it any more. I am not responsible for
what you or anyone else does here.

You will not stop me from responding to anyone I wish. If you don't like
that then please bin me.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 10/28/2017 12:08 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cheri"* wrote in message news >
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Cheri"* wrote in message news >>
>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you, is
>>>>> not
>>>>> my business or my fault.
>>>>
>>>> Same here.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe harbor.
>>
>>
>> Oh well, every day is a new day to me.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Just as well.* Sometimes it feels here as it did a few years back in
>> another group.* I am trying to keep out of it and some constantly try to
>> drag me in.
>
> Which in it's own way is bullying.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> I guess so.* If it continues I won't be reading anything posted by those
> who
> do so.

So let me be clear on this.

If I (in a most mannerly tone) present evidence of RCF bullying and ask
that you stop granting safe harbor to it's leading proponent here you
will cease reading anything posted by me?

I just need to be unambiguous as to what the consequences are of
explaining a problem and then politely proposing a solution.

?

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 17:55:28 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Cheri" wrote in message news >
>"Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>news
>> On 10/28/2017 10:03 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>>
>>>> And to view it only through your perception instantly denies the
>>>> reality
>>>> others may have.
>>>
>>> I can't count how many times other posters have admonished me for
>>> responding to you, but I will respond to whom I choose to respond to and
>>> others should do the same. Others are responsible for their own reality
>>> on Usenet, to me Usenet, Twitter, etc. is not real life, thankfully. I
>>> doubt that most of the posters would say the things they say if they
>>> were
>>> sitting in the same room with other posters, at least I hope they
>>> wouldn't.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> And that is the nexus of my "ass kicking" analogy here.
>>
>> In real life Bwuthie would be swiftly laid to the floor and perhaps not
>> helped back up.
>
>Usenet is not real life, and I doubt that he would be swiftly laid to the
>floor in real life either, for what? At any rate, we will agree to
>disagree
>and leave it at that, no trying to bully others into a certain way of
>posting works too.
>
>Cheri
>
>==
>
>Thanks, Cheri. I was beginning to feel bullied.

lol wait until you have your troll friend after you.

==

Friend? I have only a couple of friends here, and neither of them treat me
the way I am being treated here.



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On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 19:08:10 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Cheri" wrote in message news >
>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>
>> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 10/28/2017 6:50 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message speaking to Bruce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Speak to me nicely and I will respond. The way others speak to you, is
>>>>> not
>>>>> my business or my fault.
>>>>
>>>> Same here.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>> Which leaves Bwuthie's snark machine up, running, and with safe harbor.
>>
>>
>> Oh well, every day is a new day to me.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Just as well. Sometimes it feels here as it did a few years back in
>> another group. I am trying to keep out of it and some constantly try to
>> drag me in.
>
>Which in it's own way is bullying.
>
>Cheri
>
>==
>
>I guess so. If it continues I won't be reading anything posted by those who
>do so.

It's interesting to see that you're so sensitive to bullying yet so
chummy with the one and only big bully in this group. As long as it
doesn't affect you, right? D o u b l e s t a n d a r d s.