"FERRANTE" > wrote in message
...
<snip>

"and according to neighbors seemed like a normal guy."

<more snip>

"Seemed" being the operative word...

From MSNBC.com.

"Smith has been arrested at least 13 times in Florida since 1993, according
to state records. He was arrested in 1997 in Manatee County on kidnapping
and false imprisonment charges, but was acquitted a year later.

Smith served 17 months in prison for heroin possession and prescription drug
fraud and was released in 2003. He was arrested eight days later on the
cocaine possession charge and was placed on probation for three years.
In 1998, he was acquitted of kidnapping and false imprisonment of a
20-year-old woman. She told deputies that 'he got on top of me and told me
to shut up or he would cut me.'

Smith called it a misunderstanding.

'He testified he believed the woman was going to try to harm herself by
throwing herself into traffic,' said prosecutor Brian Iten, who said the
acquittal surprised him. 'He said she misinterpreted his actions because of
his tattoos.'

Normal? Hardly. Should have been off the street long ago? Most likely.

'Tis a shame the way the world seems to be headed.

Jason

Jason Tinling wrote:
> "FERRANTE" > wrote in message
> ...
> <snip>
>
> "and according to neighbors seemed like a normal guy."
>
> <more snip>
>
> "Seemed" being the operative word...
>
Yeah, I hear Ted Bundy was a genuinely nice guy, and everyone thought
Jeffrey Dahmer was a good neighbor.

Jill

>"Jason Tinling" boasted:
>
>'Tis a shame the way the world seems to be headed.

Yeah, more and more smarmy douche bags like you... a sneaky snake who would
remove the "OT" from the Subject line. You NEWBIE piece of shit!
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Sheldon
````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."

"FERRANTE" > wrote in message
...
> I am really bummed out. I could not believe it when my dad told me
> this a.m. that they found the little girl's body who had been
> abducted. I had hoped so much that they would find her alive. I don't
> know how they will do it, but I pray that her family and friends make
> it through this.
>
> I also feel sorry for the family of the man who did this. I have not
> watched the news yet, but I was told he had kids, wife, and according
> to neighbors seemed like a normal guy. Just imagine what his kids and
> wife will have to endure. I also hope that people don't fault them
> for what the father did (imagine kids in school). That ******* only
> thought of himself, and thank God that camera was where it was.
>
> Mark Anthony Ferrante

I believe this person (man) should be granted a fair and speedy trial - like
this week and any sentence performed within one week of a conviction (in
Public).

Dimitri

"PENMART01" > wrote his usual

Sheldon, relax, go pet your cats. Plow the back 40, something.

Although I feel a bit slighted, it's taken this many years for you to
*notice* me. Shall I class Dimitri in with me in the newbie camp who's
newsreaders remove the OT in replies?

Muchos besos,
Jason

"Dimitri" > wrote in message news:%_OUb.32374
>
> I believe this person (man) should be granted a fair and speedy trial -
like
> this week and any sentence performed within one week of a conviction (in
> Public).

This is the type of case where you could make a legitimate argument for such
a policy. They have him on video abducting, they have hard evidential link
between the girl and his car, they have the body, and if they now establish
a DNA link, then I could support an accelerated process. Punishment would,
IMO, serve more effectively as deterrent if administered while the event is
still in the news.

Dimitri wrote:
> I believe this person (man) should be granted a fair and speedy trial
> - like this week and any sentence performed within one week of a
> conviction (in Public).

While the man is obviously guilty, he deserves all the rights that any
other U.S. citizen has -- the right to a fair trial, right to appeal,
right to humane treatment, et al.

More importantly, any capital or otherwise irreversible punishment needs
to be delayed for appeals, uncovering new evidence, etc. Once you flip
the switch, there is no going back.

--
John Gaughan
http://www.johngaughan.net/

>"John Gaquin"
>
>"Dimitri" wrote:
>>
>> I believe this person (man) should be granted a fair and speedy trial -
>like
>> this week and any sentence performed within one week of a conviction (in
>> Public).
>
>This is the type of case where you could make a legitimate argument for such
>a policy. They have him on video abducting, they have hard evidential link
>between the girl and his car, they have the body, and if they now establish
>a DNA link, then I could support an accelerated process. Punishment would,
>IMO, serve more effectively as deterrent if administered while the event is
>still in the news.

And then again druggie scum like that may very well be found non compos
mentis... and with that feral beast's rap sheet ya gotta kinda lay a big old
chunk of blame on the State of Florida judicial system.

Executing that worthless ******* will make lots of folks feel better for the
moment yet nothing will bring that child back... but somehow Florida's
red-necked black-robed douche bags need punishment too... they are no less
guilty, and in fact they are more guilty... monumental societal changes are
necessary if such horrendous deeds are to be significantly curtailed, obviously
the death penalty is not it, that's tantamount to uncracking eggs.


---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
Sheldon
````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."

"John Gaughan" > wrote in message
...
>
> While the man is obviously guilty, he deserves all the rights that any
> other U.S. citizen has -- the right to a fair trial, right to appeal,
> right to humane treatment, et al.
>
> More importantly, any capital or otherwise irreversible punishment needs
> to be delayed for appeals, uncovering new evidence, etc. Once you flip
> the switch, there is no going back.

Tell that to Carlie.

--
Tank

This Space To Let.

In article >, "John Gaquin"
> wrote:

> "Dimitri" > wrote in message news:%_OUb.32374
> >
> > I believe this person (man) should be granted a fair and speedy trial -
> like
> > this week and any sentence performed within one week of a conviction (in
> > Public).
>
> This is the type of case where you could make a legitimate argument for such
> a policy. They have him on video abducting, they have hard evidential link
> between the girl and his car, they have the body, and if they now establish
> a DNA link, then I could support an accelerated process. Punishment would,
> IMO, serve more effectively as deterrent if administered while the event is
> still in the news.


This is a lynch mob mentality. The legal system moves very slowly for
good reason. Once you circumvent the procedures designed to protect the
innocent, then who gets to decide when it's OK to do this and when it
isn't? I sure don't want to be the victim of a capricious legal system.


You can't bring the girl back. There can be no justice in lynching the
guy. It's not easy to do the right thing, but we need to anyway.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

In article >, "Jason
Tinling" > wrote:

> "FERRANTE" > wrote in message
> ...
> <snip>
>
> "and according to neighbors seemed like a normal guy."
>
> <more snip>
>
> "Seemed" being the operative word...
>
> From MSNBC.com.
>
> "Smith has been arrested at least 13 times in Florida since 1993,
> according to state records. He was arrested in 1997 in Manatee County
> on kidnapping and false imprisonment charges, but was acquitted a
> year later.
>
> Smith served 17 months in prison for heroin possession and
> prescription drug fraud and was released in 2003. He was arrested
> eight days later on the cocaine possession charge and was placed on
> probation for three years. In 1998, he was acquitted of kidnapping
> and false imprisonment of a 20-year-old woman. She told deputies that
> 'he got on top of me and told me to shut up or he would cut me.'
>
> Smith called it a misunderstanding.
>
> 'He testified he believed the woman was going to try to harm herself
> by throwing herself into traffic,' said prosecutor Brian Iten, who
> said the acquittal surprised him. 'He said she misinterpreted his
> actions because of his tattoos.'
>
> Normal? Hardly. Should have been off the street long ago? Most
> likely.
>
> 'Tis a shame the way the world seems to be headed.

> Jason

"Seems" being the operative word...
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> updated 1-31-04
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail;
a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn,that was fun!"

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "John Gaquin"
> > wrote:
>
> > "Dimitri" > wrote in message news:%_OUb.32374
> > >
> > > I believe this person (man) should be granted a fair and speedy
trial -
> > like
> > > this week and any sentence performed within one week of a conviction
(in
> > > Public).
> >
> > This is the type of case where you could make a legitimate argument for
such
> > a policy. They have him on video abducting, they have hard evidential
link
> > between the girl and his car, they have the body, and if they now
establish
> > a DNA link, then I could support an accelerated process. Punishment
would,
> > IMO, serve more effectively as deterrent if administered while the
event is
> > still in the news.
>
>
> This is a lynch mob mentality.

Bull shit!

I just want to make sure the defendents constitutational rights are
observed.

"right to speedy and public trial by jury"

Noun1.right to speedy and public trial by jury - a civil right guaranteed by
the 6th amendment to the United States constitution


Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy
and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the
crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously
ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the
accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have
compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the
assistance of counsel for his defense.


Dimitri

Cookie,

I'm startled that even you lost focus on this one. Wheat, chaff? Buy a
clue.

Is that what your GD was for? Did ya forget ya can't walk too far on the
ship?



"PENMART01" > wrote in message
...
> >"Jason Tinling" boasted:
> >
> >'Tis a shame the way the world seems to be headed.
>
> Yeah, more and more smarmy douche bags like you... a sneaky snake who
would
> remove the "OT" from the Subject line. You NEWBIE piece of shit!
> ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =---
> ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
> Sheldon
> ````````````
> "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
>

Dimitri wrote:

> Noun1.right to speedy and public trial by jury - a civil right guaranteed by
> the 6th amendment to the United States constitution

That's a RIGHT to a speedy trial, as in the defendant can't be held in
durance vile by the government without trial. It doesn't say anything
about an accelerated trial to feed mob mentality.



Brian Rodenborn

"FERRANTE" > wrote in message
...
> I am really bummed out. I could not believe it when my dad told me
> this a.m. that they found the little girl's body who had been
> abducted. I had hoped so much that they would find her alive. I don't
> know how they will do it, but I pray that her family and friends make
> it through this.
>
> I also feel sorry for the family of the man who did this. I have not
> watched the news yet, but I was told he had kids, wife, and according
> to neighbors seemed like a normal guy. Just imagine what his kids and
> wife will have to endure. I also hope that people don't fault them
> for what the father did (imagine kids in school). That ******* only
> thought of himself, and thank God that camera was where it was.
>
> Mark Anthony Ferrante

A normal guy who was arrested on kidnapping and false imprisonment charges
before. You have to wonder if Carlie would be alive today if the jury hadn't
fell for his line about snatching her (the first one) to "get her out of the
street".
He's also been arrested numerous times on other charges. Apparently the
neighbors aren't very observant if they really said that...though I've not
seen any reports like that.
I hope he rots in hell.

kimberly

"John Gaughan" > wrote in message
...
> Dimitri wrote:
> > I believe this person (man) should be granted a fair and speedy trial
> > - like this week and any sentence performed within one week of a
> > conviction (in Public).
>
> While the man is obviously guilty, he deserves all the rights that any
> other U.S. citizen has -- the right to a fair trial, right to appeal,
> right to humane treatment, et al.

Bullshit. The man deserves a 12 guage shoved up his ass, if you'll pardon my
french.

>
> More importantly, any capital or otherwise irreversible punishment needs
> to be delayed for appeals, uncovering new evidence, etc. Once you flip
> the switch, there is no going back.

Now see, I don't condone the death penalty. It shouldn't be up to no judge.
It should be up to that little girls family. And I'd happily buy them the
gun.
I'm sorry but when you kill a child, you cease to have rights in my opinion.
We don't give dogs, cats or raccoons all these rights, and he's no more
human than they are.


kimberly

On 02/06/2004 7:28 AM, in article
, "Jason Tinling"
> opined:

>
> "FERRANTE" > wrote in message
> ...
> <snip>
>
> "and according to neighbors seemed like a normal guy."
>
>
>

That's why you liberal ****s make me sick. The death penalty is warranted.

This "normal" guy is going to get a choice between Ole Sparky and a needle.

--
================================================== ==========================
"Unless you can point your finger at the man responsible when something goes
wrong, then you have never had anyone really responsible," Adm. Hyman
Rickover.
================================================== ==========================

>>I believe this person (man) should be granted >>a fair and speedy
trial - like this week and >>any sentence performed within one week of
>>a conviction (in Public).
>>Dimitri
..
..
Hmm, first let's let the fellas in the Sarasota jail have their way with
him. Then let the fellas on the condemned unit in Starke, Fla do unto
him for a while, too. Maybe even raffle off the chance to plug in the
chair. Take out the trash and put money into the state treasury at the
same time.

~~~Gina~~~

Nexis wrote:

> Bullshit. The man deserves a 12 guage shoved up his ass, if you'll pardon my
> french.

Assuming he is guilty.

We don't have trials for amusement purposes. The process is there to try
and make sure that we get justice done.

> Now see, I don't condone the death penalty. It shouldn't be up to no judge.
> It should be up to that little girls family. And I'd happily buy them the
> gun.

So it doesn't matter if he is actually guilty or anything?

> I'm sorry but when you kill a child, you cease to have rights in my opinion.

Show where it says that in the Constitution. The rights there are to
protect the innocent from fools who rush judgment.

> We don't give dogs, cats or raccoons all these rights, and he's no more
> human than they are.

Animals don't do that sort of thing, only humans.


Brian Rodenborn

>Default User wastes breath:
>
>Nexis wrote:
>
>> Bullshit. The man deserves a 12 guage shoved up his ass
>
>Assuming he is guilty.
>
>We don't have trials for amusement purposes. The process is there to try
>and make sure that we get justice done.
>
>> Now see, I don't condone the death penalty. It shouldn't be up to no judge.
>> It should be up to that little girls family. And I'd happily buy them the
>> gun.
>
>So it doesn't matter if he is actually guilty or anything?
>
>> I'm sorry but when you kill a child, you cease to have rights in my
>opinion.
>
>Show where it says that in the Constitution. The rights there are to
>protect the innocent from fools who rush judgment.
>
>> We don't give dogs, cats or raccoons all these rights, and he's no more
>> human than they are.
>
>Animals don't do that sort of thing, only humans.
>
>
>Brian Rodenborn

You're attempting rational discourse with an obvious imbecile... what do you
think that makes you?


---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
Sheldon
````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."

Gina * wrote:

> Hmm, first let's let the fellas in the Sarasota jail have their way with
> him. Then let the fellas on the condemned unit in Starke, Fla do unto
> him for a while, too. Maybe even raffle off the chance to plug in the
> chair. Take out the trash and put money into the state treasury at the
> same time.


So you are of the opinion that the USA should start torturing prisoners?
Then we can do more posturing about the land of the free and the home of
the brave?



Brian Rodenborn

"Default User" > wrote in message
...
> Gina * wrote:
>
> > Hmm, first let's let the fellas in the Sarasota jail have their way with
> > him. Then let the fellas on the condemned unit in Starke, Fla do unto
> > him for a while, too. Maybe even raffle off the chance to plug in the
> > chair. Take out the trash and put money into the state treasury at the
> > same time.
>
>
> So you are of the opinion that the USA should start torturing prisoners?
> Then we can do more posturing about the land of the free and the home of
> the brave?
>
>
>
> Brian Rodenborn

Boy you really are off on a tangent aren't you? You keep reading what people
say, twisting it in your own mind, and then arguing with yourself. Do you
realize how silly that looks?

kimberly

Gregory Morrow wrote:

> Why would anyone care about what happens to a total stranger - doesn't
> affect you and there was nothing you could have done about the situation.

I'm sorry you've feel you've never benefited from a caring stranger. I
know I have, and I also know I've been the caring stranger. As for
"nothing you could have done", for instance, when I'm impressed by
someone I never met, I may send them a letter, short, tasteful,
concrete, telling them so. E.g. I sent a letter of appreciation when the
inventor of Science Diet died (I didn't know it was an individual, and I
sent it to his son). Another example was an author (Lem) who got a
letter from me because I had met such interesting people when I carried
one of his novels around. When I met someone who was Polish, I got the
letter translated, telling Mr. Lem about the 6 interesting people I'd
met, just because of his books. Now, that didn't shake up Lem's life,
but sometimes a very small gesture, at the right time, can mean alot to
someone.
blacksalt
ObFood: I've gone on a zucc. craze (and a cuke craze, but I won't make
any suggestions), and cook them quickly by shredding them in a nonstick
skillet that I've browned some minced onion in, spice them in different
ways (chili powder or herbs or curry), cooking over high heat and then
adding day old brown rice to absorb the liquid that hasn't boiled off.
Fast dinner.

FERRANTE wrote:

> I am really bummed out. I could not believe it when my dad told me
> this a.m. that they found the little girl's body who had been
> abducted. I had hoped so much that they would find her alive. I don't
> know how they will do it, but I pray that her family and friends make
> it through this.
>
> I also feel sorry for the family of the man who did this. I have not
> watched the news yet, but I was told he had kids, wife, and according
> to neighbors seemed like a normal guy. Just imagine what his kids and
> wife will have to endure. I also hope that people don't fault them
> for what the father did (imagine kids in school). That ******* only
> thought of himself, and thank God that camera was where it was.


Why would anyone care about what happens to a total stranger - doesn't
affect you and there was nothing you could have done about the situation.

--
Best
Greg

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:42:01 -0800, (Dan Abel)
arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:

>This is a lynch mob mentality. The legal system moves very slowly for
>good reason. Once you circumvent the procedures designed to protect the
>innocent, then who gets to decide when it's OK to do this and when it
>isn't? I sure don't want to be the victim of a capricious legal system.
>
>
>You can't bring the girl back. There can be no justice in lynching the
>guy. It's not easy to do the right thing, but we need to anyway.

Frankly, two of the reasons that I am against the death penalty a
1) you can't unring that bell if the guy is later exonerated, and 2)
spending one's life in a cage is far more cruel and inhuman than the
Constitutional framers could have actually had in mind, IMHO.
Generally speaking (and oddly speaking), murderers are the "upper
class" of the prison population. Not so in the case of a child
killer/rapist. They are the *absolute* bottom of the prison food
chain. I worked for PDs back in the Bad Old Days of my early career as
a paralegal and can assure you that, once this bozo is in prison, his
hell on earth has just begun IF he lives out whatever passes for a
normal prison life span. The other inmates, the guards, the
administration - they all absolutely hate the guy.

AFAICS, there is no deterrent to animals such as this. They're all
about poor impulse control and twisted desires. One of the things I
learned with the PDs in doing client intake interviews is: these
people really *are* twisted. They do not think like you and me. They
feel no remose and, AFAICS, their only real emotion is fear of getting
caught. I'm willing to bet this bozo isn't suffering one pang of
regret over the child, just a pang of regret of having been caught.

OB Food: The starch in a prison diet will make him look like Ted
Kennedy in short order.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret
had been as old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had
been as full as the waitress', it would have been a very
good dinner." Anonymous.

To reply, remove replace "shcox" with "cox"

PENMART01 wrote:
> monumental societal changes are necessary if such horrendous deeds
> are to be significantly curtailed, obviously the death penalty is not
> it, that's tantamount to uncracking eggs.

For once I agree with you Sheldon, you worthless pile of shit. The death
penalty is mainly designed to be a deterrent, but of course "I can do
this without being caught" is the attitude of criminals who do these
sick deeds.

The only way to stop crime, or at least to prevent it before it
escalates (this guy did drugs, assault, then murder), is to have a
draconian society like in 1984 or Minority Report (movie, not book).

--
John Gaughan
http://www.johngaughan.net/

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in
message link.net...
>
> FERRANTE wrote:
>
> > I am really bummed out. I could not believe it when my dad told me
> > this a.m. that they found the little girl's body who had been
> > abducted. I had hoped so much that they would find her alive. I don't
> > know how they will do it, but I pray that her family and friends make
> > it through this.
> >
> > I also feel sorry for the family of the man who did this. I have not
> > watched the news yet, but I was told he had kids, wife, and according
> > to neighbors seemed like a normal guy. Just imagine what his kids and
> > wife will have to endure. I also hope that people don't fault them
> > for what the father did (imagine kids in school). That ******* only
> > thought of himself, and thank God that camera was where it was.
>
>
> Why would anyone care about what happens to a total stranger - doesn't
> affect you and there was nothing you could have done about the situation.
>
> --
> Best
> Greg


You are a sad, sad little man.

kimberly

"Nexis" > wrote in message
news:2uTUb.7992$IF1.3138@fed1read01...
>
> "FERRANTE" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I am really bummed out. I could not believe it when my dad told me
> > this a.m. that they found the little girl's body who had been
> > abducted. I had hoped so much that they would find her alive. I don't
> > know how they will do it, but I pray that her family and friends make
> > it through this.
> >
> > I also feel sorry for the family of the man who did this. I have not
> > watched the news yet, but I was told he had kids, wife, and according
> > to neighbors seemed like a normal guy. Just imagine what his kids and
> > wife will have to endure. I also hope that people don't fault them
> > for what the father did (imagine kids in school). That ******* only
> > thought of himself, and thank God that camera was where it was.
> >
> > Mark Anthony Ferrante
>
> A normal guy who was arrested on kidnapping and false imprisonment charges
> before. You have to wonder if Carlie would be alive today if the jury
hadn't
> fell for his line about snatching her (the first one) to "get her out of
the
> street".
> He's also been arrested numerous times on other charges. Apparently the
> neighbors aren't very observant if they really said that...though I've not
> seen any reports like that.
> I hope he rots in hell.
>
> kimberly
>
>

Don't worry....He Will......

Bigbazza

in article . net, Gregory
Morrow at wrote on 2/6/04 11:20
PM:

>
> FERRANTE wrote:
>
>> I am really bummed out. I could not believe it when my dad told me
>> this a.m. that they found the little girl's body who had been
>> abducted. I had hoped so much that they would find her alive. I don't
>> know how they will do it, but I pray that her family and friends make
>> it through this.
>>
>> I also feel sorry for the family of the man who did this. I have not
>> watched the news yet, but I was told he had kids, wife, and according
>> to neighbors seemed like a normal guy. Just imagine what his kids and
>> wife will have to endure. I also hope that people don't fault them
>> for what the father did (imagine kids in school). That ******* only
>> thought of himself, and thank God that camera was where it was.
>
>
> Why would anyone care about what happens to a total stranger - doesn't
> affect you and there was nothing you could have done about the situation.
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

It's called "human kindness".
You might want to try it sometime.

Nexis wrote:

> You are a sad, sad little man.


Nope, I just realize that it was a slow news day and this particular sob
story was perfect for filling up the airwaves. You aren't *that* naive, are
you...???

--
Best
Greg

Sheryl Rosen wrote:

> in article . net, Gregory
> Morrow at wrote on 2/6/04
11:20
> PM:
>
> >
> > FERRANTE wrote:
> >
> >> I am really bummed out. I could not believe it when my dad told me
> >> this a.m. that they found the little girl's body who had been
> >> abducted. I had hoped so much that they would find her alive. I don't
> >> know how they will do it, but I pray that her family and friends make
> >> it through this.
> >>
> >> I also feel sorry for the family of the man who did this. I have not
> >> watched the news yet, but I was told he had kids, wife, and according
> >> to neighbors seemed like a normal guy. Just imagine what his kids and
> >> wife will have to endure. I also hope that people don't fault them
> >> for what the father did (imagine kids in school). That ******* only
> >> thought of himself, and thank God that camera was where it was.
> >
> >
> > Why would anyone care about what happens to a total stranger - doesn't
> > affect you and there was nothing you could have done about the
situation.
> >
> > --
> > Best
> > Greg
>
> It's called "human kindness".
> You might want to try it sometime.


Sheryl, hon - *relax*...have you ever considered undergoing a
"hystericalectomy"...???

A week from now you are you Partners In Sobbery here won't even remember the
kid's name.

--
Best
Greg

Nexis wrote:

>> While the man is obviously guilty, he deserves all the rights that any
>> other U.S. citizen has -- the right to a fair trial, right to appeal,
>> right to humane treatment, et al.
>
> Bullshit. The man deserves a 12 guage shoved up his ass, if you'll pardon
> my french.

So, you've convicted based on what evidence? *This* (people who are quick to
judge and slow to understand) is why trial and especially execution should
*never* be done quickly. You have no knowledge of the case beyond what's
been shown on TV, and nothing there was conclusive enough to get a
conviction.

>> More importantly, any capital or otherwise irreversible punishment needs
>> to be delayed for appeals, uncovering new evidence, etc. Once you flip
>> the switch, there is no going back.
>
> Now see, I don't condone the death penalty. It shouldn't be up to no
> judge. It should be up to that little girls family. And I'd happily buy
> them the gun.
> I'm sorry but when you kill a child,

Something not proven yet.

> you cease to have rights in my
> opinion. We don't give dogs, cats or raccoons all these rights, and he's
> no more human than they are.

It's a measure of civilization that even convicts *have* rights. You stoop
to the level of the criminal when you dehumanize them; surely, whoever
killed this girl stopped considering her human, why would you want become
just like him?

--
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in article et, Gregory
Morrow at wrote on 2/7/04 8:05
AM:

>
> Sheryl Rosen wrote:
>
>> in article . net, Gregory
>> Morrow at wrote on 2/6/04
> 11:20
>> PM:
>>
>>>
>>> FERRANTE wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am really bummed out. I could not believe it when my dad told me
>>>> this a.m. that they found the little girl's body who had been
>>>> abducted. I had hoped so much that they would find her alive. I don't
>>>> know how they will do it, but I pray that her family and friends make
>>>> it through this.
>>>>
>>>> I also feel sorry for the family of the man who did this. I have not
>>>> watched the news yet, but I was told he had kids, wife, and according
>>>> to neighbors seemed like a normal guy. Just imagine what his kids and
>>>> wife will have to endure. I also hope that people don't fault them
>>>> for what the father did (imagine kids in school). That ******* only
>>>> thought of himself, and thank God that camera was where it was.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would anyone care about what happens to a total stranger - doesn't
>>> affect you and there was nothing you could have done about the
> situation.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best
>>> Greg
>>
>> It's called "human kindness".
>> You might want to try it sometime.
>
>
> Sheryl, hon - *relax*...have you ever considered undergoing a
> "hystericalectomy"...???
>
> A week from now you are you Partners In Sobbery here won't even remember the
> kid's name.

Again, Greg, you need to learn how to read.
The only thing I added to this thread was the suggestion you try some human
kindness.

It's YOU who are getting hysterical.

And stop stalking me.

The Wolf wrote:

>> Something not proven yet.
>>
>>> you cease to have rights in my
>>> opinion. We don't give dogs, cats or raccoons all these rights, and he's
>>> no more human than they are.
>>
>> It's a measure of civilization that even convicts *have* rights. You
>> stoop to the level of the criminal when you dehumanize them; surely,
>> whoever killed this girl stopped considering her human, why would you
>> want become just like him?
>
> Apparently this piece of shit kidnapped a little girl before and was
> acquitted. The jury believed his story that he grabbed the little girl
> because she was running in to traffic.

So? That doesn't mean he *definitely* did it *this* time. If a house burns
down in a neighborhood where a convicted (which is different from
acquitted) arsonist lives, that doesn't prove *he* burned it down. You have
to be *sure* before you punish someone they *did* do it.

> I love Bill O'Reilly because he pointed that out and put the blame on
> those 12 stupid ****ing jurors. I wish O'Reilly would give out the names
> and addresses of the jurors on national TV.

Why? So you can punish *them* because *you* think he's guilty? What makes
you think that *you* have more information and can make a better
determination than the people who were *actually involved* in the trial?
That's utter nonsense.

> And O'Reilly posted the name and photograph of the judge who refused to
> send the perp back to prison on parole violations.

If he violated parole, he *should* go back to prison *for that*.

<snip>

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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:52:47 -0600, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>Jason Tinling wrote:
>> "FERRANTE" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> <snip>
>>
>> "and according to neighbors seemed like a normal guy."
>>
>> <more snip>
>>
>> "Seemed" being the operative word...
>>
>Yeah, I hear Ted Bundy was a genuinely nice guy, and everyone thought
>Jeffrey Dahmer was a good neighbor.
>
>Jill
>
*just once* i would like to hear someone say about a serial killer or
other prevert, 'that guy was a weird mother****er, all right. we used
to cross the street to avoid him.'

your pal,
richard

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
<snip>
> *just once* i would like to hear someone say about a serial killer or
> other prevert, 'that guy was a weird mother****er, all right. we used
> to cross the street to avoid him.'
Your 100 percent correct... If you ever see that in print or hear it
please let me know as I observed the same thing..
Eric

>This is a lynch mob mentality. The legal system moves very slowly for
>good reason. Once you circumvent the procedures designed to protect the
>innocent, then who gets to decide when it's OK to do this and when it
>isn't? I sure don't want to be the victim of a capricious legal system.

>You can't bring the girl back. There can be no justice in lynching the
>guy. It's not easy to do the right thing, but we need to anyway.

Not entirely. The point is, the deterent effect of capital punishment is
eroded when the time required to administer it is extended. The current delays
in the system are not functions of the complexity of the investigation and
determining a "beyond reasonable doubt" truth, but of a procedural compromise
between opponents and proponents of the death penalty.

Meanwhile, opponents hope to erode support for eliminating it by making it so
difficult to apply, and by eliminating so much public trauma from its
implementation, that its value as a deterent, itself, erodes.

Supporters of the death penalty may hope that advances in forensic science and
data analysis can make investigations dispositive, convictions more credible,
and rapid executions thus less objectionable. But I doubt that will happen
quickly enough to override the present trend in public policy.

Neil

>And, the undeniable
>fact is that this guy has probably been raped by now

Please straighten out your undeniables and probablies.

It'll cost society a million bucks to process and convict him,
and another $50k a year to keep him in jail.
I can think of better things to do with the money.

The Soviets would have solved the problem
in 10 seconds with a ten-cent bullet.
This is one case where I think they had the right idea.

<rj>


On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:21:44 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:

>
>Frankly, two of the reasons that I am against the death penalty a
>1) you can't unring that bell if the guy is later exonerated, and 2)
>spending one's life in a cage is far more cruel and inhuman than the
>Constitutional framers could have actually had in mind, IMHO.
>Generally speaking (and oddly speaking), murderers are the "upper
>class" of the prison population. Not so in the case of a child
>killer/rapist. They are the *absolute* bottom of the prison food
>chain. I worked for PDs back in the Bad Old Days of my early career as
>a paralegal and can assure you that, once this bozo is in prison, his
>hell on earth has just begun IF he lives out whatever passes for a
>normal prison life span. The other inmates, the guards, the
>administration - they all absolutely hate the guy.
>
>AFAICS, there is no deterrent to animals such as this. They're all
>about poor impulse control and twisted desires. One of the things I
>learned with the PDs in doing client intake interviews is: these
>people really *are* twisted. They do not think like you and me. They
>feel no remose and, AFAICS, their only real emotion is fear of getting
>caught. I'm willing to bet this bozo isn't suffering one pang of
>regret over the child, just a pang of regret of having been caught.
>
>OB Food: The starch in a prison diet will make him look like Ted
>Kennedy in short order.
>
>Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA
>
>"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret
>had been as old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had
>been as full as the waitress', it would have been a very
>good dinner." Anonymous.
>
>To reply, remove replace "shcox" with "cox"

<rj>

In article >,
"Tank" > wrote:

> "John Gaughan" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > While the man is obviously guilty, he deserves all the rights that any
> > other U.S. citizen has -- the right to a fair trial, right to appeal,
> > right to humane treatment, et al.
> >
> > More importantly, any capital or otherwise irreversible punishment needs
> > to be delayed for appeals, uncovering new evidence, etc. Once you flip
> > the switch, there is no going back.
>
> Tell that to Carlie.

I will approve of the death penalty the day we can bring the victim back
from the dead.

Miche

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