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Everybody has remembered to turn their clocks BACK for the time
change tonight before they go to bed, correct??
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>change tonight before they go to bed, correct??


Yes, I have done those which need me to do it, all the rest are
automatic lol
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>change tonight before they go to bed, correct??


Back? You mean forward. And 2 weeks ago
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All mine are changed, except one over the TV and the computer does it on
it's own. I like this time better than the skip ahead.

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>> Everybody has remembered to turn their clocks BACK for the time
>> change tonight before they go to bed, correct??

>
>
>All mine are changed, except one over the TV and the computer does it on
>it's own. I like this time better than the skip ahead.


You prefer backward.


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> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Everybody has remembered to turn their clocks BACK for the time
>> change tonight before they go to bed, correct??

>
> Back? You mean forward. And 2 weeks ago
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But you are upside down!
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On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 18:49:05 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2017-11-04 5:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Everybody has remembered to turn their clocks BACK for the time
>>> change tonight before they go to bed, correct??

>>
>> Back? You mean forward. And 2 weeks ago
>>

>But you are upside down!


That's what you think!
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On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 6:53:15 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
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> On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
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> >Everybody has remembered to turn their clocks BACK for the time
> >change tonight before they go to bed, correct??

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> Back? You mean forward. And 2 weeks ago
>
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Not in this hemisphere.

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> All mine are changed, except one over the TV and the computer does it on
> it's own. I like this time better than the skip ahead.
>
> Cheri
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My laptop is the only thing that sets itself automatically.

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>On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 10:53:10 +1100, Bruce >
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>>On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Everybody has remembered to turn their clocks BACK for the time
>>>change tonight before they go to bed, correct??

>>
>>Back? You mean forward. And 2 weeks ago

>
>2 weeks ago????? Where the heck do you live?


In Australia.


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On 2017-11-04 11:03 PM, Jerome Tews wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 10:53:10 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
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>> On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Everybody has remembered to turn their clocks BACK for the time
>>> change tonight before they go to bed, correct??

>>
>> Back? You mean forward. And 2 weeks ago

>
> 2 weeks ago????? Where the heck do you live?
>

You forget that Bush extended daylight saving to save energy. Canada had
to follow suit but the rest of the world didn't.
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I didn't have to do too many. Most change automatically.

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> Everybody has remembered to turn their clocks BACK for the time
> change tonight before they go to bed, correct??


I do mine when I get up in the morning. I still need to do the one on
stove; all of the others have a DST button of some sort.

It's Sunday. It won't matter what time it is until tomorrow morning.

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> > Everybody has remembered to turn their clocks BACK for the time
> > change tonight before they go to bed, correct??

>
>
> All mine are changed, except one over the TV and the computer does it on
> it's own. I like this time better than the skip ahead.


I prefer the other one. It's difficult for me to stay up late and
sleep in an hour. I have no trouble going to bed an hour early and
getting up an hour early.

I did pretty well, though. It was 4:18 DST when I woke up, so that
actually was sleeping in an hour. The Irony Fairy will probably
wake me up at 2:00 tomorrow, and not let me get back to sleep.

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> wrote:

>On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 7:28:40 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> Everybody has remembered to turn their clocks BACK for the time
>> change tonight before they go to bed, correct??

>
>I do mine when I get up in the morning. I still need to do the one on
>stove; all of the others have a DST button of some sort.
>
>It's Sunday. It won't matter what time it is until tomorrow morning.
>
>Cindy Hamilton


You've just reminded me to go set the kitchen timer for 1pm - that's
the best time of day for obvious reasons to alter the old chiming
clock


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> I do mine when I get up in the morning. I still need to do the one on
> stove; all of the others have a DST button of some sort.
>
> It's Sunday. It won't matter what time it is until tomorrow morning.


I change my clocks in the morning, not 6 hours before like many
here seemed to do. One clock I cannot change is my internal
clock. My alarm is always set for 4:10am but I always wake up
early and turn it off before it goes off. At 4am, I watch 10
minutes of headline news then I get up and start the coffee pot.

By 5am, after coffee and internet check, I'm ready to start the
day.

So...today I got up right after 3am (new clock time).
I'll be waking up and getting up for at least another
week or so early. I have no need to sleep longer just because
we changed the clock. It's stupid anyway, imo.

I'd rather keep that extra hour of light in the evening, not
transfer it to the morning.
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>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> I do mine when I get up in the morning. I still need to do the one on
>> stove; all of the others have a DST button of some sort.
>>
>> It's Sunday. It won't matter what time it is until tomorrow morning.

>
>I change my clocks in the morning, not 6 hours before like many
>here seemed to do. One clock I cannot change is my internal
>clock. My alarm is always set for 4:10am but I always wake up
>early and turn it off before it goes off. At 4am, I watch 10
>minutes of headline news then I get up and start the coffee pot.
>
>By 5am, after coffee and internet check, I'm ready to start the
>day.
>
>So...today I got up right after 3am (new clock time).
>I'll be waking up and getting up for at least another
>week or so early. I have no need to sleep longer just because
>we changed the clock. It's stupid anyway, imo.
>
>I'd rather keep that extra hour of light in the evening, not
>transfer it to the morning.


Some study has said that pedestrian accidents increase three times in
the days immediately after a time change. I suspect it would be worse
were it not for the fact that smart phones change the time themselves

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On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 8:01:48 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > I do mine when I get up in the morning. I still need to do the one on
> > stove; all of the others have a DST button of some sort.
> >
> > It's Sunday. It won't matter what time it is until tomorrow morning.

>
> I change my clocks in the morning, not 6 hours before like many
> here seemed to do. One clock I cannot change is my internal
> clock. My alarm is always set for 4:10am but I always wake up
> early and turn it off before it goes off. At 4am, I watch 10
> minutes of headline news then I get up and start the coffee pot.
>
> By 5am, after coffee and internet check, I'm ready to start the
> day.
>
> So...today I got up right after 3am (new clock time).
> I'll be waking up and getting up for at least another
> week or so early. I have no need to sleep longer just because
> we changed the clock. It's stupid anyway, imo.
>
> I'd rather keep that extra hour of light in the evening, not
> transfer it to the morning.


I'm the opposite, but I don't believe I've found anyone who agrees
with me. Light in the evening is useless to me. Not so much for
the lobbyists who pay Congress to keep DST.

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I think time changes kill a few people who are near death anyway.
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> On 2017-11-04 11:03 PM, Jerome Tews wrote:


>> 2 weeks ago????? Where the heck do you live?
>>

> You forget that Bush extended daylight saving to save energy. Canada had
> to follow suit but the rest of the world didn't.



I never followed the logic of extending DST as an energy saving measure.
At this latitude we may not have to turn all a lot of lights when we
get home from work, but we will be turning them on in the morning
instead. We will be using the same amount of power, but at in the
morning instead of the evening.


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On 2017-11-05 7:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 7:58:28 PM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:


>> All mine are changed, except one over the TV and the computer does it on
>> it's own. I like this time better than the skip ahead.

>
> I prefer the other one. It's difficult for me to stay up late and
> sleep in an hour. I have no trouble going to bed an hour early and
> getting up an hour early.
>
> I did pretty well, though. It was 4:18 DST when I woke up, so that
> actually was sleeping in an hour. The Irony Fairy will probably
> wake me up at 2:00 tomorrow, and not let me get back to sleep.


I failed at adapting quickly to DST. I went to bed at the usual time,
and read for about an hour. I was nodding off when I turned off the
lights, and I just closed by eyes and fell asleep almost instantly.
Then I woke up at 4:10..... 3:10 old time. I tossed and turned for
hours and finally turned on the light and resumed reading at 6. My
wife's alarm came on at 7. I listened to the news at 7 and 7:30, and
then it was suddenly 8:30, so I guess I caught a little more sleep, but
not much. And I have to say it is a crappy day here, low 50s and
raining quite hard.


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> On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 8:01:48 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:


>> I'd rather keep that extra hour of light in the evening, not
>> transfer it to the morning.

>
> I'm the opposite, but I don't believe I've found anyone who agrees
> with me. Light in the evening is useless to me. Not so much for
> the lobbyists who pay Congress to keep DST.



I used to work a compressed work week, 4 ten hour shifts per week. In
the winter I left for work at 6:30 am and the sun was not up until
almost 8am and was down by about 5 pm, so on day shifts and midnights I
was travelling to and from work in the dark. Afternoon shifts were 2 pm
to midnight, so I got to go to work in sunlight for a couple hours, but
then it was dark.


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> On 2017-11-04 11:03 PM, Jerome Tews wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 10:53:10 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Everybody has remembered to turn their clocks BACK for the time
>>>> change tonight before they go to bed, correct??
>>>
>>> Back? You mean forward. And 2 weeks ago

>>
>> 2 weeks ago????? Where the heck do you live?
>>

> You forget that Bush extended daylight saving to save energy.


Bravo!

Wish he'd made it a year tound thing.

> Canada had
> to follow suit but the rest of the world didn't.


You can thank us any time you prefer not having sunset at 2PM local time...
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On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 10:58:20 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-11-05 7:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 7:58:28 PM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:

>
> >> All mine are changed, except one over the TV and the computer does it on
> >> it's own. I like this time better than the skip ahead.

> >
> > I prefer the other one. It's difficult for me to stay up late and
> > sleep in an hour. I have no trouble going to bed an hour early and
> > getting up an hour early.
> >
> > I did pretty well, though. It was 4:18 DST when I woke up, so that
> > actually was sleeping in an hour. The Irony Fairy will probably
> > wake me up at 2:00 tomorrow, and not let me get back to sleep.

>
> I failed at adapting quickly to DST. I went to bed at the usual time,
> and read for about an hour. I was nodding off when I turned off the
> lights, and I just closed by eyes and fell asleep almost instantly.
> Then I woke up at 4:10..... 3:10 old time. I tossed and turned for
> hours and finally turned on the light and resumed reading at 6. My
> wife's alarm came on at 7. I listened to the news at 7 and 7:30, and
> then it was suddenly 8:30, so I guess I caught a little more sleep, but
> not much. And I have to say it is a crappy day here, low 50s and
> raining quite hard.


We had that rain last night. It's warmer and foggy here. Still
crappy. I keep turning lights on, then going back around and turning
them off to save electricity.

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> On Sat 04 Nov 2017 04:28:37p, told us...
>
>>
>> Everybody has remembered to turn their clocks BACK for the time
>> change tonight before they go to bed, correct??
>>

>
> Ours doesn't change. :-)
>


Due to your absurdly high summer heat levels.


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> On 2017-11-05 9:03 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 8:01:48 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:

>
> >> I'd rather keep that extra hour of light in the evening, not
> >> transfer it to the morning.

> >
> > I'm the opposite, but I don't believe I've found anyone who agrees
> > with me. Light in the evening is useless to me. Not so much for
> > the lobbyists who pay Congress to keep DST.

>
>
> I used to work a compressed work week, 4 ten hour shifts per week. In
> the winter I left for work at 6:30 am and the sun was not up until
> almost 8am and was down by about 5 pm, so on day shifts and midnights I
> was travelling to and from work in the dark. Afternoon shifts were 2 pm
> to midnight, so I got to go to work in sunlight for a couple hours, but
> then it was dark.


Closer to the solstice I'll be going to work in the dark at 7:30
and coming home in the dark at 5.

I wake up in the dark year round. I'd rather have it dark when I
go to bed in the summer. Blackout blinds help.

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On 11/5/2017 6:02 AM, Gary wrote:
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> transfer it to the morning.


DOUBLE DITTO!!!
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On 11/5/2017 7:03 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 8:01:48 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> I do mine when I get up in the morning. I still need to do the one on
>>> stove; all of the others have a DST button of some sort.
>>>
>>> It's Sunday. It won't matter what time it is until tomorrow morning.

>>
>> I change my clocks in the morning, not 6 hours before like many
>> here seemed to do. One clock I cannot change is my internal
>> clock. My alarm is always set for 4:10am but I always wake up
>> early and turn it off before it goes off. At 4am, I watch 10
>> minutes of headline news then I get up and start the coffee pot.
>>
>> By 5am, after coffee and internet check, I'm ready to start the
>> day.
>>
>> So...today I got up right after 3am (new clock time).
>> I'll be waking up and getting up for at least another
>> week or so early. I have no need to sleep longer just because
>> we changed the clock. It's stupid anyway, imo.
>>
>> I'd rather keep that extra hour of light in the evening, not
>> transfer it to the morning.

>
> I'm the opposite, but I don't believe I've found anyone who agrees
> with me. Light in the evening is useless to me. Not so much for
> the lobbyists who pay Congress to keep DST.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>


It should be year round, period.
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On 11/5/2017 9:24 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> I'd rather have it dark when I
> go to bed in the summer.


Feh, the heck with that!

A long languid summer night that stays twilight until 9 or later is optimal!

Don't you enjoy summer?


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On 11/5/2017 9:22 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 10:58:20 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-11-05 7:42 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 7:58:28 PM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:

>>
>>>> All mine are changed, except one over the TV and the computer does it on
>>>> it's own. I like this time better than the skip ahead.
>>>
>>> I prefer the other one. It's difficult for me to stay up late and
>>> sleep in an hour. I have no trouble going to bed an hour early and
>>> getting up an hour early.
>>>
>>> I did pretty well, though. It was 4:18 DST when I woke up, so that
>>> actually was sleeping in an hour. The Irony Fairy will probably
>>> wake me up at 2:00 tomorrow, and not let me get back to sleep.

>>
>> I failed at adapting quickly to DST. I went to bed at the usual time,
>> and read for about an hour. I was nodding off when I turned off the
>> lights, and I just closed by eyes and fell asleep almost instantly.
>> Then I woke up at 4:10..... 3:10 old time. I tossed and turned for
>> hours and finally turned on the light and resumed reading at 6. My
>> wife's alarm came on at 7. I listened to the news at 7 and 7:30, and
>> then it was suddenly 8:30, so I guess I caught a little more sleep, but
>> not much. And I have to say it is a crappy day here, low 50s and
>> raining quite hard.

>
> We had that rain last night. It's warmer and foggy here. Still
> crappy. I keep turning lights on, then going back around and turning
> them off to save electricity.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>


Well someone's got to live in our crappier climes, so tnx!
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On 2017-11-05 11:24 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 11:11:21 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Closer to the solstice I'll be going to work in the dark at 7:30
> and coming home in the dark at 5.
>
> I wake up in the dark year round. I'd rather have it dark when I
> go to bed in the summer. Blackout blinds help.
>


Blackout blinds are a great thing. We got them when I was working
midnight shifts regularly. Curiously, after we got the blinds I rarely
had to work midnights anymore, so that worked out well. We still use
them, but they are not so great in the summer because I like to sleep
with a window open.


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On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 11:44:50 AM UTC-5, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
> On 11/5/2017 9:24 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > I'd rather have it dark when I
> > go to bed in the summer.

>
> Feh, the heck with that!
>
> A long languid summer night that stays twilight until 9 or later is optimal!
>
> Don't you enjoy summer?


No. My two favorite months are May (average high 70 F) and October (average
high 61 F).

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> On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 8:01:48 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > I do mine when I get up in the morning. I still need to do the one on
>> > stove; all of the others have a DST button of some sort.
>> >
>> > It's Sunday. It won't matter what time it is until tomorrow morning.

>>
>> I change my clocks in the morning, not 6 hours before like many
>> here seemed to do. One clock I cannot change is my internal
>> clock. My alarm is always set for 4:10am but I always wake up
>> early and turn it off before it goes off. At 4am, I watch 10
>> minutes of headline news then I get up and start the coffee pot.
>>
>> By 5am, after coffee and internet check, I'm ready to start the
>> day.
>>
>> So...today I got up right after 3am (new clock time).
>> I'll be waking up and getting up for at least another
>> week or so early. I have no need to sleep longer just because
>> we changed the clock. It's stupid anyway, imo.
>>
>> I'd rather keep that extra hour of light in the evening, not
>> transfer it to the morning.

>
> I'm the opposite, but I don't believe I've found anyone who agrees
> with me. Light in the evening is useless to me. Not so much for
> the lobbyists who pay Congress to keep DST.
>
> Cindy Hamilton



I agree with you 100%.

Cheri

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> On 11/5/2017 9:24 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> I'd rather have it dark when I
>> go to bed in the summer.

>
> Feh, the heck with that!
>
> A long languid summer night that stays twilight until 9 or later is
> optimal!
>
> Don't you enjoy summer?



No, I do not enjoy summer. I am a winter person.

Cheri



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On 2017-11-05 9:27 AM, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
> On 11/5/2017 6:02 AM, Gary wrote:
>> I'd rather keep that extra hour of light in the evening, not
>> transfer it to the morning.

>
> DOUBLE DITTO!!!

Back in the late 60s, the UK tried keeping on GMT the whole year. That
meant that children went to school in the dark and that became a serious
safety issue so they went back to daylight saving.
Also, farmers complained - but they always do to ANY change.
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On 11/5/2017 10:35 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 11:44:50 AM UTC-5, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
>> On 11/5/2017 9:24 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> I'd rather have it dark when I
>>> go to bed in the summer.

>>
>> Feh, the heck with that!
>>
>> A long languid summer night that stays twilight until 9 or later is optimal!
>>
>> Don't you enjoy summer?

>
> No.


Boo!

> My two favorite months are May (average high 70 F) and October (average
> high 61 F).
>
> Cindy Hamilton


Ya know those are truly great months in their own right, but nothing, I
mean nothing, touches a monsoon summer's night full of lightning.

You start the day with:

https://www2.palomar.edu/users/warms.../Monsoon2d.jpg

Then it begins to convect:

https://www2.palomar.edu/users/warms.../Monsoon5d.jpg

Then all HELL breaks loose!

https://c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/...nsoon-1785.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d7/da/b8/d...ing-storms.jpg

Come morning:

http://www.abqballoonrides.com/image...dia_clouds.jpg


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On 11/5/2017 10:44 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Casa de los peregrinos" > wrote in message
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>> On 11/5/2017 9:24 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> I'd rather have it dark when I
>>> go to bed in the summer.

>>
>> Feh, the heck with that!
>>
>> A long languid summer night that stays twilight until 9 or later is
>> optimal!
>>
>> Don't you enjoy summer?

>
>
> No, I do not enjoy summer. I am a winter person.
>
> Cheri


Wait, really??

You're in NoCal, yes?

That's not a heckuva lot of "winter" unless you're in the Shasta area,
is it?




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On 11/5/2017 10:57 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-11-05 9:27 AM, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
>> On 11/5/2017 6:02 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> I'd rather keep that extra hour of light in the evening, not
>>> transfer it to the morning.

>>
>> DOUBLE DITTO!!!

> Back in the late 60s, the UK tried keeping on GMT the whole year. That
> meant that children went to school in the dark and that became a serious
> safety issue so they went back to daylight saving.
> Also, farmers complained - but they always do to ANY change.


I am sure both were so.

Kids need to be told to buck up.

But I suspect it wasn't their complaints, rather their parents.


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On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 23:10:54 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2017-11-04 11:03 PM, Jerome Tews wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 10:53:10 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Everybody has remembered to turn their clocks BACK for the time
>>>> change tonight before they go to bed, correct??
>>>
>>> Back? You mean forward. And 2 weeks ago

>>
>> 2 weeks ago????? Where the heck do you live?
>>

>You forget that Bush extended daylight saving to save energy.


The lazy *******!
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