Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > I like to use my slow cooker because I don't
> > need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking
>
> Agree! You put everything in there and forget about it for hours.
> No need to check water level or stir. I will sometimes stir a bit
> though. A slow cooker really IS a handy (and inexpensive)
> kitchen appliance, imo. :-D
>
> I don't use mine very often so it lives in a bottom cupboard. So
> handy to have for certain things though.
>
> Mine is an old 1980 or so Rival "Crock-pot Stoneware slow
> cooker." No removable inside bowl and only 3 settings on a
> dial...off-low-high. It says 75 watts on slow and 150 watts on
> high. I only use the high setting to bring it up to temp then I
> turn it down to low to cook for hours.
>
> Size is 3.5 quarts.

I had one of those. Took decades to finally wear it out. Died in
Sasebo Japan about 2002.

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In article >,
wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 08:44:53 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Ophelia wrote:
> >>
> >> "dsi1" wrote:
> >> I was thinking about putting frozen meat directly into the hot water bath
> >> and adding a half hour to the cooking time. Have you tried this?
> >>
> >> ==
> >>
> >> No I haven't. I read that can be dangerous. It take the meat so long to
> >> get up to temp, bacteria can grow to a dangerous level.
> >
> >For this same reason, anytime I cook something with meat in my
> >crockpot, I always turn it on high to get to that simmer, then
> >turn it to low to cook for the day. 24 hour cooking when making
> >chicken stock.
>
> Why can't you slow cook on your stove top? And if your smallest
> burner won't go low enough either adjust it (gas burners can be
> adjusted) or use a flame tamer, they're made for gas or electric.

You can slow cook in your oven, but I don't have any pans that would
keep the top of the pot hot if it was sitting on a simmer burner turned
on low. As for the cost, I consider any time my oven is on in the winter
months is free. The heat is staying in the house and keeping the furnace
from running as often.

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> >
> > I first got the recipe off the internet. Then I downloaded a chart from
> > the FDA that lists minimum time and temperature for safety.
>
> I'm not doubting you, but do you happen to still have that link handy?
> I looked all over for it, and finally decided to read the very long
> and extremely wordy FDA-approved patent.
>

I checked through my bookmarks and couldn't find it, but I did find the
original article that discussed sous vide eggs. It's:

<http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/10/sous-vide-101-all-about-eggs.html>

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"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>
>> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I don't
>> need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking
>
> I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but
> am
> waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> Will you brown them before or after? I can't wait til you have used it
> and to get your comments)))

I watched a Youtube video where he put them in the bag with a pat of butter,
a sprig of thyme, salt and pepper. So I will try something like that to
start.

Cheri

==

I put things in with mine too ) I just did a brisket and added a little
thick stock and seasoning. It's all good)

Btw that brisket comes out so tender ... mmMMMmmmmm))



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"Cheri" wrote in message news
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> "Ophelia" wrote in message ...
>
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>
>> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I don't
>> need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking
>
> I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but
> am
> waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> Will you brown them before or after? I can't wait til you have used it
> and
> to get your comments)))
>
> ==
>
> Oh dear. That wasn't you?

The Sous Vide cooker comment was me, the forged Casa response was not.

Cheri

==

Ok) btw I mailed you and it bounced.



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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>
>>> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I don't
>>> need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking
>>
>> I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but
>> am
>> waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Will you brown them before or after? I can't wait til you have used it
>> and to get your comments)))
>
> I watched a Youtube video where he put them in the bag with a pat of
> butter,
> a sprig of thyme, salt and pepper. So I will try something like that to
> start.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> I put things in with mine too ) I just did a brisket and added a
> little thick stock and seasoning. It's all good)
>
> Btw that brisket comes out so tender ... mmMMMmmmmm))

Yes, I am definitely wanting to try that! I will surely ask you for the
technique.

Cheri

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> Ok) btw I mailed you and it bounced.

I will email you so you have my real email if you don't have it.

Cheri

On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 4:22:04 AM UTC-10, Mark Storkamp wrote:
>
> You can slow cook in your oven, but I don't have any pans that would
> keep the top of the pot hot if it was sitting on a simmer burner turned
> on low. As for the cost, I consider any time my oven is on in the winter
> months is free. The heat is staying in the house and keeping the furnace
> from running as often.

My guess is that a gas oven would be very comforting during the winter because it would provide water vapor as well as heat to the house. On the other hand, it kind of sucks in the tropic because it provides water vapor as well as heat to the kitchen. On the other hand, I have never operated a gas oven on the mainland during the winter so that's just a guess.

On 11/20/2017 11:24 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 4:22:04 AM UTC-10, Mark Storkamp wrote:
>>
>> You can slow cook in your oven, but I don't have any pans that would
>> keep the top of the pot hot if it was sitting on a simmer burner turned
>> on low. As for the cost, I consider any time my oven is on in the winter
>> months is free. The heat is staying in the house and keeping the furnace
>> from running as often.
>
> My guess is that a gas oven would be very comforting during the winter because it would provide water vapor as well as heat to the house. On the other hand, it kind of sucks in the tropic because it provides water vapor as well as heat to the kitchen. On the other hand, I have never operated a gas oven on the mainland during the winter so that's just a guess.
>


I'll share this much on them - not easy to clean, not too consistent on
temps, not my preference.

On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 2:02:41 PM UTC-5, casa chevrolet wrote:
> On 11/20/2017 11:24 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 4:22:04 AM UTC-10, Mark Storkamp wrote:
> >>
> >> You can slow cook in your oven, but I don't have any pans that would
> >> keep the top of the pot hot if it was sitting on a simmer burner turned
> >> on low. As for the cost, I consider any time my oven is on in the winter
> >> months is free. The heat is staying in the house and keeping the furnace
> >> from running as often.
> >
> > My guess is that a gas oven would be very comforting during the winter because it would provide water vapor as well as heat to the house. On the other hand, it kind of sucks in the tropic because it provides water vapor as well as heat to the kitchen. On the other hand, I have never operated a gas oven on the mainland during the winter so that's just a guess.
> >
>
>
> I'll share this much on them - not easy to clean, not too consistent on
> temps, not my preference.

Not easy to clean? I don't find it so. The sealed burners
on the cooktop are very easy to clean; the oven is self-cleaning.
Welcome to the 21st Century.

Maybe inconsistent temps. I don't do fussy baking, so I don't
care.

Cindy Hamilton

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> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>
>>> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I don't
>>> need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking
>>
>> I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but
>> am
>> waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Will you brown them before or after? I can't wait til you have used it
>> and to get your comments)))
>
> I watched a Youtube video where he put them in the bag with a pat of
> butter,
> a sprig of thyme, salt and pepper. So I will try something like that to
> start.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> I put things in with mine too ) I just did a brisket and added a
> little thick stock and seasoning. It's all good)
>
> Btw that brisket comes out so tender ... mmMMMmmmmm))

Yes, I am definitely wanting to try that! I will surely ask you for the
technique.

Cheri

==

Did you manage to print off that temp/time thing I posted?

I always use that Without looking I think it was in for 6 hours. Can't
remember the temp ... 60f?




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> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
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>> ...
>>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I
>>>> don't
>>>> need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking
>>>
>>> I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but
>>> am
>>> waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Will you brown them before or after? I can't wait til you have used it
>>> and to get your comments)))
>>
>> I watched a Youtube video where he put them in the bag with a pat of
>> butter,
>> a sprig of thyme, salt and pepper. So I will try something like that to
>> start.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>> ==
>>
>> I put things in with mine too ) I just did a brisket and added a
>> little thick stock and seasoning. It's all good)
>>
>> Btw that brisket comes out so tender ... mmMMMmmmmm))
>
> Yes, I am definitely wanting to try that! I will surely ask you for the
> technique.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> Did you manage to print off that temp/time thing I posted?
>
> I always use that Without looking I think it was in for 6 hours. Can't
> remember the temp ... 60f?

I have it saved.

Cheri

On 11/20/2017 1:24 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 4:22:04 AM UTC-10, Mark Storkamp wrote:
>>
>> You can slow cook in your oven, but I don't have any pans that would
>> keep the top of the pot hot if it was sitting on a simmer burner turned
>> on low. As for the cost, I consider any time my oven is on in the winter
>> months is free. The heat is staying in the house and keeping the furnace
>> from running as often.
>
> My guess is that a gas oven would be very comforting during the winter because it would provide water vapor as well as heat to the house. On the other hand, it kind of sucks in the tropic because it provides water vapor as well as heat to the kitchen. On the other hand, I have never operated a gas oven on the mainland during the winter so that's just a guess.
>

Not enough water vapor to make much difference. The kitchen will be
comfy while it is running but when really cold we run a humidifier.

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>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I
>>>> don't
>>>> need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking
>>>
>>> I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but
>>> am
>>> waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Will you brown them before or after? I can't wait til you have used it
>>> and to get your comments)))
>>
>> I watched a Youtube video where he put them in the bag with a pat of
>> butter,
>> a sprig of thyme, salt and pepper. So I will try something like that to
>> start.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>> ==
>>
>> I put things in with mine too ) I just did a brisket and added a
>> little thick stock and seasoning. It's all good)
>>
>> Btw that brisket comes out so tender ... mmMMMmmmmm))
>
> Yes, I am definitely wanting to try that! I will surely ask you for the
> technique.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> Did you manage to print off that temp/time thing I posted?
>
> I always use that Without looking I think it was in for 6 hours. Can't
> remember the temp ... 60f?

I have it saved.

Cheri

==

It works beautifully for everything I have used it for.



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On 11/20/2017 12:28 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 2:02:41 PM UTC-5, casa chevrolet wrote:
>> On 11/20/2017 11:24 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 4:22:04 AM UTC-10, Mark Storkamp wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can slow cook in your oven, but I don't have any pans that would
>>>> keep the top of the pot hot if it was sitting on a simmer burner turned
>>>> on low. As for the cost, I consider any time my oven is on in the winter
>>>> months is free. The heat is staying in the house and keeping the furnace
>>>> from running as often.
>>>
>>> My guess is that a gas oven would be very comforting during the winter because it would provide water vapor as well as heat to the house. On the other hand, it kind of sucks in the tropic because it provides water vapor as well as heat to the kitchen. On the other hand, I have never operated a gas oven on the mainland during the winter so that's just a guess.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'll share this much on them - not easy to clean, not too consistent on
>> temps, not my preference.
>
> Not easy to clean? I don't find it so. The sealed burners
> on the cooktop are very easy to clean; the oven is self-cleaning.
> Welcome to the 21st Century.

The burners were not my concern, the oven is.

I do not find gas self-clean works as well as electric, by a significant
margin.

> Maybe inconsistent temps. I don't do fussy baking, so I don't
> care.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

This unit also doesn't heat up evenly or quickly.

It's a 10 year old Kenmore at a friend's home though, so they may have
improved since then.

The old gas ovens from the '60s were all hand scrub, iirc.

A PITA!

On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 3:30:11 PM UTC-5, casa chevrolet wrote:
> On 11/20/2017 12:28 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 2:02:41 PM UTC-5, casa chevrolet wrote:
> >> On 11/20/2017 11:24 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 4:22:04 AM UTC-10, Mark Storkamp wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> You can slow cook in your oven, but I don't have any pans that would
> >>>> keep the top of the pot hot if it was sitting on a simmer burner turned
> >>>> on low. As for the cost, I consider any time my oven is on in the winter
> >>>> months is free. The heat is staying in the house and keeping the furnace
> >>>> from running as often.
> >>>
> >>> My guess is that a gas oven would be very comforting during the winter because it would provide water vapor as well as heat to the house. On the other hand, it kind of sucks in the tropic because it provides water vapor as well as heat to the kitchen. On the other hand, I have never operated a gas oven on the mainland during the winter so that's just a guess.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll share this much on them - not easy to clean, not too consistent on
> >> temps, not my preference.
> >
> > Not easy to clean? I don't find it so. The sealed burners
> > on the cooktop are very easy to clean; the oven is self-cleaning.
> > Welcome to the 21st Century.
>
> The burners were not my concern, the oven is.
>
> I do not find gas self-clean works as well as electric, by a significant
> margin.

I couldn't say. I haven't used an electric range in quite
a while, and I find the self-cleaning feature on the gas oven
to be satisfactory. It leaves a little fine, gray ash that
wipes up easily.

> > Maybe inconsistent temps. I don't do fussy baking, so I don't
> > care.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> This unit also doesn't heat up evenly or quickly.

I've never thought about the speed at which the oven heats.
There's always plenty for me to do while it heats.

> It's a 10 year old Kenmore at a friend's home though, so they may have
> improved since then.
>
> The old gas ovens from the '60s were all hand scrub, iirc.
>
> A PITA!

Definitely. People who have those old stoves reconditioned
must not clean their own ovens.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:28:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 2:02:41 PM UTC-5, casa chevrolet wrote:
>> On 11/20/2017 11:24 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 4:22:04 AM UTC-10, Mark Storkamp wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You can slow cook in your oven, but I don't have any pans that would
>> >> keep the top of the pot hot if it was sitting on a simmer burner turned
>> >> on low. As for the cost, I consider any time my oven is on in the winter
>> >> months is free. The heat is staying in the house and keeping the furnace
>> >> from running as often.
>> >
>> > My guess is that a gas oven would be very comforting during the winter because it would provide water vapor as well as heat to the house. On the other hand, it kind of sucks in the tropic because it provides water vapor as well as heat to the kitchen. On the other hand, I have never operated a gas oven on the mainland during the winter so that's just a guess.
>> >
>>
>>
>> I'll share this much on them - not easy to clean, not too consistent on
>> temps, not my preference.
>
>Not easy to clean? I don't find it so. The sealed burners
>on the cooktop are very easy to clean; the oven is self-cleaning.
>Welcome to the 21st Century.
>
>Maybe inconsistent temps. I don't do fussy baking, so I don't
>care.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

The fuel type has no bearing whatsoever on oven temperature...
manufacturers install the same oven thermostat for gas and electric
units... same with home heating thermostats, no need to change it
whether gas, oil, or electric. However thermometers differ with oral
and anal. Didja know that oral temperature thermometers are rather
inaccurate... many old timey MDs insist that nurses use anal
thermometers... I've my own personal vaginal thermometer and it's as
accurate as any.

On 11/20/2017 1:38 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 3:30:11 PM UTC-5, casa chevrolet wrote:
>> On 11/20/2017 12:28 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 2:02:41 PM UTC-5, casa chevrolet wrote:
>>>> On 11/20/2017 11:24 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 4:22:04 AM UTC-10, Mark Storkamp wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can slow cook in your oven, but I don't have any pans that would
>>>>>> keep the top of the pot hot if it was sitting on a simmer burner turned
>>>>>> on low. As for the cost, I consider any time my oven is on in the winter
>>>>>> months is free. The heat is staying in the house and keeping the furnace
>>>>>> from running as often.
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess is that a gas oven would be very comforting during the winter because it would provide water vapor as well as heat to the house. On the other hand, it kind of sucks in the tropic because it provides water vapor as well as heat to the kitchen. On the other hand, I have never operated a gas oven on the mainland during the winter so that's just a guess.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll share this much on them - not easy to clean, not too consistent on
>>>> temps, not my preference.
>>>
>>> Not easy to clean? I don't find it so. The sealed burners
>>> on the cooktop are very easy to clean; the oven is self-cleaning.
>>> Welcome to the 21st Century.
>>
>> The burners were not my concern, the oven is.
>>
>> I do not find gas self-clean works as well as electric, by a significant
>> margin.
>
> I couldn't say. I haven't used an electric range in quite
> a while, and I find the self-cleaning feature on the gas oven
> to be satisfactory. It leaves a little fine, gray ash that
> wipes up easily.

That's what an good electric does, so perhaps they're even now.

>>> Maybe inconsistent temps. I don't do fussy baking, so I don't
>>> care.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> This unit also doesn't heat up evenly or quickly.
>
> I've never thought about the speed at which the oven heats.
> There's always plenty for me to do while it heats.

We like to use their Breville - now THAT is a sweet toaster oven.

>> It's a 10 year old Kenmore at a friend's home though, so they may have
>> improved since then.
>>
>> The old gas ovens from the '60s were all hand scrub, iirc.
>>
>> A PITA!
>
> Definitely. People who have those old stoves reconditioned
> must not clean their own ovens.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

No kidding, what a ton of work to do, and all of it with gloves, a mask
and goggles.

The lye oven sprays were lung eaters.

On 11/20/2017 1:39 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:28:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 2:02:41 PM UTC-5, casa chevrolet wrote:
>>> On 11/20/2017 11:24 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 4:22:04 AM UTC-10, Mark Storkamp wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You can slow cook in your oven, but I don't have any pans that would
>>>>> keep the top of the pot hot if it was sitting on a simmer burner turned
>>>>> on low. As for the cost, I consider any time my oven is on in the winter
>>>>> months is free. The heat is staying in the house and keeping the furnace
>>>>> from running as often.
>>>>
>>>> My guess is that a gas oven would be very comforting during the winter because it would provide water vapor as well as heat to the house. On the other hand, it kind of sucks in the tropic because it provides water vapor as well as heat to the kitchen. On the other hand, I have never operated a gas oven on the mainland during the winter so that's just a guess.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll share this much on them - not easy to clean, not too consistent on
>>> temps, not my preference.
>>
>> Not easy to clean? I don't find it so. The sealed burners
>> on the cooktop are very easy to clean; the oven is self-cleaning.
>> Welcome to the 21st Century.
>>
>> Maybe inconsistent temps. I don't do fussy baking, so I don't
>> care.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> The fuel type has no bearing whatsoever on oven temperature...

Ideally speaking...

> manufacturers install the same oven thermostat for gas and electric
> units... same with home heating thermostats, no need to change it
> whether gas, oil, or electric.

A given, yes.

But gas burners in an oven can be rather prone to hot and cold spots.

> However thermometers differ with oral
> and anal. Didja know that oral temperature thermometers are rather
> inaccurate... many old timey MDs insist that nurses use anal
> thermometers... I've my own personal vaginal thermometer and it's as
> accurate as any.

Wet bulb or dry?

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>>
>> Not easy to clean? I don't find it so. The sealed burners
>> on the cooktop are very easy to clean; the oven is self-cleaning.
>> Welcome to the 21st Century.
>>
>> Maybe inconsistent temps. I don't do fussy baking, so I don't
>> care.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> The fuel type has no bearing whatsoever on oven temperature...
> manufacturers install the same oven thermostat for gas and electric
> units... same with home heating thermostats, no need to change it
> whether gas, oil, or electric. However thermometers differ with oral
> and anal. Didja know that oral temperature thermometers are rather
> inaccurate... many old timey MDs insist that nurses use anal
> thermometers... I've my own personal vaginal thermometer and it's as
> accurate as any.
>

Yoose have a vagina? No wonder you hate gays