On 2017-11-26 10:30 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> Casa de feces wrote:
>>> Ontario farmers have produced 5.4 million litres of excess milk over the
>>> past several months, the Globe reports, 800,000 litres of which has been
>>> dumped into farm manure pits known as lagoons.
>>
>> They system is not perfect. That would be 1.4 million gallons, of which
>> 211,000 gallons was dumped. Meanwhile in the US, in the first 8 months
>> of 2016,US farmers dumped 43 million gallons,and that works out to 204
>> times as much milk being dumped in the US than Canada.
>
> There's something very wrong with that situation. There certainly
> must be some kind of solution to eliminate such waste.
>


We have a system of supply management through the Milk Marketing Board
which controls the price of milk and protects farmers from the
conglomerates. Production is controlled by means quotas, which the
farmers pay for. Canadian dairy farmers support the system because it
works.

Nancy Young wrote:
> Best of both worlds, mousse and pie

I always liked moose and squirrel

On 11/26/2017 8:30 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> Casa de feces wrote:
>>> Ontario farmers have produced 5.4 million litres of excess milk over the
>>> past several months, the Globe reports, 800,000 litres of which has been
>>> dumped into farm manure pits known as lagoons.
>>
>> They system is not perfect. That would be 1.4 million gallons, of which
>> 211,000 gallons was dumped. Meanwhile in the US, in the first 8 months
>> of 2016,US farmers dumped 43 million gallons,and that works out to 204
>> times as much milk being dumped in the US than Canada.
>
> There's something very wrong with that situation. There certainly
> must be some kind of solution to eliminate such waste.
>

Of course, they DUMP it in OUR market.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/33...mber-and-dairy

Trump described Canadas treatment of American dairy producers as a
€œdisgrace.€� That remark came in response to Canadas reduction in
domestic prices on milk products used to make cheese, which effectively
shut down demand for U.S. dairy products in the country.

As of Monday, about 75 contracts in Wisconsin will be canceled because
of the loss of business in Canada created by the price changes Canada
started making last year, which were finalized in February.

Meanwhile, farmers have been scrambling, some successfully, to find
other producers to buy their dairy products.

Dairy products have just as long a history in U.S. and Canadian fights
over trade.

U.S. producers have consistently argued that Canadian policies
effectively shut them out of the market.

€œThe issue there is that Canadas dairy market is heavily protected, and
there has been very little interest in opening it, although there would
have been some liberalization in the Trans-Pacific Partnership,€� Ikenson
said.

Canadas dairy industry is governed by a supply management system
created in the 1970s that keeps tariffs high on imports to protect the
market from foreign competition. It also applies strict production
quotas so farmers dont produce too much or too little and guarantees
fixed prices to producers.

A few years ago, U.S. dairy farmers found a loophole in Canadas dairy
tariffs that let them export ultra-filtered milk, which is usually used
for making cheese, into the country.

The National Milk Producers Federation argues that Canadas new pricing
policy may be a violation of trade rules between the two countries
because it uses a government-administered system to hurt the U.S. dairy
industry, €œundercutting our farmers exports and threatening to cause
great damage to world dairy prices by dumping Canadas surplus on the
world market.€�

Rep. Ron Kind (D-Wis.), who is talking to the Trump administration about
how to proceed, says the latest price controls on dairy violate NAFTA,
which the U.S., Canada and Mexico all say they want to renegotiate.

€œI am deeply concerned that these changes to Canadas milk system may
violate existing trade commitments by discouraging U.S. dairy exports to
Canada,€� Kind said in a letter to the Trump administration.

In the letter, Kind calls for Canadas €œhabitual protectionist diary
polices€� to be €œa top priority in the context of any NAFTA renegotiation.€�

On 11/26/2017 9:25 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-11-26 10:30 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> Casa de feces wrote:
>>>> Ontario farmers have produced 5.4 million litres of excess milk over
>>>> the
>>>> past several months, the Globe reports, 800,000 litres of which has
>>>> been
>>>> dumped into farm manure pits known as lagoons.
>>>
>>> They system is not perfect. That would be 1.4 million gallons, of which
>>> 211,000 gallons was dumped. Meanwhile in the US, in the first 8 months
>>> of 2016,US farmers dumped 43 million gallons,and that works out to 204
>>> times as much milk being dumped in the US than Canada.
>>
>> There's something very wrong with that situation. There certainly
>> must be some kind of solution to eliminate such waste.
>>
>
>
> We have a system of supply management through the Milk Marketing Board
> which controls the price of milk and protects farmers from the
> conglomerates.Â*Â* Production is controlled by means quotas, which the
> farmers pay for. Canadian dairy farmers support the system because it
> works.
>

What a load of BULLSHIT!


http://thehill.com/policy/finance/33...mber-and-dairy

Trump described Canadas treatment of American dairy producers as a
€œdisgrace.€� That remark came in response to Canadas reduction in
domestic prices on milk products used to make cheese, which effectively
shut down demand for U.S. dairy products in the country.

As of Monday, about 75 contracts in Wisconsin will be canceled because
of the loss of business in Canada created by the price changes Canada
started making last year, which were finalized in February.

Meanwhile, farmers have been scrambling, some successfully, to find
other producers to buy their dairy products.

Dairy products have just as long a history in U.S. and Canadian fights
over trade.

U.S. producers have consistently argued that Canadian policies
effectively shut them out of the market.

€œThe issue there is that Canadas dairy market is heavily protected, and
there has been very little interest in opening it, although there would
have been some liberalization in the Trans-Pacific Partnership,€� Ikenson
said.

Canadas dairy industry is governed by a supply management system
created in the 1970s that keeps tariffs high on imports to protect the
market from foreign competition. It also applies strict production
quotas so farmers dont produce too much or too little and guarantees
fixed prices to producers.

A few years ago, U.S. dairy farmers found a loophole in Canadas dairy
tariffs that let them export ultra-filtered milk, which is usually used
for making cheese, into the country.

The National Milk Producers Federation argues that Canadas new pricing
policy may be a violation of trade rules between the two countries
because it uses a government-administered system to hurt the U.S. dairy
industry, €œundercutting our farmers exports and threatening to cause
great damage to world dairy prices by dumping Canadas surplus on the
world market.€�

Rep. Ron Kind (D-Wis.), who is talking to the Trump administration about
how to proceed, says the latest price controls on dairy violate NAFTA,
which the U.S., Canada and Mexico all say they want to renegotiate.

€œI am deeply concerned that these changes to Canadas milk system may
violate existing trade commitments by discouraging U.S. dairy exports to
Canada,€� Kind said in a letter to the Trump administration.

In the letter, Kind calls for Canadas €œhabitual protectionist diary
polices€� to be €œa top priority in the context of any NAFTA renegotiation.€�

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:30:47 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> Casa de feces wrote:
>> > Ontario farmers have produced 5.4 million litres of excess milk over the
>> > past several months, the Globe reports, 800,000 litres of which has been
>> > dumped into farm manure pits known as lagoons.
>>
>> They system is not perfect. That would be 1.4 million gallons, of which
>> 211,000 gallons was dumped. Meanwhile in the US, in the first 8 months
>> of 2016,US farmers dumped 43 million gallons,and that works out to 204
>> times as much milk being dumped in the US than Canada.
>
>There's something very wrong with that situation. There certainly
>must be some kind of solution to eliminate such waste.

Agreed - even if it was powdered and sent elsewhere where needed.

On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 2:30:12 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Certainly "to each their own", but what I like about chocolate cream pie
> is the combination of crisp pie shell, dense and creamy chocolate filling,
> and fluffy whipped cream.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Oddly enough, that kind of pie is popular over here - except we add a coconut layer. Haupia pie.

http://www.hawaiimagazine.com/blogs/...pia_pie_recipe

On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:41 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Yrs, where is Ronnie Reagan when we need him? My FIL used to go to a
> senour center a couple of times a week and they gave out the cheese. It
> was better than most of the supermarket stuff.

I got it once when they were passing it out in the park across from our house. I could not believe that it was free. Five pounds of free food. That was the best day in my life.

On 2017-11-26 5:37 PM, Casa de perritos felices wrote:
> On 11/26/2017 3:25 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-11-26 12:56 PM, wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:30:47 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>

> The Appellate Body found that Canadas €œcommercial export milk€� scheme
> provides an export subsidy, in the form of discounted milk, to Canadian
> businesses that process cheese and other dairy products. The WTO
> findings establish an important precedent that will help prevent other
> countries from adopting similar export subsidy schemes harmful to U.S.
> agricultural industries.
>

The ruling was the Canada's putting the stuff on the market at a lower
price was a subsidy. It does not subsidize dairy famers.



Face is. The US dairy business is suffering because of overproduction.
Farmers can't sell their milk and processors can use up all the surplus.
Supply management keeps the supply and the prices stable.

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:57:48 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-11-26 5:37 PM, Casa de perritos felices wrote:
>> On 11/26/2017 3:25 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2017-11-26 12:56 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:30:47 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>>
>
>> The Appellate Body found that Canada’s “commercial export milk” scheme
>> provides an export subsidy, in the form of discounted milk, to Canadian
>> businesses that process cheese and other dairy products. The WTO
>> findings establish an important precedent that will help prevent other
>> countries from adopting similar export subsidy schemes harmful to U.S.
>> agricultural industries.
>>
>
>The ruling was the Canada's putting the stuff on the market at a lower
>price was a subsidy. It does not subsidize dairy famers.
>
>
>
>Face is. The US dairy business is suffering because of overproduction.
>Farmers can't sell their milk and processors can use up all the surplus.
>Supply management keeps the supply and the prices stable.

You're talking to a child. "My country's the best country in the
world, we're always right and everybody else is always wrong!" So much
for the political views of the Casa Boner Troll. Dumb, predictable and
boring.

On 11/26/2017 5:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
>
> Face is. The US dairy business is suffering because of overproduction.
> Farmers can't sell their milk and processors can use up all the surplus.
> Supply management keeps the supply and the prices stable.

And dairy farmers want to be dairy farmers even if the can't sell what
they have. I hear it around here all the time. My great grandfather
was a (farmer, dairy farmer, fisherman, lobsterman, etc) as was my
grandfather, father and I want to be one too. Supply and demand has
nothing to do with it. The ability to make a living has nothing to do
with it.

On 11/26/2017 3:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-11-26 5:37 PM, Casa de perritos felices wrote:
>> On 11/26/2017 3:25 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2017-11-26 12:56 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:30:47 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>>
>
>> The Appellate Body found that Canadas €œcommercial export milk€� scheme
>> provides an export subsidy, in the form of discounted milk, to
>> Canadian businesses that process cheese and other dairy products. The
>> WTO findings establish an important precedent that will help prevent
>> other countries from adopting similar export subsidy schemes harmful
>> to U.S. agricultural industries.
>>
>
> The ruling was the Canada's putting the stuff on the market at a lower
> price was a subsidy. It does not subsidize dairy famers.

Lol, of COURSE it does!

> Face is.

Face?

> The US dairy business is suffering because of overproduction.

And not Canadia?

Lol.


> Farmers can't sell their milk and processors can use up all the surplus.
> Supply management keeps the supply and the prices stable.

You've been TPP'd into dullardry.

On 11/26/2017 4:03 PM, Bruze wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:57:48 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2017-11-26 5:37 PM, Casa de perritos felices wrote:
>>> On 11/26/2017 3:25 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2017-11-26 12:56 PM, wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:30:47 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>>>
>>
>>> The Appellate Body found that Canadas €œcommercial export milk€� scheme
>>> provides an export subsidy, in the form of discounted milk, to Canadian
>>> businesses that process cheese and other dairy products. The WTO
>>> findings establish an important precedent that will help prevent other
>>> countries from adopting similar export subsidy schemes harmful to U.S.
>>> agricultural industries.
>>>
>>
>> The ruling was the Canada's putting the stuff on the market at a lower
>> price was a subsidy. It does not subsidize dairy famers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Face is. The US dairy business is suffering because of overproduction.
>> Farmers can't sell their milk and processors can use up all the surplus.
>> Supply management keeps the supply and the prices stable.
>
> You're talking to a child.

Your acting like one.

> "My country's the best country in the
> world, we're always right and everybody else is always wrong!"

No one or thing gets "always".

Even US!

> So much
> for the political views of the Casa Boner Troll. Dumb, predictable and
> boring.

And the initiator of your jealousy.

As ever.

On 11/26/2017 7:13 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/26/2017 5:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Face is. The US dairy business is suffering because of overproduction.
>> Farmers can't sell their milk and processors can use up all the
>> surplus. Supply management keeps the supply and the prices stable.
>
> And dairy farmers want to be dairy farmers even if the can't sell what
> they have.Â* I hear it around here all the time.Â* My great grandfather
> was a (farmer, dairy farmer, fisherman, lobsterman, etc) as was my
> grandfather, father and I want to be one too.Â* Supply and demand has
> nothing to do with it.Â* The ability to make a living has nothing to do
> with it.


Hah.

The passion argument.

Now explain subsidies.

On 2017-11-26 7:53 PM, Casa de perritos felices wrote:
> On 11/26/2017 7:13 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 11/26/2017 5:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Face is. The US dairy business is suffering because of
>>> overproduction. Farmers can't sell their milk and processors can use
>>> up all the surplus. Supply management keeps the supply and the prices
>>> stable.
>>
>> And dairy farmers want to be dairy farmers even if the can't sell what
>> they have.Â* I hear it around here all the time.Â* My great grandfather
>> was a (farmer, dairy farmer, fisherman, lobsterman, etc) as was my
>> grandfather, father and I want to be one too.Â* Supply and demand has
>> nothing to do with it.Â* The ability to make a living has nothing to do
>> with it.
>
>
> Hah.
>
> The passion argument.
>
> Now explain subsidies.

http://tiny.cc/u344oy

On 11/26/2017 8:16 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-11-26 7:53 PM, Casa de perritos felices wrote:
>> On 11/26/2017 7:13 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 11/26/2017 5:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Face is. The US dairy business is suffering because of
>>>> overproduction. Farmers can't sell their milk and processors can use
>>>> up all the surplus. Supply management keeps the supply and the
>>>> prices stable.
>>>
>>> And dairy farmers want to be dairy farmers even if the can't sell
>>> what they have.Â* I hear it around here all the time.Â* My great
>>> grandfather was a (farmer, dairy farmer, fisherman, lobsterman, etc)
>>> as was my grandfather, father and I want to be one too.Â* Supply and
>>> demand has nothing to do with it.Â* The ability to make a living has
>>> nothing to do with it.
>>
>>
>> Hah.
>>
>> The passion argument.
>>
>> Now explain subsidies.
>
> http://tiny.cc/u344oy


And YOU have none?

It is to laugh!

On 11/26/2017 9:53 PM, Casa de perritos felices wrote:
> On 11/26/2017 7:13 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 11/26/2017 5:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Face is. The US dairy business is suffering because of
>>> overproduction. Farmers can't sell their milk and processors can use
>>> up all the surplus. Supply management keeps the supply and the prices
>>> stable.
>>
>> And dairy farmers want to be dairy farmers even if the can't sell what
>> they have.Â* I hear it around here all the time.Â* My great grandfather
>> was a (farmer, dairy farmer, fisherman, lobsterman, etc) as was my
>> grandfather, father and I want to be one too.Â* Supply and demand has
>> nothing to do with it.Â* The ability to make a living has nothing to do
>> with it.
>
>
> Hah.
>
> The passion argument.
>
> Now explain subsidies.

I can't. Nor can anyone else from what I've read about them. Seems
like a fleecing of the taxpayer promoted by lobbyists.

The passion argument goes to many careers. You can graduate from
college with a degree in 4th century Greek sculpture, have $60,000 in
student loans and wonder why you cant get a job. But i wanted to study
Greek sculpture.

At various times the government was buying out fishing boats, cows, farm
fields to control production. I don't think it worked.

On 11/27/2017 6:28 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/26/2017 9:53 PM, Casa de perritos felices wrote:
>> On 11/26/2017 7:13 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 11/26/2017 5:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Face is. The US dairy business is suffering because of
>>>> overproduction. Farmers can't sell their milk and processors can use
>>>> up all the surplus. Supply management keeps the supply and the
>>>> prices stable.
>>>
>>> And dairy farmers want to be dairy farmers even if the can't sell
>>> what they have.Â* I hear it around here all the time.Â* My great
>>> grandfather was a (farmer, dairy farmer, fisherman, lobsterman, etc)
>>> as was my grandfather, father and I want to be one too.Â* Supply and
>>> demand has nothing to do with it.Â* The ability to make a living has
>>> nothing to do with it.
>>
>>
>> Hah.
>>
>> The passion argument.
>>
>> Now explain subsidies.
>
> I can't.Â* Nor can anyone else from what I've read about them.

I can.

> Seems
> like a fleecing of the taxpayer promoted by lobbyists.

Until you factor in the strategic import of viable local food producers.

It's a harshly seasonal industry too, so there's another risk factor
aside from import dumping.

Not a great answer, but a rational one.

> The passion argument goes to many careers.Â* You can graduate from
> college with a degree in 4th century Greek sculpture, have $60,000 in
> student loans and wonder why you cant get a job.Â* But i wanted to study
> Greek sculpture.

Yes.

> At various times the government was buying out fishing boats, cows, farm
> fields to control production. I don't think it worked.

Unless you can gauge the efficacy by the continued viability of said
businesses and industries.

Consider, how much strategic disadvantage is a nation at which can not
locally produce its own foodstuffs?

If we value sovereignty and accept that this is still a global
marketplace (now more than ever) then subsidy and trade tariffs have to
(at times) make some sense.

It's when they become eternal entitlements that we suffer.