Anyone miss me? I blew a computer Friday and am in resetup mode with
XanaNews. (Freeware, not as spiffy as some but easier and flexible
enough for me).

Need to fix my display name back to what you folks expect to see and
then fix some coloration that makes things easier to read. Then fix my
bozo-bin handling of course ;-)
Carol

On 12/17/2017 12:17 PM, wrote:
> Anyone miss me? I blew a computer Friday and am in resetup mode with
> XanaNews. (Freeware, not as spiffy as some but easier and flexible
> enough for me).
>
> Need to fix my display name back to what you folks expect to see and
> then fix some coloration that makes things easier to read. Then fix my
> bozo-bin handling of course ;-)

Bummer about the computer but nice to have a new one ... except
it's kind of a misery to get things working the way you want.

And the joy of the new version of OS. Grrrr

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/17/2017 12:17 PM, wrote:
>> Anyone miss me? I blew a computer Friday and am in resetup mode with
>> XanaNews. (Freeware, not as spiffy as some but easier and flexible
>> enough for me).
>>
>> Need to fix my display name back to what you folks expect to see and
>> then fix some coloration that makes things easier to read. Then fix my
>> bozo-bin handling of course ;-)
>
> Bummer about the computer but nice to have a new one ... except
> it's kind of a misery to get things working the way you want.
>
> And the joy of the new version of OS. Grrrr
>
> nancy

That's why I keep putting off giving up Vista and Win7 even though there are
no upgrades for Vista anymore. I don't need them.

Cheri

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 7:43:18 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> Bummer about the computer but nice to have a new one ... except
> it's kind of a misery to get things working the way you want.
>
> And the joy of the new version of OS. Grrrr
>
> nancy

It takes me 5 minutes to make a computer my computer - if that computer uses Chrome OS. Using Windows is a pretty joyless experience. It's so awful, that it's kinda funny.

On 12/17/2017 11:54 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 7:43:18 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> Bummer about the computer but nice to have a new one ... except
>> it's kind of a misery to get things working the way you want.
>>
>> And the joy of the new version of OS. Grrrr
>>
>> nancy
>
> It takes me 5 minutes to make a computer my computer - if that computer uses Chrome OS. Using Windows is a pretty joyless experience. It's so awful, that it's kinda funny.
>

Dang, it's actually leagues better than it was when they force-birthed
W10 upon us as conscripted beta testers.

Now THAT truly sucked!

Ever try Linux desktops of any flavor?

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 7:43:18 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> Bummer about the computer but nice to have a new one ... except
>> it's kind of a misery to get things working the way you want.
>>
>> And the joy of the new version of OS. Grrrr
>>
>> nancy
>
> It takes me 5 minutes to make a computer my computer - if that computer
> uses Chrome OS. Using Windows is a pretty joyless experience. It's so
> awful, that it's kinda funny.

====

I really think my next computer will be a Chrome. I had not trouble at all
with it before giving it to my brother, very easy.

Cheri

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 8:56:36 AM UTC-10, Casa del Sol naciente wrote:
>
> Dang, it's actually leagues better than it was when they force-birthed
> W10 upon us as conscripted beta testers.
>
> Now THAT truly sucked!
>
> Ever try Linux desktops of any flavor?

Yes I have. The Linux geeks had something special there but they blew it. They could have taken over the computer world. OTOH, Linux is the most popular OS in the world. It's kernel is at the heart of the Android/Chrome OSes.

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:05:18 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>
> I really think my next computer will be a Chrome. I had not trouble at all
> with it before giving it to my brother, very easy.
>
> Cheri

I have to use Windows for work and I just hate turning on that power switch. You just never know if it's going to turn on or start another grueling update cycle.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 7:43:18 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> Bummer about the computer but nice to have a new one ... except
> it's kind of a misery to get things working the way you want.
>
> And the joy of the new version of OS. Grrrr
>
> nancy

It takes me 5 minutes to make a computer my computer - if that computer uses
Chrome OS. Using Windows is a pretty joyless experience. It's so awful, that
it's kinda funny.

===

I always avoided Win10. When my last computer died, I searched around the
second hand shops to get one with Win7 on it. It wasn't easy but I found
this one. It is old too and not too great. As you know it doesn't do
chevrons properly. <sigh>

Who knows what I will need to get next I guess I might have to follow you
down the ... what is it you use?



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 7:43:18 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> Bummer about the computer but nice to have a new one ... except
>> it's kind of a misery to get things working the way you want.
>>
>> And the joy of the new version of OS. Grrrr
>>
>> nancy
>
> It takes me 5 minutes to make a computer my computer - if that computer
> uses Chrome OS. Using Windows is a pretty joyless experience. It's so
> awful, that it's kinda funny.

====

I really think my next computer will be a Chrome. I had not trouble at all
with it before giving it to my brother, very easy.

Cheri

==

Tell me something about Chrome please?



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 12/17/2017 12:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 8:56:36 AM UTC-10, Casa del Sol naciente wrote:
>>
>> Dang, it's actually leagues better than it was when they force-birthed
>> W10 upon us as conscripted beta testers.
>>
>> Now THAT truly sucked!
>>
>> Ever try Linux desktops of any flavor?
>
> Yes I have. The Linux geeks had something special there but they blew it. They could have taken over the computer world. OTOH, Linux is the most popular OS in the world. It's kernel is at the heart of the Android/Chrome OSes.
>

Well I gotta tell you, the GUI enhancements and command line banishment
of the new desktops are darned impressive.

Ubunto, Mint, there's some good stuff out there now.

On 12/17/2017 12:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:05:18 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> I really think my next computer will be a Chrome. I had not trouble at all
>> with it before giving it to my brother, very easy.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I have to use Windows for work and I just hate turning on that power switch. You just never know if it's going to turn on or start another grueling update cycle.
>

Point.

But they seem to have defaulted to afternoon or early evening now.

'Bout time too.

On 12/17/2017 12:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1"Â* wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 7:43:18 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> Bummer about the computer but nice to have a new one ... except
>> it's kind of a misery to get things working the way you want.
>>
>> And the joy of the new version of OS.Â*Â* Grrrr
>>
>> nancy
>
> It takes me 5 minutes to make a computer my computer - if that computer
> uses Chrome OS. Using Windows is a pretty joyless experience. It's so
> awful, that it's kinda funny.
>
> ===
>
> I always avoided Win10. When my last computer died, I searched around
> the second hand shops to get one with Win7 on it.Â* It wasn't easy but I
> found this one.Â* It is old too and not too great. As you know it doesn't
> do chevrons properly.Â* <sigh>
>
> Who knows what I will need to get nextÂ* I guess I might have to follow
> you down the ... what is it you use?
>
>
>

He's a Chrome guy.

....shiny too, lol...

"Casa del Sol naciente" wrote in message
news
On 12/17/2017 12:31 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 7:43:18 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> Bummer about the computer but nice to have a new one ... except
>> it's kind of a misery to get things working the way you want.
>>
>> And the joy of the new version of OS. Grrrr
>>
>> nancy
>
> It takes me 5 minutes to make a computer my computer - if that computer
> uses Chrome OS. Using Windows is a pretty joyless experience. It's so
> awful, that it's kinda funny.
>
> ===
>
> I always avoided Win10. When my last computer died, I searched around the
> second hand shops to get one with Win7 on it. It wasn't easy but I found
> this one. It is old too and not too great. As you know it doesn't do
> chevrons properly. <sigh>
>
> Who knows what I will need to get next I guess I might have to follow
> you down the ... what is it you use?
>
>
>

He's a Chrome guy.

....shiny too, lol...

==

Hmmm I've only seen him once, in shopping trolley (er cart) He wasn't too
shiny then ;-)



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>
> I always avoided Win10. When my last computer died, I searched around the
> second hand shops to get one with Win7 on it. It wasn't easy but I found
> this one. It is old too and not too great. As you know it doesn't do
> chevrons properly. <sigh>
>
> Who knows what I will need to get next I guess I might have to follow you
> down the ... what is it you use?
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

It's a Chromebook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-Vnx58UYo

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 2:27:57 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:05:18 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >
> > I really think my next computer will be a Chrome. I had not trouble at all
> > with it before giving it to my brother, very easy.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> I have to use Windows for work and I just hate turning on that power switch. You just never know if it's going to turn on or start another grueling update cycle.

My PC gets updates overnight, reboots, and it's good to go the next morning
when I come in. OTOH, I never power it down because it's where we do our
nightly software build.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 2:34:25 PM UTC-5, Casa del Sol naciente wrote:
> On 12/17/2017 12:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 8:56:36 AM UTC-10, Casa del Sol naciente wrote:
> >>
> >> Dang, it's actually leagues better than it was when they force-birthed
> >> W10 upon us as conscripted beta testers.
> >>
> >> Now THAT truly sucked!
> >>
> >> Ever try Linux desktops of any flavor?
> >
> > Yes I have. The Linux geeks had something special there but they blew it. They could have taken over the computer world. OTOH, Linux is the most popular OS in the world. It's kernel is at the heart of the Android/Chrome OSes.
> >
>
> Well I gotta tell you, the GUI enhancements and command line banishment
> of the new desktops are darned impressive.
>
> Ubunto, Mint, there's some good stuff out there now.

But the command line is still there for people who appreciate the
power and beauty of the shell.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2017-12-17 2:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:05:18 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:

>> I really think my next computer will be a Chrome. I had not trouble
>> at all with it before giving it to my brother, very easy.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I have to use Windows for work and I just hate turning on that power
> switch. You just never know if it's going to turn on or start another
> grueling update cycle.


I had a couple of those on my laptop last week. I was trying to shut
down one night and it decided it was going to update and shut off.... do
not turn computer off. I was upstairs watching TV and the wifi signal
is a little weaker there so I brought it downstairs and sat it on the
table by my desk top. After it had run for about an hour it had achieved
all of 3% of the update. The next time I booted up it had to complete
the update. A few days later I had to take my car to the dealership for
some work and brought my laptop along to keep my occupied. I had not
even had a chance to log on to their wifi when it started another
update. That one took about 15 minutes. I would hate to be using one
for something important at work and to have it start an update.

On 12/17/2017 1:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 2:34:25 PM UTC-5, Casa del Sol naciente wrote:
>> On 12/17/2017 12:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 8:56:36 AM UTC-10, Casa del Sol naciente wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dang, it's actually leagues better than it was when they force-birthed
>>>> W10 upon us as conscripted beta testers.
>>>>
>>>> Now THAT truly sucked!
>>>>
>>>> Ever try Linux desktops of any flavor?
>>>
>>> Yes I have. The Linux geeks had something special there but they blew it. They could have taken over the computer world. OTOH, Linux is the most popular OS in the world. It's kernel is at the heart of the Android/Chrome OSes.
>>>
>>
>> Well I gotta tell you, the GUI enhancements and command line banishment
>> of the new desktops are darned impressive.
>>
>> Ubunto, Mint, there's some good stuff out there now.
>
> But the command line is still there for people who appreciate the
> power and beauty of the shell.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Absolutely yes, it is.

You just have the luxury of a desktop GUI that sublimates it.

Best of both worlds, no?

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 19:31:47 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"dsi1" wrote in message
...
>
>On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 7:43:18 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> Bummer about the computer but nice to have a new one ... except
>> it's kind of a misery to get things working the way you want.
>>
>> And the joy of the new version of OS. Grrrr
>>
>> nancy
>
>It takes me 5 minutes to make a computer my computer - if that computer uses
>Chrome OS. Using Windows is a pretty joyless experience. It's so awful, that
>it's kinda funny.
>
>===
>
>I always avoided Win10. When my last computer died, I searched around the
>second hand shops to get one with Win7 on it. It wasn't easy but I found
>this one.

You can buy just about any pc and put just about any version of
Windows on it.


>It is old too and not too great. As you know it doesn't do
>chevrons properly. <sigh>

The idea that Windows 7 can't do "chevrons" properly is mind boggling!

On 2017-12-17 12:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> I always avoided Win10. When my last computer died, I searched around the
>> second hand shops to get one with Win7 on it. It wasn't easy but I found
>> this one. It is old too and not too great. As you know it doesn't do
>> chevrons properly. <sigh>
>>
>> Who knows what I will need to get next I guess I might have to follow you
>> down the ... what is it you use?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>
> It's a Chromebook.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-Vnx58UYo
>
I don't know why W10 is unpopular here. I have had no problems except
for a time when Edge wouldn't load and now I use that instead of Chrome
for certain things. OTOH, anything I have or have had running Android
has been a real PITA.

On 12/17/2017 1:23 PM, Bruce wrote:

>> It is old too and not too great. As you know it doesn't do
>> chevrons properly. <sigh>
>
> The idea that Windows 7 can't do "chevrons" properly is mind boggling!
>
But it does:

^ ^ ^ ^

On 12/17/2017 1:25 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-12-17 12:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> I always avoided Win10. When my last computer died, I searched around
>>> the
>>> second hand shops to get one with Win7 on it.Â* It wasn't easy but I
>>> found
>>> this one.Â* It is old too and not too great. As you know it doesn't do
>>> chevrons properly.Â* <sigh>
>>>
>>> Who knows what I will need to get nextÂ* I guess I might have to
>>> follow you
>>> down the ... what is it you use?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>>
>> It's a Chromebook.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-Vnx58UYo
>>
> I don't know why W10 is unpopular here. I have had no problems except
> for a time when Edge wouldn't load and now I use that instead of Chrome
> for certain things. OTOH, anything I have or have had running Android
> has been a real PITA.

For phone it's been OK, getting better too.

For tablet, not so much.

PC - no clue.

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:34:25 AM UTC-10, Casa del Sol naciente wrote:
>
> Well I gotta tell you, the GUI enhancements and command line banishment
> of the new desktops are darned impressive.
>
> Ubunto, Mint, there's some good stuff out there now.

That might be the solution for people with old computers that want to move away from Windows. I might try Linux yet again if a spare clunker of a desktop machine comes my way. OTOH, if I wanted a desktop system, I'd probably just dump the old hardware and get a Chromebox.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:25:33 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 2017-12-17 12:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> I always avoided Win10. When my last computer died, I searched around the
>>> second hand shops to get one with Win7 on it. It wasn't easy but I found
>>> this one. It is old too and not too great. As you know it doesn't do
>>> chevrons properly. <sigh>
>>>
>>> Who knows what I will need to get next I guess I might have to follow you
>>> down the ... what is it you use?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>>
>> It's a Chromebook.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-Vnx58UYo
>>
>I don't know why W10 is unpopular here. I have had no problems except
>for a time when Edge wouldn't load and now I use that instead of Chrome
>for certain things. OTOH, anything I have or have had running Android
>has been a real PITA.

People like to come across special or unique. One way to achieve that
is to express hatred for the operating system most people use on their
PCs. Windows 10 works fine for me.

On 12/17/2017 1:28 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:34:25 AM UTC-10, Casa del Sol naciente wrote:
>>
>> Well I gotta tell you, the GUI enhancements and command line banishment
>> of the new desktops are darned impressive.
>>
>> Ubunto, Mint, there's some good stuff out there now.
>
> That might be the solution for people with old computers that want to move away from Windows. I might try Linux yet again if a spare clunker of a desktop machine comes my way. OTOH, if I wanted a desktop system, I'd probably just dump the old hardware and get a Chromebox.
>


Remember you can run various OS's on partitions using:

https://www.virtualbox.org/

VirtualBox is a powerful x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtualization product
for enterprise as well as home use. Not only is VirtualBox an extremely
feature rich, high performance product for enterprise customers, it is
also the only professional solution that is freely available as Open
Source Software under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL)
version 2. See "About VirtualBox" for an introduction.

Presently, VirtualBox runs on Windows, Linux, Macintosh, and Solaris
hosts and supports a large number of guest operating systems including
but not limited to Windows (NT 4.0, 2000, XP, Server 2003, Vista,
Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 10), DOS/Windows 3.x, Linux (2.4, 2.6, 3.x
and 4.x), Solaris and OpenSolaris, OS/2, and OpenBSD.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:25:33 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 2017-12-17 12:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> I always avoided Win10. When my last computer died, I searched around the
>>> second hand shops to get one with Win7 on it. It wasn't easy but I found
>>> this one. It is old too and not too great. As you know it doesn't do
>>> chevrons properly. <sigh>
>>>
>>> Who knows what I will need to get next I guess I might have to follow you
>>> down the ... what is it you use?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>>
>> It's a Chromebook.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-Vnx58UYo
>>
>I don't know why W10 is unpopular here. I have had no problems except
>for a time when Edge wouldn't load and now I use that instead of Chrome
>for certain things. OTOH, anything I have or have had running Android
>has been a real PITA.

Once I got everything sorted my way on W10, I'm happy enough with it.
I don't, won't, use Edge, much prefer FF.

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 10:25:38 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> I don't know why W10 is unpopular here. I have had no problems except
> for a time when Edge wouldn't load and now I use that instead of Chrome
> for certain things. OTOH, anything I have or have had running Android
> has been a real PITA.

The problem for me with Windows is the high price of the hardware, the high power consumption of the processors, the long wait time to boot up, the need for anti-virus programs, the vulnerability to malware, the software bloat and heavy system resource requirements of the OS, and the long wait time just to shut down. Other than that, everything's just wonderful.

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 10:31:05 AM UTC-10, Casa del Sol naciente wrote:
> On 12/17/2017 1:28 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:34:25 AM UTC-10, Casa del Sol naciente wrote:
> >>
> >> Well I gotta tell you, the GUI enhancements and command line banishment
> >> of the new desktops are darned impressive.
> >>
> >> Ubunto, Mint, there's some good stuff out there now.
> >
> > That might be the solution for people with old computers that want to move away from Windows. I might try Linux yet again if a spare clunker of a desktop machine comes my way. OTOH, if I wanted a desktop system, I'd probably just dump the old hardware and get a Chromebox.
> >
>
>
> Remember you can run various OS's on partitions using:
>
> https://www.virtualbox.org/
>
> VirtualBox is a powerful x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtualization product
> for enterprise as well as home use. Not only is VirtualBox an extremely
> feature rich, high performance product for enterprise customers, it is
> also the only professional solution that is freely available as Open
> Source Software under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL)
> version 2. See "About VirtualBox" for an introduction.
>
> Presently, VirtualBox runs on Windows, Linux, Macintosh, and Solaris
> hosts and supports a large number of guest operating systems including
> but not limited to Windows (NT 4.0, 2000, XP, Server 2003, Vista,
> Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 10), DOS/Windows 3.x, Linux (2.4, 2.6, 3.x
> and 4.x), Solaris and OpenSolaris, OS/2, and OpenBSD.

I have used Linux on a dual boot system about 10 years ago. I didn't like it much.

On 12/17/2017 1:38 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 10:25:38 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
>> I don't know why W10 is unpopular here. I have had no problems except
>> for a time when Edge wouldn't load and now I use that instead of Chrome
>> for certain things. OTOH, anything I have or have had running Android
>> has been a real PITA.
>
> The problem for me with Windows is the high price of the hardware, the high power consumption of the processors, the long wait time to boot up, the need for anti-virus programs, the vulnerability to malware, the software bloat and heavy system resource requirements of the OS, and the long wait time just to shut down. Other than that, everything's just wonderful.
>

I have to say the tiles and apps from their store are quite enjoyable, ftmp.

It was a thin selection at first, but not now.

Their weather app is as good or better as any 3rd party program I've
ever used, and that includes the mid 90s iterations of weather underground.

On 12/17/2017 1:41 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 10:31:05 AM UTC-10, Casa del Sol naciente wrote:
>> On 12/17/2017 1:28 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:34:25 AM UTC-10, Casa del Sol naciente wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well I gotta tell you, the GUI enhancements and command line banishment
>>>> of the new desktops are darned impressive.
>>>>
>>>> Ubunto, Mint, there's some good stuff out there now.
>>>
>>> That might be the solution for people with old computers that want to move away from Windows. I might try Linux yet again if a spare clunker of a desktop machine comes my way. OTOH, if I wanted a desktop system, I'd probably just dump the old hardware and get a Chromebox.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Remember you can run various OS's on partitions using:
>>
>> https://www.virtualbox.org/
>>
>> VirtualBox is a powerful x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtualization product
>> for enterprise as well as home use. Not only is VirtualBox an extremely
>> feature rich, high performance product for enterprise customers, it is
>> also the only professional solution that is freely available as Open
>> Source Software under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL)
>> version 2. See "About VirtualBox" for an introduction.
>>
>> Presently, VirtualBox runs on Windows, Linux, Macintosh, and Solaris
>> hosts and supports a large number of guest operating systems including
>> but not limited to Windows (NT 4.0, 2000, XP, Server 2003, Vista,
>> Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 10), DOS/Windows 3.x, Linux (2.4, 2.6, 3.x
>> and 4.x), Solaris and OpenSolaris, OS/2, and OpenBSD.
>
> I have used Linux on a dual boot system about 10 years ago. I didn't like it much.
>

How about:

https://www.pendrivelinux.com/

https://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-m...t-usb-creator/

https://www.pendrivelinux.com/put-ub...using-windows/

They work rather well.

On 2017-12-17 1:38 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:25:33 -0700, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2017-12-17 12:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I always avoided Win10. When my last computer died, I searched around the
>>>> second hand shops to get one with Win7 on it. It wasn't easy but I found
>>>> this one. It is old too and not too great. As you know it doesn't do
>>>> chevrons properly. <sigh>
>>>>
>>>> Who knows what I will need to get next I guess I might have to follow you
>>>> down the ... what is it you use?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>>>
>>> It's a Chromebook.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-Vnx58UYo
>>>
>> I don't know why W10 is unpopular here. I have had no problems except
>> for a time when Edge wouldn't load and now I use that instead of Chrome
>> for certain things. OTOH, anything I have or have had running Android
>> has been a real PITA.
>
> Once I got everything sorted my way on W10, I'm happy enough with it.
> I don't, won't, use Edge, much prefer FF.
>
I use FF most of the time but it is set so that it won't open FB Social
(or something like that). If I want to read the e-mailed comments to
Post Media articles, I use Edge, which now it is working, is very good.
I use Explorer for banking as it shows that the VPN is working.

On 2017-12-17 1:38 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 10:25:38 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
>> I don't know why W10 is unpopular here. I have had no problems except
>> for a time when Edge wouldn't load and now I use that instead of Chrome
>> for certain things. OTOH, anything I have or have had running Android
>> has been a real PITA.
>
> The problem for me with Windows is the high price of the hardware, the high power consumption of the processors, the long wait time to boot up, the need for anti-virus programs, the vulnerability to malware, the software bloat and heavy system resource requirements of the OS, and the long wait time just to shut down. Other than that, everything's just wonderful.
>
Not my experience at all. Also, a number of techies told me that Windows
Defender with a router is sufficient and that I don't need 3rd party AV
software.

On 12/17/2017 2:02 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-12-17 1:38 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 10:25:38 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
>>> I don't know why W10 is unpopular here. I have had no problems except
>>> for a time when Edge wouldn't load and now I use that instead of Chrome
>>> for certain things. OTOH, anything I have or have had running Android
>>> has been a real PITA.
>>
>> The problem for me with Windows is the high price of the hardware, the
>> high power consumption of the processors, the long wait time to boot
>> up, the need for anti-virus programs, the vulnerability to malware,
>> the software bloat and heavy system resource requirements of the OS,
>> and the long wait time just to shut down. Other than that,
>> everything's just wonderful.
>>
> Not my experience at all. Also, a number of techies told me that Windows
> Defender with a router is sufficient and that I don't need 3rd party AV
> software.


Some good free ones if you decide you do - AVG, AVira, etc.

Nancy Young wrote:

> On 12/17/2017 12:17 PM, wrote:
> > Anyone miss me? I blew a computer Friday and am in resetup mode with
> > XanaNews. (Freeware, not as spiffy as some but easier and flexible
> > enough for me).
> >
> > Need to fix my display name back to what you folks expect to see and
> > then fix some coloration that makes things easier to read. Then fix
> > my bozo-bin handling of course ;-)
>
> Bummer about the computer but nice to have a new one ... except
> it's kind of a misery to get things working the way you want.
>
> And the joy of the new version of OS. Grrrr
>
> nancy

Yeah, WIN10 if 'interestng' to say the least. They hide everything on
you.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 15:35:45 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> On 12/17/2017 12:17 PM, wrote:
>> > Anyone miss me? I blew a computer Friday and am in resetup mode with
>> > XanaNews. (Freeware, not as spiffy as some but easier and flexible
>> > enough for me).
>> >
>> > Need to fix my display name back to what you folks expect to see and
>> > then fix some coloration that makes things easier to read. Then fix
>> > my bozo-bin handling of course ;-)
>>
>> Bummer about the computer but nice to have a new one ... except
>> it's kind of a misery to get things working the way you want.
>>
>> And the joy of the new version of OS. Grrrr
>>
>> nancy
>
>Yeah, WIN10 if 'interestng' to say the least. They hide everything on
>you.

I was going to ask what exactly they're hiding, but we can't know
that, because they're hiding it!

On 2017-12-17 2:09 PM, Casa del Sol naciente wrote:
> On 12/17/2017 2:02 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 2017-12-17 1:38 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 10:25:38 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
>>>> I don't know why W10 is unpopular here. I have had no problems except
>>>> for a time when Edge wouldn't load and now I use that instead of Chrome
>>>> for certain things. OTOH, anything I have or have had running Android
>>>> has been a real PITA.
>>>
>>> The problem for me with Windows is the high price of the hardware,
>>> the high power consumption of the processors, the long wait time to
>>> boot up, the need for anti-virus programs, the vulnerability to
>>> malware, the software bloat and heavy system resource requirements of
>>> the OS, and the long wait time just to shut down. Other than that,
>>> everything's just wonderful.
>>>
>> Not my experience at all. Also, a number of techies told me that
>> Windows Defender with a router is sufficient and that I don't need 3rd
>> party AV software.
>
>
> Some good free ones if you decide you do - AVG, AVira, etc.
And some commercial brands such as ESET will do a scan to root out
vulnerabilities.
Despite being super careful, my D-I-L got hit with ransom ware.
Obviously acquired from whom she once trusted. However, my son had
backed everything up, as he does regularly so either bought a new PC or
hard drive.

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 11:02:58 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> Not my experience at all. Also, a number of techies told me that Windows
> Defender with a router is sufficient and that I don't need 3rd party AV
> software.

Me too! I don't need any of that stuff either - and more!

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 14:01:00 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 2017-12-17 1:38 PM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:25:33 -0700, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-12-17 12:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I always avoided Win10. When my last computer died, I searched around the
>>>>> second hand shops to get one with Win7 on it. It wasn't easy but I found
>>>>> this one. It is old too and not too great. As you know it doesn't do
>>>>> chevrons properly. <sigh>
>>>>>
>>>>> Who knows what I will need to get next I guess I might have to follow you
>>>>> down the ... what is it you use?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>>>>
>>>> It's a Chromebook.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-Vnx58UYo
>>>>
>>> I don't know why W10 is unpopular here. I have had no problems except
>>> for a time when Edge wouldn't load and now I use that instead of Chrome
>>> for certain things. OTOH, anything I have or have had running Android
>>> has been a real PITA.
>>
>> Once I got everything sorted my way on W10, I'm happy enough with it.
>> I don't, won't, use Edge, much prefer FF.
>>
>I use FF most of the time but it is set so that it won't open FB Social
>(or something like that). If I want to read the e-mailed comments to
>Post Media articles, I use Edge, which now it is working, is very good.
>I use Explorer for banking as it shows that the VPN is working.

Okay, I won't do FB so that doesn't bother me

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 1:27:57 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
>
> I have to use Windows for work and I just hate turning on that power switch. You just never know if it's going to turn on or start another grueling update cycle.
>
>
I got a new laptop back in March and I was already using W-10 so setting
this one up was a snap. Using a flash to transfer everything was a 2
minute snap. But when I first used W-10 well over a year ago it about
drove me nuts. Updates aren't bad, most time I've encountered are about
30-45 minutes.

This ASUS is fast but it does have some annoying quirks that aren't
apparent until you use it. Quirks that can't be changed.