On 1/11/2018 12:16 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:13:36 -0700, graham > wrote:
>> On 2018-01-11 10:03 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> That was Van Gogh.
>>>
>> *Not* pronounced Van "Go"! :-)
>
> No, preferably not And not "Gof" either.
>
I can only pronounce it properly when I have a bad cold...

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:20:02 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:38:28 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 1:53:53 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > Where were you on the mainland when you saw this?
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> You'd be surprised. The first time would be the SF Bay area. The second time was be Washington State. We lived in those places and were treated fine. The black folks weren't. To an outsider it was fairly obvious. I also stayed in FL for a week. That was pretty weird.
>
>That's not about fighting the Civil War, you idiot. The Civil War
>wasn't about not being racists, nor was it about treating black
>people nicely. You could think black people were inferior and
>still think it was a bad idea to own people as chattel.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

he's a lazy malcontent. It's easier to assume/presume ideologies than
it is to read and study to determine the facts.

On 1/11/2018 11:20 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:38:28 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 1:53:53 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> Where were you on the mainland when you saw this?
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> You'd be surprised. The first time would be the SF Bay area. The second time was be Washington State. We lived in those places and were treated fine. The black folks weren't. To an outsider it was fairly obvious. I also stayed in FL for a week. That was pretty weird.
>
> That's not about fighting the Civil War, you idiot. The Civil War
> wasn't about not being racists, nor was it about treating black
> people nicely. You could think black people were inferior and
> still think it was a bad idea to own people as chattel.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Wait, where did the Civil War get introduced to this?

Oh, you just did.

Why?

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:02:46 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 11-Jan-2018, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> On 1/9/2018 6:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 6:02:29 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't know what salmon cakes are. Cake sounds like a
>> >> sweet. Anyway,
>> >> salmon patties are great. Mackerel patties are even better.
>> >
>> > In this context, cake = patty. Like a cake of soap,
>> > the word "cake" can refer to any flattish mass.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> Salmon patties/cakes are so much better than mackerel. They
>> aren't
>> croquettes, though, and not eggless. I definitely add an egg
>> to the
>> mixture for my salmon patties/cakes.
>
>Isn't the only difference between salmon patties and croquettes
>the shape? At least the ones I have had taste pretty much the
>same, with patties being flat and croquettes round(ish). like a
>small salmon log. Though,I seem to recall croquettes
>occasionally served with a sauce/gravy poured over and have never
>had that with salmon patties.
>
>I once accidentally bought a can of mackerel rather than salmon
>and can't say I saw much difference in the patties vs. salmon.
>However, I admit that I am not too picky about which canned
>salmon I buy, brand or variety (coho, pink, red). Perhaps I just
>don't pick up on subtle differences that others do.

Hmmm. Now I thought (no reason why especially) that salmon patties
were served with some sort of cream sauce.
Janet US

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 6:28:35 AM UTC-10, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
> On 1/11/2018 2:52 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 11:07:29 PM UTC-10, sanne wrote:
> >>
> >> Ovens still are not standard in Korean households, the manufacturers just
> >> don't have (or didn't; how old is your oven?) enough experience yet.
> >> The best Korean teacher we had to learn the language brought a German
> >> stove with her when she returned to Korea.
> >>
> >> Bye, Sanne.
> >
> > I guess that means that the Koreans have very small apartments like the Japanese? They don't have much in the way of ovens either. What they do have is small broilers for grilling fish. I wish I had one of those in my oven.

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 13:23:33 -0500, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 1/11/2018 12:16 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:13:36 -0700, graham > wrote:
>>> On 2018-01-11 10:03 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> That was Van Gogh.
>>>>
>>> *Not* pronounced Van "Go"! :-)
>>
>> No, preferably not And not "Gof" either.
>>
>I can only pronounce it properly when I have a bad cold...

Yes, Dutch from the west ("Holland") and the north pronounce it like
they have a cold or are grinding rocks. Dutch from the south pronounce
it much more gently.

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 1:26:32 PM UTC-5, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
> On 1/11/2018 11:20 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:38:28 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 1:53:53 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Where were you on the mainland when you saw this?
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> You'd be surprised. The first time would be the SF Bay area. The second time was be Washington State. We lived in those places and were treated fine. The black folks weren't. To an outsider it was fairly obvious. I also stayed in FL for a week. That was pretty weird.
> >
> > That's not about fighting the Civil War, you idiot. The Civil War
> > wasn't about not being racists, nor was it about treating black
> > people nicely. You could think black people were inferior and
> > still think it was a bad idea to own people as chattel.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
>
> Wait, where did the Civil War get introduced to this?
>
> Oh, you just did.
>
> Why?

Not me, dsi1. He snipped the reference to the Civil War when he replied
to this:

>On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:01:54 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 6:42:06 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. >wrote:
>> >
>> > I wasn't trying to be witty. you are coming across as being very
>> > resentful of 'Americans' who you view as white folks. you are quite
>> > racist. Do all native Hawaiians feel resentful of people on the
>> > mainland?
>>
>> You come across as being quite racist so I guess we're even. Some >Hawaiians do feel resentful of the haoles. Who can blame them? You'd be >****ed too if some foreigners stole your land. My wife, a haole born in >Montana, is resentful of some mainland haoles. The way they treated her >mom, a Korean, still gives her great pain. Yoose got a lot of nerve >acting holier than thou. I have seen with my own eyes that yoose guys >are still fighting the Civil War.
>
>Where were you on the mainland when you saw this?
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:32:03 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 6:28:35 AM UTC-10, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
>> On 1/11/2018 2:52 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 11:07:29 PM UTC-10, sanne wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ovens still are not standard in Korean households, the manufacturers just
>> >> don't have (or didn't; how old is your oven?) enough experience yet.
>> >> The best Korean teacher we had to learn the language brought a German
>> >> stove with her when she returned to Korea.
>> >>
>> >> Bye, Sanne.
>> >
>> > I guess that means that the Koreans have very small apartments like the Japanese? They don't have much in the way of ovens either. What they do have is small broilers for grilling fish. I wish I had one of those in my oven.
>> >
>>
>> I used to have a cooktop with a center broiling insert with an electric
>> element and small pebble bed.
>>
>> I do not think they make them anymore.
>>
>> It was nifty, but 1500 watts was not enough to do a great job.
>>
>> > Oddly enough, one of Hawaii's most beloved singers was born and raised in Germany. When she arrived here in 1980, she was determined to learn the language and culture. That she did. She has been a associate professor of Hawaiian languages at the University of Hawaii and an award winning singer. It's a most unlikely story. That's the way it is on this tiny rock. If you embrace the culture, you will be accepted.
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MKqcAkZKgw
>>
>> Man, she reminds me of an island style Loretta Lynn!
>>
>> Maybe then your culture is mostly hybridized, yes?
>>
>> I wonder though if that chafes on the more traditional Samoan or other
>> Micronesian elements?
>
>The people from the South Pacific islands are the sweetest, nicest, guys you'll ever meet.

Here we go again: racial stereotyping! I'm pulling the racism card!
You also said "guys". That's one gender card for you right there! A
shame you didn't mention age, as I have a spare gender card ready to
go!

On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 05:35:59 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:32:03 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 6:28:35 AM UTC-10, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
>>> On 1/11/2018 2:52 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> > On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 11:07:29 PM UTC-10, sanne wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Ovens still are not standard in Korean households, the manufacturers just
>>> >> don't have (or didn't; how old is your oven?) enough experience yet.
>>> >> The best Korean teacher we had to learn the language brought a German
>>> >> stove with her when she returned to Korea.
>>> >>
>>> >> Bye, Sanne.
>>> >
>>> > I guess that means that the Koreans have very small apartments like the Japanese? They don't have much in the way of ovens either. What they do have is small broilers for grilling fish. I wish I had one of those in my oven.
>>> >
>>>
>>> I used to have a cooktop with a center broiling insert with an electric
>>> element and small pebble bed.
>>>
>>> I do not think they make them anymore.
>>>
>>> It was nifty, but 1500 watts was not enough to do a great job.
>>>
>>> > Oddly enough, one of Hawaii's most beloved singers was born and raised in Germany. When she arrived here in 1980, she was determined to learn the language and culture. That she did. She has been a associate professor of Hawaiian languages at the University of Hawaii and an award winning singer. It's a most unlikely story. That's the way it is on this tiny rock. If you embrace the culture, you will be accepted.
>>> >
>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MKqcAkZKgw
>>>
>>> Man, she reminds me of an island style Loretta Lynn!
>>>
>>> Maybe then your culture is mostly hybridized, yes?
>>>
>>> I wonder though if that chafes on the more traditional Samoan or other
>>> Micronesian elements?
>>
>>The people from the South Pacific islands are the sweetest, nicest, guys you'll ever meet.
>
>Here we go again: racial stereotyping! I'm pulling the racism card!
>You also said "guys". That's one gender card for you right there! A
>shame you didn't mention age, as I have a spare gender card ready to
>go!

Pardon me, make that an age card.

On 1/11/2018 11:32 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 6:28:35 AM UTC-10, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
>> On 1/11/2018 2:52 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 11:07:29 PM UTC-10, sanne wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ovens still are not standard in Korean households, the manufacturers just
>>>> don't have (or didn't; how old is your oven?) enough experience yet.
>>>> The best Korean teacher we had to learn the language brought a German
>>>> stove with her when she returned to Korea.
>>>>
>>>> Bye, Sanne.
>>>
>>> I guess that means that the Koreans have very small apartments like the Japanese? They don't have much in the way of ovens either. What they do have is small broilers for grilling fish. I wish I had one of those in my oven.
>>>
>>
>> I used to have a cooktop with a center broiling insert with an electric
>> element and small pebble bed.
>>
>> I do not think they make them anymore.
>>
>> It was nifty, but 1500 watts was not enough to do a great job.
>>
>>> Oddly enough, one of Hawaii's most beloved singers was born and raised in Germany. When she arrived here in 1980, she was determined to learn the language and culture. That she did. She has been a associate professor of Hawaiian languages at the University of Hawaii and an award winning singer. It's a most unlikely story. That's the way it is on this tiny rock. If you embrace the culture, you will be accepted.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MKqcAkZKgw
>>
>> Man, she reminds me of an island style Loretta Lynn!
>>
>> Maybe then your culture is mostly hybridized, yes?
>>
>> I wonder though if that chafes on the more traditional Samoan or other
>> Micronesian elements?
>
> The people from the South Pacific islands are the sweetest, nicest, guys you'll ever meet. It seems the smaller the rock they're from, the bigger they are. The native Hawaiians are from a larger rock so they're sized appropriately i.e., not that big but not that small. The Samoans don't like the Tongans though. I don't know what the heck that's about nor will I ask them about it.
>

Smart decision, no need to invite ire for dinner!

> The weird thing about Hawaiian humor is that most of it is based on racial stereotypes. It acknowledges that there are some cultural differences between racial groups. In order to understand it you have to know and respect the different cultures crammed together on this rock. We know about each other because back in the plantation days, the workers were stuck in the same ******** and they had to learn and communicate with each other and get along. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
>

I can see where that could certainly be a factor, sure.

Our African American slaves had similar tough times together - east,
west and central Africa have very diverse cultures, but all were tossed
in the same lousy situation and forced to get along.

That's my "common enemy" thesis again.


> Hawaiian humor won't work on the mainland because the mainland has still not come to grips with the issue of race. Of course there are places on the mainland where different peoples are forced to live with each other in some ********. The difference is that the mainland has enough room to support enclaves. We don't. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz3rubGrGZQ

Lol, Hawaii's Lily Tomlin?

Now what don't ya want?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJdHxwW0EZE

On 1/11/2018 11:34 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 1:26:32 PM UTC-5, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
>> On 1/11/2018 11:20 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:38:28 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 1:53:53 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Where were you on the mainland when you saw this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> You'd be surprised. The first time would be the SF Bay area. The second time was be Washington State. We lived in those places and were treated fine. The black folks weren't. To an outsider it was fairly obvious. I also stayed in FL for a week. That was pretty weird.
>>>
>>> That's not about fighting the Civil War, you idiot. The Civil War
>>> wasn't about not being racists, nor was it about treating black
>>> people nicely. You could think black people were inferior and
>>> still think it was a bad idea to own people as chattel.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>> Wait, where did the Civil War get introduced to this?
>>
>> Oh, you just did.
>>
>> Why?
>
> Not me, dsi1. He snipped the reference to the Civil War when he replied
> to this:

OK - /MY BAD/ there, I'm sorry, I should have read back!

>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:01:54 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 6:42:06 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. >wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't trying to be witty. you are coming across as being very
>>>> resentful of 'Americans' who you view as white folks. you are quite
>>>> racist. Do all native Hawaiians feel resentful of people on the
>>>> mainland?
>>>
>>> You come across as being quite racist so I guess we're even. Some >Hawaiians do feel resentful of the haoles. Who can blame them? You'd be >****ed too if some foreigners stole your land. My wife, a haole born in >Montana, is resentful of some mainland haoles. The way they treated her >mom, a Korean, still gives her great pain. Yoose got a lot of nerve >acting holier than thou. I have seen with my own eyes that yoose guys >are still fighting the Civil War.
>>
>> Where were you on the mainland when you saw this?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Cindy Hamilton

And frankly after Charlottesville and so on some of us ARE still
fighting the Civil war!

But it has morphed into an Orwellian excess of statue purging by the
ill-titled "antifa" vermin who are as racist as any before them, as if
removing the visual cues to our past will simultaneously un-write it,
which is totally mental!




"Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date.
In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by
documentary evidence to have been correct; nor was any item of news, or
any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the
moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest,
scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary."

"One could not learn history from architecture any more than one could
learn it from books. Statues, inscriptions, memorial stones, the names
of streets€“anything that might throw light upon the past had been
systematically altered.'

- G. Orwell



It also evades the point that even Robert E. Lee was no pure adherent to
slavery despite leading the army of the Confederacy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/u...ee-slaves.html

Lee joined the secessionists in April 1861. He left Arlington House, and
the estate was eventually overtaken by Union soldiers. (The dead were
buried in its grounds, which would later become the site of Arlington
National Cemetery.) Over the course of the conflict, many slaves were
hired out or escaped the property.

In 1862, in accordance with Mr. Custiss will, Lee filed a deed of
manumission to free the slaves at Arlington House and at two more
plantations Mr. Custis had owned, individually naming more than 150 of
them. And in January 1863, President Abraham Lincoln issued the
Emancipation Proclamation, declaring that all people held as slaves in
the rebelling states €œare, and henceforward shall be free.€�

Of all the letters by Lee that have been collected by archivists and
historians over the years, one of the most famous was written to his
wife in 1856. €œIn this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but
what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral &
political evil in any Country,€� he wrote.

But he added that slavery was €œa greater evil to the white man than to
the black race€� in the United States, and that the €œpainful discipline
they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction.€�

....

Dr. Foner said that after the war, Lee did not support rights for black
citizens, such as the right to vote, and was largely silent about
violence perpetrated by white supremacists during Reconstruction.

The general did, however, object to the idea of raising Confederate
monuments, writing in 1869 that it would be wiser €œnot to keep open the
sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored
to obliterate the marks of civil strife.€�



"In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you
would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that
claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not
merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external
reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies
was common sense."

- G. Orwell

On 2018-01-11 1:23 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 1/11/2018 12:16 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:13:36 -0700, graham > wrote:
>>> On 2018-01-11 10:03 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> That was Van Gogh.
>>>>
>>> *Not* pronounced Van "Go"! :-)
>>
>> No, preferably not And not "Gof" either.
>>
> I can only pronounce it properly when I have a bad cold...
>
My wife's family is from the north of the Netherlands, a town near
Groningen. I have been corrected about the pronunciation of that city's
name. It is hard to do without coughing up some phlegm.

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 8:44:23 AM UTC-10, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
> On 1/11/2018 11:32 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 6:28:35 AM UTC-10, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
> >> On 1/11/2018 2:52 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 11:07:29 PM UTC-10, sanne wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Ovens still are not standard in Korean households, the manufacturers just
> >>>> don't have (or didn't; how old is your oven?) enough experience yet.
> >>>> The best Korean teacher we had to learn the language brought a German
> >>>> stove with her when she returned to Korea.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bye, Sanne.
> >>>
> >>> I guess that means that the Koreans have very small apartments like the Japanese? They don't have much in the way of ovens either. What they do have is small broilers for grilling fish. I wish I had one of those in my oven.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I used to have a cooktop with a center broiling insert with an electric
> >> element and small pebble bed.
> >>
> >> I do not think they make them anymore.
> >>
> >> It was nifty, but 1500 watts was not enough to do a great job.
> >>
> >>> Oddly enough, one of Hawaii's most beloved singers was born and raised in Germany. When she arrived here in 1980, she was determined to learn the language and culture. That she did. She has been a associate professor of Hawaiian languages at the University of Hawaii and an award winning singer.. It's a most unlikely story. That's the way it is on this tiny rock. If you embrace the culture, you will be accepted.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MKqcAkZKgw
> >>
> >> Man, she reminds me of an island style Loretta Lynn!
> >>
> >> Maybe then your culture is mostly hybridized, yes?
> >>
> >> I wonder though if that chafes on the more traditional Samoan or other
> >> Micronesian elements?
> >
> > The people from the South Pacific islands are the sweetest, nicest, guys you'll ever meet. It seems the smaller the rock they're from, the bigger they are. The native Hawaiians are from a larger rock so they're sized appropriately i.e., not that big but not that small. The Samoans don't like the Tongans though. I don't know what the heck that's about nor will I ask them about it.
> >
>
> Smart decision, no need to invite ire for dinner!
>
> > The weird thing about Hawaiian humor is that most of it is based on racial stereotypes. It acknowledges that there are some cultural differences between racial groups. In order to understand it you have to know and respect the different cultures crammed together on this rock. We know about each other because back in the plantation days, the workers were stuck in the same ******** and they had to learn and communicate with each other and get along. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
> >
>
> I can see where that could certainly be a factor, sure.
>
> Our African American slaves had similar tough times together - east,
> west and central Africa have very diverse cultures, but all were tossed
> in the same lousy situation and forced to get along.
>
> That's my "common enemy" thesis again.
>
>
> > Hawaiian humor won't work on the mainland because the mainland has still not come to grips with the issue of race. Of course there are places on the mainland where different peoples are forced to live with each other in some ********. The difference is that the mainland has enough room to support enclaves. We don't. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz3rubGrGZQ
>
> Lol, Hawaii's Lily Tomlin?
>
> Now what don't ya want?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJdHxwW0EZE

I saw that before. It's a great scene!

On 1/11/2018 11:57 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I find it quite disturbing that "the N-word" is such an explosive issue
> to black people when it comes from the mouth of a white person, but they
> use it so frequently themselves.

Clueless as ever...

On 1/11/2018 12:07 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 8:44:23 AM UTC-10, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
>> On 1/11/2018 11:32 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 6:28:35 AM UTC-10, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
>>>> On 1/11/2018 2:52 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 11:07:29 PM UTC-10, sanne wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ovens still are not standard in Korean households, the manufacturers just
>>>>>> don't have (or didn't; how old is your oven?) enough experience yet.
>>>>>> The best Korean teacher we had to learn the language brought a German
>>>>>> stove with her when she returned to Korea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bye, Sanne.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess that means that the Koreans have very small apartments like the Japanese? They don't have much in the way of ovens either. What they do have is small broilers for grilling fish. I wish I had one of those in my oven.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I used to have a cooktop with a center broiling insert with an electric
>>>> element and small pebble bed.
>>>>
>>>> I do not think they make them anymore.
>>>>
>>>> It was nifty, but 1500 watts was not enough to do a great job.
>>>>
>>>>> Oddly enough, one of Hawaii's most beloved singers was born and raised in Germany. When she arrived here in 1980, she was determined to learn the language and culture. That she did. She has been a associate professor of Hawaiian languages at the University of Hawaii and an award winning singer. It's a most unlikely story. That's the way it is on this tiny rock. If you embrace the culture, you will be accepted.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MKqcAkZKgw
>>>>
>>>> Man, she reminds me of an island style Loretta Lynn!
>>>>
>>>> Maybe then your culture is mostly hybridized, yes?
>>>>
>>>> I wonder though if that chafes on the more traditional Samoan or other
>>>> Micronesian elements?
>>>
>>> The people from the South Pacific islands are the sweetest, nicest, guys you'll ever meet. It seems the smaller the rock they're from, the bigger they are. The native Hawaiians are from a larger rock so they're sized appropriately i.e., not that big but not that small. The Samoans don't like the Tongans though. I don't know what the heck that's about nor will I ask them about it.
>>>
>>
>> Smart decision, no need to invite ire for dinner!
>>
>>> The weird thing about Hawaiian humor is that most of it is based on racial stereotypes. It acknowledges that there are some cultural differences between racial groups. In order to understand it you have to know and respect the different cultures crammed together on this rock. We know about each other because back in the plantation days, the workers were stuck in the same ******** and they had to learn and communicate with each other and get along. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
>>>
>>
>> I can see where that could certainly be a factor, sure.
>>
>> Our African American slaves had similar tough times together - east,
>> west and central Africa have very diverse cultures, but all were tossed
>> in the same lousy situation and forced to get along.
>>
>> That's my "common enemy" thesis again.
>>
>>
>>> Hawaiian humor won't work on the mainland because the mainland has still not come to grips with the issue of race. Of course there are places on the mainland where different peoples are forced to live with each other in some ********. The difference is that the mainland has enough room to support enclaves. We don't. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz3rubGrGZQ
>>
>> Lol, Hawaii's Lily Tomlin?
>>
>> Now what don't ya want?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJdHxwW0EZE
>
> I saw that before. It's a great scene!
>

I've eaten in places like that in Texas and Oklahoma.

She's like the Terminator granny - you do NOT mess with Texas!

"S Viemeister" wrote in message ...

On 1/11/2018 12:16 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:13:36 -0700, graham > wrote:
>> On 2018-01-11 10:03 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> That was Van Gogh.
>>>
>> *Not* pronounced Van "Go"! :-)
>
> No, preferably not And not "Gof" either.
>
I can only pronounce it properly when I have a bad cold...

===

I've never had any problem with it, but then I can say loch properly too

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 1:59:41 PM UTC-5, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
> On 1/11/2018 11:34 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 1:26:32 PM UTC-5, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
> >> On 1/11/2018 11:20 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:38:28 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 1:53:53 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where were you on the mainland when you saw this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>>
> >>>> You'd be surprised. The first time would be the SF Bay area. The second time was be Washington State. We lived in those places and were treated fine. The black folks weren't. To an outsider it was fairly obvious. I also stayed in FL for a week. That was pretty weird.
> >>>
> >>> That's not about fighting the Civil War, you idiot. The Civil War
> >>> wasn't about not being racists, nor was it about treating black
> >>> people nicely. You could think black people were inferior and
> >>> still think it was a bad idea to own people as chattel.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>
> >>
> >> Wait, where did the Civil War get introduced to this?
> >>
> >> Oh, you just did.
> >>
> >> Why?
> >
> > Not me, dsi1. He snipped the reference to the Civil War when he replied
> > to this:
>
> OK - /MY BAD/ there, I'm sorry, I should have read back!
>
> >
> >> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:01:54 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 6:42:06 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. >wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I wasn't trying to be witty. you are coming across as being very
> >>>> resentful of 'Americans' who you view as white folks. you are quite
> >>>> racist. Do all native Hawaiians feel resentful of people on the
> >>>> mainland?
> >>>
> >>> You come across as being quite racist so I guess we're even. Some >Hawaiians do feel resentful of the haoles. Who can blame them? You'd be >****ed too if some foreigners stole your land. My wife, a haole born in >Montana, is resentful of some mainland haoles. The way they treated her >mom, a Korean, still gives her great pain. Yoose got a lot of nerve >acting holier than thou. I have seen with my own eyes that yoose guys >are still fighting the Civil War.
> >>
> >> Where were you on the mainland when you saw this?
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> And frankly after Charlottesville and so on some of us ARE still
> fighting the Civil war!
>

You're not wrong. But I wanted to know where dsi1 saw it with
his own eyes.

Cindy Hamilton

On 1/11/2018 1:19 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 1:59:41 PM UTC-5, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
>> On 1/11/2018 11:34 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 1:26:32 PM UTC-5, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
>>>> On 1/11/2018 11:20 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:38:28 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 1:53:53 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where were you on the mainland when you saw this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You'd be surprised. The first time would be the SF Bay area. The second time was be Washington State. We lived in those places and were treated fine. The black folks weren't. To an outsider it was fairly obvious. I also stayed in FL for a week. That was pretty weird.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not about fighting the Civil War, you idiot. The Civil War
>>>>> wasn't about not being racists, nor was it about treating black
>>>>> people nicely. You could think black people were inferior and
>>>>> still think it was a bad idea to own people as chattel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wait, where did the Civil War get introduced to this?
>>>>
>>>> Oh, you just did.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Not me, dsi1. He snipped the reference to the Civil War when he replied
>>> to this:
>>
>> OK - /MY BAD/ there, I'm sorry, I should have read back!
>>
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:01:54 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 6:42:06 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. >wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wasn't trying to be witty. you are coming across as being very
>>>>>> resentful of 'Americans' who you view as white folks. you are quite
>>>>>> racist. Do all native Hawaiians feel resentful of people on the
>>>>>> mainland?
>>>>>
>>>>> You come across as being quite racist so I guess we're even. Some >Hawaiians do feel resentful of the haoles. Who can blame them? You'd be >****ed too if some foreigners stole your land. My wife, a haole born in >Montana, is resentful of some mainland haoles. The way they treated her >mom, a Korean, still gives her great pain. Yoose got a lot of nerve >acting holier than thou. I have seen with my own eyes that yoose guys >are still fighting the Civil War.
>>>>
>>>> Where were you on the mainland when you saw this?
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> And frankly after Charlottesville and so on some of us ARE still
>> fighting the Civil war!
>>
>
> You're not wrong. But I wanted to know where dsi1 saw it with
> his own eyes.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Indeed yes, and I am still shocked that he had left coast racism to view.

So much for my own preconceptions...

:-(

"Casa estilo antiguo" wrote in message news
On 1/11/2018 12:22 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >,
> dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> Please inform your king of our arrival in about 2 months. No need to make
>> a
>> big deal about it. A small, simple, luau for around 500 Hawaiians would
>> be fine.
>
> There's no need to inform him. If you arrive in The People's Republic
> of California, you will be given much weed on the shore (first contact
> is free) and become too stoned to move after a mile. You will be
> embraced, absorbed, your possessions seized, and you will be led to
> believe that you won.

And offered a nice place on the street to veg out on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7HozzSGakA

===

I saw a LOT of that in India. I can't believe how slow the traffic moves.
A bike weaving around the wrong way. He wouldn't have got away with that
here.

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"graham" > wrote in message
news
> *Not* pronounced Van "Go"! :-)

As in "Starry Starry Night" by Don McClean. I love that song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dipFMJckZOM

Cheri

==

That was wonderful, thanks

On 1/11/2018 2:06 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Casa estilo antiguo"Â* wrote in message news >
> On 1/11/2018 12:22 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> In article >,
>> dsi1 > wrote:
>>
>>> Please inform your king of our arrival in about 2 months. No need to
>>> make
>>> a
>>> big deal about it. A small, simple, luau for around 500 Hawaiians would
>>> be fine.
>>
>> There's no need to inform him. If you arrive in The People's Republic
>> of California, you will be given much weed on the shore (first contact
>> is free) and become too stoned to move after a mile. You will be
>> embraced, absorbed, your possessions seized, and you will be led to
>> believe that you won.
>
> And offered a nice place on the street to veg out on:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7HozzSGakA
>
> ===
>
> I saw a LOT of that in India.Â* I can't believe how slow the traffic moves.
> A bike weaving around the wrong way.Â* He wouldn't have got away with that
> here.


That I believe!

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 8:20:07 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> That's not about fighting the Civil War, you idiot. The Civil War
> wasn't about not being racists, nor was it about treating black
> people nicely. You could think black people were inferior and
> still think it was a bad idea to own people as chattel.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Thanks for the lecture on the War for States Rights, Mrs. Obvious!

On 1/11/2018 3:00 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 8:20:07 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> That's not about fighting the Civil War, you idiot. The Civil War
>> wasn't about not being racists, nor was it about treating black
>> people nicely. You could think black people were inferior and
>> still think it was a bad idea to own people as chattel.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Thanks for the lecture on the War for States Rights, Mrs. Obvious!
>

As with any other historical train wreck there were numerous factors in
the derailment.

Thankfully the cleanup went well, albeit it took an unreasonably long time.

Now we're looking at secession by Cali-phonya and "slaves" have been
replaced by "illegals" in sanctuary cities.

History is a real biotch when it comes to rhyming, isn't she?

%-0

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 9:12:22 AM UTC-10, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
>
> I've eaten in places like that in Texas and Oklahoma.
>
> She's like the Terminator granny - you do NOT mess with Texas!

I don't know if people in parts of Texas actually talk like that but I'd like to believe that they do!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co5aKOGcHaw

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 10:27:56 AM UTC-10, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
>
> Indeed yes, and I am still shocked that he had left coast racism to view.
>
> So much for my own preconceptions...
>
> :-(

I distinctly remember thinking to myself "so that's how it all goes down over here." It's like my eyes were suddenly opened. I haven't seen anything since that time in 1978 to change my mind. Evidently, the people there haven't noticed it yet.

Like my Uncle Charlie always says: Man with hat on fire usually last to know.

Ophelia wrote:

>
>
> "sanne" wrote in message
> ...
>
> Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018 11:25:15 UTC+1 schrieb Ophelia:
> > "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On 1/9/2018 3:18 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 10:09:21 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > >
> >>> In the US what's sold as oxtail is actually cow tail.
> > >
> >> I know. My dad told me that when I was a kid. When was the last
> time you >> saw oxen in the United States? I guess they have some in
> Texas. Perhaps >> there are some where Paul Bunyan lives. I just know
> that one of ya'alls >> going to be insisting oxen are all over the
> place in America. It's what >> yoose guys do.
> > >
> >
> > I'd not kid about something like that, we do have oxen all over in
> > the mainland. I just went out for the mail and had to chase a
> > couple out of my driveway. You should have seen their tails too,
> > very big. You can cut the tails off and they grow another one in a
> > few months. Most every restaurant here has ox tail stew on the
> > menu since it is so plentiful.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > Do they do that??? ... cut off their tails?
>
> Usually not - "only" their Rocky Mountain oysters before they're
> called oxen.
>
> Bye, Sanne.
>
> ==
>
> Oh lovely ... I hope they are well anesthetized ..

The cleanest translation of Oxen (or an Ox) is a castrated working
bull. There are 2 types truely defined as Oxen but the term in the USA
is applied to any working bull used for ploughing and such things. I'm
not saying that many here farm that way (maybe the Amish do still?).

Sheldon was correct that the 'Ox tail' here is from a bull though
technically a cow can also be trained to be a working cow and so fall
under 'Ox'. I guess it sounds better to say 'Ox tail' than 'Cow/Bull
tail' so it's labeled that.

Very good chance if DS1 found one in Hawaii, it came from mainland USA.

Around here, best place to find them is in the Asian groceries.

Carol

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:03:40 PM UTC-10, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
>
> As with any other historical train wreck there were numerous factors in
> the derailment.
>
> Thankfully the cleanup went well, albeit it took an unreasonably long time.
>
> Now we're looking at secession by Cali-phonya and "slaves" have been
> replaced by "illegals" in sanctuary cities.
>
> History is a real biotch when it comes to rhyming, isn't she?
>
> %-0

I was quite shocked to see what was going on in the UK while we were there. My second reaction was that the Brits are taking it very well, considering. Americans would freak have a nuclear meltdown if that ever happened here.

I can't say what would happen if this migration happened on this rock. We should import more Mexicans and Puerto Ricans over here. I'm getting tired of eating all this Asian stuff all the time.

dsi1 wrote:

> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 11:36:16 AM UTC-10, Casa estilo
> antiguo wrote:
> > On 1/10/2018 12:08 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 1:30:40 AM UTC-10, Cindy
> > > Hamilton wrote:
> > > >
> > >> dsi1 seems to have a blind spot about the sheer diversity of
> > mainland >> Americans. It's only to be expected, given the
> > predominance of >> Asians where he lives.
> > > >
> > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > > There's a lot of diversity on the mainland. What most of all
> > > ya'alls haven't done is integrated the ways of the different
> > > cultures into a unified hybrid culture.
> >
> > I'm not at all sure that's necessary or even beneficial, it's like
> > mixing so much paint you end up with a mud slurry.
> >
> > Think of it in animal terms - if every dog is a mutt there are
> > defacto no more bird dogs or rat terriers.
> >
> > That would be a great loss of diversity.
> >
> > > The younger generation will probably make a true multicultural
> > > United States a reality in the future but I've been to the
> > > mainland and I see how minorities are treated. It sucks.
> > >
> >
> > Not round here it doesn't!
>
> You sound like a multicultural kind of guy. That's cool but it seems
> that the rfc haole enclave is pitching a hissy fit over this oxtail
> "incident." My mind boggles at the pettiness of these small minded
> individuals. In the end, you just gotta chuckle.

Naw, just a few mentioning it's here. I do NOT recall seeing it in
Hawaii. I suspect the bone to meat ratio is too low to make it that
popular there outside maybe Waikiki.

It was actually Japan where I encountered it first as something
commonly there at the stores. It was seasonal (culling the herd time)
but I liked it very well.

Here, I get them anytime at the local American Asian Grocery and of
course, I have seen them elsewhere in the more upscale markets.

Best simmered slow and low to make a lovely broth.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2018-01-10 1:47 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> > > dsi1 seems to have a blind spot about the sheer diversity of
> > > mainland Americans. It's only to be expected, given the
> > > predominance of Asians where he lives.
> >
> > Give the man a break. At least he knows everything about the future.
>
>
> There has been a definite change in the complexion of North America.
> We not only have increasing numbers of people of various races, but
> there are ever increasing incidence of multiracial people. When I
> went to San Francisco a couple years ago I expected to see lot of
> Asian, but what surprised me was that there were so many biracial
> Asians <??>..... people with Asian and one more other
> characteristics.
>
> Not a bad thing.... just an observation.

You see the same in Hawaii although much less African American and to
find Italians, Greeks, Arabs etc., you'd pretty much need to go to the
vacation spots.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 3:18:27 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 10:09:21 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > >
> > > In the US what's sold as oxtail is actually cow tail.
> >
> > I know. My dad told me that when I was a kid. When was the last
> > time you saw oxen in the United States? I guess they have some in
> > Texas. Perhaps there are some where Paul Bunyan lives. I just know
> > that one of ya'alls going to be insisting oxen are all over the
> > place in America. It's what yoose guys do.
>
> An ox is an adult male bovine trained as a draft animal. They often
> are castrated. (Thank you, Wikipedia.)
>
> Given the lack of demand for wagon or plow pulling, it's not
> surprising we have few oxen.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

If you keep to the simple definition, it's basically a beef bull or cow
that's been trained to work. Some purists require they be one of 2 Bos
breeds to truely count. REality, the 'Ox tail' in our markets is just
the tail of a cow or a bull turned into meat. That prized piece is
sold for far more than such a bony part would normally go for because
it makes such a lovely broth!

jmcquown wrote:

> On 1/9/2018 12:55 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 09:33:48 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 7:09:32 AM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B.
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > where do you suppose those Americans came from? They brought
> > > > all their favorite foods with them because even here in the
> > > > U,S,, cattle have tails, chicken have feet, etc. Sweetbreads
> > > > was one of my favorites as a child. I ate pickled pigs feet
> > > > along with my mom (she loved them) We ate liver. It is only
> > > > in recent times that people decided they should only eat the
> > > > big muscle parts. I hate it when sausage advertises that it
> > > > is made solely with some of the big muscle parts of the animal.
> > > > We love bacon, sausage and lunch meats that were originally
> > > > devised to utilize lesser parts of an animal. If you are
> > > > going to kill an animal for food, you'd better be willing to
> > > > eat the whole darn thing. End of sermon Janet US
> > >
> > > I never said that people on the mainland don't eat oxtail. I know
> > > they do. If you tell me that most people love the stuff over
> > > there, I remain unconvinced.
> >
> > You said 'eating oxtail hardly seems American" I've expressed that
> > 'Americans' do in fact eat oxtail In fact, it has become hard to
> > find and very expensive because certain restaurants and areas of the
> > country make specialties with oxtail. I do not need to show you
> > that most (what ever that is) Americans eat it. That's a ridiculous
> > statement like asking do most people on the mainland eat grits?
> > No. Janet US
> >
> I love oxtails and grits. LOL Do I eat either one every day or even
> every month? No.
>
> Jill

LOL! Now that combo never occured to me!

On 1/11/2018 3:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 9:12:22 AM UTC-10, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
>>
>> I've eaten in places like that in Texas and Oklahoma.
>>
>> She's like the Terminator granny - you do NOT mess with Texas!
>
> I don't know if people in parts of Texas actually talk like that but I'd like to believe that they do!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co5aKOGcHaw
>



They do, it ain't jest fer pretends...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO1MXyX-ecA

On 1/11/2018 3:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 10:27:56 AM UTC-10, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
>>
>> Indeed yes, and I am still shocked that he had left coast racism to view.
>>
>> So much for my own preconceptions...
>>
>> :-(
>
> I distinctly remember thinking to myself "so that's how it all goes down over here." It's like my eyes were suddenly opened. I haven't seen anything since that time in 1978 to change my mind. Evidently, the people there haven't noticed it yet.

There's lot of water under the bridge since '78, thankfully...

When I think of Washington my mind goes back to California:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnwqufRFEUw

And then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nfoP3bmd1c

> Like my Uncle Charlie always says: Man with hat on fire usually last to know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTa2vXL7FI8

On 1/11/2018 3:37 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:03:40 PM UTC-10, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
>>
>> As with any other historical train wreck there were numerous factors in
>> the derailment.
>>
>> Thankfully the cleanup went well, albeit it took an unreasonably long time.
>>
>> Now we're looking at secession by Cali-phonya and "slaves" have been
>> replaced by "illegals" in sanctuary cities.
>>
>> History is a real biotch when it comes to rhyming, isn't she?
>>
>> %-0
>
> I was quite shocked to see what was going on in the UK while we were there. My second reaction was that the Brits are taking it very well, considering. Americans would freak have a nuclear meltdown if that ever happened here.
>

Oh it's happening, the frog is just enjoying the hot tub for a spell
first...

> I can't say what would happen if this migration happened on this rock. We should import more Mexicans and Puerto Ricans over here. I'm getting tired of eating all this Asian stuff all the time.
>

Culture travels best on good cuisine that much I'm willing to testify too...

I haven't been able to master Ethiopian food yet, it's a leap from
licking KFC off my fingers to downright eatin' with 'em...

On 1/11/2018 2:28 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "S Viemeister" wrote in message ...
> On 1/11/2018 12:16 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:13:36 -0700, graham > wrote:
>>> On 2018-01-11 10:03 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> That was Van Gogh.
>>>>
>>> *Not* pronounced Van "Go"! :-)
>>
>> No, preferably not And not "Gof" either.
>>
> I can only pronounce it properly when I have a bad cold...
>
> ===
>
> I've never had any problem with it, but then I can say loch properly too

Well, so can I, but van Gogh goes _far_ beyond the ch in loch!

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:47:17 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 3:18:27 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 10:09:21 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In the US what's sold as oxtail is actually cow tail.
>> >
>> > I know. My dad told me that when I was a kid. When was the last
>> > time you saw oxen in the United States? I guess they have some in
>> > Texas. Perhaps there are some where Paul Bunyan lives. I just know
>> > that one of ya'alls going to be insisting oxen are all over the
>> > place in America. It's what yoose guys do.
>>
>> An ox is an adult male bovine trained as a draft animal. They often
>> are castrated. (Thank you, Wikipedia.)
>>
>> Given the lack of demand for wagon or plow pulling, it's not
>> surprising we have few oxen.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>If you keep to the simple definition, it's basically a beef bull or cow
>that's been trained to work.

I guess the "beef bull" is the equivalent of the "pork pig" and the
"mutton sheep".

On 1/11/2018 6:28 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:47:17 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> If you keep to the simple definition, it's basically a beef bull or cow
>> that's been trained to work.
>
> I guess the "beef bull" is the equivalent of the "pork pig" and the
> "mutton sheep".
>
Not really. Cattle are classified as 'beef cattle' or 'dairy cattle'.

On 2018-01-11 6:55 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 1/11/2018 6:28 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:47:17 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>> If you keep to the simple definition, it's basically a beef bull or cow
>>> that's been trained to work.
>>
>> I guess the "beef bull" is the equivalent of the "pork pig" and the
>> "mutton sheep".
>>
> Not really. Cattle are classified as 'beef cattle' or 'dairy cattle'.
>


True. I know a few people around here who call their animals "beef".

dsi1 wrote:

> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > It is, but it's unique as well. It's the only place where there is
> > no 'majority' race/ethnic for example. I don't have the actual
> > stats in frnt of me but it's something like 20% Chinese, 20%
> > Japanese, 15% other islanders, and 20% mixed white and African
> > American. The remaining 5% are at least partly Native Hawaiian.
> > Something close to that if not quite right.
> >
> > Due to the distance, they have some differences but yes, they are
> > all American. The food is a melting pot of mixes just like the
> > Continental USA, but with a different melting pot mix used.
> >
> > Rice cake soup probably makes no sense to you due to this. Don't
> > worry, they make cheeseburgers too!
> > Carol
>
> Near as I can tell, most of the folks on rfc have no idea about what
> Hawaiian food is. Either that or they're acting dumb. The competent
> Hawaiian cook has to be familiar with American food, Hawaiian food,
> Samoan food, and Japanese, Okinawan, Filipino, Chinese, and Korean
> foods. Some of our favorite dishes originate from Puerto Rico and
> Portugal and, to a lesser extent, Thailand, and Vietnam.
>
> Some people on this newsgroup act like all we eat is Spam and poi.
> That may be true for some Hawaiians but I got too much going on to be
> eating just S & P. If people knew anything about taro and poi, they
> would be in awe of this plant. The ancient Hawaiians could pound the
> cooked taro corm and produce a nutritious food that would not spoil
> and could sustain life for months on long voyages across the Pacific.
> Taro is one of the world's most perfect foods. On this group, it's
> mostly one big joke.
>
> The reality is that this is not a real foodie group. Mostly, it's a
> group that disrespects and spreads fear about foods - especially the
> foods of other cultures.

Hi DS1,

It is likely most here aren't truely familiar with Hawaiian food,
because you have to have lived there to grasp it. I'm the only one I
can recall here who has lived there. (1986-1989). I also didnt try
everything there but have some really good memories of the things I
tried.

Before moving there, my thoughts were if it had pinapple in it, must be
Hawaiian. LOL, laugh with me! Years later it took me close to 6
months of random cleaup of my recipe software to remove the catagory
'Hawaiian' from being in every recipe I had downloaded that had
pinnapple in it!

My favorite Pinnapple recipe BTW was a salty one partly dehydrated.
It's a Filipeno dish ;-) and they had it in Hawaii at a local corner
store we used a lot.

I agree with you on Taro. There was a little 'Poi Place' near Kuilea
street. It was setup much like a salad bar and you added what you
wanted. I'd get a size small and add sour cream and green onions to
it. Others would just use salt and pepper. Itried the Avocados and
liked that too. Crushed blueberries were neat! They had other things
there as well. I think I recall Poi Pancakes? There was something
that looked almost like a tall Flan with a topping of ?honey? and some
sort of crumb mixed with I think brown sugar? Nifty was they had sweet
potatoes done up crispy like fries and you could dip your poi out with
them!

Poi came as 1, 2, or 3. At the time there, I didn't know the
difference other than thickness but liked the 2. I later found it's a
thickness based on fingers and the 2 is '2 fingers' to lift some to
your mouth.

I was utterly charmed with 'dime sausage' and have been seeking a match
since to no avail. I've come a bit close, but no match.

I think though you are too harsh that we don't have foodies here. We
have many. It's just that not all are into the same types of things in
our foodie trails. Some are not into 'spicy' and others very intensely
into them yet of the savory sort, not hot. Others want every bite to
scream with heat.

Carol

U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 17:39:08 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 11:49:28 AM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B.
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm just really surprised. I always thought of Hawaii as part of
> the >> United States but apparently not.
> >> Janet US
> >
> > Culturally, we're quite different from most of the mainland. We
> > don't have to act like white folk to move throughout the day.
> > Nobody is going to hassle you for eating rice or using chopsticks
> > with your meal. That is a very good thing.
> >
> > I always thought of Puerto Rico as part of the United States but
> > apparently not.*
> >
> > *You might think that making catty, snide, and snooty, remarks is
> > the height of witticism. It is not.
>
> I wasn't trying to be witty. you are coming across as being very
> resentful of 'Americans' who you view as white folks. you are quite
> racist. Do all native Hawaiians feel resentful of people on the
> mainland?

FYI, 'Native Hawiian' means original folks before Captain Cook landed.
Like Native Americans (similar, 'Indians') but in this case,
Polynesians who colonized it from the southern hemisphere. 'Native
Pacific Islander'. There are almost no pure Native Hawaiians left. as
the european diseases were something they had no immunity to and they
died by the thousands. Measles, chicken Pox and all that. No immunity.

KneeHeeHow (Phonetic) is where the largest community of native
Hawaiians remain? (Nihihu?) Yes, there are plenty sprinkled here and
there elsewhere but to find someone who can claim actual 50% true
Hawaiian native is rare out in the main cities/Islands.