On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith
>>
>>> I don't think so. Real buttermilk is a by product of butter production.
>>> Rich milk is allowed to stand, allowing the cream and milk to separate.
>>> The buttermilk is what is left after the churned butter is removed.
>>
>> This is what I always understood buttermilk to be.
>>
>
>Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
>you get.

I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
also European. My mother hated buttermilk and I copied that without
ever trying it, so I don't know much about it.

On 2018-01-30 5:48 PM, Broce wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith

>> Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
>> you get.
>
> I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
> also European. My mother hated buttermilk and I copied that without
> ever trying it, so I don't know much about it.


You live there so you can check. FWIW, my father loved buttermilk. It
always grossed me out to watch him do that, but I was not much less
repulsed to watch my brothers drink milk.

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 18:17:57 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-01-30 5:48 PM, Broce wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith
>
>>> Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
>>> you get.
>>
>> I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
>> also European. My mother hated buttermilk and I copied that without
>> ever trying it, so I don't know much about it.
>
>
>You live there so you can check. FWIW, my father loved buttermilk. It
>always grossed me out to watch him do that, but I was not much less
>repulsed to watch my brothers drink milk.

When I look at the Dutch Wikipedia, they also distinguish the original
meaning (side product of butter making) and the modern meaning
(cultured skimmed milk).

graham wrote:

> There's an excellent explanation of the subject on Wikipedia.


You mean on the subject "Pancakes up a crotch"...???


--
Best
Greg

On 1/30/2018 1:52 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 11:12:19 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 8:47:09 AM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>> Very funny. I get it, you're jerking me around. I won't play
>>> anymore.
>>>
>>> Janet US
>>
>> You are correct about that - I am jerking you around. At least you were able to comprehend that.
>
> I had assume, incorrectly, that you had a genuine interest in food,
> cooking and learning something. Instead you're just a jerk.
> Bye
> Janet US
>

I suspect he's sick of all the idiotic head games and bullying here.

Just a thought.

On 1/30/2018 3:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:52:37 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> I don't think so. Real buttermilk is a by product of butter production.
>> Rich milk is allowed to stand, allowing the cream and milk to separate.
>> The buttermilk is what is left after the churned butter is removed.
>> Commercially produced buttermilk is made by inoculating a bacterium to
>> replicate the naturally occurring process. In other words, commercially
>> made buttermilk isn't really butter milk. It is a cultured milk. That is
>> why you can often use milk with vinegar or apple juice, yogurt or keffir
>> in recipes in place of buttermilk. AAMOF, I started the thread with my
>> report about adding some vanilla yogurt the pancake mix and ended up
>> with the best pancakes ever.
>
> I'm familiar with cultured buttermilk. My question was regarding real buttermilk AKA, "traditional buttermilk." At one time, people used to drink the stuff. What happens to it today? I calculate it to be around 700 million gallons.
>
> I used to spend a lot of time making yogurt waffles when I was a kid. I agree with you - quick breads made with yogurt is good stuff. Rice flour in waffles is good stuff too. It probably wouldn't be so hot in pancakes though.
>

I'm frying sole fillets tonight - rice flour, some onion powder and
white pepper, seasoned salt and of course an egg wash.

Never had a complaint - the rice flour makes a superior coating to wheat
flour.

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 18:17:57 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-01-30 5:48 PM, Broce wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith
>
>>> Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
>>> you get.
>>
>> I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
>> also European. My mother hated buttermilk and I copied that without
>> ever trying it, so I don't know much about it.
>
>
>You live there so you can check. FWIW, my father loved buttermilk. It
>always grossed me out to watch him do that, but I was not much less
>repulsed to watch my brothers drink milk.
>
when I was growing up we had real buttermilk. It had little specks of
butter in it and was thick and creamy. It tasted different too.
Janet US

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 2:58:56 PM UTC-10, CaÃ*da de la casa wrote:
>
> I suspect he's sick of all the idiotic head games and bullying here.
>
> Just a thought.

The main problem is that nobody seems to be aware of what my question was about. No matter. The way I figure it, what's left over from the manufacture of butter gets added to skim milk and is cultured into buttermilk. That's something that I totally made up but it's the best answer I got yet.

On 1/30/2018 9:58 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 2:58:56 PM UTC-10, CaÃ*da de la casa wrote:
>>
>> I suspect he's sick of all the idiotic head games and bullying here.
>>
>> Just a thought.
>
> The main problem is that nobody seems to be aware of what my question was about. No matter. The way I figure it, what's left over from the manufacture of butter gets added to skim milk and is cultured into buttermilk. That's something that I totally made up but it's the best answer I got yet.
>

From an innocent and sound-curious food ingredients parry issues forth ire.

:-(

Here in predatory RFC you might just as well have told everyone your
brother was (or is) ***.

I'm beginning to weary of these senile assholes in a palpable and
largely irreversible way.

I do not include you, Ms. O, or Cheri in that yawning disappointment
tunnel, nor certain others who know who and what they are.

Nori up bro.

We all need a firewall against our surly sides.

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 5:05:51 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-01-30 1:42 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:15:10 AM UTC-5, Thomas wrote:
> >>> Buttermilk is a must for coleslaw. It is used in the knockoff kfc
> >>> recipe.
> >>
> >> No, it's not.Â* With lunch today, I had coleslaw made with red wine
> >> vinegar, extra-virgin olive oil, salt, and pepper.
> >>
> >> When I make creamy cole slaw, it's mayonnaise thinned with a little
> >> vinegar, a tiny bit of sugar added to tone down the vinegar, salt,
> >> and pepper.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >
> > Same with me, I have never used buttermilk for cole slaw.
> >
>
> This is the first time I have even heard of it. I know that it is used
> in Ranch dressing. I cannot imagine it being a must for cole slaw if I
> have never had it in cole slaw, and, apparently, I am not the only one.

I've seen buttermilk cole slaw recipes before. But the idea that buttermilk
is required for cole slaw is risible.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 5:12:52 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:52:37 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > I don't think so. Real buttermilk is a by product of butter production.
> > Rich milk is allowed to stand, allowing the cream and milk to separate.
> > The buttermilk is what is left after the churned butter is removed.
> > Commercially produced buttermilk is made by inoculating a bacterium to
> > replicate the naturally occurring process. In other words, commercially
> > made buttermilk isn't really butter milk. It is a cultured milk. That is
> > why you can often use milk with vinegar or apple juice, yogurt or keffir
> > in recipes in place of buttermilk. AAMOF, I started the thread with my
> > report about adding some vanilla yogurt the pancake mix and ended up
> > with the best pancakes ever.
>
> I'm familiar with cultured buttermilk. My question was regarding real buttermilk AKA, "traditional buttermilk." At one time, people used to drink the stuff. What happens to it today? I calculate it to be around 700 million gallons.

Since nobody here works in commercial butter manufacture, why don't you
just ask Google?

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
says...

> That's something that I totally made up

Like so many of your trashy posts, and Bruce's.

Two in a long line of trolls cultivated and encouraged by Ophelia.


Janet UK

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2018-01-30 5:48 PM, Broce wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith
>
> >> Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
> >> you get.
> >
> > I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
> > also European.

Any cook who bothered to read the thread knows the answer.

You're just trolling like ds1, another idiot trying to disrupt food
-related discussions.

> You live there so you can check.

Oh, someone else has seen through Bruce's pretendy life in Australia
LOL

Janet UK

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 6:19:15 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > I've seen buttermilk cole slaw recipes before. But the idea that buttermilk
> is required for cole slaw is risible.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I should have said "for me".

On 2018-01-30 11:25 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 18:17:57 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>>
>> You live there so you can check. FWIW, my father loved buttermilk. It
>> always grossed me out to watch him do that, but I was not much less
>> repulsed to watch my brothers drink milk.
>>
> when I was growing up we had real buttermilk. It had little specks of
> butter in it and was thick and creamy. It tasted different too.


I remember the stuff being thin. The (cultured) buttermilk we get here
is really thick. I often have to thin it down to get the right texture
for batters.

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 9:31:50 AM UTC-5, Thomas wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 6:19:15 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > I've seen buttermilk cole slaw recipes before. But the idea that buttermilk
> > is required for cole slaw is risible.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> I should have said "for me".

Duly noted. I haven't yet tried buttermilk for cole slaw (and I have
no interest in KFC knockoffs), but that's probably because I don't
often have it on hand. I do like it a lot for ranch dressing; I
use the Joy of Cooking recipe (more or less), but without the mayo
because I prefer a thinner dressing. Better coverage with less
dressing, and the taste of the vegetables comes through more
clearly. Perhaps I would find the same to be the case with cole
slaw.

Cindy Hamilton

On 1/31/2018 6:40 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
>> That's something that I totally made up
>
> Like so many of your trashy posts, and Bruce's.
>
> Two in a long line of trolls cultivated and encouraged by Ophelia.
>
>
> Janet UK
>
>
>
>
>
Bugger off, vinegar tits!

On 1/31/2018 6:51 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 2018-01-30 5:48 PM, Broce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith
>>
>>>> Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
>>>> you get.
>>>
>>> I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
>>> also European.
>
> Any cook who bothered to read the thread knows the answer.
>
> You're just trolling like ds1, another idiot trying to disrupt food
> -related discussions.

Wait, you eschew political whinging for FOOD now?

Who knew...


>> You live there so you can check.
>
> Oh, someone else has seen through Bruce's pretendy life in Australia
> LOL
>
> Janet UK

MEOWWWRRR!!!

On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:40:40 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>
>> That's something that I totally made up
>
> Like so many of your trashy posts, and Bruce's.
>
> Two in a long line of trolls cultivated and encouraged by Ophelia.

I have no idea what this is about or what I have to do with it. I
guess Janet's just trolling.

On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:51:31 -0000, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> On 2018-01-30 5:48 PM, Broce wrote:
>> > On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith
>>
>> >> Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
>> >> you get.
>> >
>> > I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
>> > also European.
>
> Any cook who bothered to read the thread knows the answer.
>
> You're just trolling like ds1, another idiot trying to disrupt food
>-related discussions.
>
>> You live there so you can check.
>
> Oh, someone else has seen through Bruce's pretendy life in Australia
>LOL

Because I live in Australia I can check Dutch buttermilk? What kind of
logic is that?

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 1:20:26 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Since nobody here works in commercial butter manufacture, why don't you
> just ask Google?
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Oddly enough, there are some things that you can't find by Googling. What I did find out is that real buttermilk is trending. The trendy stuff is European style made with cultured cream, not fresh cream so it's thicker than American style buttermilk. The dirty little secret is that you can't get it in stores. That's the breaks.

On 1/31/2018 9:22 AM, Broce wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:40:40 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>
>>> That's something that I totally made up
>>
>> Like so many of your trashy posts, and Bruce's.
>>
>> Two in a long line of trolls cultivated and encouraged by Ophelia.
>
> I have no idea what this is about or what I have to do with it. I
> guess Janet's just trolling.
>

RFC = Troll Cemntral.


Bwuthie/pot/kettle/troll.

On 1/29/2018 10:15 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/29/2018 10:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 11:36:00 AM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually,Â* If you are lucky, you can still get buttermilk as a
>>> by-product of churning butter.Â* Otherwise, as you say, it is a
>>> cultured product.
>>> Janet US
>>
>> It makes perfect sense to call the liquid left after making butter
>> "buttermilk." I've never had it nor have I seen such a thing in
>> stores. My guess is that butter producers would have tons of that
>> stuff on hand. What the heck do they do with it?
>>
>
> They sell it to people that want to make pancakes.
>
> Good for soaking chicken parts in for fried chicken.Â* Some people drink
> it but I never could.

My father loved buttermilk as a beverage. I never could stand to drink
it. Yes, it makes a nice addition to chicken or fish batter. It's also
a good addition to cornbread.

I don't usually have buttermilk on hand so I do the vinegar in milk
trick Dave mentioned. I've used buttermilk powder in the past when baking.

Jill

On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 03:23:18 +1100, Broce >
wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:51:31 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>>says...
>>>
>>> On 2018-01-30 5:48 PM, Broce wrote:
>>> > On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
>>> >>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>
>>> >> Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
>>> >> you get.
>>> >
>>> > I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
>>> > also European.
>>
>> Any cook who bothered to read the thread knows the answer.
>>
>> You're just trolling like ds1, another idiot trying to disrupt food
>>-related discussions.
>>
>>> You live there so you can check.
>>
>> Oh, someone else has seen through Bruce's pretendy life in Australia
>>LOL
>
>Because I live in Australia I can check Dutch buttermilk? What kind of
>logic is that?

Bruce/Broce, which is it?

On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 12:25:44 -0500, wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 03:23:18 +1100, Broce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:51:31 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>>In article >,
>>>says...
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-01-30 5:48 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>> > On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>> >>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>
>>>> >> Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
>>>> >> you get.
>>>> >
>>>> > I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
>>>> > also European.
>>>
>>> Any cook who bothered to read the thread knows the answer.
>>>
>>> You're just trolling like ds1, another idiot trying to disrupt food
>>>-related discussions.
>>>
>>>> You live there so you can check.
>>>
>>> Oh, someone else has seen through Bruce's pretendy life in Australia
>>>LOL
>>
>>Because I live in Australia I can check Dutch buttermilk? What kind of
>>logic is that?
>
>Bruce/Broce, which is it?

Bruce.

On 1/31/2018 12:25 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 03:23:18 +1100, Broce >
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:51:31 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-01-30 5:48 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
>>>>>> you get.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
>>>>> also European.
>>>
>>> Any cook who bothered to read the thread knows the answer.
>>>
>>> You're just trolling like ds1, another idiot trying to disrupt food
>>> -related discussions.
>>>
>>>> You live there so you can check.
>>>
>>> Oh, someone else has seen through Bruce's pretendy life in Australia
>>> LOL
>>
>> Because I live in Australia I can check Dutch buttermilk? What kind of
>> logic is that?
>
> Bruce/Broce, which is it?
>
A nymshifting troll.

Jill

On 1/31/2018 8:51 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 2018-01-30 5:48 PM, Broce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith
>>
>>>> Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
>>>> you get.
>>>
>>> I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
>>> also European.
>
> Any cook who bothered to read the thread knows the answer.
>
> You're just trolling like ds1, another idiot trying to disrupt food
> -related discussions.
>
>> You live there so you can check.
>
> Oh, someone else has seen through Bruce's pretendy life in Australia
> LOL
>
> Janet UK
>
And what the heck is Dutch buttermilk?! Buttermilk is buttermilk.

Jill

On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:06:30 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 1/31/2018 12:25 PM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 03:23:18 +1100, Broce >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:51:31 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, someone else has seen through Bruce's pretendy life in Australia
>>>> LOL
>>>
>>> Because I live in Australia I can check Dutch buttermilk? What kind of
>>> logic is that?
>>
>> Bruce/Broce, which is it?
>>
>A nymshifting troll.

Be nice to people, McBiddie.

On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:08:23 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 1/31/2018 8:51 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On 2018-01-30 5:48 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>
>>>>> Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
>>>>> you get.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
>>>> also European.
>>
>> Any cook who bothered to read the thread knows the answer.
>>
>> You're just trolling like ds1, another idiot trying to disrupt food
>> -related discussions.
>>
>>> You live there so you can check.
>>
>> Oh, someone else has seen through Bruce's pretendy life in Australia
>> LOL
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>And what the heck is Dutch buttermilk?! Buttermilk is buttermilk.

In North America, there are 2 types of buttermilk: traditional (farms)
and modern/cultured (supermarkets). As it turns out, this is the same
in the Netherlands. Thank you.

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:24:17 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 1:20:26 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Since nobody here works in commercial butter manufacture, why don't you
> > just ask Google?
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Oddly enough, there are some things that you can't find by Googling.

I was able to find that the buttermilk from commercial butter production
ends up being dried. I wasn't interested enough to try to find out
what happens after that. My kung fu is superior.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2018-01-31 1:26 PM, l not -l wrote:
> On 31-Jan-2018, wrote:

>> I don't usually have buttermilk on hand so I do the vinegar in
>> milk
>> trick Dave mentioned. I've used buttermilk powder in the past
>> when baking.
> Interesting to me is the number of people on RFC who have
> experienced "real" buttermilk. With the exception of a couple of
> folks, I believe most hear are around my age or younger. I have
> never seen "real" buttermilk, only cultured. My memories go back
> at least until the very early 1950s, I lived in a rural
> community, with one set of grandparents farmers, the other ran a
> general store that catered to farmers in a really rural area.
> Buttermilk always meant the thick cultured buttermilk, as today.

I have faint memories of it from late 1950s. I sort of lost track of
buttermilk until a few years ago when I bought some to try a lemon scone
recipe. It is much thicker than I remembered it. The powdered stuff I
frequently use makes a much thinner product.


> Both of my "store" grandparents drank buttermilk and a favorite
> treat for them was to crumble leftover cornbread in a cup or bowl
> and pour buttermilk over it and eat it with a spoon. Anytime a
> family member had a sore throat, (cultured) buttermilk was the
> "medicine" offered.
I guess my family was different. My grandfather's special dessert treat
was a bowl of maple syrup with bread and butter. My father's cough
remedy for us, much to my mother's disgust, was a shot of whiskey.

On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 04:34:53 +1100, Broce >
wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 12:25:44 -0500, wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 03:23:18 +1100, Broce >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:51:31 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article >,
>>>>says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-01-30 5:48 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>>> > On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>>> >>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
>>>>> >> you get.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
>>>>> > also European.
>>>>
>>>> Any cook who bothered to read the thread knows the answer.
>>>>
>>>> You're just trolling like ds1, another idiot trying to disrupt food
>>>>-related discussions.
>>>>
>>>>> You live there so you can check.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, someone else has seen through Bruce's pretendy life in Australia
>>>>LOL
>>>
>>>Because I live in Australia I can check Dutch buttermilk? What kind of
>>>logic is that?
>>
>>Bruce/Broce, which is it?
>
>Bruce.

So who's Brose... a limp wristed typo?

On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:06:30 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 1/31/2018 12:25 PM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 03:23:18 +1100, Broce >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:51:31 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-01-30 5:48 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
>>>>>>> you get.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
>>>>>> also European.
>>>>
>>>> Any cook who bothered to read the thread knows the answer.
>>>>
>>>> You're just trolling like ds1, another idiot trying to disrupt food
>>>> -related discussions.
>>>>
>>>>> You live there so you can check.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, someone else has seen through Bruce's pretendy life in Australia
>>>> LOL
>>>
>>> Because I live in Australia I can check Dutch buttermilk? What kind of
>>> logic is that?
>>
>> Bruce/Broce, which is it?
>>
>A nymshifting troll.
>
>Jill

Why would a normal human being do that?

On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 05:22:05 +1100, Bryce >
wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:06:30 -0500, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 1/31/2018 12:25 PM, wrote:
>>> On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 03:23:18 +1100, Broce >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:51:31 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, someone else has seen through Bruce's pretendy life in Australia
>>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>> Because I live in Australia I can check Dutch buttermilk? What kind of
>>>> logic is that?
>>>
>>> Bruce/Broce, which is it?
>>>
>>A nymshifting troll.
>
>Be nice to people, McBiddie.

Um, Bryce is already taken, it's a Canyon in Utah.
https://www.nps.gov/brca/index.htm

On 1/31/2018 1:53 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> My father's cough
> remedy for us, much to my mother's disgust, was a shot of whiskey.
>
>

Rock and Rye. Cures most anything. Worth getting sick for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_Rye

On 1/31/2018 2:15 PM, wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:06:30 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/31/2018 12:25 PM, wrote:
>>> On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 03:23:18 +1100, Broce >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:51:31 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2018-01-30 5:48 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
>>>>>>>> you get.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
>>>>>>> also European.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any cook who bothered to read the thread knows the answer.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're just trolling like ds1, another idiot trying to disrupt food
>>>>> -related discussions.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You live there so you can check.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, someone else has seen through Bruce's pretendy life in Australia
>>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>> Because I live in Australia I can check Dutch buttermilk? What kind of
>>>> logic is that?
>>>
>>> Bruce/Broce, which is it?
>>>
>> A nymshifting troll.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Why would a normal human being do that?
>
Who said this person was normal? LOL

Jill

On 1/31/2018 10:25 AM, wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 03:23:18 +1100, Broce >
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:51:31 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-01-30 5:48 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:33 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2018-01-30 4:58 PM, Broce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:54:41 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, but when you buy buttermilk in the grocery store that is not what
>>>>>> you get.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if that 'cultured buttermilk' is a North American thing or
>>>>> also European.
>>>
>>> Any cook who bothered to read the thread knows the answer.
>>>
>>> You're just trolling like ds1, another idiot trying to disrupt food
>>> -related discussions.
>>>
>>>> You live there so you can check.
>>>
>>> Oh, someone else has seen through Bruce's pretendy life in Australia
>>> LOL
>>
>> Because I live in Australia I can check Dutch buttermilk? What kind of
>> logic is that?
>
> Bruce/Broce, which is it?
>

Bwothe!

;-)

On 1/31/2018 11:32 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:24:17 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 1:20:26 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> Since nobody here works in commercial butter manufacture, why don't you
>>> just ask Google?
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Oddly enough, there are some things that you can't find by Googling.
>
> I was able to find that the buttermilk from commercial butter production
> ends up being dried. I wasn't interested enough to try to find out
> what happens after that. My kung fu is superior.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>


Hang on now, kung fu buttermilk?

How's that work?

On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 10:32:43 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:24:17 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 1:20:26 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > Since nobody here works in commercial butter manufacture, why don't you
>> > just ask Google?
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Oddly enough, there are some things that you can't find by Googling.
>
>I was able to find that the buttermilk from commercial butter production
>ends up being dried. I wasn't interested enough to try to find out
>what happens after that. My kung fu is superior.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

you can buy it as a shelf stable ingredient for baking. It eliminates
the leftovers in the fridge. It cannot be re-hydrated to soak chicken
and fish and make salad dressings.
Janet US

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 8:32:47 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> I was able to find that the buttermilk from commercial butter production
> ends up being dried. I wasn't interested enough to try to find out
> what happens after that. My kung fu is superior.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I need more information on this. Please cite a source. Otherwise, your kung fu sucks.