http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-cancer.html

"Packed with chemical additives, the [processed] foods bear little
resemblance to home-cooked meals. And the more of them an individual
eats, the higher their risk of cancer of any type."

Ingredient lists, I tell you! Ingredient lists!

On 2/15/2018 4:49 AM, Bruce wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-cancer.html
>
> "Packed with chemical additives, the [processed] foods bear little
> resemblance to home-cooked meals. And the more of them an individual
> eats, the higher their risk of cancer of any type."
>
> Ingredient lists, I tell you! Ingredient lists!

Â* You won't find a lot of processed food on our table . Probably 80% of
what we eat comes into the house as raw ingredients ... in our case
that's partly/mostly because of "food allergies" - though the list of
foods that cause problems is also the list of foods that are doused with
Roundup .

--
Snag
Ain't no dollar sign on
peace of mind - Zac Brown

On 2/15/2018 5:49 AM, Bruce wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-cancer.html
>
> "Packed with chemical additives, the [processed] foods bear little
> resemblance to home-cooked meals. And the more of them an individual
> eats, the higher their risk of cancer of any type."
>
> Ingredient lists, I tell you! Ingredient lists!
>
Right. read the list. All that crap cannot be good for you long term.
I tray to avoid any pre-made crap for that reason. Most is overpowering
with salt too and devoid of the actual taste of the ingredients.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:50:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/15/2018 5:49 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-cancer.html
>>
>> "Packed with chemical additives, the [processed] foods bear little
>> resemblance to home-cooked meals. And the more of them an individual
>> eats, the higher their risk of cancer of any type."
>>
>> Ingredient lists, I tell you! Ingredient lists!
>>
>Right. read the list. All that crap cannot be good for you long term.
>I tray to avoid any pre-made crap for that reason. Most is overpowering
>with salt too and devoid of the actual taste of the ingredients.

I do buy bread but they make it on the premises at my supermarket. If
you're not there before noon, it is all gone. I like their small flax
bread, unsliced. So since that's the only thing on the list I buy,
wonder what will get me??

As for organic this 'n that, I buy regular. There may be genuine
organic farmers but the mist from stuff sprayed on other fields hits
theirs too. So you would need to examine the farm to see if it was
really worth all that extra money.

On 2018-02-15 6:59 AM, wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:50:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>> Right. read the list. All that crap cannot be good for you long term.
>> I tray to avoid any pre-made crap for that reason. Most is overpowering
>> with salt too and devoid of the actual taste of the ingredients.
>
> I do buy bread but they make it on the premises at my supermarket. If
> you're not there before noon, it is all gone. I like their small flax
> bread, unsliced. So since that's the only thing on the list I buy,
> wonder what will get me??
>

What many don't realise is that bread is a significant source of salt in
the diet.
The standard amount is 2% of the weight of the flour so for a 900g (2lb)
loaf, which contains about 550g of flour, there will be 11g of salt.
Graham

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:19:31 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-02-15 6:59 AM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:50:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>> Right. read the list. All that crap cannot be good for you long term.
>>> I tray to avoid any pre-made crap for that reason. Most is overpowering
>>> with salt too and devoid of the actual taste of the ingredients.
>>
>> I do buy bread but they make it on the premises at my supermarket. If
>> you're not there before noon, it is all gone. I like their small flax
>> bread, unsliced. So since that's the only thing on the list I buy,
>> wonder what will get me??
>>
>
>What many don't realise is that bread is a significant source of salt in
>the diet.
>The standard amount is 2% of the weight of the flour so for a 900g (2lb)
>loaf, which contains about 550g of flour, there will be 11g of salt.
>Graham

Salt is good for very low blood pressure

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 10:19:34 AM UTC-5, graham wrote:
> On 2018-02-15 6:59 AM, wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:50:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >> Right. read the list. All that crap cannot be good for you long term.
> >> I tray to avoid any pre-made crap for that reason. Most is overpowering
> >> with salt too and devoid of the actual taste of the ingredients.
> >
> > I do buy bread but they make it on the premises at my supermarket. If
> > you're not there before noon, it is all gone. I like their small flax
> > bread, unsliced. So since that's the only thing on the list I buy,
> > wonder what will get me??
> >
>
> What many don't realise is that bread is a significant source of salt in
> the diet.
> The standard amount is 2% of the weight of the flour so for a 900g (2lb)
> loaf, which contains about 550g of flour, there will be 11g of salt.
> Graham

Salt is a significant source of salt in my diet. For example, my
morning bowl of oatmeal gets slightly more than 1/4 teaspoon of
kosher salt.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:59:06 -0400, wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:50:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>Right. read the list. All that crap cannot be good for you long term.
>>I tray to avoid any pre-made crap for that reason. Most is overpowering
>>with salt too and devoid of the actual taste of the ingredients.
>
>I do buy bread but they make it on the premises at my supermarket. If
>you're not there before noon, it is all gone. I like their small flax
>bread, unsliced. So since that's the only thing on the list I buy,
>wonder what will get me??
>
>As for organic this 'n that, I buy regular. There may be genuine
>organic farmers but the mist from stuff sprayed on other fields hits
>theirs too. So you would need to examine the farm to see if it was
>really worth all that extra money.

Doesn't eligibility for the "organic" label also take your neighbours
into account? Or I guess requirements differ per country.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 05:11:15 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:59:06 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:50:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>Right. read the list. All that crap cannot be good for you long term.
>>>I tray to avoid any pre-made crap for that reason. Most is overpowering
>>>with salt too and devoid of the actual taste of the ingredients.
>>
>>I do buy bread but they make it on the premises at my supermarket. If
>>you're not there before noon, it is all gone. I like their small flax
>>bread, unsliced. So since that's the only thing on the list I buy,
>>wonder what will get me??
>>
>>As for organic this 'n that, I buy regular. There may be genuine
>>organic farmers but the mist from stuff sprayed on other fields hits
>>theirs too. So you would need to examine the farm to see if it was
>>really worth all that extra money.
>
>Doesn't eligibility for the "organic" label also take your neighbours
>into account? Or I guess requirements differ per country.

Not as far as I know, I believe its based on what you do with your
land. I really don't know. I once shopped for the woman opposite me
after she had a replacement shoulder, for about four weeks. I would
get her list which was pretty similar to mine except all her
veggies/fruit etc had to be organic and noticed she had to spend quite
a bit more than me and that in the case of fruit, it looked pretty
tacky by comparison to my sinful stuff

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:46:29 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 10:19:34 AM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>> On 2018-02-15 6:59 AM, wrote:
>> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:50:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> >> Right. read the list. All that crap cannot be good for you long term.
>> >> I tray to avoid any pre-made crap for that reason. Most is overpowering
>> >> with salt too and devoid of the actual taste of the ingredients.
>> >
>> > I do buy bread but they make it on the premises at my supermarket. If
>> > you're not there before noon, it is all gone. I like their small flax
>> > bread, unsliced. So since that's the only thing on the list I buy,
>> > wonder what will get me??
>> >
>>
>> What many don't realise is that bread is a significant source of salt in
>> the diet.
>> The standard amount is 2% of the weight of the flour so for a 900g (2lb)
>> loaf, which contains about 550g of flour, there will be 11g of salt.
>> Graham
>
>Salt is a significant source of salt in my diet. For example, my
>morning bowl of oatmeal gets slightly more than 1/4 teaspoon of
>kosher salt.

I was checked for salt sensitivity when I was diagnosed with high
blood pressure. Reducing salt made NO difference in BP.

And the RDA for salt in adults is 4 grams, meaning (in the bread
example), you'd need to eat a full 3rd of a loaf a day to get too
much.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 15:11:12 -0400, wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 05:11:15 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:59:06 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:50:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Right. read the list. All that crap cannot be good for you long term.
>>>>I tray to avoid any pre-made crap for that reason. Most is overpowering
>>>>with salt too and devoid of the actual taste of the ingredients.
>>>
>>>I do buy bread but they make it on the premises at my supermarket. If
>>>you're not there before noon, it is all gone. I like their small flax
>>>bread, unsliced. So since that's the only thing on the list I buy,
>>>wonder what will get me??
>>>
>>>As for organic this 'n that, I buy regular. There may be genuine
>>>organic farmers but the mist from stuff sprayed on other fields hits
>>>theirs too. So you would need to examine the farm to see if it was
>>>really worth all that extra money.
>>
>>Doesn't eligibility for the "organic" label also take your neighbours
>>into account? Or I guess requirements differ per country.
>
>Not as far as I know, I believe its based on what you do with your
>land. I really don't know. I once shopped for the woman opposite me
>after she had a replacement shoulder, for about four weeks. I would
>get her list which was pretty similar to mine except all her
>veggies/fruit etc had to be organic and noticed she had to spend quite
>a bit more than me and that in the case of fruit, it looked pretty
>tacky by comparison to my sinful stuff

I've noticed that too. Scrawny but more expensive. But I also see more
and more products that are priced normally and look ok, but are
"organic". Maybe things are improving as the demand grows.

The article wasn't so much about organic, by the way, but about food
additives and processing. With certain products, you're eating a
science project, and not so much the product you think you're buying.
But my guess is that you don't buy many of those.

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 3:50:04 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Right. read the list. All that crap cannot be good for you long term.
> I tray to avoid any pre-made crap for that reason. Most is overpowering
> with salt too and devoid of the actual taste of the ingredients.

I was just thinking last night, while salting some steaks, is what a wonderful thing salt does to food - it makes foods tasty! It's not salt or chemicals or GMO that's killing us. What kills most people is not limiting their intake of fats and calories. All that other stuff is many, many, red herrings. People believe they can rid their diet of pesticides and chemicals. What most people seem to be unable to do limit their eating.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...1105cdRNxwDW01

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:41:46 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 3:50:04 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Right. read the list. All that crap cannot be good for you long term.
>> I tray to avoid any pre-made crap for that reason. Most is overpowering
>> with salt too and devoid of the actual taste of the ingredients.
>
>I was just thinking last night, while salting some steaks, is what a wonderful thing salt does to food - it makes foods tasty! It's not salt or chemicals or GMO that's killing us. What kills most people is not limiting their intake of fats and calories. All that other stuff is many, many, red herrings. People believe they can rid their diet of pesticides and chemicals. What most people seem to be unable to do limit their eating.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...1105cdRNxwDW01

Total simplification. Just because one thing's bad for us doesn't mean
something else isn't bad for us.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 06:32:18 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 15:11:12 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 05:11:15 +1100, Bruce >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:59:06 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:50:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Right. read the list. All that crap cannot be good for you long term.
>>>>>I tray to avoid any pre-made crap for that reason. Most is overpowering
>>>>>with salt too and devoid of the actual taste of the ingredients.
>>>>
>>>>I do buy bread but they make it on the premises at my supermarket. If
>>>>you're not there before noon, it is all gone. I like their small flax
>>>>bread, unsliced. So since that's the only thing on the list I buy,
>>>>wonder what will get me??
>>>>
>>>>As for organic this 'n that, I buy regular. There may be genuine
>>>>organic farmers but the mist from stuff sprayed on other fields hits
>>>>theirs too. So you would need to examine the farm to see if it was
>>>>really worth all that extra money.
>>>
>>>Doesn't eligibility for the "organic" label also take your neighbours
>>>into account? Or I guess requirements differ per country.
>>
>>Not as far as I know, I believe its based on what you do with your
>>land. I really don't know. I once shopped for the woman opposite me
>>after she had a replacement shoulder, for about four weeks. I would
>>get her list which was pretty similar to mine except all her
>>veggies/fruit etc had to be organic and noticed she had to spend quite
>>a bit more than me and that in the case of fruit, it looked pretty
>>tacky by comparison to my sinful stuff
>
>I've noticed that too. Scrawny but more expensive. But I also see more
>and more products that are priced normally and look ok, but are
>"organic". Maybe things are improving as the demand grows.
>
>The article wasn't so much about organic, by the way, but about food
>additives and processing. With certain products, you're eating a
>science project, and not so much the product you think you're buying.
>But my guess is that you don't buy many of those.

Right, the only one on the list was bread.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:28:39 -0400, wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 06:32:18 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 15:11:12 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>>Not as far as I know, I believe its based on what you do with your
>>>land. I really don't know. I once shopped for the woman opposite me
>>>after she had a replacement shoulder, for about four weeks. I would
>>>get her list which was pretty similar to mine except all her
>>>veggies/fruit etc had to be organic and noticed she had to spend quite
>>>a bit more than me and that in the case of fruit, it looked pretty
>>>tacky by comparison to my sinful stuff
>>
>>I've noticed that too. Scrawny but more expensive. But I also see more
>>and more products that are priced normally and look ok, but are
>>"organic". Maybe things are improving as the demand grows.
>>
>>The article wasn't so much about organic, by the way, but about food
>>additives and processing. With certain products, you're eating a
>>science project, and not so much the product you think you're buying.
>>But my guess is that you don't buy many of those.
>
>Right, the only one on the list was bread.

Chocolate and lately bread in my case.

> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:46:29 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 10:19:34 AM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-15 6:59 AM, wrote:
>>> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:50:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Right. read the list. All that crap cannot be good for you long
>>> >> term.
>>> >> I tray to avoid any pre-made crap for that reason. Most is
>>> >> overpowering
>>> >> with salt too and devoid of the actual taste of the ingredients.
>>> >
>>> > I do buy bread but they make it on the premises at my supermarket. If
>>> > you're not there before noon, it is all gone. I like their small flax
>>> > bread, unsliced. So since that's the only thing on the list I buy,
>>> > wonder what will get me??
>>> >
>>>
>>> What many don't realise is that bread is a significant source of salt in
>>> the diet.
>>> The standard amount is 2% of the weight of the flour so for a 900g (2lb)
>>> loaf, which contains about 550g of flour, there will be 11g of salt.
>>> Graham
>>
>>Salt is a significant source of salt in my diet. For example, my
>>morning bowl of oatmeal gets slightly more than 1/4 teaspoon of
>>kosher salt.
>
> I was checked for salt sensitivity when I was diagnosed with high
> blood pressure. Reducing salt made NO difference in BP.

Same here. I do tend towards having low blood sodium though. Not sure why. I
have to drink some G2 every once in awhile, especially in the summer.
>
> And the RDA for salt in adults is 4 grams, meaning (in the bread
> example), you'd need to eat a full 3rd of a loaf a day to get too
> much.

Most days I eat two slices of bread. Very rarely I eat more than that. But
bread is not a favorite food.

In article >,
dsi1 > wrote:

> I was just thinking last night, while salting some steaks, is what a
> wonderful thing salt does to food - it makes foods tasty! It's not salt or
> chemicals or GMO that's killing us. What kills most people is not limiting
> their intake of fats and calories. All that other stuff is many, many, red
> herrings. People believe they can rid their diet of pesticides and chemicals.
> What most people seem to be unable to do limit their eating.

What you can't do is limit your own genetics. Your genetics and how
your own body reacts to salt, cholesterol, cigarettes, alcohol and a
thousand other yet to be determined things will point to when you will
die fairly accurately. Science just isn't there yet, and everybody is
different. Of course, stupidity, violence and war negate genetic
concerns.
Choose your poison in the proper quantities for your genetic makeup,
and watch out for neutrinos. Quintillions have passed through you since
you were born. That can't be good.

[ObFood] Ham.

leo

On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 11:07:09 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
> What you can't do is limit your own genetics. Your genetics and how
> your own body reacts to salt, cholesterol, cigarettes, alcohol and a
> thousand other yet to be determined things will point to when you will
> die fairly accurately. Science just isn't there yet, and everybody is
> different. Of course, stupidity, violence and war negate genetic
> concerns.
> Choose your poison in the proper quantities for your genetic makeup,
> and watch out for neutrinos. Quintillions have passed through you since
> you were born. That can't be good.
>
> [ObFood] Ham.
>
> leo

I do watch out for neutrinos. I see one coming, I'm going in the opposite direction. It's the smart thing to do.