On 2018-04-30 6:55 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-04-30 6:04 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>>> Do you know anyone who smokes MJ who didn't start with tobacco?
>>
>> No one that I know now smokes pot.Â* Back in the day I knew a lot of
>> pot smokers who wouldn't touch tobacco.
>
> Years ago, just about everyone I knew smoked pot. One of the exceptions
> is my wife. In my circle of friends it got to the point where only one
> person still did. He died aÂ* couple years ago.Â* I know some younger
> people who do. It's odd, but for a substance that many claim is
> addictive and a gateway, I just know too many people who smoked it
> regularly for years and then just tired of it and quit.
>
>
>
My father let me have a puff of his pipe when I was about 5 yrs old.
That cured me and therefore I have never smoked since! I have always
hated the smells associated with the filthy habit.
ISTM that much of the evidence in favour of the medical use of MJ is
anecdotal. I was sceptical when the early campaigners for legalising it
for medical conditions were nearly all potheads.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 07:11:00 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-04-30 7:00 AM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 08:40:00 -0400, Nancy Young >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/30/2018 6:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Nancy Young"* wrote
>>>
>>>> It's been my observation that people should worry more about
>>>> people driving under the influence of cell phones.* My trip to
>>>> DC and back shows it's as bad as ever.
>>>
>>>> Using cell phones while driving is illegal here.* If you are spotted
>>>> using one you will be in real trouble.
>>>
>>> It's illegal here, too. Unless there happens to be a cop right
>>> there, you're not going to get into trouble with the law.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> It's been illegal here for maybe five years or more and I rarely see
>> anyone holding a phone anymore, suffice to say, if I do, I notice them
>> now!
>>
>It's illegal here too but one still sees idiots ignoring the law. One
>case I saw recently was a car in front of me that was very slow to react
>to light changes and it was being driven haphazardly. So I overtook as
>soon as I could. It turned out to be an elderly woman texting!.

Heh! Wasn't me

wrote:

> It's been illegal here for several years now. You can use it with
> blue tooth, I do occasionally.

That's not even good. When driving, ALL of your attention should
be on driving. NO distractions whatsoever. Even using remote blue
tooth takes away your attention. Listening to someone or talking
is NOT paying attention to your driving and to other drivers.

Every see a very bad car crash? Turn your phone off while
driving.

graham wrote:
>
> ISTM that much of the evidence in favour of the medical use of MJ is
> anecdotal. I was sceptical when the early campaigners for legalising it
> for medical conditions were nearly all potheads.

They still are.

On 2018-04-30 8:59 AM, wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 22:10:07 +1000, Bruce >

>>
>> Isn't it illegal everywhere?
>
> It's been illegal here for several years now. You can use it with
> blue tooth, I do occasionally.

I have to say that I am distracted enough with a hands free telephone
conversation.

On 2018-04-30 9:00 AM, wrote:

>> It's illegal here, too. Unless there happens to be a cop right
>> there, you're not going to get into trouble with the law.
>>
>> nancy
>
> It's been illegal here for maybe five years or more and I rarely see
> anyone holding a phone anymore, suffice to say, if I do, I notice them
> now!

It has been illegal here for about the same amount of time, but it is
still so common that they recently boosted the penalties. People still
do it. Just the other day when I was out on the bike and saw an
oncoming car hit the shoulder, then over the centre line.... he was
looking at his device.

On 2018-04-30 9:11 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-04-30 7:00 AM, wrote:

> It's illegal here too but one still sees idiots ignoring the law. One
> case I saw recently was a car in front of me that was very slow to react
> to light changes and it was being driven haphazardly. So I overtook as
> soon as I could. It turned out to be an elderly woman texting!.


About to weeks ago I was stopped at a traffic light and could see in my
mirror that the driver behind me was texting. When the light changed I
just sat there, wondering if he would notice the light change. He
didn't. So I waited until the light turned amber then went through, and
he was stuck at the red light.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:51:15 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>
>> It's been illegal here for several years now. You can use it with
>> blue tooth, I do occasionally.
>
>That's not even good. When driving, ALL of your attention should
>be on driving. NO distractions whatsoever. Even using remote blue
>tooth takes away your attention. Listening to someone or talking
>is NOT paying attention to your driving and to other drivers.
>
>Every see a very bad car crash? Turn your phone off while
>driving.

So when you have passengers, you don't talk to them??

On 2018-04-30 10:04 AM, Gary wrote:
> graham wrote:
>>
>> ISTM that much of the evidence in favour of the medical use of MJ is
>> anecdotal. I was sceptical when the early campaigners for legalising it
>> for medical conditions were nearly all potheads.
>
> They still are.
>


No. they are not all already potheads. Friends of ours have a daughter
who has a ton of health issues. Hell, it's a wonder she is still alive.
She has already had to kidney transplants. She was recently prescribed
marijuana and gets it in oil form. The parents say it is doing wonders
for her.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 10:14:43 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-04-30 9:11 AM, graham wrote:
>> On 2018-04-30 7:00 AM, wrote:
>
>> It's illegal here too but one still sees idiots ignoring the law. One
>> case I saw recently was a car in front of me that was very slow to react
>> to light changes and it was being driven haphazardly. So I overtook as
>> soon as I could. It turned out to be an elderly woman texting!.
>
>
>About to weeks ago I was stopped at a traffic light and could see in my
>mirror that the driver behind me was texting. When the light changed I
>just sat there, wondering if he would notice the light change. He
>didn't. So I waited until the light turned amber then went through, and
>he was stuck at the red light.

You should have taken my name out of that!

On 2018-04-30 8:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-04-30 9:00 AM, wrote:
>
>>> It's illegal here, too.Â* Unless there happens to be a cop right
>>> there, you're not going to get into trouble with the law.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> It's been illegal here for maybe five years or more and I rarely see
>> anyone holding a phone anymore, suffice to say, if I do, I notice them
>> now!
>
> It has been illegal here for about the same amount of time, but it is
> still so common that they recently boosted the penalties. People still
> do it.Â* Just the other day when I was out on the bike and saw an
> oncoming car hit the shoulder, then over the centre line.... he was
> looking at his device.
>
>
>
OTOH I was following a car through the mountains on HW1 and it kept
drifting onto the shoulder and then back again. I thought that the
driver was one of those people (especially women*) who believe in making
eye contact when conversing. When I had the opportunity to pass, I was
right! She was drifting over when she turned to face her passenger as
she talked and had to correct when she wasn't.
*Lucretia - this is not a misogynistic but based on countless
observations. I have seen very few men do this.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> graham wrote:
>>
>> ISTM that much of the evidence in favour of the medical use of MJ is
>> anecdotal. I was sceptical when the early campaigners for legalising it
>> for medical conditions were nearly all potheads.
>
> They still are.


Except the FDA has approved a marijuana based drug for epilepsy, a CBD, no
high, just medical benefits. The thing is, in places like Colorado, for now
they will not be allowed to sell it at dispensaries since it will be a
prescription, big pharma wasn't about to stand by and let people use things
like Jayden's Juice for that without an astronomical price involved, not
that it's cheap now. I look for that to happen a lot. I use the MJ salve for
my hands, works well for arthritis.

Cheri

Pot isn't legal in NH yet, other than medical. The Live Free or Die state is lagging behind, I guess. Despite coming of age in the '60s, I've never even smoked a joint, but if it ever gets legalized here, I do intend to eat a pot brownie before I die, and if it helps my arthritic back and spazzy muscles, I just might have to become a pothead. There's a medical pot dispensary less than a mile away.

Denise in NH

On 2018-04-30 10:20 AM, wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:51:15 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>

>> Every see a very bad car crash? Turn your phone off while
>> driving.
>
> So when you have passengers, you don't talk to them??

When you have passengers with you your attention is not being sucked
away from driving. The passenger is an extra set of eyes.

Nancy Young wrote:

> On 4/30/2018 6:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Nancy Young"Â* wrote
>
> > It's been my observation that people should worry more about
> > people driving under the influence of cell phones.Â* My trip to
> > DC and back shows it's as bad as ever.
>
> > Using cell phones while driving is illegal here.Â* If you are spotted
> > using one you will be in real trouble.
>
> It's illegal here, too. Unless there happens to be a cop right
> there, you're not going to get into trouble with the law.


There are "red light" cameras, maybe someone will come up with "talking on cellphone" cameras...

;-)


--
Best
Greg

On 4/30/2018 11:42 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-04-30 10:20 AM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:51:15 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>
>>> Every see a very bad car crash? Turn your phone off while
>>> driving.
>>
>> So when you have passengers, you don't talk to them??
>
> When you have passengers with you your attention is not being sucked
> away from driving. The passenger is an extra set of eyes.
>
>
>
In addition, when traffic suddenly changes, you can readily stop the
conversation as will the passenger. Phones don't work the same.

There are times a simple "what's for dinner" call is not a big deal but
trying to do a tech service call can take a lot of brain power.

As for seeing a bad crash, I heard one on the road in back of me. Young
lady had phone in hand when killed in a head-on.

"Gary" wrote in message ...

Ophelia wrote:
>
> Using cell phones while driving is illegal here. If you are spotted using
> one you will be in real trouble.

Makes me wonder how we all survived before cell phones started
up. Most everyone these days are so addicted to them and many
that I see are talking, not texting or using the internet. Seems
now, so many people can't even leave the house for a few minutes
without talking to someone. I really don't get it.

When I go out anywhere, I'd carry the cell phone in the car just
for breakdown emergencies but only that. I keep it with me but
have it turned off.

Also very rude these days is when you are talking to someone in
person then their cell phone rings. Most times, they just have to
answer right away and put you (in person) on "hold." WTH? I've
never done that to someone. When I am talking to someone and a
call comes in, I ignore the phone. The caller can leave a
voicemail and I'll call them back in a bit.

These days, everyone acts like they are doctors on call and have
to answer immediately.

==

Yes, that is the same here Most people (and especially children and young
people) have their noses into their cell phones walking along the streets.
Without the law about phones in the car, I can imagine they would be doing
it there too

"Nancy Young" wrote in message ...

On 4/30/2018 6:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" wrote

> It's been my observation that people should worry more about
> people driving under the influence of cell phones. My trip to
> DC and back shows it's as bad as ever.

> Using cell phones while driving is illegal here. If you are spotted
> using one you will be in real trouble.

It's illegal here, too. Unless there happens to be a cop right
there, you're not going to get into trouble with the law.

nancy

==

They are very hot on it here! Even if you are just sitting in the car
waiting for traffic lights to change, you will get pulled up!

On 2018-04-30 12:21 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/30/2018 11:42 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> So when you have passengers, you don't talk to them??
>>
>> When you have passengers with you your attention is not being sucked
>> away from driving. The passenger is an extra set of eyes.
>>
>>
>>
> In addition, when traffic suddenly changes, you can readily stop the
> conversation as will the passenger. Phones don't work the same.
>
> There are times a simple "what's for dinner" call is not a big deal but
> trying to do a tech service call can take a lot of brain power.
>
> As for seeing a bad crash, I heard one on the road in back of me.Â* Young
> lady had phone in hand when killed in a head-on.


We were working very close to where a car rear ended a truck. It was
shortly after 9/11 and the truck traffic at the border was often backed
2-3 miles. The first person on the scene could here there was someone
on the other end of the dead driver's phone. He was wondering what
happened. The late driver had apparently been in the middle of a cell
phone conversation and had run full speed into the back of the stopped
truck. Apparently he had also not noticed the several flashing light
signs warning about the truck traffic.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> Using cell phones while driving is illegal here. If you are spotted
>> using
>> one you will be in real trouble.
>
> Makes me wonder how we all survived before cell phones started
> up. Most everyone these days are so addicted to them and many
> that I see are talking, not texting or using the internet. Seems
> now, so many people can't even leave the house for a few minutes
> without talking to someone. I really don't get it.
>
> When I go out anywhere, I'd carry the cell phone in the car just
> for breakdown emergencies but only that. I keep it with me but
> have it turned off.
>
> Also very rude these days is when you are talking to someone in
> person then their cell phone rings. Most times, they just have to
> answer right away and put you (in person) on "hold." WTH? I've
> never done that to someone. When I am talking to someone and a
> call comes in, I ignore the phone. The caller can leave a
> voicemail and I'll call them back in a bit.
>
> These days, everyone acts like they are doctors on call and have
> to answer immediately.
>
> ==
>
> Yes, that is the same here Most people (and especially children and
> young people) have their noses into their cell phones walking along the
> streets. Without the law about phones in the car, I can imagine they would
> be doing it there too

We have that law about cell phones and driving here in CA too but it doesn't
stop them. I can't tell you how many times you see it just going across
town.

Cheri

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 07:24:30 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-04-30 6:55 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-04-30 6:04 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>>> Do you know anyone who smokes MJ who didn't start with tobacco?
>>>
>>> No one that I know now smokes pot.* Back in the day I knew a lot of
>>> pot smokers who wouldn't touch tobacco.
>>
>> Years ago, just about everyone I knew smoked pot. One of the exceptions
>> is my wife. In my circle of friends it got to the point where only one
>> person still did. He died a* couple years ago.* I know some younger
>> people who do. It's odd, but for a substance that many claim is
>> addictive and a gateway, I just know too many people who smoked it
>> regularly for years and then just tired of it and quit.
>>
>>
>>
>My father let me have a puff of his pipe when I was about 5 yrs old.
>That cured me and therefore I have never smoked since! I have always
>hated the smells associated with the filthy habit.
>ISTM that much of the evidence in favour of the medical use of MJ is
>anecdotal. I was sceptical when the early campaigners for legalising it
>for medical conditions were nearly all potheads.

You're just jealous that they get stoned and you don't.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:51:15 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>
>> It's been illegal here for several years now. You can use it with
>> blue tooth, I do occasionally.
>
>That's not even good. When driving, ALL of your attention should
>be on driving. NO distractions whatsoever. Even using remote blue
>tooth takes away your attention. Listening to someone or talking
>is NOT paying attention to your driving and to other drivers.
>
>Every see a very bad car crash? Turn your phone off while
>driving.

What about listening to the radio then?

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:42:43 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-04-30 10:20 AM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:51:15 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>
>>> Every see a very bad car crash? Turn your phone off while
>>> driving.
>>
>> So when you have passengers, you don't talk to them??
>
>When you have passengers with you your attention is not being sucked
>away from driving. The passenger is an extra set of eyes.

Yeah, right.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 06:07:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 8:10:08 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:35:33 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Nancy Young" wrote in message news >> >
>> >On 4/29/2018 1:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >
>> >> There is a lot of press these days on the fear that legalization will
>> >> lead to lots of drug impaired driving. I don't know why. Just as many
>> >> young people are smoking dope as there were when I was young.
>> >
>> >It's been my observation that people should worry more about
>> >people driving under the influence of cell phones. My trip to
>> >DC and back shows it's as bad as ever.
>> >
>> >As far as pot being a gateway drug, I can say one thing, the
>> >gateway to a crappy life can start with being tossed in jail
>> >for a joint and winding up with a record.
>> >
>> >nancy
>> >
>> >==
>> >
>> >Using cell phones while driving is illegal here. If you are spotted using
>> >one you will be in real trouble.
>>
>> Isn't it illegal everywhere?
>
>In the U.S., it's a matter of state law. Not all states have laws
>against using cellphones while driving. Here's a summary:
>
><http://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/cellular-phone-use-and-texting-while-driving-laws.aspx>

They'd better get their act together then.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 06:07:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 8:10:08 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:35:33 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >"Nancy Young" wrote in message news >>> >
>>> >On 4/29/2018 1:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> There is a lot of press these days on the fear that legalization will
>>> >> lead to lots of drug impaired driving. I don't know why. Just as
>>> >> many
>>> >> young people are smoking dope as there were when I was young.
>>> >
>>> >It's been my observation that people should worry more about
>>> >people driving under the influence of cell phones. My trip to
>>> >DC and back shows it's as bad as ever.
>>> >
>>> >As far as pot being a gateway drug, I can say one thing, the
>>> >gateway to a crappy life can start with being tossed in jail
>>> >for a joint and winding up with a record.
>>> >
>>> >nancy
>>> >
>>> >==
>>> >
>>> >Using cell phones while driving is illegal here. If you are spotted
>>> >using
>>> >one you will be in real trouble.
>>>
>>> Isn't it illegal everywhere?
>>
>>In the U.S., it's a matter of state law. Not all states have laws
>>against using cellphones while driving. Here's a summary:
>>
>><http://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/cellular-phone-use-and-texting-while-driving-laws.aspx>
>
> They'd better get their act together then.


It will probably take the death of one of the lawmakers own before it's
changed in many places. Then the outrage will be out of this world. Yes, I
am cynical about some things.

Cheri

Cheri

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 08:50:58 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-04-30 8:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-04-30 9:00 AM, wrote:
>>
>>>> It's illegal here, too.* Unless there happens to be a cop right
>>>> there, you're not going to get into trouble with the law.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>> It's been illegal here for maybe five years or more and I rarely see
>>> anyone holding a phone anymore, suffice to say, if I do, I notice them
>>> now!
>>
>> It has been illegal here for about the same amount of time, but it is
>> still so common that they recently boosted the penalties. People still
>> do it.* Just the other day when I was out on the bike and saw an
>> oncoming car hit the shoulder, then over the centre line.... he was
>> looking at his device.
>>
>>
>>
>OTOH I was following a car through the mountains on HW1 and it kept
>drifting onto the shoulder and then back again. I thought that the
>driver was one of those people (especially women*) who believe in making
>eye contact when conversing. When I had the opportunity to pass, I was
>right! She was drifting over when she turned to face her passenger as
>she talked and had to correct when she wasn't.
>*Lucretia - this is not a misogynistic but based on countless
>observations. I have seen very few men do this.

There are both male and females idiots, if I am talking either to cell
phone or passenger, I still keeping looking ahead.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:42:43 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-04-30 10:20 AM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:51:15 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>
>>> Every see a very bad car crash? Turn your phone off while
>>> driving.
>>
>> So when you have passengers, you don't talk to them??
>
>When you have passengers with you your attention is not being sucked
>away from driving. The passenger is an extra set of eyes.
>
>
Bullshit!

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:21:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/30/2018 11:42 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-04-30 10:20 AM, wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:51:15 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>> Every see a very bad car crash? Turn your phone off while
>>>> driving.
>>>
>>> So when you have passengers, you don't talk to them??
>>
>> When you have passengers with you your attention is not being sucked
>> away from driving. The passenger is an extra set of eyes.
>>
>>
>>
>In addition, when traffic suddenly changes, you can readily stop the
>conversation as will the passenger. Phones don't work the same.
>
>There are times a simple "what's for dinner" call is not a big deal but
>trying to do a tech service call can take a lot of brain power.
>
>As for seeing a bad crash, I heard one on the road in back of me. Young
>lady had phone in hand when killed in a head-on.

I don't have mine in hand and yes I do stop talking if there is the
need, the other person knows I am driving just as a passenger would.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 16:12:01 -0300, wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:42:43 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2018-04-30 10:20 AM, wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:51:15 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>> Every see a very bad car crash? Turn your phone off while
>>>> driving.
>>>
>>> So when you have passengers, you don't talk to them??
>>
>>When you have passengers with you your attention is not being sucked
>>away from driving. The passenger is an extra set of eyes.
>>
>>
>Bullshit!

Indeed. They're only an extra set of eyes if they don't trust my
driving.

On 2018-04-30 1:11 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 08:50:58 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-04-30 8:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2018-04-30 9:00 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It's illegal here, too.Â* Unless there happens to be a cop right
>>>>> there, you're not going to get into trouble with the law.
>>>>>
>>>>> nancy
>>>>
>>>> It's been illegal here for maybe five years or more and I rarely see
>>>> anyone holding a phone anymore, suffice to say, if I do, I notice them
>>>> now!
>>>
>>> It has been illegal here for about the same amount of time, but it is
>>> still so common that they recently boosted the penalties. People still
>>> do it.Â* Just the other day when I was out on the bike and saw an
>>> oncoming car hit the shoulder, then over the centre line.... he was
>>> looking at his device.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> OTOH I was following a car through the mountains on HW1 and it kept
>> drifting onto the shoulder and then back again. I thought that the
>> driver was one of those people (especially women*) who believe in making
>> eye contact when conversing. When I had the opportunity to pass, I was
>> right! She was drifting over when she turned to face her passenger as
>> she talked and had to correct when she wasn't.
>> *Lucretia - this is not a misogynistic but based on countless
>> observations. I have seen very few men do this.
>
> There are both male and females idiots, if I am talking either to cell
> phone or passenger, I still keeping looking ahead.
>
I think that that subset of people who turn their heads are devotees of
those mountebanks of the personal growth movement with which PBS fills
the airwaves during their interminable fund raising weeks.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 13:45:00 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-04-30 1:11 PM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 08:50:58 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-04-30 8:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2018-04-30 9:00 AM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> It's illegal here, too.* Unless there happens to be a cop right
>>>>>> there, you're not going to get into trouble with the law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nancy
>>>>>
>>>>> It's been illegal here for maybe five years or more and I rarely see
>>>>> anyone holding a phone anymore, suffice to say, if I do, I notice them
>>>>> now!
>>>>
>>>> It has been illegal here for about the same amount of time, but it is
>>>> still so common that they recently boosted the penalties. People still
>>>> do it.* Just the other day when I was out on the bike and saw an
>>>> oncoming car hit the shoulder, then over the centre line.... he was
>>>> looking at his device.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> OTOH I was following a car through the mountains on HW1 and it kept
>>> drifting onto the shoulder and then back again. I thought that the
>>> driver was one of those people (especially women*) who believe in making
>>> eye contact when conversing. When I had the opportunity to pass, I was
>>> right! She was drifting over when she turned to face her passenger as
>>> she talked and had to correct when she wasn't.
>>> *Lucretia - this is not a misogynistic but based on countless
>>> observations. I have seen very few men do this.
>>
>> There are both male and females idiots, if I am talking either to cell
>> phone or passenger, I still keeping looking ahead.
>>
>I think that that subset of people who turn their heads are devotees of
>those mountebanks of the personal growth movement with which PBS fills
>the airwaves during their interminable fund raising weeks.

Lol although I support PBS I don't see that anymore having cut the
cable and ironically can enjoy Frontline etc.

On 4/29/2018 1:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> If this was happening 30-40 years ago I would have been lined up at the
> doors on opening day of the pot shops,Â* but I have no interest in it
> now. The last thing I need right now is to take up a form of smoking, or
> getting a case of the munchies.

You never heard of pot brownies or muffins? Seems like that would take
care of the munchies problem at the same time.

Jill

On 4/29/2018 7:57 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 4/29/2018 1:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> There is a lot of press these days on the fear that legalization will
>> lead to lots of drug impaired driving.Â* I don't know why. Just as many
>> young people are smoking dope as there were when I was young.
>
> It's been my observation that people should worry more about
> people driving under the influence of cell phones.Â* My trip to
> DC and back shows it's as bad as ever.
>
I've been seeing ads for Ford vehicles with "parental controls". It's a
separate clicker gadget. The ads feature teens complaining to their
parents that their cell phones go straight to voicemail when they're in
the car. The music can't be cranked up [to the point you can't hear
emergency vehicles]. The car won't go over x MPH. Sounds like a good
use for technology. It may be geared towards parents but there have
been plenty of times when I wished I could just point and click at a car
to turn the *blasting* music down or shut off their cell phones.

> As far as pot being a gateway drug, I can say one thing, the
> gateway to a crappy life can start with being tossed in jail
> for a joint and winding up with a record.
>
I see no point in throwing the Average Joe in prison for, say, 5 years,
for nothing more than the possession of a couple of joints.

Jill

On 4/30/2018 6:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young"Â* wrote in message news >
> On 4/29/2018 1:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> There is a lot of press these days on the fear that legalization will
>> lead to lots of drug impaired driving.Â* I don't know why. Just as many
>> young people are smoking dope as there were when I was young.
>
> It's been my observation that people should worry more about
> people driving under the influence of cell phones.Â* My trip to
> DC and back shows it's as bad as ever.
>
> As far as pot being a gateway drug, I can say one thing, the
> gateway to a crappy life can start with being tossed in jail
> for a joint and winding up with a record.
>
> nancy
>
> ==
>
> Using cell phones while driving is illegal here.Â* If you are spotted
> using one you will be in real trouble.

It's illegal here, too, Oph. Heavy fines. The problem is there are
more drivers with cell phones than there are cops to enforce it.

I doubt there is an immediate solution. Pandora's Box has been open for
a long time. Most people aren't willing to give up their precious cell
phones. (I certainly don't understand it.)

I've been seeing ads for Ford Motor Company cars that have a "parental
control" feature. An extra clicker for when their teens are out in the
car. One of the features sets it so cell phones inside the car go
straight to voicemail. Sounds like an excellent feature to me, maybe it
should become standard equipment and across all brands. Sorry folks,
your phones aren't going to work while you're driving.

Jill

On 4/30/2018 2:45 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:51:15 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's been illegal here for several years now. You can use it with
>>> blue tooth, I do occasionally.
>>
>> That's not even good. When driving, ALL of your attention should
>> be on driving. NO distractions whatsoever. Even using remote blue
>> tooth takes away your attention. Listening to someone or talking
>> is NOT paying attention to your driving and to other drivers.
>>
>> Every see a very bad car crash? Turn your phone off while
>> driving.
>
> What about listening to the radio then?
>

Different scenario. It is easy to ignore the radio. In bad weather I
often miss the news or traffic reports when driving needs my attention

On 4/30/2018 9:27 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 18:17:56 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:

>> The takeaway from this is not that people are paying more money. It is that over 20 million more people are now able to get health insurance coverage. That ain't nothing to sneeze at.
>>
>> The insurance companies cannot legally deny you coverage or charge you more for preexisting conditions. Of course, that means you're going to have to subsidize their treatment. This is bad news for most people but it means that sick people will have a better chance of surviving an awful disease or condition. A society that doesn't throw people under the bus is a more valuable society. That's what I believe anyway...
>
> Sounds very good and humane, yet everybody's complaining.
>

As described, it sounds wonderful. Some people are paying much more for
poor coverage. some cannot go to the doctor they had for years, etc.
If you cannot afford to buy insurance you get a $700 penalty. Far from
perfect.

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 22:40:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/30/2018 9:27 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 18:17:56 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>
>>> The takeaway from this is not that people are paying more money. It is that over 20 million more people are now able to get health insurance coverage. That ain't nothing to sneeze at.
>>>
>>> The insurance companies cannot legally deny you coverage or charge you more for preexisting conditions. Of course, that means you're going to have to subsidize their treatment. This is bad news for most people but it means that sick people will have a better chance of surviving an awful disease or condition. A society that doesn't throw people under the bus is a more valuable society. That's what I believe anyway...
>>
>> Sounds very good and humane, yet everybody's complaining.
>>
>
>As described, it sounds wonderful. Some people are paying much more for
>poor coverage. some cannot go to the doctor they had for years, etc.
>If you cannot afford to buy insurance you get a $700 penalty. Far from
>perfect.

Why is it so hard? Other western countries all have something
reasonable in place. Although they also all have their share of
problems with waiting lists etc., but at least they've got the basic
principle right.

In article >, graham >
wrote:

> My father let me have a puff of his pipe when I was about 5 yrs old.
> That cured me and therefore I have never smoked since! I have always
> hated the smells associated with the filthy habit.
> ISTM that much of the evidence in favour of the medical use of MJ is
> anecdotal. I was sceptical when the early campaigners for legalising it
> for medical conditions were nearly all potheads.

In what universe is sucking smoke of any type into your lungs a good
thing? Please someone, defend it.

leo

In article >, Cheri >
wrote:

> It will probably take the death of one of the lawmakers own before it's
> changed in many places. Then the outrage will be out of this world. Yes, I
> am cynical about some things.

Lightweight! I'm cynical of everything and am seldom disappointed.

[ObFood] Day old, reheated chicken 'n dumplings.

leo

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 21:56:19 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >, graham >
>wrote:
>
>> My father let me have a puff of his pipe when I was about 5 yrs old.
>> That cured me and therefore I have never smoked since! I have always
>> hated the smells associated with the filthy habit.
>> ISTM that much of the evidence in favour of the medical use of MJ is
>> anecdotal. I was sceptical when the early campaigners for legalising it
>> for medical conditions were nearly all potheads.
>
>In what universe is sucking smoke of any type into your lungs a good
>thing? Please someone, defend it.

Eating fast food is bad for you too.