Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
ingredient list is reasonable:

<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>

Bruce wrote:
>
> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
> ingredient list is reasonable:
> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>

New product...I suspect they will keep the ingredient list secret
as much as possible. Sounds interesting though, I'll try it if it
ever shows up here. Most likely my local healthfood store
someday. It's a very cool place and only 1/4 mile from where I
live.

http://heritagenaturalmarket.com/

--------------------------------------
I noticed the word flexatarian...lol.

"Food blogs were aflutter this year over "flexitarian," the
latest word in gastronomic circles. The Macmillan English
Dictionary Web site (it hasn't made it into the Oxford English
Dictionary) defines a flexitarian as "a person who consumes
mainly vegetarian food, but occasionally eats meat or fish."

Well, that's me to a degree. I'm more half and half meals here
lately. No special reason, just what sounds good at the time.

I also read this and laughed at the term, "freegan." Is that the
new correct term for a bum? LOL!

"In case flexitarianism doesn't suit you, links on Macmillan's
"flexitarian" Web page offer any number of other possibilities:
vegan, fruitarian, pescetarian, rawist and even freegan (someone
who eats food that has been thrown away)."

Both quotes came from this site:

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/26/w...xitarians.html

On Wed, 16 May 2018 09:18:34 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
>> ingredient list is reasonable:
>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>
>
>New product...I suspect they will keep the ingredient list secret
>as much as possible. Sounds interesting though, I'll try it if it
>ever shows up here. Most likely my local healthfood store
>someday. It's a very cool place and only 1/4 mile from where I
>live.
>
> http://heritagenaturalmarket.com/
>
>--------------------------------------
>I noticed the word flexatarian...lol.
>
>"Food blogs were aflutter this year over "flexitarian," the
>latest word in gastronomic circles. The Macmillan English
>Dictionary Web site (it hasn't made it into the Oxford English
>Dictionary) defines a flexitarian as "a person who consumes
>mainly vegetarian food, but occasionally eats meat or fish."
>
>Well, that's me to a degree. I'm more half and half meals here
>lately. No special reason, just what sounds good at the time.
>
>I also read this and laughed at the term, "freegan." Is that the
>new correct term for a bum? LOL!
>
>"In case flexitarianism doesn't suit you, links on Macmillan's
>"flexitarian" Web page offer any number of other possibilities:
>vegan, fruitarian, pescetarian, rawist and even freegan (someone
>who eats food that has been thrown away)."
>
>Both quotes came from this site:
>
>https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/26/w...xitarians.html

Occasionally my wife eats vegetarian burgers. She mostly brings them
to school for lunch while frozen and heats them in the microwave. She
says it eats like a burger, looks like a burger, but the smell is way
off. I tasted one but didn't really think it was like a beef burger.
My wife isn't vegetarian but she doesn't like to use the school fridge
as people are always rummaging through other's food. The veggie
burger needs no refrigeration when brought to school frozen. There's
a few in the freezer now but the box is gone and I can't remember the
brand or list the ingredients... each is individually sealed in
plastic. I remember that the major ingredient is beans.

On 5/16/2018 1:17 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 16 May 2018 09:18:34 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
>>> ingredient list is reasonable:
>>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>
>>
>> New product...I suspect they will keep the ingredient list secret
>> as much as possible. Sounds interesting though, I'll try it if it
>> ever shows up here. Most likely my local healthfood store
>> someday. It's a very cool place and only 1/4 mile from where I
>> live.
>
> If I had $1 for every time a vegetarian said, "looks and tastes JUST
> like meat!" when it doesn't even come close...
>
> Why are vegetarians trying to replicate meat in the first place?
> That's your body and 2.6 million years of evolution telling you to
> eat meat. And they're apparently very miserable without it.
>
> -sw
>
Sorry but plant-based *steak* is fiction. You can't make a plant taste
like steak... at least not without a ton of chemicals. And we all know
how Bruce feels about ingredients lists!

I've tried Boca Burgers. They don't taste bad but they are not anything
like a good beef (or even a well seasoned turkey) burger. Doesn't this
sound tasty? Boca Burgers:

NGREDIENTS: WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, CONTAINS LESS
THAN 2% OF METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, DRIED ONIONS, YEAST
EXTRACT, SESAME OIL, HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL
FLAVOR (NON-MEAT), DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM INOSINATE.

Jill

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
> ingredient list is reasonable:
>
> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>

Didn't we already have this discussion? Ok, that was vegetarian bacon
last August, but I can't imagine the discussion will be any different.

Cindy Hamilton

On 5/16/2018 4:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
>> ingredient list is reasonable:
>>
>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>
>
> Didn't we already have this discussion? Ok, that was vegetarian bacon
> last August, but I can't imagine the discussion will be any different.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
It won't be any different. He really needs to stop pushing his agenda.
It's not going to change the way anyone eats.

Just so happens my dinner tonight will be kinda-sorta vegetarian.
That's if you define the label as someone who eats eggs & cheese. (They
have so many friggin labels for who will eat what it's hard to keep up.)
I'm making spinach quiche. It contains spinach, eggs, milk and
cheese. But oh, the spinach was probably cruelly harvested...

Jill

On 5/16/2018 5:47 PM, l not -l wrote:
> On 16-May-2018, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> On 5/16/2018 4:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
>>>> ingredient list is reasonable:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>
>>>
>>> Didn't we already have this discussion? Ok, that was vegetarian bacon
>>> last August, but I can't imagine the discussion will be any different.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> It won't be any different. He really needs to stop pushing his agenda.
>> It's not going to change the way anyone eats.
>>
>> Just so happens my dinner tonight will be kinda-sorta vegetarian.
>> That's if you define the label as someone who eats eggs & cheese. (They
>> have so many friggin labels for who will eat what it's hard to keep up.)
>> I'm making spinach quiche. It contains spinach, eggs, milk and
>> cheese. But oh, the spinach was probably cruelly harvested...
>>
>> Jill
>
> Even if the spinach were humanely (spinachely??) harvested, it's still a
> problem meal. You'll beat the eggs and milk. 8-)
>
Yes, I torture the milk and eggs along with the crumbled feta cheese.
They all deserve to be beaten. LOL I use a hand-held wire whisk in a
stainless steel bowl. That makes me especially cruel...whisking. 8-)

Jill

On Wed, 16 May 2018 12:17:32 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Wed, 16 May 2018 09:18:34 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
>>> ingredient list is reasonable:
>>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>
>>
>> New product...I suspect they will keep the ingredient list secret
>> as much as possible. Sounds interesting though, I'll try it if it
>> ever shows up here. Most likely my local healthfood store
>> someday. It's a very cool place and only 1/4 mile from where I
>> live.
>
>If I had $1 for every time a vegetarian said, "looks and tastes JUST
>like meat!" when it doesn't even come close...
>
>Why are vegetarians trying to replicate meat in the first place?
>That's your body and 2.6 million years of evolution telling you to
>eat meat. And they're apparently very miserable without it.

Always the same question. I love meat, but I also love animals. So
plant based meat that tastes like real meat -if it really does and
with decent ingredients- would be great for me.

This is not really hard to understand, is it?

On Wed, 16 May 2018 15:38:24 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 5/16/2018 1:17 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 May 2018 09:18:34 -0400, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
>>>> ingredient list is reasonable:
>>>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>
>>>
>>> New product...I suspect they will keep the ingredient list secret
>>> as much as possible. Sounds interesting though, I'll try it if it
>>> ever shows up here. Most likely my local healthfood store
>>> someday. It's a very cool place and only 1/4 mile from where I
>>> live.
>>
>> If I had $1 for every time a vegetarian said, "looks and tastes JUST
>> like meat!" when it doesn't even come close...
>>
>> Why are vegetarians trying to replicate meat in the first place?
>> That's your body and 2.6 million years of evolution telling you to
>> eat meat. And they're apparently very miserable without it.
>>
>> -sw
>>
>Sorry but plant-based *steak* is fiction. You can't make a plant taste
>like steak... at least not without a ton of chemicals. And we all know
>how Bruce feels about ingredients lists!

Maybe it's possible, maybe not. There's gluten based faux chicken,
duck and pork, by an Asian company. It tastes meaty, savoury and
crunchy. Exactly like meat? No, but I like it.

>I've tried Boca Burgers. They don't taste bad but they are not anything
>like a good beef (or even a well seasoned turkey) burger. Doesn't this
>sound tasty? Boca Burgers:
>
>NGREDIENTS: WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, CONTAINS LESS
>THAN 2% OF METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, DRIED ONIONS, YEAST
>EXTRACT, SESAME OIL, HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL
>FLAVOR (NON-MEAT), DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM INOSINATE.

I agree that that's a terrible list.

On Wed, 16 May 2018 13:02:45 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
>> ingredient list is reasonable:
>>
>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>
>
>Didn't we already have this discussion? Ok, that was vegetarian bacon
>last August, but I can't imagine the discussion will be any different.

My question is if this is a breakthrough or just another bad meat
imitation.

On Wed, 16 May 2018 16:42:49 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 5/16/2018 4:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
>>> ingredient list is reasonable:
>>>
>>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>
>>
>> Didn't we already have this discussion? Ok, that was vegetarian bacon
>> last August, but I can't imagine the discussion will be any different.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>It won't be any different. He really needs to stop pushing his agenda.
>It's not going to change the way anyone eats.
>
>Just so happens my dinner tonight will be kinda-sorta vegetarian.
>That's if you define the label as someone who eats eggs & cheese. (They
>have so many friggin labels for who will eat what it's hard to keep up.)
> I'm making spinach quiche. It contains spinach, eggs, milk and
>cheese. But oh, the spinach was probably cruelly harvested...

When you post about a meat dish, are you pushing your agenda? You're
so narrow-minded...

On Wed, 16 May 2018 18:03:56 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 5/16/2018 5:47 PM, l not -l wrote:
>>
>> Even if the spinach were humanely (spinachely??) harvested, it's still a
>> problem meal. You'll beat the eggs and milk. 8-)
>>
>Yes, I torture the milk and eggs along with the crumbled feta cheese.
>They all deserve to be beaten. LOL I use a hand-held wire whisk in a
>stainless steel bowl. That makes me especially cruel...whisking. 8-)

Beavis and McButthead

On Wed, 16 May 2018 16:42:49 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>Just so happens my dinner tonight will be kinda-sorta vegetarian.
>That's if you define the label as someone who eats eggs & cheese.

If you claim to be Vegan for morality reasons,
it makes NO sense to eliminate milk products and eggs,
as those are similar to fruits and vegetables,
where you eat the 'seeds' of the plant, which are renewable.

On Thu, 17 May 2018 08:23:42 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:


>Always the same question. I love meat, but I also love animals. So
>plant based meat that tastes like real meat -if it really does and
>with decent ingredients- would be great for me.
>
>This is not really hard to understand, is it?


I can pretty much GUARANTEE it neither looks NOR TASTES like real meat
of ANY kind I've ever tasted.

On Wed, 16 May 2018 17:16:10 -0700, wrote:

>On Wed, 16 May 2018 16:42:49 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>Just so happens my dinner tonight will be kinda-sorta vegetarian.
>>That's if you define the label as someone who eats eggs & cheese.
>
>If you claim to be Vegan for morality reasons,
>it makes NO sense to eliminate milk products and eggs,
>as those are similar to fruits and vegetables,
>where you eat the 'seeds' of the plant, which are renewable.

That's not true. Hens and cows are kept alive for egg and milk
production, but where do you think the roosters and bulls go? Killing
the male animals is an integral part of the dairy industry. Not to
mention what happens with hens and cows when they become older and
less productive.

On Wed, 16 May 2018 17:18:09 -0700, wrote:

>On Thu, 17 May 2018 08:23:42 +1000, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>
>>Always the same question. I love meat, but I also love animals. So
>>plant based meat that tastes like real meat -if it really does and
>>with decent ingredients- would be great for me.
>>
>>This is not really hard to understand, is it?
>
>
>I can pretty much GUARANTEE it neither looks NOR TASTES like real meat
>of ANY kind I've ever tasted.

All that means is that you've never tasted imitation meat that tasted
like real meat yet. Yet.

On Wed, 16 May 2018 09:18:34 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>New product...I suspect they will keep the ingredient list secret
>as much as possible. Sounds interesting though, I'll try it if it
>ever shows up here. Most likely my local healthfood store
>someday. It's a very cool place and only 1/4 mile from where I
>live.
>
> http://heritagenaturalmarket.com/
>
>--------------------------------------
>I noticed the word flexatarian...lol.
>
>"Food blogs were aflutter this year over "flexitarian," the
>latest word in gastronomic circles. The Macmillan English
>Dictionary Web site (it hasn't made it into the Oxford English
>Dictionary) defines a flexitarian as "a person who consumes
>mainly vegetarian food, but occasionally eats meat or fish."
>
>Well, that's me to a degree. I'm more half and half meals here
>lately. No special reason, just what sounds good at the time.
>
>I also read this and laughed at the term, "freegan." Is that the
>new correct term for a bum? LOL!
>
>"In case flexitarianism doesn't suit you, links on Macmillan's
>"flexitarian" Web page offer any number of other possibilities:
>vegan, fruitarian, pescetarian, rawist and even freegan (someone
>who eats food that has been thrown away)."
>
>Both quotes came from this site:
>
>https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/26/w...xitarians.html

That's it. I'm seriously considering becoming a vegan freegan. It's
good for animals, good for the environment and cheap!

On Wed, 16 May 2018 22:48:01 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Wed, 16 May 2018 16:42:49 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 5/16/2018 4:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
>>>> ingredient list is reasonable:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>
>>>
>>> Didn't we already have this discussion? Ok, that was vegetarian bacon
>>> last August, but I can't imagine the discussion will be any different.
>>>
>> It won't be any different. He really needs to stop pushing his agenda.
>> It's not going to change the way anyone eats.
>
>But it does help reinforce most people's opinions that many
>vegetarians are hollier-than-th

I posted a link to an article about a new attempt at a meat replacer?
That's pushing an agenda? That's "hollier-than-thou"? Poor little
snowflakes

On Wed, 16 May 2018 22:48:01 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Wed, 16 May 2018 16:42:49 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 5/16/2018 4:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
>>>> ingredient list is reasonable:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>
>>>
>>> Didn't we already have this discussion? Ok, that was vegetarian bacon
>>> last August, but I can't imagine the discussion will be any different.
>>>
>> It won't be any different. He really needs to stop pushing his agenda.
>> It's not going to change the way anyone eats.
>
>But it does help reinforce most people's opinions that many
>vegetarians are hollier-than-th

I posted a link to an article about a new attempt at a meat
replacement.
That's pushing an agenda? That's "hollier-than-thou"? Poor little
snowflakes

On Thu, 17 May 2018 00:18:42 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Thu, 17 May 2018 13:56:23 +1000, Freegan Vegan wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 May 2018 22:48:01 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 16 May 2018 16:42:49 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/16/2018 4:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
>>>>>> ingredient list is reasonable:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't we already have this discussion? Ok, that was vegetarian bacon
>>>>> last August, but I can't imagine the discussion will be any different.
>>>>>
>>>> It won't be any different. He really needs to stop pushing his agenda.
>>>> It's not going to change the way anyone eats.
>>>
>>>But it does help reinforce most people's opinions that many
>>>vegetarians are hollier-than-th
>>
>> I posted a link to an article about a new attempt at a meat
>> replacement.
>> That's pushing an agenda? That's "hollier-than-thou"? Poor little
>> snowflakes
>
>Yeah, you never push an agenda. Poor, oppressed "Now you can eat
>meat without animal cruelty" B?uce.

Well... even a meat eater will have to admit that it sucks to be
slaughtered to be eaten. Take the animal out of the meat eating and
everybody wins. If the replacement is good, that is.

On Thu, 17 May 2018 00:18:42 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Thu, 17 May 2018 13:56:23 +1000, Freegan Vegan wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 May 2018 22:48:01 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 16 May 2018 16:42:49 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/16/2018 4:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
>>>>>> ingredient list is reasonable:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't we already have this discussion? Ok, that was vegetarian bacon
>>>>> last August, but I can't imagine the discussion will be any different.
>>>>>
>>>> It won't be any different. He really needs to stop pushing his agenda.
>>>> It's not going to change the way anyone eats.
>>>
>>>But it does help reinforce most people's opinions that many
>>>vegetarians are hollier-than-th
>>
>> I posted a link to an article about a new attempt at a meat
>> replacement.
>> That's pushing an agenda? That's "hollier-than-thou"? Poor little
>> snowflakes
>
>Yeah, you never push an agenda. Poor, oppressed "Now you can eat
>meat without animal cruelty" B?uce.

Well... even a meat eater will have to admit that it sucks to be
slaughtered to be eaten. Take the animal out of the meat eating and
everybody wins. If the replacement is good, that is.

On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 4:43:00 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 5/16/2018 4:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
> >> ingredient list is reasonable:
> >>
> >> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>
> >
> > Didn't we already have this discussion? Ok, that was vegetarian bacon
> > last August, but I can't imagine the discussion will be any different.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> It won't be any different. He really needs to stop pushing his agenda.
> It's not going to change the way anyone eats.
>
> Just so happens my dinner tonight will be kinda-sorta vegetarian.
> That's if you define the label as someone who eats eggs & cheese. (They
> have so many friggin labels for who will eat what it's hard to keep up.)
> I'm making spinach quiche. It contains spinach, eggs, milk and
> cheese. But oh, the spinach was probably cruelly harvested...
>
> Jill

Yesterday I had vegetarian lunch: lentil soup with cauliflower, and a little
cheese on the side

And pescatarian dinner: tossed salad dressed with lime vinaigrette and
shrimp cocktail

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 8:16:17 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Wed, 16 May 2018 16:42:49 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> >Just so happens my dinner tonight will be kinda-sorta vegetarian.
> >That's if you define the label as someone who eats eggs & cheese.
>
> If you claim to be Vegan for morality reasons,
> it makes NO sense to eliminate milk products and eggs,
> as those are similar to fruits and vegetables,
> where you eat the 'seeds' of the plant, which are renewable.

Vegetarian: doesn't eat anything that kills an animal
Vegan: doesn't eat anything that inconveniences an animal

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 17 May 2018 03:32:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 8:16:17 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 May 2018 16:42:49 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Just so happens my dinner tonight will be kinda-sorta vegetarian.
>> >That's if you define the label as someone who eats eggs & cheese.
>>
>> If you claim to be Vegan for morality reasons,
>> it makes NO sense to eliminate milk products and eggs,
>> as those are similar to fruits and vegetables,
>> where you eat the 'seeds' of the plant, which are renewable.
>
>Vegetarian: doesn't eat anything that kills an animal
>Vegan: doesn't eat anything that inconveniences an animal

Being killed because you're a male is more than just inconvenient.

On 5/17/2018 6:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 4:43:00 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> On 5/16/2018 4:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
>>>> ingredient list is reasonable:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>
>>>
>>> Didn't we already have this discussion? Ok, that was vegetarian bacon
>>> last August, but I can't imagine the discussion will be any different.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> It won't be any different. He really needs to stop pushing his agenda.
>> It's not going to change the way anyone eats.
>>
>> Just so happens my dinner tonight will be kinda-sorta vegetarian.
>> That's if you define the label as someone who eats eggs & cheese. (They
>> have so many friggin labels for who will eat what it's hard to keep up.)
>> I'm making spinach quiche. It contains spinach, eggs, milk and
>> cheese. But oh, the spinach was probably cruelly harvested...
>>
>> Jill
>
> Yesterday I had vegetarian lunch: lentil soup with cauliflower, and a little
> cheese on the side
>
Thanks for the reminder, I need to make lentil soup again soon.

> And pescatarian dinner: tossed salad dressed with lime vinaigrette and
> shrimp cocktail
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I'll probably be eating a pescatarian dinner tonight (5/17). Pan seared
or baked (haven't decided yet) sea scallops with some sort of vegetable
side (lots to choose from).

Jill

Bruce wrote:
>
> Being killed because you're a male is more than just inconvenient.

In the human sense...Imagine going out in the morning for food.
While walking into the grocery store, someone shoots you, takes
you home, guts you and butchers you and put in their freezer.

In the fishing sense, Imagine biting into a hamburger and a hook
gets lodged in your mouth or throat and you get yanked away for
food.

This is exactly what we do to animals. And the farmed ones are
raised for food too. No matter how they are raised, they will
still die once they get to optimum age or size.

I do still eat meat but it's getting less each year. Even though
I let other people do the killing and butchering, I still don't
like the whole concept. If someone can come up with a tasty meat
alternative, I'll go for it.

Remember the old, Twilight Zone (I think) episode? It was called
"To Serve Man." Aliens came to earth to serve man. Humans thought
was to help us. Turned out in the end that they were harvesting
humans and the book, "To Serve Man," was actually a cookbook.

We were horrified with that concept. Our animals live with that
every day.

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 8:56:13 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> If someone can come up with a tasty meat
> alternative, I'll go for it.
>
There is no such thing.
>
> Remember the old, Twilight Zone (I think) episode? It was called
> "To Serve Man." Aliens came to earth to serve man. Humans thought
> was to help us. Turned out in the end that they were harvesting
> humans and the book, "To Serve Man," was actually a cookbook.
>
> We were horrified with that concept. Our animals live with that
> every day.
>
Uhhhhhh, no they don't. They have no concept of being slaughtered
for food for humans. Sorry, they have no hidden calendars marking
off each day as it ends wondering if tomorrow will be their last.

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 9:56:13 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > Being killed because you're a male is more than just inconvenient.
>
> In the human sense...Imagine going out in the morning for food.
> While walking into the grocery store, someone shoots you, takes
> you home, guts you and butchers you and put in their freezer.
>
> In the fishing sense, Imagine biting into a hamburger and a hook
> gets lodged in your mouth or throat and you get yanked away for
> food.
>
> This is exactly what we do to animals. And the farmed ones are
> raised for food too. No matter how they are raised, they will
> still die once they get to optimum age or size.

We all die. I'd rather get a steel bolt through my skull than
be eaten by wolves.

Cindy Hamilton

On 5/16/2018 8:18 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2018 08:23:42 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>
>> Always the same question. I love meat, but I also love animals. So
>> plant based meat that tastes like real meat -if it really does and
>> with decent ingredients- would be great for me.
>>
>> This is not really hard to understand, is it?
>
> I can pretty much GUARANTEE it neither looks NOR TASTES like real meat
> of ANY kind I've ever tasted.
>
>
Oh, from the picture in the link it *looks* like a steak. According to
the article it's "barely distinguishable from real steak". "Barely
distinguishable" is enough to tell me it won't actually taste like a
steak. Boca Burgers don't taste like ground beef, either.

Jill

On 5/17/2018 10:02 AM, wrote:
> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 8:56:13 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>
>> If someone can come up with a tasty meat
>> alternative, I'll go for it.
>>
> There is no such thing.

None that I've found. I'm not opposed to trying such things but I've
mentioned many times before, Boca Burgers and other faux meats (or that
fake Krab stuff, which I have tried) simply don't taste right.

>> humans and the book, "To Serve Man," was actually a cookbook.

The Donner Party didn't have the benefit of a cookbook... or Rod
Serling. Heh.

>> We were horrified with that concept. Our animals live with that
>> every day.
>>
> Uhhhhhh, no they don't. They have no concept of being slaughtered
> for food for humans. Sorry, they have no hidden calendars marking
> off each day as it ends wondering if tomorrow will be their last.
>
Gary is ascribing human emotions to animals. How about in nature? I'm
sure there are often nervous and worried wildebeests, antelopes, etc.,
especially if there's a pride of lions in the neighborhood. LOL

Animals kill other animals for food all the time. (Many of them also
eat plants.) They don't normally kill their *own kind* for food.

Humans are animals. There's nothing strange about humans eating other
animals *and* plants. But hey, if a person doesn't want to eat meat no
one is forcing them.

Jill

On 5/17/2018 10:10 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 9:56:13 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> Being killed because you're a male is more than just inconvenient.
>>
>> In the human sense...Imagine going out in the morning for food.
>> While walking into the grocery store, someone shoots you, takes
>> you home, guts you and butchers you and put in their freezer.
>>
>> In the fishing sense, Imagine biting into a hamburger and a hook
>> gets lodged in your mouth or throat and you get yanked away for
>> food.
>>
>> This is exactly what we do to animals. And the farmed ones are
>> raised for food too. No matter how they are raised, they will
>> still die once they get to optimum age or size.
>
> We all die. I'd rather get a steel bolt through my skull than
> be eaten by wolves.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Or mauled by a bear. Just recently there was a little boy (10 years
old) playing in the surf off Hilton Head Island, SC. He was bitten by a
shark.

http://time.com/5280676/shark-attack...outh-carolina/

Does Gary think the shark had anything in mind other than "dinner"? Was
it worried gee, maybe I'm trying to eat the wrong thing? Nope.

Jill

" wrote:
>
> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 8:56:13 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >
> > If someone can come up with a tasty meat
> > alternative, I'll go for it.
> >
> There is no such thing.
> >
> > Remember the old, Twilight Zone (I think) episode? It was called
> > "To Serve Man." Aliens came to earth to serve man. Humans thought
> > was to help us. Turned out in the end that they were harvesting
> > humans and the book, "To Serve Man," was actually a cookbook.
> >
> > We were horrified with that concept. Our animals live with that
> > every day.
> >
> Uhhhhhh, no they don't. They have no concept of being slaughtered
> for food for humans. Sorry, they have no hidden calendars marking
> off each day as it ends wondering if tomorrow will be their last.

The animals might not know but it still happens. That doesn't
distract from the reality of things. Imagine one of your family
members being killed for food but not knowing beforehand...like
wild animals that go out to eat some morning and never comes
home. "Where's Dad?"

Imagine living on a free range, organic farm and one day they cut
off your head then feast on your body. We are the top predators
here on earth...just imagine if some higher being came here to
harvest humans for meat. It could happen, easily. "To Serve
Man."

Here's a good example:
http://www.hostpic.org/images/1805172016220086.jpg

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 9:56:13 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > > Being killed because you're a male is more than just inconvenient.
> >
> > In the human sense...Imagine going out in the morning for food.
> > While walking into the grocery store, someone shoots you, takes
> > you home, guts you and butchers you and put in their freezer.
> >
> > In the fishing sense, Imagine biting into a hamburger and a hook
> > gets lodged in your mouth or throat and you get yanked away for
> > food.
> >
> > This is exactly what we do to animals. And the farmed ones are
> > raised for food too. No matter how they are raised, they will
> > still die once they get to optimum age or size.
>
> We all die. I'd rather get a steel bolt through my skull than
> be eaten by wolves.

But wouldn't you rather avoid all of that? :-\

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Oh, from the picture in the link it *looks* like a steak. According to
> the article it's "barely distinguishable from real steak". "Barely
> distinguishable" is enough to tell me it won't actually taste like a
> steak. Boca Burgers don't taste like ground beef, either.

Maybe at least be open minded enough to give it a try once it
becomes available. You are condemming it untasted. Old ppl@

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Gary is ascribing human emotions to animals.

You think animals don't have emotions and survival instincts? And
feeling loss of a family member? How superior you think that
humans are above all that.
How would you feel, Jill, if I came over to your place, picked up
your cat, cut it's throat then offered to cook dinner for you,
cat stew?

> How about in nature? I'm
> sure there are often nervous and worried wildebeests, antelopes, etc.,
> especially if there's a pride of lions in the neighborhood. LOL
>
> Animals kill other animals for food all the time. (Many of them also
> eat plants.) They don't normally kill their *own kind* for food.

If you contend that we are the superior species, we have
alternatives and don't really need to kill other animals.
Typical, " we humans are all that" theory. We have the knowledge
for alt food but we always diss the animals. Who cares about
them? They don't know. We are meant to eat them.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Or mauled by a bear. Just recently there was a little boy (10 years
> old) playing in the surf off Hilton Head Island, SC. He was bitten by a
> shark.
>
> http://time.com/5280676/shark-attack...outh-carolina/
>
> Does Gary think the shark had anything in mind other than "dinner"? Was
> it worried gee, maybe I'm trying to eat the wrong thing? Nope.

You should go swimming in the ocean soon, Jill, and see how it
feels to be prey. People here claim animals don't have feelings.
See how *you* would feel after a taste bite from a shark then
desperately trying to swim back to shore before it circles around
to finish you off.

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> Now you can eat meat without animal cruelty. I'd try it if the
> ingredient list is reasonable:
>
> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html>

Veggie burgers cost more than real burgers.

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
news:1b96de9b-cc04-4c73-
> We all die. I'd rather get a steel bolt through my skull than
> be eaten by wolves.
>
> Cindy Hamilton


Ditto that!

Cheri

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Oh, from the picture in the link it *looks* like a steak. According to
>> the article it's "barely distinguishable from real steak". "Barely
>> distinguishable" is enough to tell me it won't actually taste like a
>> steak. Boca Burgers don't taste like ground beef, either.
>
> Maybe at least be open minded enough to give it a try once it
> becomes available. You are condemming it untasted. Old ppl@


Don't become a tiresome preacher Gary. Tend to your own dinner plate.

Cheri

Cheri wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> Oh, from the picture in the link it *looks* like a steak. According to
> >> the article it's "barely distinguishable from real steak". "Barely
> >> distinguishable" is enough to tell me it won't actually taste like a
> >> steak. Boca Burgers don't taste like ground beef, either.
> >
> > Maybe at least be open minded enough to give it a try once it
> > becomes available. You are condemming it untasted. Old ppl@
>
> Don't become a tiresome preacher Gary. Tend to your own dinner plate.
>
> Cheri

And here, Cheri chimes in. :-D