On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 15:15:30 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 2:36:55 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>
>> " wrote:
>> >
>> > A tragedy for his family left to deal with this the rest of their lives.
>> > No sympathy for the selfish ******* though.
>>
>> Don't try to 2nd guess though. He might have done that for a
>> valid reason and he might have let his family know about
>> beforehand. You shouldn't call him selfish. None of us know the
>> details...it's brand new news.
>>
>>
>I'm not second guessing and there is never a valid reason to take your own
>life when you have children. Don't try to excuse his selfish behavior with
>platitudes of 'he might have let his family know beforehand.' That is
>laughable.

O.k., stop. We get you. No need for more.
Janet US

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 17:12:58 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:36:58 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 8:32:24 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I had a late start this morning and was surprised that no one else
>>>> > had
>>>> > posted about the death of Anthony Bourdain.... by suicide. What a
>>>> > tragedy. He was a very interesting guy.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/us/an...bit/index.html
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> A tragedy for his family left to deal with this the rest of their
>>>> lives.
>>>> No sympathy for the selfish ******* though.
>>>
>>>Don't try to 2nd guess though. He might have done that for a
>>>valid reason and he might have let his family know about
>>>beforehand. You shouldn't call him selfish. None of us know the
>>>details...it's brand new news.
>>
>>Now everyone knows with absolute certainty that Gary is an ignoranus,
>
> No, he's right.


Completely right.

Cheri

> wrote in message
...
> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 11:04:47 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > Yep, a person who only thinks of themselves and does not think about
>> > the
>> > pain and lifetime heartache and questions they leave behind.
>>
>> Sometimes the note explains it all.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
> Did he leave a note? I know Kate Spade did but they have not released
> the contents yet. Or if they have I haven't read it yet.
>


I don't know about either of them, but I do know that some people opt for
assisted suicide with the full support of their families when ill. I
couldn't venture a guess as to why someone chooses to end their life, many
times for something only known to them. I have nothing but compassion for
these troubled souls.

Cheri

On 2018-06-08 4:24 PM, wrote:
> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 5:16:02 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>>
>> You clearly know nothing and spout the common prejudice.
>>
>>
> Well, fill us in graham. We're all waiting with baited breath to hear
> your theory about how wonderful his family will be now that he's killed
> himself. Tell how easy it is going to be for that little girl to cope
> with her father dead and knowing he killed himself. He didn't drop dead
> of a heart attack, he didn't waste away from cancer, he wasn't mowed down
> by a drunk driver, he wasn't killed in a plane crash. But tell us how
> right and wonderful it was what he did. Tell us what a spectacular thing
> he did and how it's going to benefit everyone. Tell us that little girl
> will be just fine and dandy.
>
The fact that you align yourself with that misanthrope, Sheldon, shows
you to be an ignorant, thoughtless piece of Trumpian-trailer-trash.
PLONK!

Notbob, I believe he hung himself, didn't blow his brains out. He may have been depressed; he
had been known as a drug user. Too bad he left a young daughter, though. RIP.

N.

On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 07:19:56 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 17:01:35 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 07:34:38 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 8:32:24 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had a late start this morning and was surprised that no one else had
>>>> posted about the death of Anthony Bourdain.... by suicide. What a
>>>> tragedy. He was a very interesting guy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/us/an...bit/index.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>A tragedy for his family left to deal with this the rest of their lives.
>>>No sympathy for the selfish ******* though.
>>
>>Totally agree.
>
>You must be suffering pretty badly before you do something as horrible
>as hang yourself. It's very easy and shallow to judge and condemn him
>without knowing anything about him.

A useless douchebag, good it's gone/

On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 07:22:04 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 17:12:58 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:36:58 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 8:32:24 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I had a late start this morning and was surprised that no one else had
>>>> > posted about the death of Anthony Bourdain.... by suicide. What a
>>>> > tragedy. He was a very interesting guy.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/us/an...bit/index.html
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> A tragedy for his family left to deal with this the rest of their lives.
>>>> No sympathy for the selfish ******* though.
>>>
>>>Don't try to 2nd guess though. He might have done that for a
>>>valid reason and he might have let his family know about
>>>beforehand. You shouldn't call him selfish. None of us know the
>>>details...it's brand new news.
>>
>>Now everyone knows with absolute certainty that Gary is an ignoranus,
>
>No, he's right.

Hang yourself you useless ****.

In article >,
says...
> Subject: Anthony Bourdain RIP
> From: >
> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>
> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 5:16:02 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
> >
> > You clearly know nothing and spout the common prejudice.
> >
> >
> Well, fill us in graham. We're all waiting with baited breath to hear
> your theory about how wonderful his family will be now that he's killed
> himself.

Distorting Graham's comment makes you look bad. He didn't say that.

Tell how easy it is going to be for that little girl to cope
> with her father dead and knowing he killed himself. He didn't drop dead
> of a heart attack, he didn't waste away from cancer, he wasn't mowed down
> by a drunk driver, he wasn't killed in a plane crash.

And we don't KNOW that the hanging was suicide. It could have been a
well-known auto-erotic sexual activity that went wrong and he did not
intend to kill himself. We don't know what other factors were in play
(terrible shock, mental illness, effects of drugs or drink). In this
country, coroners reports of suicide often describe "suicide while the
balance of the mind was disturbed".


But tell us how
> right and wonderful it was what he did. Tell us what a spectacular thing
> he did and how it's going to benefit everyone. Tell us that little girl
> will be just fine and dandy.

Ugly talk.

When delusions and paranoia take over, it's not uncommon for disturbed
people to believe with absolute certainty that their
family/partner/children want them to die, will welcome the death, or,
that staying alive will inflict a lifetime of worse suffering on their
children. Unless you've witnessed it you probably can't imagine how
terrifying acute mental illness can be to those affected.


Janet UK


>

On 2018-06-08 8:18 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>> Subject: Anthony Bourdain RIP
>> From: >
>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>>
>> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 5:16:02 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>>>
>>> You clearly know nothing and spout the common prejudice.
>>>
>>>
>> Well, fill us in graham. We're all waiting with baited breath to hear
>> your theory about how wonderful his family will be now that he's killed
>> himself.
>
> Distorting Graham's comment makes you look bad. He didn't say that.
>
> Tell how easy it is going to be for that little girl to cope
>> with her father dead and knowing he killed himself. He didn't drop dead
>> of a heart attack, he didn't waste away from cancer, he wasn't mowed down
>> by a drunk driver, he wasn't killed in a plane crash.
>
> And we don't KNOW that the hanging was suicide. It could have been a
> well-known auto-erotic sexual activity that went wrong and he did not
> intend to kill himself. We don't know what other factors were in play
> (terrible shock, mental illness, effects of drugs or drink). In this
> country, coroners reports of suicide often describe "suicide while the
> balance of the mind was disturbed".
>
>
> But tell us how
>> right and wonderful it was what he did. Tell us what a spectacular thing
>> he did and how it's going to benefit everyone. Tell us that little girl
>> will be just fine and dandy.
>
> Ugly talk.
>
> When delusions and paranoia take over, it's not uncommon for disturbed
> people to believe with absolute certainty that their
> family/partner/children want them to die, will welcome the death, or,
> that staying alive will inflict a lifetime of worse suffering on their
> children. Unless you've witnessed it you probably can't imagine how
> terrifying acute mental illness can be to those affected.
>
>
> Janet UK
>
Thank you, Janet!!

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 9:18:36 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
>
> > Subject: Anthony Bourdain RIP
> > From: >
> > Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> >
> > On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 5:16:02 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
> > >
> > > You clearly know nothing and spout the common prejudice.
> > >
> > >
> > Well, fill us in graham. We're all waiting with baited breath to hear
> > your theory about how wonderful his family will be now that he's killed
> > himself.
>
> Distorting Graham's comment makes you look bad. He didn't say that.
>
Learn to read. Graham certainly did say that. He replied to me at 5:16
p.m. my local time.
>
> Tell how easy it is going to be for that little girl to cope
> > with her father dead and knowing he killed himself. He didn't drop dead
> > of a heart attack, he didn't waste away from cancer, he wasn't mowed down
> > by a drunk driver, he wasn't killed in a plane crash.
>
> And we don't KNOW that the hanging was suicide. It could have been a
> well-known auto-erotic sexual activity that went wrong and he did not
> intend to kill himself. We don't know what other factors were in play
> (terrible shock, mental illness, effects of drugs or drink). In this
> country, coroners reports of suicide often describe "suicide while the
> balance of the mind was disturbed".
>
I never once inferred it was a hanging.
>
> But tell us how
> > right and wonderful it was what he did. Tell us what a spectacular thing
> > he did and how it's going to benefit everyone. Tell us that little girl
> > will be just fine and dandy.
>
> Ugly talk.
>
What's ugly talk about a little girl who now has to live with the selfish
suicide of her father? What's ugly is what he did.
>
> When delusions and paranoia take over, it's not uncommon for disturbed
> people to believe with absolute certainty that their
> family/partner/children want them to die, will welcome the death, or,
> that staying alive will inflict a lifetime of worse suffering on their
> children. Unless you've witnessed it you probably can't imagine how
> terrifying acute mental illness can be to those affected.
>
> Janet UK

On 6/8/2018 9:08 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-06-08 4:24 PM, wrote:
>> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 5:16:02 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>>>
>>> You clearly know nothing and spout the common prejudice.
>>>
>>>
>> Well, fill us in graham.Â* We're all waiting with baited breath to hear
>> your theory about how wonderful his family will be now that he's killed
>> himself.Â* Tell how easy it is going to be for that little girl to cope
>> with her father dead and knowing he killed himself.Â* He didn't drop dead
>> of a heart attack, he didn't waste away from cancer, he wasn't mowed down
>> by a drunk driver, he wasn't killed in a plane crash.Â* But tell us how
>> right and wonderful it was what he did.Â* Tell us what a spectacular thing
>> he did and how it's going to benefit everyone. Tell us that little girl
>> will be just fine and dandy.
>>
> The fact that you align yourself with that misanthrope, Sheldon, shows
> you to be an ignorant, thoughtless piece of Trumpian-trailer-trash.
> PLONK!

Oh give me a break. Anthony Bordain committing suicide has nothing to
do with your opinion of RFC, Sheldon, or Donald Trump. Stop twisting
this into something it isn't. It clearly will hurt the child and
family. Suicide always does.

Ever heard this song? "Suicide is painless?" No, it's not. Not for
the people left behind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo

Jill

On 6/8/2018 9:08 PM, Cheri wrote:

>
>
> I don't know about either of them, but I do know that some people opt
> for assisted suicide with the full support of their families when ill. I
> couldn't venture a guess as to why someone chooses to end their life,
> many times for something only known to them. I have nothing but
> compassion for these troubled souls.
>
> Cheri

I can, under certain circumstances, understand assisted suicide. I've
seen people in bed in extreme pain from cancer for weeks. They are not
going to be cured or get any better. If they want to cut short a couple
of weeks, good for them.

Easy to be critical of others but I'm not going to condemn them. I have
no idea what is going on in their head or why. It certainly is not
normal.

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 21:49:28 -0400, wrote:

>On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 07:22:04 +1000, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 17:12:58 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:36:58 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 8:32:24 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I had a late start this morning and was surprised that no one else had
>>>>> > posted about the death of Anthony Bourdain.... by suicide. What a
>>>>> > tragedy. He was a very interesting guy.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/us/an...bit/index.html
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> A tragedy for his family left to deal with this the rest of their lives.
>>>>> No sympathy for the selfish ******* though.
>>>>
>>>>Don't try to 2nd guess though. He might have done that for a
>>>>valid reason and he might have let his family know about
>>>>beforehand. You shouldn't call him selfish. None of us know the
>>>>details...it's brand new news.
>>>
>>>Now everyone knows with absolute certainty that Gary is an ignoranus,
>>
>>No, he's right.
>
>Hang yourself you useless ****.

Just when it seems you've hit rock bottom, you manage to go lower.

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 5:00:35 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:36:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:32:27 -0400, Dave Smith
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >I had a late start this morning and was surprised that no one else had
> >> >posted about the death of Anthony Bourdain.... by suicide. What a
> >> >tragedy. He was a very interesting guy.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/us/an...bit/index.html
> >>
> >> That is unexpected. From an outsider's perspective, it seemed he had
> >> it all figured out.
> >> Janet US
> >
> >It wasn't on this morning's news but will probably be on this
> >evening's news. That is a shock to me. I suspect though that this
> >probably wasn't a "depression suicide." I suspect he might have
> >had some terminal health problem and he decided to end it quickly
> >rather than some lingering death. If that's the case, I'm with
> >him. Quality of life over quantity.
>
> Charles Krauthammer's doctors gave him three weeks to live (an
> agressive form ofcancer), Charles, a Psychiatrist, MD) likely thinks
> Anthony is a stupid douchebag and I have to agree. Life is too short
> as it is, only an uncaring shallow brained moroon makes it shorter.
> I have no pity for anyone who commits suicide, and they deserve no
> pity for leaving their family and friends with that horrendous burdon.
> Anthony Bourdain lived his life as a sspineless coward and deserves an
> unmarked grave. If only there was some way that Krauthammer could
> have claimed Burdain's unlived life. . . .
> Let's all erase Anthony Burdain's name from our memory... the useless
> putz left a young child to suffer the rest of her life with a heart
> breaking memory. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PITY FOR "WHAT'S HIS NAME".

My husband is in chronic pain, and opioids don't help much.
He's talked about committing suicide should the pain increase.
I said, "Do what you have to do." He's neither a coward nor
a wimp.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 23:22:28 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/8/2018 9:08 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I don't know about either of them, but I do know that some people opt
>> for assisted suicide with the full support of their families when ill. I
>> couldn't venture a guess as to why someone chooses to end their life,
>> many times for something only known to them. I have nothing but
>> compassion for these troubled souls.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>I can, under certain circumstances, understand assisted suicide. I've
>seen people in bed in extreme pain from cancer for weeks. They are not
>going to be cured or get any better. If they want to cut short a couple
>of weeks, good for them.
>
>Easy to be critical of others but I'm not going to condemn them. I have
>no idea what is going on in their head or why. It certainly is not
>normal.

I agree with you Ed, all this speculation about a person nobody here
really knows! I can't believe someone takes that step without really
believing its for the best, therein lies the tragedy for him and all
his family.

I believe firmly in assisted death but we are still in the early
stages here in Canada, hope we progress to the level of the
Netherlands and Switzerland quickly.

On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 07:59:01 -0300, wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 23:22:28 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 6/8/2018 9:08 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know about either of them, but I do know that some people opt
>>> for assisted suicide with the full support of their families when ill. I
>>> couldn't venture a guess as to why someone chooses to end their life,
>>> many times for something only known to them. I have nothing but
>>> compassion for these troubled souls.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>>I can, under certain circumstances, understand assisted suicide. I've
>>seen people in bed in extreme pain from cancer for weeks. They are not
>>going to be cured or get any better. If they want to cut short a couple
>>of weeks, good for them.
>>
>>Easy to be critical of others but I'm not going to condemn them. I have
>>no idea what is going on in their head or why. It certainly is not
>>normal.
>
>I agree with you Ed, all this speculation about a person nobody here
>really knows! I can't believe someone takes that step without really
>believing its for the best, therein lies the tragedy for him and all
>his family.
>
>I believe firmly in assisted death but we are still in the early
>stages here in Canada, hope we progress to the level of the
>Netherlands and Switzerland quickly.

Yes. I hope Australia progresses to the level of the Netherlands
before I'll ever need it. It's really sick to force people to suffer
and then die.

On 6/8/2018 11:16 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>
> Ever heard this song?Â* "Suicide is painless?"Â* No, it's not.Â* Not for
> the people left behind.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo
>
> Jill

The new last nigh said calls to the hotline go up about 25% when things
like this are on the news. But suicides also go up about 10%

On 2018-06-09 6:59 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 23:22:28 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> I believe firmly in assisted death but we are still in the early
> stages here in Canada, hope we progress to the level of the
> Netherlands and Switzerland quickly.

One of my wife's oldest and dearest friends tried for assisted suicide
about a year and a half ago. She had a number of health issues and has
suffered a heart attack and a stroke. She was dying and it was just a
matter of time. She requested assisted death but the process took about
two weeks and she ended up dying on her own.

On 6/8/2018 7:44 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
> Notbob, I believe he hung himself, didn't blow his brains out. He may have been depressed; he
> had been known as a drug user. Too bad he left a young daughter, though. RIP.

I was being "weird" myself when I made that statement. There was only
one post when I started writing my post. I didn't read about Tony's
death, as it would only depress me.

My brother OD'd on H, which I believe was a suicide, though he had so
much to look forward to. I also think he was bipolar, as it was fully
explained to me by "devil in de blue dress" (what wuz her name?). My
brother and Anthony had many similarities. I didn't know half the ppl
that showed up at my brother's wake! (a VERY "compartmentalized" life).
When I learned Tony had committed suicide, I thought, "No surprise". My
brother was also about the same age. 8|

nb

On 6/9/2018 6:49 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 5:00:35 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:36:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:32:27 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I had a late start this morning and was surprised that no one else had
>>>>> posted about the death of Anthony Bourdain.... by suicide. What a
>>>>> tragedy. He was a very interesting guy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/us/an...bit/index.html
>>>>
>>>> That is unexpected. From an outsider's perspective, it seemed he had
>>>> it all figured out.
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>> It wasn't on this morning's news but will probably be on this
>>> evening's news. That is a shock to me. I suspect though that this
>>> probably wasn't a "depression suicide." I suspect he might have
>>> had some terminal health problem and he decided to end it quickly
>>> rather than some lingering death. If that's the case, I'm with
>>> him. Quality of life over quantity.
>>
>> Charles Krauthammer's doctors gave him three weeks to live (an
>> agressive form ofcancer), Charles, a Psychiatrist, MD) likely thinks
>> Anthony is a stupid douchebag and I have to agree. Life is too short
>> as it is, only an uncaring shallow brained moroon makes it shorter.
>> I have no pity for anyone who commits suicide, and they deserve no
>> pity for leaving their family and friends with that horrendous burdon.
>> Anthony Bourdain lived his life as a sspineless coward and deserves an
>> unmarked grave. If only there was some way that Krauthammer could
>> have claimed Burdain's unlived life. . . .
>> Let's all erase Anthony Burdain's name from our memory... the useless
>> putz left a young child to suffer the rest of her life with a heart
>> breaking memory. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PITY FOR "WHAT'S HIS NAME".
>
> My husband is in chronic pain, and opioids don't help much.
> He's talked about committing suicide should the pain increase.
> I said, "Do what you have to do." He's neither a coward nor
> a wimp.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I'm sorry to hear your husband is in pain, Cindy. I agree it's a
difficult choice between constant and worsening (never going to get
better) pain and the cloudy haze of opioids when they cease to alleviate
pain. Tough decision. I do think the option should be available. As
long as it is peaceful.

Who knows what mental pain these people were going through? I don't
think "put on a happy face" works when someone goes to a very dark place
in their mind. I don't understand it, but I can imagine it.

My SO's father killed himself. He shot himself in the head after first
shooting his second wife. Sorry, why did he have to take her out with
him?! There was no note, no indication it was a suicide pact. She was
probably terrified. John, an only child, was left to deal with the
aftermath. It was horrific for him.

I do think if you plan to commit suicide you should at least do it in a
manner which isn't gruesome.

Jill

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 23:22:28 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/8/2018 9:08 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I don't know about either of them, but I do know that some people opt
>> for assisted suicide with the full support of their families when ill. I
>> couldn't venture a guess as to why someone chooses to end their life,
>> many times for something only known to them. I have nothing but
>> compassion for these troubled souls.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>I can, under certain circumstances, understand assisted suicide. I've
>seen people in bed in extreme pain from cancer for weeks. They are not
>going to be cured or get any better. If they want to cut short a couple
>of weeks, good for them.
>
>Easy to be critical of others but I'm not going to condemn them. I have
>no idea what is going on in their head or why. It certainly is not
>normal.

Very often when individuals are terminal and in pain they are not
really living anyway. And that's why some folks have a DNR (Do Not
Resusitate), they do not want to be kept artificially alive
only to be placed on a feeding tube and live perhaps another week in
and out of a drug induced coma. For some being put out of their
misery quickly is a better alternative than Hospice.

On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 21:54:53 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 07:59:01 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 23:22:28 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 6/8/2018 9:08 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about either of them, but I do know that some people opt
>>>> for assisted suicide with the full support of their families when ill. I
>>>> couldn't venture a guess as to why someone chooses to end their life,
>>>> many times for something only known to them. I have nothing but
>>>> compassion for these troubled souls.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>>I can, under certain circumstances, understand assisted suicide. I've
>>>seen people in bed in extreme pain from cancer for weeks. They are not
>>>going to be cured or get any better. If they want to cut short a couple
>>>of weeks, good for them.
>>>
>>>Easy to be critical of others but I'm not going to condemn them. I have
>>>no idea what is going on in their head or why. It certainly is not
>>>normal.
>>
>>I agree with you Ed, all this speculation about a person nobody here
>>really knows! I can't believe someone takes that step without really
>>believing its for the best, therein lies the tragedy for him and all
>>his family.
>>
>>I believe firmly in assisted death but we are still in the early
>>stages here in Canada, hope we progress to the level of the
>>Netherlands and Switzerland quickly.
>
>Yes. I hope Australia progresses to the level of the Netherlands
>before I'll ever need it. It's really sick to force people to suffer
>and then die.

As I've gotten older I've witnessed more and more souls in Hospice, as
far from pleasant as it gets. I have a neighbor in Hospice now, would
make as much sense to visit as to visit a morgue.
A loved one in Hospice just draws out the dying and makes it tougher
on those left behind.

On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 10:02:20 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-06-09 6:59 AM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 23:22:28 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> I believe firmly in assisted death but we are still in the early
>> stages here in Canada, hope we progress to the level of the
>> Netherlands and Switzerland quickly.
>
>One of my wife's oldest and dearest friends tried for assisted suicide
>about a year and a half ago. She had a number of health issues and has
>suffered a heart attack and a stroke. She was dying and it was just a
>matter of time. She requested assisted death but the process took about
>two weeks and she ended up dying on her own.
>
>
Currently it is only 'if death is imminent' - that really does not
make sense. When making a new Medical PofA recently - I thought I had
been quite explicit as to what I wanted but when my copy came, three
or four times he used the 'when death is imminent' - I told him to
redo it and take that out and that's when I found out he was RC ! I
told him I am an atheist and this is what I want, as a lawyer if you
can't separate your religion and your legal work, then we should stop.
I won't pay you and will find another lawyer. Amazing how fast I
could have it my way

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 10:49:33 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 6/9/2018 6:49 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 5:00:35 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> >> On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:36:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >>
> >>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:32:27 -0400, Dave Smith
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I had a late start this morning and was surprised that no one else had
> >>>>> posted about the death of Anthony Bourdain.... by suicide. What a
> >>>>> tragedy. He was a very interesting guy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/us/an...bit/index.html
> >>>>
> >>>> That is unexpected. From an outsider's perspective, it seemed he had
> >>>> it all figured out.
> >>>> Janet US
> >>>
> >>> It wasn't on this morning's news but will probably be on this
> >>> evening's news. That is a shock to me. I suspect though that this
> >>> probably wasn't a "depression suicide." I suspect he might have
> >>> had some terminal health problem and he decided to end it quickly
> >>> rather than some lingering death. If that's the case, I'm with
> >>> him. Quality of life over quantity.
> >>
> >> Charles Krauthammer's doctors gave him three weeks to live (an
> >> agressive form ofcancer), Charles, a Psychiatrist, MD) likely thinks
> >> Anthony is a stupid douchebag and I have to agree. Life is too short
> >> as it is, only an uncaring shallow brained moroon makes it shorter.
> >> I have no pity for anyone who commits suicide, and they deserve no
> >> pity for leaving their family and friends with that horrendous burdon.
> >> Anthony Bourdain lived his life as a sspineless coward and deserves an
> >> unmarked grave. If only there was some way that Krauthammer could
> >> have claimed Burdain's unlived life. . . .
> >> Let's all erase Anthony Burdain's name from our memory... the useless
> >> putz left a young child to suffer the rest of her life with a heart
> >> breaking memory. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PITY FOR "WHAT'S HIS NAME".
> >
> > My husband is in chronic pain, and opioids don't help much.
> > He's talked about committing suicide should the pain increase.
> > I said, "Do what you have to do." He's neither a coward nor
> > a wimp.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> I'm sorry to hear your husband is in pain, Cindy. I agree it's a
> difficult choice between constant and worsening (never going to get
> better) pain and the cloudy haze of opioids when they cease to alleviate
> pain. Tough decision. I do think the option should be available. As
> long as it is peaceful.
>
> Who knows what mental pain these people were going through? I don't
> think "put on a happy face" works when someone goes to a very dark place
> in their mind. I don't understand it, but I can imagine it.
>
> My SO's father killed himself. He shot himself in the head after first
> shooting his second wife. Sorry, why did he have to take her out with
> him?! There was no note, no indication it was a suicide pact. She was
> probably terrified. John, an only child, was left to deal with the
> aftermath. It was horrific for him.
>
> I do think if you plan to commit suicide you should at least do it in a
> manner which isn't gruesome.
>
> Jill

Last I heard, his plan was to go out in the back yard, call the police
to report himself as a dead body, and shoot himself immediately. So
I wouldn't have to find him afterward.

Cindy Hamilton

On 6/9/2018 11:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 10:49:33 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> On 6/9/2018 6:49 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 5:00:35 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:36:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:32:27 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had a late start this morning and was surprised that no one else had
>>>>>>> posted about the death of Anthony Bourdain.... by suicide. What a
>>>>>>> tragedy. He was a very interesting guy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/us/an...bit/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is unexpected. From an outsider's perspective, it seemed he had
>>>>>> it all figured out.
>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>
>>>>> It wasn't on this morning's news but will probably be on this
>>>>> evening's news. That is a shock to me. I suspect though that this
>>>>> probably wasn't a "depression suicide." I suspect he might have
>>>>> had some terminal health problem and he decided to end it quickly
>>>>> rather than some lingering death. If that's the case, I'm with
>>>>> him. Quality of life over quantity.
>>>>
>>>> Charles Krauthammer's doctors gave him three weeks to live (an
>>>> agressive form ofcancer), Charles, a Psychiatrist, MD) likely thinks
>>>> Anthony is a stupid douchebag and I have to agree. Life is too short
>>>> as it is, only an uncaring shallow brained moroon makes it shorter.
>>>> I have no pity for anyone who commits suicide, and they deserve no
>>>> pity for leaving their family and friends with that horrendous burdon.
>>>> Anthony Bourdain lived his life as a sspineless coward and deserves an
>>>> unmarked grave. If only there was some way that Krauthammer could
>>>> have claimed Burdain's unlived life. . . .
>>>> Let's all erase Anthony Burdain's name from our memory... the useless
>>>> putz left a young child to suffer the rest of her life with a heart
>>>> breaking memory. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PITY FOR "WHAT'S HIS NAME".
>>>
>>> My husband is in chronic pain, and opioids don't help much.
>>> He's talked about committing suicide should the pain increase.
>>> I said, "Do what you have to do." He's neither a coward nor
>>> a wimp.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> I'm sorry to hear your husband is in pain, Cindy. I agree it's a
>> difficult choice between constant and worsening (never going to get
>> better) pain and the cloudy haze of opioids when they cease to alleviate
>> pain. Tough decision. I do think the option should be available. As
>> long as it is peaceful.
>>
>> Who knows what mental pain these people were going through? I don't
>> think "put on a happy face" works when someone goes to a very dark place
>> in their mind. I don't understand it, but I can imagine it.
>>
>> My SO's father killed himself. He shot himself in the head after first
>> shooting his second wife. Sorry, why did he have to take her out with
>> him?! There was no note, no indication it was a suicide pact. She was
>> probably terrified. John, an only child, was left to deal with the
>> aftermath. It was horrific for him.
>>
>> I do think if you plan to commit suicide you should at least do it in a
>> manner which isn't gruesome.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Last I heard, his plan was to go out in the back yard, call the police
> to report himself as a dead body, and shoot himself immediately. So
> I wouldn't have to find him afterward.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Oh dear. I'm sorry but that sounds horrific.

Jill

On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 08:36:16 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>
>Last I heard, his plan was to go out in the back yard, call the police
>to report himself as a dead body, and shoot himself immediately. So
>I wouldn't have to find him afterward.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

It makes a terrible mess because the head sort of explodes, there are
better methods from the point of view of those left behind. One vial
of insulin will do it if you're not diabetic.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 6/8/2018 11:16 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> >
> > Ever heard this song? "Suicide is painless?" No, it's not. Not for
> > the people left behind.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo
> >
> > Jill
>
> The new last nigh said calls to the hotline go up about 25% when things
> like this are on the news. But suicides also go up about 10%

The extra coverage on the news is probably what keeps these
trending events happening....school shootings, women outing men
from their past, crimes committed with guns, suicides, teacher
strikes, people parading around everywhere protesting every
possible thing in their worthless lives. Even vacationers
canceling trips to Hawaii after seeing constant daily news about
how it's constantly getting worse.

This country is doomed - it's just a matter of time.

On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 11:40:47 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/9/2018 11:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 10:49:33 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>> On 6/9/2018 6:49 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 5:00:35 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:36:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:32:27 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had a late start this morning and was surprised that no one else had
>>>>>>>> posted about the death of Anthony Bourdain.... by suicide. What a
>>>>>>>> tragedy. He was a very interesting guy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/us/an...bit/index.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is unexpected. From an outsider's perspective, it seemed he had
>>>>>>> it all figured out.
>>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It wasn't on this morning's news but will probably be on this
>>>>>> evening's news. That is a shock to me. I suspect though that this
>>>>>> probably wasn't a "depression suicide." I suspect he might have
>>>>>> had some terminal health problem and he decided to end it quickly
>>>>>> rather than some lingering death. If that's the case, I'm with
>>>>>> him. Quality of life over quantity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charles Krauthammer's doctors gave him three weeks to live (an
>>>>> agressive form ofcancer), Charles, a Psychiatrist, MD) likely thinks
>>>>> Anthony is a stupid douchebag and I have to agree. Life is too short
>>>>> as it is, only an uncaring shallow brained moroon makes it shorter.
>>>>> I have no pity for anyone who commits suicide, and they deserve no
>>>>> pity for leaving their family and friends with that horrendous burdon.
>>>>> Anthony Bourdain lived his life as a sspineless coward and deserves an
>>>>> unmarked grave. If only there was some way that Krauthammer could
>>>>> have claimed Burdain's unlived life. . . .
>>>>> Let's all erase Anthony Burdain's name from our memory... the useless
>>>>> putz left a young child to suffer the rest of her life with a heart
>>>>> breaking memory. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PITY FOR "WHAT'S HIS NAME".
>>>>
>>>> My husband is in chronic pain, and opioids don't help much.
>>>> He's talked about committing suicide should the pain increase.
>>>> I said, "Do what you have to do." He's neither a coward nor
>>>> a wimp.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> I'm sorry to hear your husband is in pain, Cindy. I agree it's a
>>> difficult choice between constant and worsening (never going to get
>>> better) pain and the cloudy haze of opioids when they cease to alleviate
>>> pain. Tough decision. I do think the option should be available. As
>>> long as it is peaceful.
>>>
>>> Who knows what mental pain these people were going through? I don't
>>> think "put on a happy face" works when someone goes to a very dark place
>>> in their mind. I don't understand it, but I can imagine it.
>>>
>>> My SO's father killed himself. He shot himself in the head after first
>>> shooting his second wife. Sorry, why did he have to take her out with
>>> him?! There was no note, no indication it was a suicide pact. She was
>>> probably terrified. John, an only child, was left to deal with the
>>> aftermath. It was horrific for him.
>>>
>>> I do think if you plan to commit suicide you should at least do it in a
>>> manner which isn't gruesome.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Last I heard, his plan was to go out in the back yard, call the police
>> to report himself as a dead body, and shoot himself immediately. So
>> I wouldn't have to find him afterward.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>Oh dear. I'm sorry but that sounds horrific.
>
>Jill

Odds are the first thing the cops would think is that she shot him.

On 2018-06-09 11:08 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 23:22:28 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>> Easy to be critical of others but I'm not going to condemn them. I have
>> no idea what is going on in their head or why. It certainly is not
>> normal.
>
> Very often when individuals are terminal and in pain they are not
> really living anyway. And that's why some folks have a DNR (Do Not
> Resusitate), they do not want to be kept artificially alive
> only to be placed on a feeding tube and live perhaps another week in
> and out of a drug induced coma. For some being put out of their
> misery quickly is a better alternative than Hospice.

That often leaves the Power of Attorney to make the decision when the
time comes. My father was PoA for his sister and when his time was
running low on time he made arrangements for me to take it over. A few
months after he died I had a phone call at about 4 am on a Sunday
morning from a doctor in a hospital telling me that my aunt had had a
(another) stroke and that he had noted I was the new PoA and he asked if
the DNR was still in effect. I asked him to call me back in 10 minutes.
He did that, and I told him that those were her wishes when we was
competent to choose the DNR, so, yes, it stood. They kept her as
comfortable as they could for a few days until she died.

Meanwhile, I had to deal with my cousin and her crazy ideas. Had she
been competent she would have had the PoA instead of me.

On 2018-06-09 11:26 AM, wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 10:02:20 -0400, Dave Smith
>
>> One of my wife's oldest and dearest friends tried for assisted suicide
>> about a year and a half ago. She had a number of health issues and has
>> suffered a heart attack and a stroke. She was dying and it was just a
>> matter of time. She requested assisted death but the process took about
>> two weeks and she ended up dying on her own.
>>
>>
> Currently it is only 'if death is imminent' - that really does not
> make sense. When making a new Medical PofA recently - I thought I had
> been quite explicit as to what I wanted but when my copy came, three
> or four times he used the 'when death is imminent' - I told him to
> redo it and take that out and that's when I found out he was RC ! I
> told him I am an atheist and this is what I want, as a lawyer if you
> can't separate your religion and your legal work, then we should stop.
> I won't pay you and will find another lawyer. Amazing how fast I
> could have it my way


The word "imminent" is not exactly precise, so there can be a broad
interpretation.... anywhere from seconds to weeks or even months. I
watched my father suffer through the end stages of cancer. If he had
been a dog we would have taken him to a vet to be euthanized a month
earlier, but he had to go through that ordeal. I think my mother,
brothers and I would have been able to deal with a decision to end his
life peacefully. Fortunately, the staff in the palliative care ward had
no problems giving him lots and lots of morphine.

We have a neighbour who worked in the palliative care ward of another
hospital and she once told me that when terminal patients are admitted
they take them off all their pain medication. She said it is the pain
meds that kill them. Well, yeah, perhaps it does, but they go almost
pain free instead of screaming in agony.

On 6/9/2018 11:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> Last I heard, his plan was to go out in the back yard, call the police
> to report himself as a dead body, and shoot himself immediately. So
> I wouldn't have to find him afterward.

I had no idea your husband was suffering, I'm very sorry to hear
that. I wish for someone to come up with pain management for him.

nancy

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 1:26:29 PM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 6/9/2018 11:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > Last I heard, his plan was to go out in the back yard, call the police
> > to report himself as a dead body, and shoot himself immediately. So
> > I wouldn't have to find him afterward.
>
> I had no idea your husband was suffering, I'm very sorry to hear
> that. I wish for someone to come up with pain management for him.
>
> nancy

I think once he retires (which I expect will be in a few months), he'll
do much better.

Cindy Hamilton

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/9/2018 11:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> Last I heard, his plan was to go out in the back yard, call the police
>> to report himself as a dead body, and shoot himself immediately. So
>> I wouldn't have to find him afterward.

That was the exact plan I posted here a few months ago if it ever came to
that, no mess in the house, no chance of dh finding me, body taken away,
done deal. Great minds. LOL

Cheri

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> My husband is in chronic pain, and opioids don't help much.
> He's talked about committing suicide should the pain increase.
> I said, "Do what you have to do." He's neither a coward nor
> a wimp.

So sorry to hear this Cindy. If his problem is terminal (only
going to get worse) I agree with both of you. Hopefully he will
let you know if it ever does come to that. At that time, to save
yourself some legal trouble, take a trip with a friend or
relative so you have a solid alibi that you weren't anywhere near
him when this happens.

wrote:
>
> As I've gotten older I've witnessed more and more souls in Hospice, as
> far from pleasant as it gets. I have a neighbor in Hospice now, would
> make as much sense to visit as to visit a morgue.
> A loved one in Hospice just draws out the dying and makes it tougher
> on those left behind.

Big double standard with idiot humans. So wonderful and
thoughtful to have our suffering pets put to sleep to end their
agony. Our relatives however are forced to suffer to the bitter
end until they die on their own.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Last I heard, his plan was to go out in the back yard, call the police
> to report himself as a dead body, and shoot himself immediately. So
> I wouldn't have to find him afterward.

Suggest this too him. Don't call police then shoot himself
immediately. He might have a serious head wound but not kill
himself. If they came immediately they might be able to save him
only to stay alive as a "vegetable" for a long time.

I've thought this out myself just in case....

Best to say goodbye to you then send you away for a few days to
keep you out of suspicion. Then....mail a death letter to the
police on Saturday night - after the mailman comes and goes on
saturday, put it in your own mailbox. It will be picked up and
sent on Monday, so they will come and find him soon enough.

This way, if he chickens out on the suicide and doesn't do it, he
has until mailman time Monday to take the letter back out of the
mailbox and not involve the police. That also gives enough time
to die from a headwound without being saved.

Morbid stuff but it's good to "be prepared." Leaving notes to
loved ones would be cool too.
Also....I do think I've read that a few states in the USA allow
for doctor assisted suicides now. That would be the nicest way -
guaranteed but not violent or messy.

wrote:
>
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 08:36:16 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >Last I heard, his plan was to go out in the back yard, call the police
> >to report himself as a dead body, and shoot himself immediately. So
> >I wouldn't have to find him afterward.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> It makes a terrible mess because the head sort of explodes, there are
> better methods from the point of view of those left behind. One vial
> of insulin will do it if you're not diabetic.

I wouldn't try any drug combination on my own. You might end up
in a hospital bed almost brain dead for years. As far as shooting
yourself in the head, best to do it outside during a heavy
downpour to wash away all the mess. Also use a shotgun...much
more efficient than a single bullet.

And again...tell loved ones beforehand or leave goodbye letters
to them so they understand why you did this and that should
really help them heal from the loss. Especially if you do this
because you are living in contain unbearable pain with no cure in
sight.

On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 15:27:18 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 08:36:16 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Last I heard, his plan was to go out in the back yard, call the police
>> >to report himself as a dead body, and shoot himself immediately. So
>> >I wouldn't have to find him afterward.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> It makes a terrible mess because the head sort of explodes, there are
>> better methods from the point of view of those left behind. One vial
>> of insulin will do it if you're not diabetic.
>
>I wouldn't try any drug combination on my own. You might end up
>in a hospital bed almost brain dead for years.

Nope! I have had that confirmed by two doctors and exactly how it
would work. Shivering a bit, coma, gone.


As far as shooting
>yourself in the head, best to do it outside during a heavy
>downpour to wash away all the mess. Also use a shotgun...much
>more efficient than a single bullet.
>
>And again...tell loved ones beforehand or leave goodbye letters
>to them so they understand why you did this and that should
>really help them heal from the loss. Especially if you do this
>because you are living in contain unbearable pain with no cure in
>sight.

"Gary" wrote in message ...

wrote:
>
> As I've gotten older I've witnessed more and more souls in Hospice, as
> far from pleasant as it gets. I have a neighbor in Hospice now, would
> make as much sense to visit as to visit a morgue.
> A loved one in Hospice just draws out the dying and makes it tougher
> on those left behind.

Big double standard with idiot humans. So wonderful and
thoughtful to have our suffering pets put to sleep to end their
agony. Our relatives however are forced to suffer to the bitter
end until they die on their own.

==

Yes

On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 12:50:15 -0400, wrote:

>On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 11:40:47 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 6/9/2018 11:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> Last I heard, his plan was to go out in the back yard, call the police
>>> to report himself as a dead body, and shoot himself immediately. So
>>> I wouldn't have to find him afterward.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>Oh dear. I'm sorry but that sounds horrific.
>>
>>Jill
>
>Odds are the first thing the cops would think is that she shot him.

They can tell the difference.