On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:59:32 -0400, wrote:

>On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 22:49:29 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2018-07-09 6:29 PM, wrote:
>>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 09:48:19 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> I grew up with paper straws and wooden ice cream spoons, never saw
>>> plastic til the 6o's. I never saw plastic ball point pens until the
>>> late 50s
>>
>>Ball point pens were slow off the start and were very expensive in the
>>1950s. When I was in elementary school we had to learn to write with
>>stick pens. Once we demonstrated mastery of that we could use fountain
>>pens, and we used them right through high school. By the time I got to
>>university Bic pens were cheap.
>
>Just the opposite in the US, we learned to write long hand with
>fountain pens. When the first ballpoints arrived (Ballerina) they
>were much less expensive than fountain pens. The least expensive
>fountain pens then cost about $4, Esterbrook. The first ballpoints
>cost about 25¢, however they were not yet perfected, they were very
>messy as they leaked and their greasy ink took forever to dry.

I loved having a fountain pen. I had no need for it for school but
kept one anyway. I always filled it with peacock blue ink. I felt so
'smart'
Janet US

On 2018-07-10 4:50 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:59:32 -0400, wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 22:49:29 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-07-09 6:29 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 09:48:19 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> I grew up with paper straws and wooden ice cream spoons, never saw
>>>> plastic til the 6o's. I never saw plastic ball point pens until the
>>>> late 50s
>>>
>>> Ball point pens were slow off the start and were very expensive in the
>>> 1950s. When I was in elementary school we had to learn to write with
>>> stick pens. Once we demonstrated mastery of that we could use fountain
>>> pens, and we used them right through high school. By the time I got to
>>> university Bic pens were cheap.
>>
>> Just the opposite in the US, we learned to write long hand with
>> fountain pens. When the first ballpoints arrived (Ballerina) they
>> were much less expensive than fountain pens. The least expensive
>> fountain pens then cost about $4, Esterbrook. The first ballpoints
>> cost about 25¢, however they were not yet perfected, they were very
>> messy as they leaked and their greasy ink took forever to dry.
>
> I loved having a fountain pen. I had no need for it for school but
> kept one anyway. I always filled it with peacock blue ink. I felt so
> 'smart'
> Janet US
>
I have the Parker fountain pen my Mother bought for me when I passed the
11+ exam to go to grammar school. I also have a bottle of ink that is
over 50 years old and is still OK.

U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:59:32 -0400, wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 22:49:29 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-07-09 6:29 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 09:48:19 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> I grew up with paper straws and wooden ice cream spoons, never saw
>>>> plastic til the 6o's. I never saw plastic ball point pens until the
>>>> late 50s
>>>
>>> Ball point pens were slow off the start and were very expensive in the
>>> 1950s. When I was in elementary school we had to learn to write with
>>> stick pens. Once we demonstrated mastery of that we could use fountain
>>> pens, and we used them right through high school. By the time I got to
>>> university Bic pens were cheap.
>>
>> Just the opposite in the US, we learned to write long hand with
>> fountain pens. When the first ballpoints arrived (Ballerina) they
>> were much less expensive than fountain pens. The least expensive
>> fountain pens then cost about $4, Esterbrook. The first ballpoints
>> cost about 25¢, however they were not yet perfected, they were very
>> messy as they leaked and their greasy ink took forever to dry.
>
> I loved having a fountain pen. I had no need for it for school but
> kept one anyway. I always filled it with peacock blue ink. I felt so
> 'smart'
> Janet US
>

Bet yoose can't guess what popeye filled his with!

On 7/10/2018 4:50 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> I loved having a fountain pen. I had no need for it for school but
> kept one anyway. I always filled it with peacock blue ink. I felt so
> 'smart'

Still a lot of us, around. Shelly is not the only fountain-pen
aficionado. I'm currently learning copperplate using dip pens.

I'm learning basic calligraphy cuz they stopped teaching kids in CA (my
GD's!) "cursive" which I learned in grade school! Weather, or not, I
can convince my GD's to learn SOME form of cursive remains to be seen. 8|

nb

On 7/10/2018 8:13 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 7/10/2018 4:50 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> I loved having a fountain pen.Â* I had no need for it for school but
>> kept one anyway.Â* I always filled it with peacock blue ink.Â* I felt so
>> 'smart'
>
> Still a lot of us, around.Â* Shelly is not the only fountain-pen
> aficionado.Â* I'm currently learning copperplate using dip pens.Â*
>
> I'm learning basic calligraphy cuz they stopped teaching kids in CA (my
> GD's!) "cursive" which I learned in grade school!Â* Weather, or not, I
> can convince my GD's to learn SOME form of cursive remains to be seen.Â* 8|
>
> nb
>
Copperplate? Sounds like you're teaching them to etch in metal with a
hot electric engraving tool.

Seriously, you don't have to learn calligraphy or use a fountain pen
(they are fun, though!) to teach your grandaughters to write in cursive.

Is there a reason given they've stopped teaching cursive? I'm guessing
it has something to do with computers, email and texting and oh, no need
for writing letters in a fancy hand anymore. Sad but true.

I do still send hand written letters or cards occasionally. But they
don't have to be perfect. Because of my mish-mash of schools my
penmanship evolved into a half cursive/half print. I'm not worried
about it being pretty. It's legible.

Jill

"jmcquown" wrote in message ...

On 7/10/2018 8:13 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 7/10/2018 4:50 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> I loved having a fountain pen. I had no need for it for school but
>> kept one anyway. I always filled it with peacock blue ink. I felt so
>> 'smart'
>
> Still a lot of us, around. Shelly is not the only fountain-pen
> aficionado. I'm currently learning copperplate using dip pens.
>
> I'm learning basic calligraphy cuz they stopped teaching kids in CA (my
> GD's!) "cursive" which I learned in grade school! Weather, or not, I can
> convince my GD's to learn SOME form of cursive remains to be seen. 8|
>
> nb
>
Copperplate? Sounds like you're teaching them to etch in metal with a
hot electric engraving tool.

Seriously, you don't have to learn calligraphy or use a fountain pen
(they are fun, though!) to teach your grandaughters to write in cursive.

Is there a reason given they've stopped teaching cursive? I'm guessing
it has something to do with computers, email and texting and oh, no need
for writing letters in a fancy hand anymore. Sad but true.

I do still send hand written letters or cards occasionally. But they
don't have to be perfect. Because of my mish-mash of schools my
penmanship evolved into a half cursive/half print. I'm not worried
about it being pretty. It's legible.

Jill

==

My handwriting is rubbish. Like yours half cursive/half print. In junior
school we started off with cursive and half way through changed to italics.

It certainly messed up my writing.

On 7/10/2018 6:54 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> On 7/10/2018 8:13 PM, notbob wrote:

> Copperplate?Â* Sounds like you're teaching them to etch in metal with a
> hot electric engraving tool.

Close, but no cigar!

It's also called "engrosser's script", but yes, it was a "script"
originated as a way to copy copperplate engraving. Eventually,
Copperplate evolved into Spencerian or ornamental writing, which later
evolved into Cursive. You are probably correct in yer speculation that
typewriters and computers killed handwriting.

>Because of my mish-mash of schools my
> penmanship evolved into a half cursive/half print.Â* I'm not worried
> about it being pretty.Â* It's legible.

Yes. I learned cursive in grade school, but later learned to put all my
notes in majuscule (upper-case) print. It's the way engineers typically
communicate. After about 18 mos of printing in minuscules (lower-case,
alarm room logs), my handwriting was jes atrocious. The other reason I
wanted to learn "ornamental copperplate". But, the "flourishes" are
killing me.

nb

On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 9:34:24 AM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
>
> Yes. I learned cursive in grade school, but later learned to put all my
> notes in majuscule (upper-case) print. It's the way engineers typically
> communicate. After about 18 mos of printing in minuscules (lower-case,
> alarm room logs), my handwriting was jes atrocious. The other reason I
> wanted to learn "ornamental copperplate". But, the "flourishes" are
> killing me.
>
> nb
>
>
Have you used the Palmer final t yet?

I'm thinking it was the Palmer method of cursive writing that was
taught when I was in school. Every lower case letter starts ON
the line.

On 7/11/2018 8:46 AM, wrote:

> Have you used the Palmer final t yet?

Not that I am aware of. What is it?

> I'm thinking it was the Palmer method of cursive writing that was
> taught when I was in school. Every lower case letter starts ON
> the line.

Sounds about right and looks like what I learned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer_Method

nb

On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 9:53:37 AM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
>
> On 7/11/2018 8:46 AM, wrote:
>
> > Have you used the Palmer final t yet?
>
> Not that I am aware of. What is it?
>
> > I'm thinking it was the Palmer method of cursive writing that was
> > taught when I was in school. Every lower case letter starts ON
> > the line.
>
> Sounds about right and looks like what I learned:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer_Method
>
> nb
>
>
From the link you provided I snagged this picture. Read the letter and
look at the word I've drawn a circle around. That ending t is a Palmer
final t.

https://s22.postimg.cc/i7sfb15ap/Palmer_Final_T.png

On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:50:12 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:59:32 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 22:49:29 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2018-07-09 6:29 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 09:48:19 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> I grew up with paper straws and wooden ice cream spoons, never saw
>>>> plastic til the 6o's. I never saw plastic ball point pens until the
>>>> late 50s
>>>
>>>Ball point pens were slow off the start and were very expensive in the
>>>1950s. When I was in elementary school we had to learn to write with
>>>stick pens. Once we demonstrated mastery of that we could use fountain
>>>pens, and we used them right through high school. By the time I got to
>>>university Bic pens were cheap.
>>
>>Just the opposite in the US, we learned to write long hand with
>>fountain pens. When the first ballpoints arrived (Ballerina) they
>>were much less expensive than fountain pens. The least expensive
>>fountain pens then cost about $4, Esterbrook. The first ballpoints
>>cost about 25¢, however they were not yet perfected, they were very
>>messy as they leaked and their greasy ink took forever to dry.
>
>I loved having a fountain pen. I had no need for it for school but
>kept one anyway. I always filled it with peacock blue ink. I felt so
>'smart'
>Janet US

Penmart collects fountain pens, I have hundreds. I like several inks,
I like Mont Blanc emerald green best.
http://www.montblanc.com/en-us/colle...tle-50-ml.html

On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 23:22:17 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 10-Jul-2018, U.S. Janet B. > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:59:32 -0400, wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 22:49:29 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 2018-07-09 6:29 PM, wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 09:48:19 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> >>>
>> >>> I grew up with paper straws and wooden ice cream spoons, never saw
>> >>> plastic til the 6o's. I never saw plastic ball point pens until the
>> >>> late 50s
>> >>
>> >>Ball point pens were slow off the start and were very expensive in the
>> >>1950s. When I was in elementary school we had to learn to write with
>> >>stick pens. Once we demonstrated mastery of that we could use fountain
>> >>pens, and we used them right through high school. By the time I got to
>> >>university Bic pens were cheap.
>> >
>> >Just the opposite in the US, we learned to write long hand with
>> >fountain pens. When the first ballpoints arrived (Ballerina) they
>> >were much less expensive than fountain pens. The least expensive
>> >fountain pens then cost about $4, Esterbrook. The first ballpoints
>> >cost about 25¢, however they were not yet perfected, they were very
>> >messy as they leaked and their greasy ink took forever to dry.
>>
>> I loved having a fountain pen. I had no need for it for school but
>> kept one anyway. I always filled it with peacock blue ink. I felt so
>> 'smart'
>Sheaffer Peacock Blue is my favorite ink;; when Sheaffer moved production to
>Slovenia and changed the formula and well bottle, I bought a lifetime supply
>of the old stock. Peackock, Noodler's Legal Lapis (permanent on paper, good
>for check writing) and Waterman's Florida Blue are the only inks I use; but
>Peacock is my favorite among them.

and my desk drawer has the ink stains to show for it )
Janet US

On 2018-07-10 7:45 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 23:22:17 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>>> I loved having a fountain pen. I had no need for it for school but
>>> kept one anyway. I always filled it with peacock blue ink. I felt so
>>> 'smart'
>> Sheaffer Peacock Blue is my favorite ink;; when Sheaffer moved production to
>> Slovenia and changed the formula and well bottle, I bought a lifetime supply
>> of the old stock. Peackock, Noodler's Legal Lapis (permanent on paper, good
>> for check writing) and Waterman's Florida Blue are the only inks I use; but
>> Peacock is my favorite among them.
>
> and my desk drawer has the ink stains to show for it )

I was just thinking about the stereotypical nerd wear of the 40s and
early 70s.... the pocket protector.

On 7/10/2018 7:22 PM, l not -l wrote:

> Sheaffer Peacock Blue is my favorite ink;; when Sheaffer moved production to
> Slovenia and changed the formula and well bottle, I bought a lifetime supply
> of the old stock. Peackock, Noodler's Legal Lapis (permanent on paper, good
> for check writing) and Waterman's Florida Blue are the only inks I use; but
> Peacock is my favorite among them.
>

I like Peacock too. I have little reason to write any more though. I
still write an occasional letter to a friend, but mostly email. I sign
maybe a dozen checks off the printer in a year.