Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:01:38 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-07-23 2:29 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 13:02:41 -0400, Dave Smith
>>
>>>> I have a lot of sympathy for people who are wounded in combat, and I can
>>>> understand the impact of their traumatic injuries can have on their
>>>> ability to enjoy life. I think is is major insult to those brave souls
>>>> to ascribe the same condition to someone who was never exposed to those
>>>> horrors.
>>>>
>>> you must mean PCBT (post concussive brain trauma) Because PTSD is
>>> Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Because I know you don't mean to
>>> discount the trauma of someone who was caught in a fire, a horrific
>>> car accident, was raped or had similar life-changing circumstances.
>>
>>
>> No. I mean PTSD. Back in WWI it was called Shell Shock. They were the
>> guys who showed mental symptoms of the concussive forces but who did not
>> have the physical damage. There is no doubt that even those who were not
>> close enough to be injured by explosions would be terrified at the
>> helplessness of their situation.
>
> Closed head injuries, such as concussions, can, at times, show no
> overt changes on any scans/tests, but can present as other physical or
> personality/mental changes.
>
>> I don't mean to discount the trauma of someone caught in a fire, injured
>> in an explosion or raped. I provided a real life example of someone who
>> was in a support position at a base, who never saw combat, who was never
>> targetted by bullets of explosions, but who claims to have been
>> traumatized by seeing other people coming back dead or wounded. There
>> have also been cases of people claiming to have it because they were
>> sexually harassed in the workplace.
>
> You show no knowledge of PTSD. I have had to call you an asshole
> about that before, too. Are you so ignorant you can't Google the most
> minimal online-garnered information about it, or are you going to show
> your foolishness repeatedly?
>

PTSD is a psychological ailment, and can be serious, even psychotic.
It can result in complete disruption of one's life. Even suicide can result.

Brain damage is another (physical) injury. It can result in total
disability. Shaking, jerking, loss of motor control, blindness etc.
Again, a complete disruption and destruction of one's life.

They are different. Both can be horribly devastating.

l not -l wrote:
> On 23-Jul-2018, U.S. Janet B. > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 21:27:21 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 23-Jul-2018, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 8:29:29 AM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> you must mean PCBT (post concussive brain trauma) Because PTSD is
>>>>> Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Because I know you don't mean to
>>>>> discount the trauma of someone who was caught in a fire, a horrific
>>>>> car accident, was raped or had similar life-changing circumstances.
>>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>> Lots of people believe that PTSD is a lot of hooey. All I know is
>>>> something
>>>> serious is causing war vets to kill themselves or feel that they are no
>>>> longer fit to live among other people and choose to live up in the
>>>> hills
>>>> of
>>>> Honolulu. The only consideration that a lot of these poor souls get is
>>>> disdain from non-believers.
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> I think that only those who have never been in that situation tend to
>>>> poo
>>>> poo it!!
>>>>
>>>> They really ought to try it out for them selves !!!
>>>>
>>>> ((
>>> Sometimes, those who serve also poo poo it. I was one of those. I was a
>>> combat medic in Vietnam and have been attending reunions with a number of
>>> the men I served with, about a dozen reunions over the past 15 years.
>>> Most
>>> of the others that attend have been diagnosed with some level of PTSD and
>>> are receiving, or have received, treatment for it. I served right along
>>> side these guys and have none of the symptoms of PTSD; I thought they
>>> were
>>> taking advantage of the VA and getting varying levels of disability
>>> payments
>>> unwarranted. Then, one of them wrote a book and recounted many events in
>>> which we were side by side and he outlined how those events effected him
>>> and
>>> I realized the same event from different perspectives can be traumatizing
>>> or
>>> not. Many conversations with these guy later, I came to understand that,
>>> though we were side by side, our wars, and our personalities, were often
>>> quite different. In fact, those personality differences may account for
>>> why
>>> the Army made them infantrymen and made me a corpsman; we saw situations
>>> differently and were effected in different ways. Neither perspective was
>>> right or wrong, merely different, with differing impacts.
>>>
>>> If anyone is interested in one of those perspectives on PTSD, read A
>>> Never-Ending Battle: A Soldier's Ongoing Struggle With Combat PTSD by
>>> Sgt.
>>> Howard B. Patrick The Kindle version is available at no charge on
>>> Amazon.
>>
>> Only available with Kindle Unlimited for $0.0
> Ooops, I guess that is something special! Sorry, I'm not an Amazonian so
> don't know the difference between there various buzzwords. I was basing my
> price info on a message Howard sent a while back saying it was a free
> download. I guess he assumed everyone was more committed to Amazon than I
> am.
>
> I haven't bought anything from Amazon in the past few years. Whenever I
> shop for things, I always find the items I want are lower priced at
> Walmart.com or on eBay.
>

Yep, amazon is often higher priced for many things. Only occasionally do
I buy from them.

BTW, I was also a medic during vietnam. I don't have PTSD, but had some
patients that were obviously badly affected. It's real.

I can still vividly remember some of them after all these years.

wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 10:21:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 1:06:35 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2018-07-23 12:15 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>>
>>>>> We didn't special order our bedroom set but as soon as we spotted that
>>>>> padded headbord we simultaneously said that's what we need. My wife
>>>>> has a special utilitarian lamp because she also knits in bed. Neither
>>>>> of us reads in bed, the bathroom is our library.
>>>>
>>>> My legs would go to sleep. I read a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>> There are a number of magazines who keep their articles short enough
>>> that people can finish them in a trip to the toilet.
>>
>> Isn't that what the Farmer's Almanac is for?
>> <https://www.almanac.com/>
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> My wife usually reads magazines, for the past few years she gets free
> books from the public library in CD format, those she listens to while
> driving.
> I do crosswords, that's my bathroom material. And even though they
> have web sites we both read mail order catalogues.
>

Lawsy Popeye! Yoose wife listens to books while driving? Old whore ain't
even thinking about the road?

Yoose should get yoose ole wimmens to pay some contenshun to da road,
stead of barreling down da hiway tinking of nothing but the sex novel.

Yoose may have to import some mo (smarter) mestizos from honduras.

On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:38:29 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>l not -l wrote:
>> On 23-Jul-2018, U.S. Janet B. > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 21:27:21 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23-Jul-2018, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 8:29:29 AM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> you must mean PCBT (post concussive brain trauma) Because PTSD is
>>>>>> Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Because I know you don't mean to
>>>>>> discount the trauma of someone who was caught in a fire, a horrific
>>>>>> car accident, was raped or had similar life-changing circumstances.
>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>
>>>>> Lots of people believe that PTSD is a lot of hooey. All I know is
>>>>> something
>>>>> serious is causing war vets to kill themselves or feel that they are no
>>>>> longer fit to live among other people and choose to live up in the
>>>>> hills
>>>>> of
>>>>> Honolulu. The only consideration that a lot of these poor souls get is
>>>>> disdain from non-believers.
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that only those who have never been in that situation tend to
>>>>> poo
>>>>> poo it!!
>>>>>
>>>>> They really ought to try it out for them selves !!!
>>>>>
>>>>> ((
>>>> Sometimes, those who serve also poo poo it. I was one of those. I was a
>>>> combat medic in Vietnam and have been attending reunions with a number of
>>>> the men I served with, about a dozen reunions over the past 15 years.
>>>> Most
>>>> of the others that attend have been diagnosed with some level of PTSD and
>>>> are receiving, or have received, treatment for it. I served right along
>>>> side these guys and have none of the symptoms of PTSD; I thought they
>>>> were
>>>> taking advantage of the VA and getting varying levels of disability
>>>> payments
>>>> unwarranted. Then, one of them wrote a book and recounted many events in
>>>> which we were side by side and he outlined how those events effected him
>>>> and
>>>> I realized the same event from different perspectives can be traumatizing
>>>> or
>>>> not. Many conversations with these guy later, I came to understand that,
>>>> though we were side by side, our wars, and our personalities, were often
>>>> quite different. In fact, those personality differences may account for
>>>> why
>>>> the Army made them infantrymen and made me a corpsman; we saw situations
>>>> differently and were effected in different ways. Neither perspective was
>>>> right or wrong, merely different, with differing impacts.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone is interested in one of those perspectives on PTSD, read A
>>>> Never-Ending Battle: A Soldier's Ongoing Struggle With Combat PTSD by
>>>> Sgt.
>>>> Howard B. Patrick The Kindle version is available at no charge on
>>>> Amazon.
>>>
>>> Only available with Kindle Unlimited for $0.0
>> Ooops, I guess that is something special! Sorry, I'm not an Amazonian so
>> don't know the difference between there various buzzwords. I was basing my
>> price info on a message Howard sent a while back saying it was a free
>> download. I guess he assumed everyone was more committed to Amazon than I
>> am.
>>
>> I haven't bought anything from Amazon in the past few years. Whenever I
>> shop for things, I always find the items I want are lower priced at
>> Walmart.com or on eBay.
>>
>
>Yep, amazon is often higher priced for many things. Only occasionally do
>I buy from them.
>
>BTW, I was also a medic during vietnam. I don't have PTSD, but had some
>patients that were obviously badly affected. It's real.
>
>I can still vividly remember some of them after all these years.

I can still remember as a child waking in the night hearing my father
shouting when he was home on leave after his ship was blown up. He
felt badly that he survived - aged 30 - when much younger men died.

Druce wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 13:33:10 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
>> On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 2:13:24 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You know, your use of ALL CAPS makes me think you're a
>>>> sock puppet for Donald Trump.
>>>
>>> Nah....John's just a nutcase. A friendly one but still a weirdo.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you Gary! YES I AM A WEIRDO!! I embrace that label when after being called a weirdo often I decided to look up the word in Webster's Best, and it said something like "different, not of the norm, ..." but NOTHING NEGATIVE!! And I said to myself, yep, that's me!
>
> Did it say anything about capitals?
>

Capitals are OK, if used with dozens of exclamation points.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've never gotten worked up about capital letters. Some early teletype
terminals had only capital letters, but that was way before yoose
youngsters had lower case and decided that CAPITALS = SHOUTING.

Gary wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>> Do you know WHY there's a CAPS LOCK key on keyboards? I do. Computer Engineering SECRET!! ;-)
>
> Take your meds, John.
>

I think he IS a computer engineer.

He would know about CAPS LOCK KEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Mon 23 Jul 2018 03:17:13a, Cindy Hamilton told us...
>
>> On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 9:15:23 PM UTC-4, Wayne Boatwright
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun 22 Jul 2018 01:21:45p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>>>
>>>> On 7/22/2018 4:07 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 11:59:53 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> >,
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 6:36:44 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>> >,
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>> wrote: ...
>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't look like a place to relax and study
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh yes! Every tenants room locks and quiet time upon
>>>>>>>>> request!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not enough
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Students need their own desk, chair and bookcase in their
>>>>>>>> room so they
>>>>>>>> can study in peace.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check, check, check! FURNISHED!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the letting rooms in your pictures, the only furniture
>>>>>> visible is a
>>>>>> cheap bed with no headboard. No bedside table, no desk, no
>>>>>> chair, no bookcase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Janet
>>>>>
>>>>> Headboards are overrated. My bed doesn't have one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We did for years but the original was for a full sized bed.
>>>> Never got around to getting one for the king size and don't
>>>> miss it. We have adjustable beds and love them. There were
>>>> times my wife had to stay in bed and it was never comfortable
>>>> reading or watching TV. Got the adjustable twin XL side by
>>>> side and they are as comfortable as sitting in a recliner.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Headboards may be overrated for function, and I admit that I
>>> never sit up in bed leaing against the headboard. However,
>>> unless a decorative wall treatment functions in place of a
>>> headboard, the bed looks incomplete.
>>
>> I rarely have my glasses on when I'm in the bedroom. I don't care
>> if the bed looks incomplete. The frame came free with the
>> mattress and foundation.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
> Obviously some people just plain don't care. I have to say that
> there is not a single room in my home, including bathrooms, mudroom,
> and utility room that are not fully and appropriately decorated. It
> makes a huge difference to me and guests in my home appreciate and
> enjoy it.
>
> Mind you, I'm not suggesting that everyone should do what I do, but
> the homes of my immediate friends and out-of-town family have fully
> decorated homes.
>
> I have no problem with anyone choosing not to do even a modicum of
> decoration, but I personally would find it strange.
>
> No criticism here, CIndy, just an opinion.
>

No offense, but exactly what the hell is a mud room? I was raised in the
south too, but we never had a special room just to take off muddy boots.

We just kept a few sticks on the porch to scrape the mud from our boots
so we didn't track it into the house. My mother would get pretty ****ed
if we tracked mud into the house.

On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 7:24:11 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
....
> No offense, but exactly what the hell is a mud room? I was raised in the
> south too, but we never had a special room just to take off muddy boots.

Ever do yard work?


> We just kept a few sticks on the porch to scrape the mud from our boots
> so we didn't track it into the house. My mother would get pretty ****ed
> if we tracked mud into the house.

Katactly! Many mud rooms have a sink and towels, changes of socks, etc.

I use my screen room of the kitchen in back as basically the same thing. Sink is in the basement next to the washer and dryer.

John Kuthe...

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 21 Jul 2018 05:10:05p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>
>> On 7/21/2018 7:36 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article
>>> >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-5,
>>>> wrote: ...
>>>>> Doesn't look like a place to relax and study
>>>>
>>>> Oh yes! Every tenants room locks and quiet time upon request!
>>>
>>> Not enough
>>>
>>> Students need their own desk, chair and bookcase in their room
>>> so they
>>> can study in peace.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> Nah, my two siblings and I had no desk and we managed. May be
>> nice at times and I'm sure they can get their own if they want it.
>>
>
> As an only child I was fortunate to have a very complete bedroom,
> icluding an antique brass bed, night stands, loung chair with
> ottoman, dreser, chest of drawers, desk, and television. I would
> imagine that few kids that all those thngs, especially if there were
> siblings that were expeced to share.
>

Yes, some children are expected to share due to poverty.

But not all children are selfish. Some people will generously share,
even if not forced.

It is just their nature, same as the selfish ones.

"Hank Rogers" > wrote in message
news
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Mon 23 Jul 2018 03:17:13a, Cindy Hamilton told us...
>>
>>> On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 9:15:23 PM UTC-4, Wayne Boatwright
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sun 22 Jul 2018 01:21:45p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/22/2018 4:07 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 11:59:53 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> >,
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 6:36:44 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>> >,
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>>> wrote: ...
>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't look like a place to relax and study
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh yes! Every tenants room locks and quiet time upon
>>>>>>>>>> request!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not enough
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Students need their own desk, chair and bookcase in their
>>>>>>>>> room so they
>>>>>>>>> can study in peace.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Check, check, check! FURNISHED!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the letting rooms in your pictures, the only furniture
>>>>>>> visible is a
>>>>>>> cheap bed with no headboard. No bedside table, no desk, no
>>>>>>> chair, no bookcase.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Janet
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Headboards are overrated. My bed doesn't have one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We did for years but the original was for a full sized bed.
>>>>> Never got around to getting one for the king size and don't
>>>>> miss it. We have adjustable beds and love them. There were
>>>>> times my wife had to stay in bed and it was never comfortable
>>>>> reading or watching TV. Got the adjustable twin XL side by
>>>>> side and they are as comfortable as sitting in a recliner.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Headboards may be overrated for function, and I admit that I
>>>> never sit up in bed leaing against the headboard. However,
>>>> unless a decorative wall treatment functions in place of a
>>>> headboard, the bed looks incomplete.
>>>
>>> I rarely have my glasses on when I'm in the bedroom. I don't care
>>> if the bed looks incomplete. The frame came free with the
>>> mattress and foundation.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>> Obviously some people just plain don't care. I have to say that
>> there is not a single room in my home, including bathrooms, mudroom,
>> and utility room that are not fully and appropriately decorated. It
>> makes a huge difference to me and guests in my home appreciate and
>> enjoy it.
>>
>> Mind you, I'm not suggesting that everyone should do what I do, but
>> the homes of my immediate friends and out-of-town family have fully
>> decorated homes.
>>
>> I have no problem with anyone choosing not to do even a modicum of
>> decoration, but I personally would find it strange.
>>
>> No criticism here, CIndy, just an opinion.
>>
>
> No offense, but exactly what the hell is a mud room? I was raised in the
> south too, but we never had a special room just to take off muddy boots.
>
> We just kept a few sticks on the porch to scrape the mud from our boots so
> we didn't track it into the house. My mother would get pretty ****ed if we
> tracked mud into the house.

Lots of people on farms etc. around here have "mud rooms" coming in from the
outside at the back of the house, usually with a shower after removing dirty
clothes and shoes.

Cheri

On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 7:31:58 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
....
>
> Yes, some children are expected to share due to poverty.
>
> But not all children are selfish. Some people will generously share,
> even if not forced.
>
> It is just their nature, same as the selfish ones.

The responsible adult will guide the learning child in the correct direction. I know I did with my son!

John Kuthe...

On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:05:39 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-07-23 3:27 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:01:38 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>
>>> I don't mean to discount the trauma of someone caught in a fire, injured
>>> in an explosion or raped. I provided a real life example of someone who
>>> was in a support position at a base, who never saw combat, who was never
>>> targetted by bullets of explosions, but who claims to have been
>>> traumatized by seeing other people coming back dead or wounded. There
>>> have also been cases of people claiming to have it because they were
>>> sexually harassed in the workplace.
>>
>> Maybe I read more into your comment than you meant. PTSD is real. I
>> understand your meaning regarding military who have suffered and I
>> don't mean to minimize their service or sacrifice. However there are
>> many people who suffer the very real symptoms who have not served.
>
>Some people just aren't very good at coping. We have a syndrome that
>was recognized as a result of the trauma suffered by soldiers in combat
>that is now being applied in cases of people who just can't cope.
>
snip

You are not privy to everything that goes on with someone who has PTSD
and for you to make judgments is pretty awful. People with
disabilities often are ashamed and hide what goes on with them and
seek to trivialize their misery. Doctors don't give out PTSD like
lollies to every patient who walks through the door.

On 2018-07-23 10:24 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:05:39 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>
> You are not privy to everything that goes on with someone who has PTSD
> and for you to make judgments is pretty awful. People with
> disabilities often are ashamed and hide what goes on with them and
> seek to trivialize their misery. Doctors don't give out PTSD like
> lollies to every patient who walks through the door.
>

And there aren't doctors who will prescribe medical marijuana for every
patient who walks through the door.

The RFC thread that would not die!

;-)

John Kuthe...

Cheri wrote:
> "Hank Rogers" > wrote in message
> news
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Mon 23 Jul 2018 03:17:13a, Cindy Hamilton told us...
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 9:15:23 PM UTC-4, Wayne Boatwright
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun 22 Jul 2018 01:21:45p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/22/2018 4:07 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 11:59:53 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>> >,
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 6:36:44 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>> >,
>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't look like a place to relax and study
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yes! Every tenants room locks and quiet time upon
>>>>>>>>>>> request!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not enough
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Students need their own desk, chair and bookcase in their
>>>>>>>>>> room so they
>>>>>>>>>> can study in peace.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Check, check, check! FURNISHED!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the letting rooms in your pictures, the only furniture
>>>>>>>> visible is a
>>>>>>>> cheap bed with no headboard. No bedside table, no desk, no
>>>>>>>> chair, no bookcase.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Janet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Headboards are overrated. My bed doesn't have one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We did for years but the original was for a full sized bed.
>>>>>> Never got around to getting one for the king size and don't
>>>>>> miss it. We have adjustable beds and love them. There were
>>>>>> times my wife had to stay in bed and it was never comfortable
>>>>>> reading or watching TV. Got the adjustable twin XL side by
>>>>>> side and they are as comfortable as sitting in a recliner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Headboards may be overrated for function, and I admit that I
>>>>> never sit up in bed leaing against the headboard. However,
>>>>> unless a decorative wall treatment functions in place of a
>>>>> headboard, the bed looks incomplete.
>>>>
>>>> I rarely have my glasses on when I'm in the bedroom. I don't care
>>>> if the bed looks incomplete. The frame came free with the
>>>> mattress and foundation.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously some people just plain don't care. I have to say that
>>> there is not a single room in my home, including bathrooms, mudroom,
>>> and utility room that are not fully and appropriately decorated. It
>>> makes a huge difference to me and guests in my home appreciate and
>>> enjoy it.
>>>
>>> Mind you, I'm not suggesting that everyone should do what I do, but
>>> the homes of my immediate friends and out-of-town family have fully
>>> decorated homes.
>>>
>>> I have no problem with anyone choosing not to do even a modicum of
>>> decoration, but I personally would find it strange.
>>>
>>> No criticism here, CIndy, just an opinion.
>>>
>>
>> No offense, but exactly what the hell is a mud room? I was raised in
>> the south too, but we never had a special room just to take off muddy
>> boots.
>>
>> We just kept a few sticks on the porch to scrape the mud from our
>> boots so we didn't track it into the house. My mother would get pretty
>> ****ed if we tracked mud into the house.
>
> Lots of people on farms etc. around here have "mud rooms" coming in from
> the outside at the back of the house, usually with a shower after
> removing dirty clothes and shoes.
>
> Cheri

Oh, thanks. I guess it makes sense. We were never affluent enough to
have a mud room. We just used the porch.

On 2018-07-23 3:44 PM, l not -l wrote:

>>
>> Maybe I read more into your comment than you meant. PTSD is real. I
>> understand your meaning regarding military who have suffered and I
>> don't mean to minimize their service or sacrifice. However there are
>> many people who suffer the very real symptoms who have not served.
> Trauma comes from many things, war being a more obvious, and seemingly
> ever-present, one. Exposure to any number of horrific things by all manner
> of people can be traumatizing - house buying is unlikely to be one of them.
> I think people like John trivialize a devastating condition.
>
That sums it up perfectly!

On 2018-07-23 1:49 PM, l not -l wrote:
> On 23-Jul-2018, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-07-23 11:22 AM, l not -l wrote:
>>> On 23-Jul-2018, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 5:28:39 AM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't you once have a B&B? Did you come out of that experience with
>>>>> PTSD by any chance?
>>>>
>>>> Bed and Breakfast? Why? So I can spend a bunch of CASH to **** all over
>>>> someone *else's* fancy as **** domicile and NOT clean up my own messes?
>>>>
>>>> **** THAT!
>>>
>>> Why are you such an angry person? Perhaps spending time meditating
>>> rather
>>> than using RFC will improve your state of mind.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And yes I'd say I have shades of PTSD from all the crap I went though
>>>> in
>>>> 2017 to get this place as fixed up and to pass Occupancy Permit
>>>> Inspection.
>>>
>>> As a "medical professional" you should have a better grasp of PTSD.
>>> What
>>> you have gone through with your house is nothing. Try spending a few
>>> hours
>>> to learn about PTSD from a veteran or first responder. You don't have
>>> PTSD,
>>> you have Can't Cope Sorry for Myself Syndrome
>>>
>>
>> Careful there. You don't dare question anyone claiming to have PTSD.
>> The term evolved from the shell shock experienced by soldiers who had
>> been subjected to concussive forces from artillery bombardment and has
>> evolved into a label for anyone who has had trouble coping with their
>> environment. We get soldiers who have have lost multiple limbs from
>> IEDs who are obviously suffering from their experience, and then there
>> are people like a soldier I read about who is claiming PTSD resulting
>> from his experiences in Afghanistan. He served in a support position
>> in a heavily fortified compound that was never attacked, but the cause
>> of his trauma was seeing other soldiers going out on patrol and coming
>> back wounded or dead.
>>
>> I have a lot of sympathy for people who are wounded in combat, and I can
>> understand the impact of their traumatic injuries can have on their
>> ability to enjoy life. I think is is major insult to those brave souls
>> to ascribe the same condition to someone who was never exposed to those
>> horrors.
> Have you ever served in a "combat area", in actual combat or as a REMF? I
> was a combat medic and though their exposure was different than mine, many
> REMFs saw hoffifying things that could deeply efffect them psycologically.
> As best I can tell, a year in combat as a medic did not cause me to have
> PTSD; but, I have friends who do have it. Some were medics in evac
> hospitals, I do not question the effect on them. Not all people are
> equipped to handle horrifying things in the same way. A company clerk who
> wrote up orders for Purple Hearts, some postumously, could be effected by
> the daily barrage of medal orders describing all manner of terrible things
> that others directly experienced. Or daily packaging and shipping personal
> effects can scar someone who never came under direct fire. I may deride
> REMFs in general; but, I can also sympathize with those who had difficulty
> coping with what they were exposed to.
>
> Regardless, nothing Kuthe experienced in buying and remedying his home could
> remotely qualify as inducing PTSD.
>
I have a friend who was a Canadian UN medic in Bosnia and then posted to
Ruwanda. She has severe PTSD and any confrontation with someone of
African heritage or the smell of someone who has poor hygiene can set
off a panic attack. Those and other effects have rendered her unemployable.

On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 22:41:18 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-07-23 10:24 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:05:39 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>
>>
>> You are not privy to everything that goes on with someone who has PTSD
>> and for you to make judgments is pretty awful. People with
>> disabilities often are ashamed and hide what goes on with them and
>> seek to trivialize their misery. Doctors don't give out PTSD like
>> lollies to every patient who walks through the door.
>>
>
>And there aren't doctors who will prescribe medical marijuana for every
>patient who walks through the door.

??? Non sequitur? Or did you want a script for marijuana and couldn't
get one?

On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 21:28:57 -0600, graham > wrote:
snip
>>
>I have a friend who was a Canadian UN medic in Bosnia and then posted to
>Ruwanda. She has severe PTSD and any confrontation with someone of
>African heritage or the smell of someone who has poor hygiene can set
>off a panic attack. Those and other effects have rendered her unemployable.

How awful for her. I hope someday she is able to find some measure of
relief.

On 2018-07-23 9:46 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 21:28:57 -0600, graham > wrote:
> snip
>>>
>> I have a friend who was a Canadian UN medic in Bosnia and then posted to
>> Ruwanda. She has severe PTSD and any confrontation with someone of
>> African heritage or the smell of someone who has poor hygiene can set
>> off a panic attack. Those and other effects have rendered her unemployable.
>
> How awful for her. I hope someday she is able to find some measure of
> relief.
>
From what she has told me, it seems that the psych profession hasn't
any idea how to treat these sufferers.

"Hank Rogers" > wrote in message
news
> Cheri wrote:

>> Lots of people on farms etc. around here have "mud rooms" coming in from
>> the outside at the back of the house, usually with a shower after
>> removing dirty clothes and shoes.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Oh, thanks. I guess it makes sense. We were never affluent enough to have
> a mud room. We just used the porch.

Where I am, there are a whole lot of grapes as in wineries, and orchards
with lots of dirty work. I have friends that have them, but certainly not
me, they have nice houses, I have a small average house...no mud room, I
feel lucky to have a laundry room.

Cheri

In article >, Cheri >
wrote:

> Where I am, there are a whole lot of grapes as in wineries, and orchards
> with lots of dirty work. I have friends that have them, but certainly not
> me, they have nice houses, I have a small average house...no mud room, I
> feel lucky to have a laundry room.

Start by growing a few bushes of fine grapes in your yard, foot
stomping them, fermenting and bottling them yourself. Then roll back
your own age and the fresh wine to forty years ago. Today, submit your
aged wine to some international wine snobbery with the label of "Cheri"
with one of those backwords apostrophes over the "i". Become renowned
and get a mudroom. Easy peasy.

leo

On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 22:58:59 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >, Cheri >
>wrote:
>
>> Where I am, there are a whole lot of grapes as in wineries, and orchards
>> with lots of dirty work. I have friends that have them, but certainly not
>> me, they have nice houses, I have a small average house...no mud room, I
>> feel lucky to have a laundry room.
>
>Start by growing a few bushes of fine grapes in your yard, foot
>stomping them, fermenting and bottling them yourself. Then roll back
>your own age and the fresh wine to forty years ago. Today, submit your
>aged wine to some international wine snobbery with the label of "Cheri"
>with one of those backwords apostrophes over the "i". Become renowned
>and get a mudroom. Easy peasy.

Not on the "i", but on the "e". It's French. You know, one of those
languages that people speak to **** off Americans.

On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 6:11:43 PM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> From what she has told me, it seems that the psych profession hasn't
> any idea how to treat these sufferers.

What some people are doing is treating PTSD with beta blockers. They have been doing this for years and they do seem to help. Treatment of PTDS with these drugs has not been recognized by the medical profession. Perhaps someday it will. That's all I know about that.

On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 4:54:48 PM UTC-4, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Mon 23 Jul 2018 03:17:13a, Cindy Hamilton told us...
>
> > On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 9:15:23 PM UTC-4, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
> >> On Sun 22 Jul 2018 01:21:45p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
> >>
> >> > On 7/22/2018 4:07 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 11:59:53 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> >> >>> In article
> >> >>> >,
> >> >>> says...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 6:36:44 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> >> >>>>> In article
> >> >>>>> >,
> >> >>>>> says...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-5,
> >> >>>>>> wrote: ...
> >> >>>>>>> Doesn't look like a place to relax and study
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Oh yes! Every tenants room locks and quiet time upon
> >> >>>>>> request!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Not enough
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Students need their own desk, chair and bookcase in their
> >> >>>>> room so they
> >> >>>>> can study in peace.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Janet UK
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Check, check, check! FURNISHED!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In the letting rooms in your pictures, the only furniture
> >> >>> visible is a
> >> >>> cheap bed with no headboard. No bedside table, no desk, no
> >> >>> chair, no bookcase.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Janet UK
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Janet
> >> >>
> >> >> Headboards are overrated. My bed doesn't have one.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > We did for years but the original was for a full sized bed.
> >> > Never got around to getting one for the king size and don't
> >> > miss it. We have adjustable beds and love them. There were
> >> > times my wife had to stay in bed and it was never comfortable
> >> > reading or watching TV. Got the adjustable twin XL side by
> >> > side and they are as comfortable as sitting in a recliner.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Headboards may be overrated for function, and I admit that I
> >> never sit up in bed leaing against the headboard. However,
> >> unless a decorative wall treatment functions in place of a
> >> headboard, the bed looks incomplete.
> >
> > I rarely have my glasses on when I'm in the bedroom. I don't care
> > if the bed looks incomplete. The frame came free with the
> > mattress and foundation.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
>
> Obviously some people just plain don't care. I have to say that
> there is not a single room in my home, including bathrooms, mudroom,
> and utility room that are not fully and appropriately decorated. It
> makes a huge difference to me and guests in my home appreciate and
> enjoy it.
>
> Mind you, I'm not suggesting that everyone should do what I do, but
> the homes of my immediate friends and out-of-town family have fully
> decorated homes.
>
> I have no problem with anyone choosing not to do even a modicum of
> decoration, but I personally would find it strange.
>
> No criticism here, CIndy, just an opinion.

Fair enough. There's no universal aesthetic. I lean toward simplicity;
if I won the lottery I'd fill my house with reproduction Arts and Crafts
furniture. Meantime, I scrape by on the odds and ends I've accumulated
over the years, because I just don't care enough.

I vanishingly rarely have guests. Shoot, I only make my bed when I
change the sheets. I just have better things to do.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 03:16:14 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 4:54:48 PM UTC-4, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>> Obviously some people just plain don't care. I have to say that
>> there is not a single room in my home, including bathrooms, mudroom,
>> and utility room that are not fully and appropriately decorated. It
>> makes a huge difference to me and guests in my home appreciate and
>> enjoy it.
>>
>> Mind you, I'm not suggesting that everyone should do what I do, but
>> the homes of my immediate friends and out-of-town family have fully
>> decorated homes.
>>
>> I have no problem with anyone choosing not to do even a modicum of
>> decoration, but I personally would find it strange.
>>
>> No criticism here, CIndy, just an opinion.
>
>Fair enough. There's no universal aesthetic. I lean toward simplicity;
>if I won the lottery I'd fill my house with reproduction Arts and Crafts
>furniture. Meantime, I scrape by on the odds and ends I've accumulated
>over the years, because I just don't care enough.
>
>I vanishingly rarely have guests. Shoot, I only make my bed when I
>change the sheets. I just have better things to do.

It's refreshingly unpompous, which is why Wayne doesn't get it.

In article 23>,
says...
>
> On Sun 22 Jul 2018 10:45:36a, John Kuthe told us...
>
> > On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 10:59:53 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> > ...
> >> In the letting rooms in your pictures, the only furniture
> >> visible is a
> >> cheap bed with no headboard. No bedside table, no desk, no
> >> chair, no bookcase.
> >>
> >> Janet UK
> >>
> >> Janet
> >
> >
> > Do you believe everything you see on the Internet? ;-) FOOLISH!!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
> >
> >
>
> Well, you're the one who poseted the damned pictures.

What he posted is the opposite of what he meant to post.
Kuthe is where Trump gets his ideas from.

Janet UK

On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 22:41:18 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-07-23 10:24 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:05:39 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>
>>
>> You are not privy to everything that goes on with someone who has PTSD
>> and for you to make judgments is pretty awful. People with
>> disabilities often are ashamed and hide what goes on with them and
>> seek to trivialize their misery. Doctors don't give out PTSD like
>> lollies to every patient who walks through the door.
>>
>
>And there aren't doctors who will prescribe medical marijuana for every
>patient who walks through the door.

What's that got to do with anything?

On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 11:51:11 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article 23>,
says...
>>
>> On Sun 22 Jul 2018 10:45:36a, John Kuthe told us...
>>
>> > Do you believe everything you see on the Internet? ;-) FOOLISH!!
>> >
>> > John Kuthe...
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Well, you're the one who poseted the damned pictures.
>
> What he posted is the opposite of what he meant to post.
> Kuthe is where Trump gets his ideas from.

Wrong. There are other people in this newsgroup where Trump gets his
idea from. Not Kuthe at all.

"Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Cheri >
> wrote:
>
>> Where I am, there are a whole lot of grapes as in wineries, and orchards
>> with lots of dirty work. I have friends that have them, but certainly not
>> me, they have nice houses, I have a small average house...no mud room, I
>> feel lucky to have a laundry room.
>
> Start by growing a few bushes of fine grapes in your yard, foot
> stomping them, fermenting and bottling them yourself. Then roll back
> your own age and the fresh wine to forty years ago. Today, submit your
> aged wine to some international wine snobbery with the label of "Cheri"
> with one of those backwords apostrophes over the "i". Become renowned
> and get a mudroom. Easy peasy.
>
> leo


LOL

On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 1:52:12 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 6:11:43 PM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> > From what she has told me, it seems that the psych profession hasn't
> > any idea how to treat these sufferers.
>
> What some people are doing is treating PTSD with beta blockers. They have been doing this for years and they do seem to help. Treatment of PTDS with these drugs has not been recognized by the medical profession. Perhaps someday it will. That's all I know about that.

Beta Blockers? "Seem to help"? BLAH!! :-(

Cannabis seems to help too, but IT'S STILL ILLEGAL!! :-(

John Kuthe...

On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 5:51:17 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> In article 23>,
> says...
> >
> > On Sun 22 Jul 2018 10:45:36a, John Kuthe told us...
> >
> > > On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 10:59:53 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> > > ...
> > >> In the letting rooms in your pictures, the only furniture
> > >> visible is a
> > >> cheap bed with no headboard. No bedside table, no desk, no
> > >> chair, no bookcase.
> > >>
> > >> Janet UK
> > >>
> > >> Janet
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you believe everything you see on the Internet? ;-) FOOLISH!!
> > >
> > > John Kuthe...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Well, you're the one who poseted the damned pictures.
>
> What he posted is the opposite of what he meant to post.
> Kuthe is where Trump gets his ideas from.
>
> Janet UK

NO dumbshit!! I had my housemate who has an iPhone which takes pretty good pics take REPRESENTATIVE PICS of the bedrooms, most not even occupied. Just to show the nice new paint, windows, blinds etc.

John Kuthe...

On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:20:31 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:01:38 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-07-23 2:29 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 13:02:41 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>
>>>>> I have a lot of sympathy for people who are wounded in combat, and I can
>>>>> understand the impact of their traumatic injuries can have on their
>>>>> ability to enjoy life. I think is is major insult to those brave souls
>>>>> to ascribe the same condition to someone who was never exposed to those
>>>>> horrors.
>>>>>
>>>> you must mean PCBT (post concussive brain trauma) Because PTSD is
>>>> Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Because I know you don't mean to
>>>> discount the trauma of someone who was caught in a fire, a horrific
>>>> car accident, was raped or had similar life-changing circumstances.
>>>
>>>
>>> No. I mean PTSD. Back in WWI it was called Shell Shock. They were the
>>> guys who showed mental symptoms of the concussive forces but who did not
>>> have the physical damage. There is no doubt that even those who were not
>>> close enough to be injured by explosions would be terrified at the
>>> helplessness of their situation.
>>
>> Closed head injuries, such as concussions, can, at times, show no
>> overt changes on any scans/tests, but can present as other physical or
>> personality/mental changes.
>>
>>> I don't mean to discount the trauma of someone caught in a fire, injured
>>> in an explosion or raped. I provided a real life example of someone who
>>> was in a support position at a base, who never saw combat, who was never
>>> targetted by bullets of explosions, but who claims to have been
>>> traumatized by seeing other people coming back dead or wounded. There
>>> have also been cases of people claiming to have it because they were
>>> sexually harassed in the workplace.
>>
>> You show no knowledge of PTSD. I have had to call you an asshole
>> about that before, too. Are you so ignorant you can't Google the most
>> minimal online-garnered information about it, or are you going to show
>> your foolishness repeatedly?
>>
>
>PTSD is a psychological ailment, and can be serious, even psychotic.
>It can result in complete disruption of one's life. Even suicide can result.

Or worse.
>
>Brain damage is another (physical) injury. It can result in total
>disability. Shaking, jerking, loss of motor control, blindness etc.
>Again, a complete disruption and destruction of one's life.

>
>They are different. Both can be horribly devastating.

Indeed, but in WWI, exposure to repeated battlefield explosions and
noises had the potential to cause brain contusions with no outward
sign of physical injury and certainly no advanced medical testing
capabilities available to confirm or deny them. Such injuries can
cause, among other symptoms, personality changes.

Such physical injury and symptoms could also overlap with the
existence of PTSD, which, though unrecognized then in the more
sophisticated way we now understand it , certainly existed. So, though
the disorders are quite different, the presentations can, in some
cases, have similar appearance.

Our understandings of both disorders are greater now, although there
is still tremendous misunderstanding and suspicion about either among
the lay public.

On 2018-07-24 12:11 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-07-23 9:46 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 21:28:57 -0600, graham > wrote:
>> snip
>>>>
>>> I have a friend who was a Canadian UN medic in Bosnia and then posted to
>>> Ruwanda. She has severe PTSD and any confrontation with someone of
>>> African heritage or the smell of someone who has poor hygiene can set
>>> off a panic attack. Those and other effects have rendered her
>>> unemployable.
>>
>> How awful for her.Â* I hope someday she is able to find some measure of
>> relief.
>>
> From what she has told me, it seems that the psych profession hasn't
> any idea how to treat these sufferers.
>


Perhaps they should be looking at a connection between malaria
medications and the symptoms of PTSD. There is evidence that they can
cause damage to the brain that results in symptoms that mimic PTSD.

FIW, my son spend almost a year in Uganda and suffered negative effects.
They were so bad that he took it only every 10 days instead of weekly.
One time he goofed and took it three days later instead of 10 and he was
experiencing psychotic episodes so bad that he almost checked himself
into the hospital there. He says that he still has nightmares every night.

On 2018-07-24 12:54 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Mon 23 Jul 2018 03:05:39p, Dave Smith told us...
>
>
>
> Some people just can't cope and not for any obvious reason. I have a
> first cousin who was raised in a wonderful home. She and her brother
> had wonderful parents but they are as different as night and day. I
> can remember her as a small child apparently acting as though she was
> terrorized whereas her brother was as happy and unaffected as anyone
> could possibly be. To this day, my female cousin manages to hold
> down a job, but lives alone and has no friends or acquaintances. She
> was tested for autism and other related conditions but none of those
> conditions were her issues. We live far apart but I do talk to her
> on he phone and she seems perfectly normal. Face to face, however,
> she will barely open her mouth. She can't cope with anything beyond
> a very structured daily routine.
>

There are indeed major differences in the amount of stress that some
people can handle. I grew up at a time when most of the men in our
family and in our neighbourhood had served in the armed forces. One
friend's father had been captured in Hong Kong and spent the rest of the
war in a Japanese POW camp. Another friends was a Luftwaffe pilot whose
plane crashed and he suffered serious injuries. One of my uncles fought
all the way through Sicily and Italy, in combat almost every day for a
year and a half. My father flew 19 bombing operations before his plane
was shot down. He managed to bail out and was the sole survivor, then
walked across Denmark before meeting up with the Resistance and was
smuggled over to Sweden. Those guys had all been through hell and went
on to lead successful lives. Other people lose it because someone else
got wounded.

On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 22:21:30 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Hank Rogers" > wrote in message
>news
>> Cheri wrote:
>
>>> Lots of people on farms etc. around here have "mud rooms" coming in from
>>> the outside at the back of the house, usually with a shower after
>>> removing dirty clothes and shoes.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Oh, thanks. I guess it makes sense. We were never affluent enough to have
>> a mud room. We just used the porch.
>
>Where I am, there are a whole lot of grapes as in wineries, and orchards
>with lots of dirty work. I have friends that have them, but certainly not
>me, they have nice houses, I have a small average house...no mud room, I
>feel lucky to have a laundry room.
>
>Cheri

Isn't the general set-up that the laundry room and mud room are the
same room? With a small bathroom adjacent?

On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:59:16 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:20:31 -0500, Hank Rogers >
>wrote:
>
>>Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:01:38 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-07-23 2:29 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 13:02:41 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>
>>>>>> I have a lot of sympathy for people who are wounded in combat, and I can
>>>>>> understand the impact of their traumatic injuries can have on their
>>>>>> ability to enjoy life. I think is is major insult to those brave souls
>>>>>> to ascribe the same condition to someone who was never exposed to those
>>>>>> horrors.
>>>>>>
>>>>> you must mean PCBT (post concussive brain trauma) Because PTSD is
>>>>> Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Because I know you don't mean to
>>>>> discount the trauma of someone who was caught in a fire, a horrific
>>>>> car accident, was raped or had similar life-changing circumstances.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No. I mean PTSD. Back in WWI it was called Shell Shock. They were the
>>>> guys who showed mental symptoms of the concussive forces but who did not
>>>> have the physical damage. There is no doubt that even those who were not
>>>> close enough to be injured by explosions would be terrified at the
>>>> helplessness of their situation.
>>>
>>> Closed head injuries, such as concussions, can, at times, show no
>>> overt changes on any scans/tests, but can present as other physical or
>>> personality/mental changes.
>>>
>>>> I don't mean to discount the trauma of someone caught in a fire, injured
>>>> in an explosion or raped. I provided a real life example of someone who
>>>> was in a support position at a base, who never saw combat, who was never
>>>> targetted by bullets of explosions, but who claims to have been
>>>> traumatized by seeing other people coming back dead or wounded. There
>>>> have also been cases of people claiming to have it because they were
>>>> sexually harassed in the workplace.
>>>
>>> You show no knowledge of PTSD. I have had to call you an asshole
>>> about that before, too. Are you so ignorant you can't Google the most
>>> minimal online-garnered information about it, or are you going to show
>>> your foolishness repeatedly?
>>>
>>
>>PTSD is a psychological ailment, and can be serious, even psychotic.
>>It can result in complete disruption of one's life. Even suicide can result.
>
>Or worse.
>>
>>Brain damage is another (physical) injury. It can result in total
>>disability. Shaking, jerking, loss of motor control, blindness etc.
>>Again, a complete disruption and destruction of one's life.
>
>>
>>They are different. Both can be horribly devastating.
>
>Indeed, but in WWI, exposure to repeated battlefield explosions and
>noises had the potential to cause brain contusions with no outward
>sign of physical injury and certainly no advanced medical testing
>capabilities available to confirm or deny them. Such injuries can
>cause, among other symptoms, personality changes.
>
>Such physical injury and symptoms could also overlap with the
>existence of PTSD, which, though unrecognized then in the more
>sophisticated way we now understand it , certainly existed. So, though
>the disorders are quite different, the presentations can, in some
>cases, have similar appearance.
>
>Our understandings of both disorders are greater now, although there
>is still tremendous misunderstanding and suspicion about either among
>the lay public.
>
and these days modern medicine has the ability to save the lives of
many service personnel who would have died from battlefield injuries
years ago. The sad fact is that death in earlier wars winnowed out
many who now suffer PTSD because of the abilities of modern medicine..

On 2018-07-24 11:24 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> and these days modern medicine has the ability to save the lives of
> many service personnel who would have died from battlefield injuries
> years ago. The sad fact is that death in earlier wars winnowed out
> many who now suffer PTSD because of the abilities of modern medicine..


Many of those who are claiming PTSD were never wounded.

On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 16:36:27 +1000, Druce >
wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 22:58:59 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:
>
>>In article >, Cheri >
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Where I am, there are a whole lot of grapes as in wineries, and orchards
>>> with lots of dirty work. I have friends that have them, but certainly not
>>> me, they have nice houses, I have a small average house...no mud room, I
>>> feel lucky to have a laundry room.
>>
>>Start by growing a few bushes of fine grapes in your yard, foot
>>stomping them, fermenting and bottling them yourself. Then roll back
>>your own age and the fresh wine to forty years ago. Today, submit your
>>aged wine to some international wine snobbery with the label of "Cheri"
>>with one of those backwords apostrophes over the "i". Become renowned
>>and get a mudroom. Easy peasy.
>
>Not on the "i", but on the "e". It's French. You know, one of those
>languages that people speak to **** off Americans.

Polly view Froggy.

On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:24:32 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:59:16 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>

>>
>>Indeed, but in WWI, exposure to repeated battlefield explosions and
>>noises had the potential to cause brain contusions with no outward
>>sign of physical injury and certainly no advanced medical testing
>>capabilities available to confirm or deny them. Such injuries can
>>cause, among other symptoms, personality changes.
>>
>>Such physical injury and symptoms could also overlap with the
>>existence of PTSD, which, though unrecognized then in the more
>>sophisticated way we now understand it , certainly existed. So, though
>>the disorders are quite different, the presentations can, in some
>>cases, have similar appearance.
>>
>>Our understandings of both disorders are greater now, although there
>>is still tremendous misunderstanding and suspicion about either among
>>the lay public.
>>
>and these days modern medicine has the ability to save the lives of
>many service personnel who would have died from battlefield injuries
>years ago. The sad fact is that death in earlier wars winnowed out
>many who now suffer PTSD because of the abilities of modern medicine..


Amen