On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 4:43:53 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2018-08-14 2:09 PM, wrote:
>
> > Spelling and generally punctuation has always been my strong points.
>
> Has or have?
>
Both.
>
> > But math, oh my, let's not go there. I thought I had died and gone
> > to heaven when Texas Instruments introduced the handheld, reasonably
> > priced, calculators back in the '70's.
>
> Too late in the 70s for me. I had to take a statistics and probability
> course at university an had to do statistical analysis tests on research
> projects. Most of those tests involved a lot of squaring and finding
> square roots.... which I still can't do. A pocket calculator that would
> add, subtract, multiply, divide and to square roots, and only had
> display for 8 digits, was about $250. That was about 2 weeks pay for
> someone with a decent job. By the 80s they had better calculators in
> the covers of 3 ring binders for about $6.
>
>
My first handheld, Texas Instruments, calculator I bought was about $25
and I thought long and hard before I forked over that cash mid '70's.
That was a tidy sum to be handing over at the time and now you can buy
handhelds for well under $10. I've got a slim one about the size of a
playing card that automatically figures sales tax. I've come up in the
world!

On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 19:33:53 -0400, wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:05:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 8/14/2018 1:52 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 8/14/2018 1:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 8/14/2018 1:20 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 8/14/2018 1:03 PM, wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:45:04 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 10:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 9:04 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 6:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After lamb pancakes are my least favorite food...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've never heard of lamb pancakes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You demonstrate the reading ability of a retarded five year old.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Grammar really isn't your forte, is it?* It should read:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "After lamb,
>>>>>>>>>>>> pancakes are..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **A comma does NOT belong in
>>>>>>>>> my sentence.* With all the reading you claim to do you are wasting
>>>>>>>>> your time... you are incapable of reading comprehension as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When starting* sentence with "After" it clues you in that it is a
>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>> that requires a comma.* It sounds like you are talking about lamb
>>>>>>>> pancakes* Substitute blueberry and it sounds like you are talking
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> pancakes with blueberries, not two separate items.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you, Ed. * Lamb pancakes don't sound very interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two stutterers.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Admit it, you're wrong.* It's not that difficult.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> I bet he speaks it with that slight pause represented by a comma.* He
>>>> should clarify with his wife that teaches.
>>>
>>> You should have said he should clarify with his wife "who" teaches.
>>>
>>> Jill
>
>My wife rarely takes an English class, English is not her native
>tongue, her native tongue is Spanish and various Mayan dialects... and
>she also teaches Latin because all the way through High School she
>attended the Cathelic

Right.

>school in Belize and they held classes in Latin.
>However she is excellent in math, algebra, and trig, but she sucks at
>geometry, my favorite. Mostly she teaches the math classes and the
>computer science classes. She takes the regular Latin teacher's
>classes when he's away, actually she speaks Latin better than him.

People don't speak Latin, not even Latin teachers. You're talking
nonsense.

wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:05:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 8/14/2018 1:52 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 8/14/2018 1:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 8/14/2018 1:20 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 8/14/2018 1:03 PM, wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:45:04 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 10:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 9:04 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 6:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After lamb pancakes are my least favorite food...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've never heard of lamb pancakes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You demonstrate the reading ability of a retarded five year old.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Grammar really isn't your forte, is it? It should read:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "After lamb,
>>>>>>>>>>>> pancakes are..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A comma does NOT belong in
>>>>>>>>> my sentence. With all the reading you claim to do you are wasting
>>>>>>>>> your time... you are incapable of reading comprehension as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When starting sentence with "After" it clues you in that it is a
>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>> that requires a comma. It sounds like you are talking about lamb
>>>>>>>> pancakes Substitute blueberry and it sounds like you are talking
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> pancakes with blueberries, not two separate items.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you, Ed. Lamb pancakes don't sound very interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two stutterers.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Admit it, you're wrong. It's not that difficult.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> I bet he speaks it with that slight pause represented by a comma. He
>>>> should clarify with his wife that teaches.
>>>
>>> You should have said he should clarify with his wife "who" teaches.
>>>
>>> Jill
>

> If not for my wife I'd not be at rfc, she's who convinced me and
> taught me to use a computer.
>

IF she's responsible for yoose low down sorry ass being on the net, she
will surely burn in hell.

Shel, that should be "...teaches Latin better than he," not better than him.

This is just a friendly grammatical note FYI.

N.

Druce wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 19:33:53 -0400, wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:05:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/14/2018 1:52 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 8/14/2018 1:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 8/14/2018 1:20 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/14/2018 1:03 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:45:04 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 10:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 9:04 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 6:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After lamb pancakes are my least favorite food...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've never heard of lamb pancakes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You demonstrate the reading ability of a retarded five year old.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grammar really isn't your forte, is it? It should read:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "After lamb,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pancakes are..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A comma does NOT belong in
>>>>>>>>>> my sentence. With all the reading you claim to do you are wasting
>>>>>>>>>> your time... you are incapable of reading comprehension as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When starting sentence with "After" it clues you in that it is a
>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>> that requires a comma. It sounds like you are talking about lamb
>>>>>>>>> pancakes Substitute blueberry and it sounds like you are talking
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> pancakes with blueberries, not two separate items.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you, Ed. Lamb pancakes don't sound very interesting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two stutterers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Admit it, you're wrong. It's not that difficult.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet he speaks it with that slight pause represented by a comma. He
>>>>> should clarify with his wife that teaches.
>>>>
>>>> You should have said he should clarify with his wife "who" teaches.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>
>> My wife rarely takes an English class, English is not her native
>> tongue, her native tongue is Spanish and various Mayan dialects... and
>> she also teaches Latin because all the way through High School she
>> attended the Cathelic
>
> Right.
>
>> school in Belize and they held classes in Latin.
>> However she is excellent in math, algebra, and trig, but she sucks at
>> geometry, my favorite. Mostly she teaches the math classes and the
>> computer science classes. She takes the regular Latin teacher's
>> classes when he's away, actually she speaks Latin better than him.
>
> People don't speak Latin, not even Latin teachers. You're talking
> nonsense.
>

Shhh ... Popeye doesn't know Latin is a dead language. he thinks it it
spoken in Latin America, naturally.

He makes a complete fool of himself and displays his vast ignorance with
every single post he makes. It never fails.

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 7:39:58 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> Druce wrote:
> >
> > People don't speak Latin, not even Latin teachers. You're talking
> > nonsense.
> >
> Shhh ... Popeye doesn't know Latin is a dead language. he thinks it it
> spoken in Latin America, naturally.
>
>
There used to be a saying that Latin students around here would quote:
"Latin killed the Romans and now it's killing me."

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 7:58:26 PM UTC-4, Druce wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 19:33:53 -0400, wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:05:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >>On 8/14/2018 1:52 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>> On 8/14/2018 1:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>> On 8/14/2018 1:20 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>>>> On 8/14/2018 1:03 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:45:04 -0400, jmcquown >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 10:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 9:04 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 6:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After lamb pancakes are my least favorite food...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've never heard of lamb pancakes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You demonstrate the reading ability of a retarded five year old.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Grammar really isn't your forte, is it?Â* It should read:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "After lamb,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> pancakes are..."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Â*Â*A comma does NOT belong in
> >>>>>>>>> my sentence.Â* With all the reading you claim to do you are wasting
> >>>>>>>>> your time... you are incapable of reading comprehension as well..
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> When startingÂ* sentence with "After" it clues you in that it is a
> >>>>>>>> list
> >>>>>>>> that requires a comma.Â* It sounds like you are talking about lamb
> >>>>>>>> pancakesÂ* Substitute blueberry and it sounds like you are talking
> >>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>> pancakes with blueberries, not two separate items.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you, Ed. Â* Lamb pancakes don't sound very interesting.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Two stutterers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Admit it, you're wrong.Â* It's not that difficult.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jill
> >>>>
> >>>> I bet he speaks it with that slight pause represented by a comma.Â* He
> >>>> should clarify with his wife that teaches.
> >>>
> >>> You should have said he should clarify with his wife "who" teaches.
> >>>
> >>> Jill
> >
> >My wife rarely takes an English class, English is not her native
> >tongue, her native tongue is Spanish and various Mayan dialects... and
> >she also teaches Latin because all the way through High School she
> >attended the Cathelic
>
> Right.
>
> >school in Belize and they held classes in Latin.
> >However she is excellent in math, algebra, and trig, but she sucks at
> >geometry, my favorite. Mostly she teaches the math classes and the
> >computer science classes. She takes the regular Latin teacher's
> >classes when he's away, actually she speaks Latin better than him.
>
> People don't speak Latin, not even Latin teachers. You're talking
> nonsense.

How does one teach Latin without speaking it (and having the students
speak it back)? Speaking engages a different part of the brain from
reading and writing, and contributes to better learning.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 03:12:32 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 7:58:26 PM UTC-4, Druce wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 19:33:53 -0400, wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:05:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 8/14/2018 1:52 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> >>> On 8/14/2018 1:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>>> On 8/14/2018 1:20 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> >>>>> On 8/14/2018 1:03 PM, wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:45:04 -0400, jmcquown >
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 10:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 9:04 PM, wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 6:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After lamb pancakes are my least favorite food...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've never heard of lamb pancakes.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You demonstrate the reading ability of a retarded five year old.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Grammar really isn't your forte, is it?* It should read:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "After lamb,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> pancakes are..."
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> **A comma does NOT belong in
>> >>>>>>>>> my sentence.* With all the reading you claim to do you are wasting
>> >>>>>>>>> your time... you are incapable of reading comprehension as well.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> When starting* sentence with "After" it clues you in that it is a
>> >>>>>>>> list
>> >>>>>>>> that requires a comma.* It sounds like you are talking about lamb
>> >>>>>>>> pancakes* Substitute blueberry and it sounds like you are talking
>> >>>>>>>> about
>> >>>>>>>> pancakes with blueberries, not two separate items.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thank you, Ed. * Lamb pancakes don't sound very interesting.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Two stutterers.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> Admit it, you're wrong.* It's not that difficult.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jill
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I bet he speaks it with that slight pause represented by a comma.* He
>> >>>> should clarify with his wife that teaches.
>> >>>
>> >>> You should have said he should clarify with his wife "who" teaches.
>> >>>
>> >>> Jill
>> >
>> >My wife rarely takes an English class, English is not her native
>> >tongue, her native tongue is Spanish and various Mayan dialects... and
>> >she also teaches Latin because all the way through High School she
>> >attended the Cathelic
>>
>> Right.
>>
>> >school in Belize and they held classes in Latin.
>> >However she is excellent in math, algebra, and trig, but she sucks at
>> >geometry, my favorite. Mostly she teaches the math classes and the
>> >computer science classes. She takes the regular Latin teacher's
>> >classes when he's away, actually she speaks Latin better than him.
>>
>> People don't speak Latin, not even Latin teachers. You're talking
>> nonsense.
>
>How does one teach Latin without speaking it (and having the students
>speak it back)? Speaking engages a different part of the brain from
>reading and writing, and contributes to better learning.

But nobody speaks Latin, except church Latin or the odd expression.
When you're taught Latin, you're taught to read it. Not write it or
speak it. After 6 years of learning Latin, I wasn't able to say "How
do you like your lamb pancakes" or "Get off my lawn" in Latin. But I
was able to read Virgil's Aeneid or Catullus poems'.

On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 03:12:32 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:


>How does one teach Latin without speaking it (and having the students
>speak it back)? Speaking engages a different part of the brain from
>reading and writing, and contributes to better learning.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

It isn't taught conversationally. Neither is ancient/classical Greek,
and I bet there are more languages that are similarly studied.

There used to be a Latin club of some sort at U of M back in the day.
My sister, who by that time had put in way too many years studying the
language, was a member and they presented a play. Quite an
extravaganza, as I recall, done outdoors with quite a crowd in
attendance. Outside of historical readings and Church Latin, I, who
could also have been accused of overindulgence in taking Latin, had
never heard it used for modern language communication before that
theatrical.

COULD someone proficient in Latin compose and engage in conversation?
Sure, the capability is there, and was actually indulged in in more
absurd moments of humor between my sister and me, but that was more
artifice than scholarship. We did used to joke that such proficiency
was only practical if one had many priests as friends.

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 8:44:27 AM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 03:12:32 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>
> >How does one teach Latin without speaking it (and having the students
> >speak it back)? Speaking engages a different part of the brain from
> >reading and writing, and contributes to better learning.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> It isn't taught conversationally. Neither is ancient/classical Greek,
> and I bet there are more languages that are similarly studied.
>
> There used to be a Latin club of some sort at U of M back in the day.
> My sister, who by that time had put in way too many years studying the
> language, was a member and they presented a play. Quite an
> extravaganza, as I recall, done outdoors with quite a crowd in
> attendance. Outside of historical readings and Church Latin, I, who
> could also have been accused of overindulgence in taking Latin, had
> never heard it used for modern language communication before that
> theatrical.
>
> COULD someone proficient in Latin compose and engage in conversation?
> Sure, the capability is there, and was actually indulged in in more
> absurd moments of humor between my sister and me, but that was more
> artifice than scholarship. We did used to joke that such proficiency
> was only practical if one had many priests as friends.

Well, color me surprised. I pictured students sitting there saying
Salve the way we said Guten Morgen in German class.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
says...
>
> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 7:58:26 PM UTC-4, Druce wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 19:33:53 -0400, wrote:
> >
> > >On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:05:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> > >
> > >>On 8/14/2018 1:52 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > >>> On 8/14/2018 1:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >>>> On 8/14/2018 1:20 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > >>>>> On 8/14/2018 1:03 PM, wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:45:04 -0400, jmcquown >
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 10:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 9:04 PM, wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 6:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After lamb pancakes are my least favorite food...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've never heard of lamb pancakes.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> You demonstrate the reading ability of a retarded five year old.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Grammar really isn't your forte, is it?* It should read:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> "After lamb,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> pancakes are..."
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> **A comma does NOT belong in
> > >>>>>>>>> my sentence.* With all the reading you claim to do you are wasting
> > >>>>>>>>> your time... you are incapable of reading comprehension as well.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> When starting* sentence with "After" it clues you in that it is a
> > >>>>>>>> list
> > >>>>>>>> that requires a comma.* It sounds like you are talking about lamb
> > >>>>>>>> pancakes* Substitute blueberry and it sounds like you are talking
> > >>>>>>>> about
> > >>>>>>>> pancakes with blueberries, not two separate items.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thank you, Ed. * Lamb pancakes don't sound very interesting.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Two stutterers.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> Admit it, you're wrong.* It's not that difficult.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Jill
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I bet he speaks it with that slight pause represented by a comma.* He
> > >>>> should clarify with his wife that teaches.
> > >>>
> > >>> You should have said he should clarify with his wife "who" teaches.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jill
> > >
> > >My wife rarely takes an English class, English is not her native
> > >tongue, her native tongue is Spanish and various Mayan dialects... and
> > >she also teaches Latin because all the way through High School she
> > >attended the Cathelic
> >
> > Right.
> >
> > >school in Belize and they held classes in Latin.
> > >However she is excellent in math, algebra, and trig, but she sucks at
> > >geometry, my favorite. Mostly she teaches the math classes and the
> > >computer science classes. She takes the regular Latin teacher's
> > >classes when he's away, actually she speaks Latin better than him.
> >
> > People don't speak Latin, not even Latin teachers. You're talking
> > nonsense.
>
> How does one teach Latin without speaking it (and having the students
> speak it back)?

Latin is taught through (and for) reading and translating its ancient
literature, (and learning the grammar system, required to be able to
understand and translate it). The only "speaking" required , is reading
the literature aloud, or chanting grammar declensions.

Pupils are not taught to converse in Latin, so it's completely unlike
learning a modern language where the student learns to read, write and
speak the language.

I learned Latin, German and French at school.

Janet UK

On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 06:28:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 8:44:27 AM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 03:12:32 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> >How does one teach Latin without speaking it (and having the students
>> >speak it back)? Speaking engages a different part of the brain from
>> >reading and writing, and contributes to better learning.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> It isn't taught conversationally. Neither is ancient/classical Greek,
>> and I bet there are more languages that are similarly studied.
>>
>> There used to be a Latin club of some sort at U of M back in the day.
>> My sister, who by that time had put in way too many years studying the
>> language, was a member and they presented a play. Quite an
>> extravaganza, as I recall, done outdoors with quite a crowd in
>> attendance. Outside of historical readings and Church Latin, I, who
>> could also have been accused of overindulgence in taking Latin, had
>> never heard it used for modern language communication before that
>> theatrical.
>>
>> COULD someone proficient in Latin compose and engage in conversation?
>> Sure, the capability is there, and was actually indulged in in more
>> absurd moments of humor between my sister and me, but that was more
>> artifice than scholarship. We did used to joke that such proficiency
>> was only practical if one had many priests as friends.
>
>Well, color me surprised. I pictured students sitting there saying
>Salve the way we said Guten Morgen in German class.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

There is a very different group of people who are also familiar with
verbalization of Latin with a rather strict set of pronunciation rules
- choral singers.

We're screwed anyway...

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...americans-lag/

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 10:52:08 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 7:58:26 PM UTC-4, Druce wrote:
> > > On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 19:33:53 -0400, wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:05:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>On 8/14/2018 1:52 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > >>> On 8/14/2018 1:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > >>>> On 8/14/2018 1:20 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > >>>>> On 8/14/2018 1:03 PM, wrote:
> > > >>>>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:45:04 -0400, jmcquown >
> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 10:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 9:04 PM, wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2018 6:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After lamb pancakes are my least favorite food...
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've never heard of lamb pancakes.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> You demonstrate the reading ability of a retarded five year old.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Grammar really isn't your forte, is it?Â* It should read:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> "After lamb,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> pancakes are..."
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Â*Â*A comma does NOT belong in
> > > >>>>>>>>> my sentence.Â* With all the reading you claim to do you are wasting
> > > >>>>>>>>> your time... you are incapable of reading comprehension as well.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> When startingÂ* sentence with "After" it clues you in that it is a
> > > >>>>>>>> list
> > > >>>>>>>> that requires a comma.Â* It sounds like you are talking about lamb
> > > >>>>>>>> pancakesÂ* Substitute blueberry and it sounds like you are talking
> > > >>>>>>>> about
> > > >>>>>>>> pancakes with blueberries, not two separate items.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Thank you, Ed. Â* Lamb pancakes don't sound very interesting.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Two stutterers.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> Admit it, you're wrong.Â* It's not that difficult.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Jill
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I bet he speaks it with that slight pause represented by a comma..Â* He
> > > >>>> should clarify with his wife that teaches.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You should have said he should clarify with his wife "who" teaches.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Jill
> > > >
> > > >My wife rarely takes an English class, English is not her native
> > > >tongue, her native tongue is Spanish and various Mayan dialects... and
> > > >she also teaches Latin because all the way through High School she
> > > >attended the Cathelic
> > >
> > > Right.
> > >
> > > >school in Belize and they held classes in Latin.
> > > >However she is excellent in math, algebra, and trig, but she sucks at
> > > >geometry, my favorite. Mostly she teaches the math classes and the
> > > >computer science classes. She takes the regular Latin teacher's
> > > >classes when he's away, actually she speaks Latin better than him.
> > >
> > > People don't speak Latin, not even Latin teachers. You're talking
> > > nonsense.
> >
> > How does one teach Latin without speaking it (and having the students
> > speak it back)?
>
> Latin is taught through (and for) reading and translating its ancient
> literature, (and learning the grammar system, required to be able to
> understand and translate it). The only "speaking" required , is reading
> the literature aloud, or chanting grammar declensions.
>
> Pupils are not taught to converse in Latin, so it's completely unlike
> learning a modern language where the student learns to read, write and
> speak the language.

Well, that's dull. I'd rather learn Klingon.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 09:35:04 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 10:52:08 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 7:58:26 PM UTC-4, Druce wrote:
>> > > On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 19:33:53 -0400, wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >My wife rarely takes an English class, English is not her native
>> > > >tongue, her native tongue is Spanish and various Mayan dialects... and
>> > > >she also teaches Latin because all the way through High School she
>> > > >attended the Cathelic
>> > >
>> > > Right.
>> > >
>> > > >school in Belize and they held classes in Latin.
>> > > >However she is excellent in math, algebra, and trig, but she sucks at
>> > > >geometry, my favorite. Mostly she teaches the math classes and the
>> > > >computer science classes. She takes the regular Latin teacher's
>> > > >classes when he's away, actually she speaks Latin better than him.
>> > >
>> > > People don't speak Latin, not even Latin teachers. You're talking
>> > > nonsense.
>> >
>> > How does one teach Latin without speaking it (and having the students
>> > speak it back)?
>>
>> Latin is taught through (and for) reading and translating its ancient
>> literature, (and learning the grammar system, required to be able to
>> understand and translate it). The only "speaking" required , is reading
>> the literature aloud, or chanting grammar declensions.
>>
>> Pupils are not taught to converse in Latin, so it's completely unlike
>> learning a modern language where the student learns to read, write and
>> speak the language.
>
>Well, that's dull. I'd rather learn Klingon.

Try 5 years of Ancient Greek.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Well, that's dull. I'd rather learn Klingon.

I've been half-heartedly learning the Lakota language. I think it
sounds very cool. I'd never get too good with it though unless I
moved out west for a year or so and lived near some of those
people. Just knowing how to speak a little bit is fun though.

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 9:26:36 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Well, that's dull. I'd rather learn Klingon.
>
> I've been half-heartedly learning the Lakota language. I think it
> sounds very cool. I'd never get too good with it though unless I
> moved out west for a year or so and lived near some of those
> people. Just knowing how to speak a little bit is fun though.

I know two Klingon phrases:

Success!

What do you want?

They come in handy at work. Luckily all of my co-workers are nerds, too.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 07:00:51 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 9:26:36 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > Well, that's dull. I'd rather learn Klingon.
>>
>> I've been half-heartedly learning the Lakota language. I think it
>> sounds very cool. I'd never get too good with it though unless I
>> moved out west for a year or so and lived near some of those
>> people. Just knowing how to speak a little bit is fun though.
>
>I know two Klingon phrases:
>
>Success!
>
>What do you want?
>
>They come in handy at work. Luckily all of my co-workers are nerds, too.

Your job sounds like a lot of fun