On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 7:31:16 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:06:05 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 9:46:19 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >>
> >> I hope there's a basement otherwise it's like living in the
> >> garage.... I would never live in a house on a slab, a double wide
> >> trailer up on blocks is better, at least it's off the ground. I don't
> >> consider a house on a slab a house, it's a barn.
> >>
> >Houses with basements in Florida are as scarce as hens teeth. Here's
> >a hint: sandy soil.
>
> Sandy soil costs less to excavate.

Installing a pump to keep the hole dry might be a little expensive.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 00:38:57 -0000 (UTC), Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Sun 26 Aug 2018 04:48:50p, told us...
>
>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 21:45:17 -0000 (UTC), Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun 26 Aug 2018 02:29:06p, told us...
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:57:00 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>John, are you commenting on my post? I don't get it. If I
>>>>>cared what you thought, I would ask you to explain, but I don't.
>>>>> Just let me say, being cooped up in a confined space for even a
>>>>>half hour or so, where anyone may have a cold virus or something
>>>>>contagious, isn't my idea of "caring for my fellow '"yumans,'"
>>>>>or whatever you said. I am a disabled senior, and if I catch a
>>>>>cold, it would likely turn into pneumonia because I don't have
>>>>>the immune system I used to have. It takes me a long time to
>>>>>recover from a common cold. Not that my reason is any of your
>>>>>concern.
>>>>>
>>>>>N.
>>>>
>>>> Trust you have had the pneumonia shot, and if you did, did you
>>>> know they now feel that rather than one lasting for a life time,
>>>> you need ten year boosters?
>>>>
>>>
>>>David and I have both had the original pneumonia shot and a
>>>booster, the high strength flu flu shot just last week, and the
>>>shingles shot. As baby boomers we've also been tested for Hep-C,
>>>and we both tested negative. We also get a periodic tetanus shot.
>>
>> Great, I get so mad with these dumb anti vaxxers.
>
>As we get older (David turns 70 in October and I'm currently 73),
>there are so many potential health issues that one might develop that
>it just makes sense to protect against those you can.

Time was kids had to have all the 'usual' childhood ailments however
with the celebrity antivaxxers going at it, they should be going in
fear with a measles hit coming over from Europe.

On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 9:05:28 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
....
> Besides, the outside isn't all that important. I don't like the look
> of our house, but I can't see it when I'm inside or working outside,
> so it doesn't matter that much.

ROFL!!! YOU can't see it so it's not important?

What an EGOTIST!!! :-(

John Kuthe...

Cindy, sump pumps, if included in the original plans, add very little to the cost. They are
engineered and designed to turn on automatically when ground water trips a certain monitor,
do their magic, and then turn off. They may repeat this routine on a regular basis many times
in a rainy season. If placed correctly, the home resident never hears it operate. It generally
drains to the exterior so that it runs off away from the house.

I live in what our part of the Midwest calls a "split foyer," which has a lower level halfway below
ground level. We had a flood occurrence once in 2008 (along with thousands of others) that
destroyed my lower level "rec room," and laundry room. Since I was remodeling the rest of
the house anyway, I just added that level to the list. And put in a sump pump. It has a battery
backup, but I also have insurance against "sump pump failure," that covers up to $10,000 in
damage, which is about twice as much as would be needed. It is very inexpensive...like $10/
6 months, and well worth it. My pump has never failed in the ten years it has been working.

(Installing it required jack hammering a trench inside the area, laying down gravel, a drainage
tube, more gravel and then concrete to fill in the trench. That cost about $1,500.)

N.

On 8/26/2018 7:38 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:19:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 8/26/2018 12:00 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it's very easy to build a house with a basement in areas with
>>> high water tables and/or very rocky areas... same way they do in many
>>> large citys, they make a higher foundation with perhaps 4-5 steps to
>>> the front door. They dig down to a certain depth and perhaps the
>>> basement is half above ground.
>>
>> But one reason we are moving is to avoid steps.
>
> We live in a ranch, no steps, and rarely have a need to go in the
> basement

Then why all the fuss about having one?

Jill

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 10:34:24 AM UTC-4, Nancy2 wrote:
> Cindy, sump pumps, if included in the original plans, add very little to the cost. They are
> engineered and designed to turn on automatically when ground water trips a certain monitor,
> do their magic, and then turn off.

I once rented a house that when they dug the basement, they hit water.
It had two full-time sump pumps and a battery backup.

If there's no reason to dig deep footers (as in Florida), a basement with
a high water table isn't worth the trouble.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 6:31:16 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:06:05 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 9:46:19 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >>
> >> I hope there's a basement otherwise it's like living in the
> >> garage.... I would never live in a house on a slab, a double wide
> >> trailer up on blocks is better, at least it's off the ground. I don't
> >> consider a house on a slab a house, it's a barn.
> >>
> >Houses with basements in Florida are as scarce as hens teeth. Here's
> >a hint: sandy soil.
>
> Sandy soil costs less to excavate.
>
Maybe so, but you've got to constantly battle the sand caving in upon
itself while digging out a basement. To thwart that problem gunite is
used. Then you have to make sure there is no seepage from ground water
since the water table is so high.

Most people moving to Florida are trying to downsize and having a base-
ment just encourages more junk to be stored. I have a daylight basement,
aka a dugout, that is accessed from within the house. My water heater is
down there along with my gas furnace which is suspended from the ceiling.
I haven't been down there for a year and have no intention of going down
there anytime soon. The only benefit, for me, of having a basement is
it provides a place for those two appliances.

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 9:34:24 AM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> Cindy, sump pumps, if included in the original plans, add very little to the cost. They are
> engineered and designed to turn on automatically when ground water trips a certain monitor,
> do their magic, and then turn off. They may repeat this routine on a regular basis many times
> in a rainy season. If placed correctly, the home resident never hears it operate. It generally
> drains to the exterior so that it runs off away from the house.
>
> N.
>
I have a sump pump in my dugout basement and live on a 'wet weather' spring.
Only time my pump comes on is when we've had an inordinate amount of rain.
It pumps and shoots that water out into the alley. If not for this pump
my basement would look like a small lake.

On 2018-08-27 9:09 AM, wrote:
> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 9:34:24 AM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
>>
>> Cindy, sump pumps, if included in the original plans, add very little to the cost. They are
>> engineered and designed to turn on automatically when ground water trips a certain monitor,
>> do their magic, and then turn off. They may repeat this routine on a regular basis many times
>> in a rainy season. If placed correctly, the home resident never hears it operate. It generally
>> drains to the exterior so that it runs off away from the house.
>>
>> N.
>>
> I have a sump pump in my dugout basement and live on a 'wet weather' spring.
> Only time my pump comes on is when we've had an inordinate amount of rain.
> It pumps and shoots that water out into the alley. If not for this pump
> my basement would look like a small lake.
>
The main city reservoir is only a few hundred yards from my sub-division
and we are a good 100' above the water level. In spite of that, I have a
sump pump as there are gravel "strings" through the neighbourhood from
higher ground (a relic of the last Ice Age). However, the pump is only
necessary in June, our rainiest month, when the water table creeps up.
One house a couple of blocks away has a sump pump that goes pretty
constantly as it is right on a gravel stringer.
Otherwise my basement is dry and I have my workshop down there as well
as the laundry pair.

On 8/26/2018 7:10 PM, wrote:
>
> A basement can save you during hurricane season too and there
> are lots of hurricanes in Florida.
>
BZZZZZT! It's a really bad idea to go into a basement during a
hurricane. Not if you have common sense.

Hurricanes involve torrential rain, high winds and potenial flooding.

More than one person thought seeking shelter in a basement was a good
idea during Hurricane Sandy in 2012. It made landfall in the Northeast.
It was called a "Superstorm". It hit Coastal NY, NYC boroughs, NJ.
Drenching rain, damaging winds. And flooding. Many people who went
into basements during Sandy were trapped and drowned in their own homes.

When you're dealing with lots of water, you don't go *downstairs*.

Jill

Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.

I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
Residential neighborhoods.

N.

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 1:15:13 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
> Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
> from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
> became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
> high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
> for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.
>
> I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
> around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
> Residential neighborhoods.
>
> N.

How in the WORLD did this convo go from "May I put your penis in my mouth?" to arguments about hurricanes and basements?

Your RFCers ARE completely MAD! ;-)

John Kuthe...

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 2:15:13 PM UTC-4, Nancy2 wrote:
> Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
> from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
> became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
> high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
> for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.

I get that. But we were talking about basements in Florida.

> I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
> around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
> Residential neighborhoods.

My current house is on former farmland. We have no footing drains either.
What we have is 6-9 feet of clay, courtesy of the last glaciers. Our
plan for flooding is: I hope the ground is so hard that all the water
rolls down into the Corps of Engineers ditch that runs behind my property.

Cindy Hamilton

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 2:31:59 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 1:15:13 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
> > Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
> > from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
> > became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
> > high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
> > for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.
> >
> > I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
> > around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
> > Residential neighborhoods.
> >
> > N.
>
> How in the WORLD did this convo go from "May I put your penis in my mouth?" to arguments about hurricanes and basements?
>
> Your RFCers ARE completely MAD! ;-)
>
> John Kuthe...

Clearly, we'd rather talk about disaster than your dick.

Cindy Hamilton

jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/26/2018 7:10 PM, wrote:
>>
>> A basement can save you during hurricane season too and there
>> are lots of hurricanes in Florida.
>>
> BZZZZZT! It's a really bad idea to go into a basement during a
> hurricane. Not if you have common sense.
>
> Hurricanes involve torrential rain, high winds and potenial flooding.
>
> More than one person thought seeking shelter in a basement was a good
> idea during Hurricane Sandy in 2012. It made landfall in the Northeast.
> It was called a "Superstorm". It hit Coastal NY, NYC boroughs, NJ.
> Drenching rain, damaging winds. And flooding. Many people who went
> into basements during Sandy were trapped and drowned in their own homes.
>
> When you're dealing with lots of water, you don't go *downstairs*.
>
> Jill

Doesn't apply to Popeye. Sailors aren't afraid of a little water.

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 2:00:12 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 2:31:59 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 1:15:13 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
> > > Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
> > > from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
> > > became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
> > > high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
> > > for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.
> > >
> > > I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
> > > around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
> > > Residential neighborhoods.
> > >
> > > N.
> >
> > How in the WORLD did this convo go from "May I put your penis in my mouth?" to arguments about hurricanes and basements?
> >
> > Your RFCers ARE completely MAD! ;-)
> >
> > John Kuthe...
>
> Clearly, we'd rather talk about disaster than your dick.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Natural Disasters!! ;-)

Not man made disasters like Global Warming!

John Kuthe...

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 6:31:16 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:06:05 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 9:46:19 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I hope there's a basement otherwise it's like living in the
>> >> garage.... I would never live in a house on a slab, a double wide
>> >> trailer up on blocks is better, at least it's off the ground. I don't
>> >> consider a house on a slab a house, it's a barn.
>> >>
>> >Houses with basements in Florida are as scarce as hens teeth. Here's
>> >a hint: sandy soil.
>>
>> Sandy soil costs less to excavate.
>>
>Maybe so, but you've got to constantly battle the sand caving in upon
>itself while digging out a basement. To thwart that problem gunite is
>used. Then you have to make sure there is no seepage from ground water
>since the water table is so high.
>
>Most people moving to Florida are trying to downsize and having a base-
>ment just encourages more junk to be stored. I have a daylight basement,
>aka a dugout, that is accessed from within the house. My water heater is
>down there along with my gas furnace which is suspended from the ceiling.
>I haven't been down there for a year and have no intention of going down
>there anytime soon. The only benefit, for me, of having a basement is
>it provides a place for those two appliances.

If you had a sump pump in Florida the damn thing would be running
nearly all the time.

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 2:00:12 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 2:31:59 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> >
> > How in the WORLD did this convo go from "May I put your penis in my mouth?" to arguments about hurricanes and basements?
> >
> > Your RFCers ARE completely MAD! ;-)
> >
> > John Kuthe...
>
> Clearly, we'd rather talk about disaster than your dick.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
https://s22.postimg.cc/hzqjvnvip/Thumps_up.gif

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 2:20:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >Most people moving to Florida are trying to downsize and having a base-
> >ment just encourages more junk to be stored. I have a daylight basement,
> >aka a dugout, that is accessed from within the house. My water heater is
> >down there along with my gas furnace which is suspended from the ceiling.
> >I haven't been down there for a year and have no intention of going down
> >there anytime soon. The only benefit, for me, of having a basement is
> >it provides a place for those two appliances.
>
> If you had a sump pump in Florida the damn thing would be running
> nearly all the time.
>
I bet it would!!

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:48:03 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/26/2018 7:38 PM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:19:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/26/2018 12:00 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually it's very easy to build a house with a basement in areas with
>>>> high water tables and/or very rocky areas... same way they do in many
>>>> large citys, they make a higher foundation with perhaps 4-5 steps to
>>>> the front door. They dig down to a certain depth and perhaps the
>>>> basement is half above ground.
>>>
>>> But one reason we are moving is to avoid steps.
>>
>> We live in a ranch, no steps, and rarely have a need to go in the
>> basement
>
>Then why all the fuss about having one?

lol

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 14:08:49 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>> On 8/26/2018 7:10 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> A basement can save you during hurricane season too and there
>>> are lots of hurricanes in Florida.
>>>
>> BZZZZZT! It's a really bad idea to go into a basement during a
>> hurricane. Not if you have common sense.
>>
>> Hurricanes involve torrential rain, high winds and potenial flooding.
>>
>> More than one person thought seeking shelter in a basement was a good
>> idea during Hurricane Sandy in 2012. It made landfall in the Northeast.
>> It was called a "Superstorm". It hit Coastal NY, NYC boroughs, NJ.
>> Drenching rain, damaging winds. And flooding. Many people who went
>> into basements during Sandy were trapped and drowned in their own homes.
>>
>> When you're dealing with lots of water, you don't go *downstairs*.
>>
>> Jill
>
>Doesn't apply to Popeye. Sailors aren't afraid of a little water.

Popeye can breath under water. He just keeps his pipe above water.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 05:57:17 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 9:05:28 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>...
>> Besides, the outside isn't all that important. I don't like the look
>> of our house, but I can't see it when I'm inside or working outside,
>> so it doesn't matter that much.
>
>ROFL!!! YOU can't see it so it's not important?
>
>What an EGOTIST!!! :-(

Other people don't have as good taste as me, so they don't know that
it's not a beautiful house.

On 8/26/2018 6:38 PM, wrote:
>
> Hardly... I wouldn't live in Florida if I was given that house for
> free. Florida is the last place I'd want to live for retirement.
>
So what? Ed and his wife don't want to live where they have to deal
with snow anymore, and I'm sure they don't want to mow acres of land.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/26/2018 6:38 PM, wrote:
>>
>> Hardly... I wouldn't live in Florida if I was given that house for
>> free. Florida is the last place I'd want to live for retirement.
>>
> So what? Ed and his wife don't want to live where they have to deal
> with snow anymore, and I'm sure they don't want to mow acres of land.
>
> Jill

All the better for Florida that Popeye won't be going there.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 17:35:12 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>> On 8/26/2018 6:38 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> Hardly... I wouldn't live in Florida if I was given that house for
>>> free. Florida is the last place I'd want to live for retirement.
>>>
>> So what? Ed and his wife don't want to live where they have to deal
>> with snow anymore, and I'm sure they don't want to mow acres of land.
>>
>> Jill
>
>All the better for Florida that Popeye won't be going there.
>
Yes, I'm sure Ed is heaving a sigh of relief

jmcquown wrote:

> On 8/26/2018 7:10 PM, wrote:
> >
> > A basement can save you during hurricane season too and there
> > are lots of hurricanes in Florida.
> >
> BZZZZZT! It's a really bad idea to go into a basement during a
> hurricane. Not if you have common sense.
>
> Hurricanes involve torrential rain, high winds and potenial flooding.
>
> More than one person thought seeking shelter in a basement was a good
> idea during Hurricane Sandy in 2012. It made landfall in the
> Northeast. It was called a "Superstorm". It hit Coastal NY, NYC
> boroughs, NJ. Drenching rain, damaging winds. And flooding. Many
> people who went into basements during Sandy were trapped and drowned
> in their own homes.
>
> When you're dealing with lots of water, you don't go downstairs.
>
> Jill

Yup. Sheldon has to 100% wrong here.

Areas prone to hurricanes tend to be low water table to start with so
no basements. He' thinking northern 'nor easters' and dryer mid-west
with lower water tables.

On 8/27/2018 7:00 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 17:35:12 -0500, Hank Rogers >
> wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 8/26/2018 6:38 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hardly... I wouldn't live in Florida if I was given that house for
>>>> free. Florida is the last place I'd want to live for retirement.
>>>>
>>> So what? Ed and his wife don't want to live where they have to deal
>>> with snow anymore, and I'm sure they don't want to mow acres of land.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> All the better for Florida that Popeye won't be going there.
>>
> Yes, I'm sure Ed is heaving a sigh of relief
>
All of Florida is heaving a sigh of relief! They won't be required to
have basements in hurricane zones. (A ridiculous idea.)

Jill

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 20:37:40 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/27/2018 7:00 PM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 17:35:12 -0500, Hank Rogers >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 8/26/2018 6:38 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hardly... I wouldn't live in Florida if I was given that house for
>>>>> free. Florida is the last place I'd want to live for retirement.
>>>>>
>>>> So what? Ed and his wife don't want to live where they have to deal
>>>> with snow anymore, and I'm sure they don't want to mow acres of land.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> All the better for Florida that Popeye won't be going there.
>>>
>> Yes, I'm sure Ed is heaving a sigh of relief
>>
>All of Florida is heaving a sigh of relief! They won't be required to
>have basements in hurricane zones. (A ridiculous idea.)

But who's going to mow Florida now?

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:48:03 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/26/2018 7:38 PM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:19:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/26/2018 12:00 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually it's very easy to build a house with a basement in areas with
>>>> high water tables and/or very rocky areas... same way they do in many
>>>> large citys, they make a higher foundation with perhaps 4-5 steps to
>>>> the front door. They dig down to a certain depth and perhaps the
>>>> basement is half above ground.
>>>
>>> But one reason we are moving is to avoid steps.
>>
>> We live in a ranch, no steps, and rarely have a need to go in the
>> basement
>
>Then why all the fuss about having one?
>
>Jill

Many houses have attics that are rarely accessed but add greatly to
living comfort. Our basement is not finished for entertaining guests,
we go down to the basement perhaps four times a day, mostly to clean
the cat's litter pan twice a day, also to store and retrieve
groceries. There's a 2nd fridge and a high capacity washing machine
in the basement, and clotheslines. Our utilities are in the basement,
makes for easy access to plumbing, etc. A basement offers a lot
of storage space for bulky items. A basement makes it easy to
hardwire computers/TVs. But mostly living directly on a cement slab
in direct contact with the ground is not healthful.... it's like
living in a camping tent.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 20:55:13 -0400, wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:48:03 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 8/26/2018 7:38 PM, wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:19:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> But one reason we are moving is to avoid steps.
>>>
>>> We live in a ranch, no steps, and rarely have a need to go in the
>>> basement
>>
>>Then why all the fuss about having one?
>>
>>Jill
>
>Many houses have attics that are rarely accessed but add greatly to
>living comfort. Our basement is not finished for entertaining guests,
>we go down to the basement perhaps four times a day, mostly to clean
>the cat's litter pan twice a day, also to store and retrieve
>groceries.

Four times a day, yet you say you "rarely have a need to go in the
basement". A bit of consistency in your bullshit, please.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 07:57:11 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 10:34:24 AM UTC-4, Nancy2 wrote:
>> Cindy, sump pumps, if included in the original plans, add very little to the cost. They are
>> engineered and designed to turn on automatically when ground water trips a certain monitor,
>> do their magic, and then turn off.
>
>I once rented a house that when they dug the basement, they hit water.
>It had two full-time sump pumps and a battery backup.
>
>If there's no reason to dig deep footers (as in Florida), a basement with
>a high water table isn't worth the trouble.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Those lots are not a habital place to build a house even without a
basement... high water table water is polluted/filthy.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 6:31:16 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:06:05 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 9:46:19 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I hope there's a basement otherwise it's like living in the
>> >> garage.... I would never live in a house on a slab, a double wide
>> >> trailer up on blocks is better, at least it's off the ground. I don't
>> >> consider a house on a slab a house, it's a barn.
>> >>
>> >Houses with basements in Florida are as scarce as hens teeth. Here's
>> >a hint: sandy soil.
>>
>> Sandy soil costs less to excavate.
>>
>Maybe so, but you've got to constantly battle the sand caving in upon
>itself while digging out a basement. To thwart that problem gunite is
>used. Then you have to make sure there is no seepage from ground water
>since the water table is so high.
>
>Most people moving to Florida are trying to downsize and having a base-
>ment just encourages more junk to be stored. I have a daylight basement,
>aka a dugout, that is accessed from within the house. My water heater is
>down there along with my gas furnace which is suspended from the ceiling.
>I haven't been down there for a year and have no intention of going down
>there anytime soon. The only benefit, for me, of having a basement is
>it provides a place for those two appliances.

Sounds like Florida is not a habital place for anything but flamingos
and gaters... there's only swamp water

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 21:08:03 -0400, wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 6:31:16 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>
>>> Sandy soil costs less to excavate.
>>>
>>Maybe so, but you've got to constantly battle the sand caving in upon
>>itself while digging out a basement. To thwart that problem gunite is
>>used. Then you have to make sure there is no seepage from ground water
>>since the water table is so high.
>>
>>Most people moving to Florida are trying to downsize and having a base-
>>ment just encourages more junk to be stored. I have a daylight basement,
>>aka a dugout, that is accessed from within the house. My water heater is
>>down there along with my gas furnace which is suspended from the ceiling.
>>I haven't been down there for a year and have no intention of going down
>>there anytime soon. The only benefit, for me, of having a basement is
>>it provides a place for those two appliances.
>
>Sounds like Florida is not a habital place for anything but flamingos
>and gaters... there's only swamp water

If I had to choose between Florida and upstate NY or whatever it's
called, I'd pick Florida. It might not be unlike where I live now.

On 8/27/2018 8:55 PM, wrote:

>
> Many houses have attics that are rarely accessed but add greatly to
> living comfort. Our basement is not finished for entertaining guests,
> we go down to the basement perhaps four times a day, mostly to clean
> the cat's litter pan twice a day, also to store and retrieve
> groceries. There's a 2nd fridge and a high capacity washing machine
> in the basement, and clotheslines. Our utilities are in the basement,
> makes for easy access to plumbing, etc. A basement offers a lot
> of storage space for bulky items. A basement makes it easy to
> hardwire computers/TVs.

I mentioned we want to avoid steps. Everything you mentioned adds up to
many trips a week. Just laundry would be 6 or 8 trips down there. It
will be nice to have that on one floor.


> But mostly living directly on a cement slab
> in direct contact with the ground is not healthful.... it's like
> living in a camping tent.
>

Man lived in caves for millions of years. These days you can have tile,
carpet, wood above the ground. The builder promised to cover all the
dirt.

On 8/27/2018 8:55 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:48:03 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/26/2018 7:38 PM, wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:19:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/26/2018 12:00 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually it's very easy to build a house with a basement in areas with
>>>>> high water tables and/or very rocky areas... same way they do in many
>>>>> large citys, they make a higher foundation with perhaps 4-5 steps to
>>>>> the front door. They dig down to a certain depth and perhaps the
>>>>> basement is half above ground.
>>>>
>>>> But one reason we are moving is to avoid steps.
>>>
>>> We live in a ranch, no steps, and rarely have a need to go in the
>>> basement
>>
>> Then why all the fuss about having one?
>>
>> Jill
>
> Many houses have attics that are rarely accessed but add greatly to
> living comfort. Our basement is not finished for entertaining guests,
> we go down to the basement perhaps four times a day, mostly to clean
> the cat's litter pan twice a day, also to store and retrieve
> groceries. There's a 2nd fridge and a high capacity washing machine
> in the basement, and clotheslines. Our utilities are in the basement,
> makes for easy access to plumbing, etc. A basement offers a lot
> of storage space for bulky items. A basement makes it easy to
> hardwire computers/TVs. But mostly living directly on a cement slab
> in direct contact with the ground is not healthful.... it's like
> living in a camping tent.
>
Nothing you wrote makes me want to live in a house with a basement. Nor
does it explain why all houses should have one. I don't want a walk in
attic, either.

Jill

On 8/27/2018 8:34 PM, cshenk wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 8/26/2018 7:10 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> A basement can save you during hurricane season too and there
>>> are lots of hurricanes in Florida.
>>>
>> BZZZZZT! It's a really bad idea to go into a basement during a
>> hurricane. Not if you have common sense.
>>
>> Hurricanes involve torrential rain, high winds and potenial flooding.
>>
>> More than one person thought seeking shelter in a basement was a good
>> idea during Hurricane Sandy in 2012. It made landfall in the
>> Northeast. It was called a "Superstorm". It hit Coastal NY, NYC
>> boroughs, NJ. Drenching rain, damaging winds. And flooding. Many
>> people who went into basements during Sandy were trapped and drowned
>> in their own homes.
>>
>> When you're dealing with lots of water, you don't go downstairs.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Yup. Sheldon has to 100% wrong here.
>
> Areas prone to hurricanes tend to be low water table to start with so
> no basements. He' thinking northern 'nor easters' and dryer mid-west
> with lower water tables.
>
He's obviously just arguing for basements because he has one. If he was
in a hurricane zone he'd know better than to head underground. I hope.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/27/2018 8:55 PM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:48:03 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/26/2018 7:38 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:19:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/26/2018 12:00 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually it's very easy to build a house with a basement in areas
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> high water tables and/or very rocky areas... same way they do in many
>>>>>> large citys, they make a higher foundation with perhaps 4-5 steps to
>>>>>> the front door. They dig down to a certain depth and perhaps the
>>>>>> basement is half above ground.
>>>>>
>>>>> But one reason we are moving is to avoid steps.
>>>>
>>>> We live in a ranch, no steps, and rarely have a need to go in the
>>>> basement
>>>
>>> Then why all the fuss about having one?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Many houses have attics that are rarely accessed but add greatly to
>> living comfort. Our basement is not finished for entertaining guests,
>> we go down to the basement perhaps four times a day, mostly to clean
>> the cat's litter pan twice a day, also to store and retrieve
>> groceries. There's a 2nd fridge and a high capacity washing machine
>> in the basement, and clotheslines. Our utilities are in the basement,
>> makes for easy access to plumbing, etc. A basement offers a lot
>> of storage space for bulky items. A basement makes it easy to
>> hardwire computers/TVs. But mostly living directly on a cement slab
>> in direct contact with the ground is not healthful.... it's like
>> living in a camping tent.
>>
> Nothing you wrote makes me want to live in a house with a basement. Nor
> does it explain why all houses should have one. I don't want a walk in
> attic, either.
>
> Jill

Popeye just likes having a wet, moldy basement; it reminds him of all
the good times he spent in the bilges of navy ships.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/27/2018 8:55 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> Many houses have attics that are rarely accessed but add greatly to
>> living comfort. Our basement is not finished for entertaining guests,
>> we go down to the basement perhaps four times a day, mostly to clean
>> the cat's litter pan twice a day, also to store and retrieve
>> groceries. There's a 2nd fridge and a high capacity washing machine
>> in the basement, and clotheslines. Our utilities are in the basement,
>> makes for easy access to plumbing, etc. A basement offers a lot
>> of storage space for bulky items. A basement makes it easy to
>> hardwire computers/TVs.
>
> I mentioned we want to avoid steps. Everything you mentioned adds up to
> many trips a week. Just laundry would be 6 or 8 trips down there. It
> will be nice to have that on one floor.
>
>
>> But mostly living directly on a cement slab
>> in direct contact with the ground is not healthful.... it's like
>> living in a camping tent.
>>
>
> Man lived in caves for millions of years. These days you can have tile,
> carpet, wood above the ground. The builder promised to cover all the dirt.

Man, you really should have checked with Popeye before you signed up for
the house. Now that he has found it unlivable, what will you do?

On 2018-08-27 10:11 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>> Yup. Sheldon has to 100% wrong here.
>>
>> Areas prone to hurricanes tend to be low water table to start with so
>> no basements. He' thinking northern 'nor easters' and dryer mid-west
>> with lower water tables.
>>
> He's obviously just arguing for basements because he has one.Â* If he was
> in a hurricane zone he'd know better than to head underground. I hope.

In this part of the world houses have basements. If I lived in a
hurricane zone and had a basement it would be about the last place I
would head in a hurricane.

On 8/27/2018 10:15 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:

>>
>>
>>> But mostly living directly on a cement slab
>>> in direct contact with the ground is not healthful.... it's like
>>> living in a camping tent.
>>>
>>
>> Man lived in caves for millions of years.Â* These days you can have tile,
>> carpet, wood above the ground.Â* The builder promised to cover all the
>> dirt.
>
> Man, you really should have checked with Popeye before you signed up for
> the house. Now that he has found it unlivable, what will you do?
>
>
>
Maybe I can mow the grass there. Looks like plent of it in the video
https://www.privatecommunities.com/f...leaf/index.htm