On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 22:41:35 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-08-27 10:11 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>> Yup. Sheldon has to 100% wrong here.
>>>
>>> Areas prone to hurricanes tend to be low water table to start with so
>>> no basements. He' thinking northern 'nor easters' and dryer mid-west
>>> with lower water tables.
>>>
>> He's obviously just arguing for basements because he has one.* If he was
>> in a hurricane zone he'd know better than to head underground. I hope.
>
>In this part of the world houses have basements. If I lived in a
>hurricane zone and had a basement it would be about the last place I
>would head in a hurricane.

Another one who doesn't know that basements have drains.

wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 22:11:07 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/27/2018 8:34 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/26/2018 7:10 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A basement can save you during hurricane season too and there
>>>>> are lots of hurricanes in Florida.
>>>>>
>>>> BZZZZZT! It's a really bad idea to go into a basement during a
>>>> hurricane. Not if you have common sense.
>>>>
>>>> Hurricanes involve torrential rain, high winds and potenial flooding.
>>>>
>>>> More than one person thought seeking shelter in a basement was a good
>>>> idea during Hurricane Sandy in 2012. It made landfall in the
>>>> Northeast. It was called a "Superstorm". It hit Coastal NY, NYC
>>>> boroughs, NJ. Drenching rain, damaging winds. And flooding. Many
>>>> people who went into basements during Sandy were trapped and drowned
>>>> in their own homes.
>>>>
>>>> When you're dealing with lots of water, you don't go downstairs.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Yup. Sheldon has to 100% wrong here.
>>>
>>> Areas prone to hurricanes tend to be low water table to start with so
>>> no basements. He' thinking northern 'nor easters' and dryer mid-west
>>> with lower water tables.
>>>
>> He's obviously just arguing for basements because he has one. If he was
>> in a hurricane zone he'd know better than to head underground. I hope.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Most of the damage from Hurricane Sandy was erosion, not flooding. A
> few idiots near the Long Island beaches put in summer bungalows many
> years ago without permits, they had no basements, in fact they were up
> on driven pilings but the houses were lost from erosion
>
> All yoose are really dummies, basements have drains doncha know. Every
> building's basement in NYC drains into the city sewer system. Anyone
> having a house built no matter where make sure the builder puts
> a drain in the basement floor, the idea is to pipe water away from the
> house to a lower area. Typically the houses that flood have no
> basement as in Lousiana... NOLA was built on a flood plain, basements
> didn't flood, there were no basements, entire houses were under water
> to the roof tops. Morons got exactly what they deserve... the entire
> town went under water because it was constructed below sea level...
> the levees/dams were inadequate and collapsed.... any beaver can do
> better.
>
> The most common cause of water in a basement is inadequate rain
> gutters, they are not large enough to handle a heavy rain so water
> overflows the gutters and it pours on the round right next to the
> foundation and will soon seep under the basement floor and ooze into
> the basement... it won't flood but will damage anything on the
> basement floor. Builders usually cheap out on rain gutters figuring
> people don't know. Most of the cost of rain gutters is labor, larger
> capacity rain gutters don't cost much more but the labor is the same.
> Greater area roofs collect more water so need larger capacity rain
> gutters, over size down spouts too. I've never met anyone yet who
> lives in a slab house who knows much about construction... if they
> knew they wouldn't live in a slab house... yoose think an inch of
> water in a basement is the same as an inch of water sitting on your
> house slab. DUH
>

Ahh, Popeye the civil engineer.

Yoose knows everything!

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

>Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
>from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
>became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
>high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
>for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.
>
>I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
>around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
>Residential neighborhoods.
>
>N.

I'm on farmland/bottomland, 70 years ago when these houses
were built they installed French drains... the houses were built on
the highest points and before the water table rises under the house
the French drain directs it away to a lower point. Here that water
drains by a six inch pipe to a creek some 100' away. There's a large
grate in my basement floor covering a pit that connects to that French
drain pipe. The water from the dehumidifier, the RO water filter the
deep sink, and the washing machine in the basement all drain into that
pit and that grey water flows to the creek.

27 Aug 2018 John Kuthe wrote:
>Nancy2 wrote:
>> Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
>> from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
>> became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
>> high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
>> for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.
>>
>> I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
>> around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
>> Residential neighborhoods.
>
>How in the WORLD did this convo go from "May I put your penis in my mouth?" to arguments about hurricanes and basements?

You think you're hot stuff, when I was younger I would **** up a
storm.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 16:18:17 -0300, wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 6:31:16 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:06:05 -0700 (PDT), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 9:46:19 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I hope there's a basement otherwise it's like living in the
>>> >> garage.... I would never live in a house on a slab, a double wide
>>> >> trailer up on blocks is better, at least it's off the ground. I don't
>>> >> consider a house on a slab a house, it's a barn.
>>> >>
>>> >Houses with basements in Florida are as scarce as hens teeth. Here's
>>> >a hint: sandy soil.
>>>
>>> Sandy soil costs less to excavate.
>>>
>>Maybe so, but you've got to constantly battle the sand caving in upon
>>itself while digging out a basement. To thwart that problem gunite is
>>used. Then you have to make sure there is no seepage from ground water
>>since the water table is so high.
>>
>>Most people moving to Florida are trying to downsize and having a base-
>>ment just encourages more junk to be stored. I have a daylight basement,
>>aka a dugout, that is accessed from within the house. My water heater is
>>down there along with my gas furnace which is suspended from the ceiling.
>>I haven't been down there for a year and have no intention of going down
>>there anytime soon. The only benefit, for me, of having a basement is
>>it provides a place for those two appliances.
>
>If you had a sump pump in Florida the damn thing would be running
>nearly all the time.

Not all that long ago most of Florida was below sea level, now it's
built mainly on dredged sand that's pumped from the sea floor by giant
barges to use as fill. A good hurricane can put it all back below sea
level, another reason I wouldn't live on that swamp land.
The best kind of house on Florida is a houseboat. A fellow I worked
with lives on a lovely house boat... when he tires of the scenery he
can very easily move.

wrote:
> 27 Aug 2018 John Kuthe wrote:
>> Nancy2 wrote:
>>> Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
>>> from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
>>> became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
>>> high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
>>> for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.
>>>
>>> I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
>>> around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
>>> Residential neighborhoods.
>>
>> How in the WORLD did this convo go from "May I put your penis in my mouth?" to arguments about hurricanes and basements?
>
> You think you're hot stuff, when I was younger I would **** up a
> storm.
>

Popeye, yoose said yoose can still "splatter" yoose headboard, didn't yoose?

What recently happened to yoose big ole saw-seege?

wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> > wrote:
>
>> Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
>>from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
>> became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
>> high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
>> for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.
>>
>> I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
>> around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
>> Residential neighborhoods.
>>
>> N.
>
> I'm on farmland/bottomland, 70 years ago when these houses
> were built they installed French drains... the houses were built on
> the highest points and before the water table rises under the house
> the French drain directs it away to a lower point. Here that water
> drains by a six inch pipe to a creek some 100' away. There's a large
> grate in my basement floor covering a pit that connects to that French
> drain pipe. The water from the dehumidifier, the RO water filter the
> deep sink, and the washing machine in the basement all drain into that
> pit and that grey water flows to the creek.
>

Popeye, what if there are no french construction workers in the area?
Would yoose approve of jewish or asian or african drains?

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 18:38:51 -0400, wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 16:18:17 -0300, wrote:
>
>>If you had a sump pump in Florida the damn thing would be running
>>nearly all the time.
>
>Not all that long ago most of Florida was below sea level, now it's
>built mainly on dredged sand that's pumped from the sea floor by giant
>barges to use as fill. A good hurricane can put it all back below sea
>level, another reason I wouldn't live on that swamp land.
>The best kind of house on Florida is a houseboat. A fellow I worked
>with lives on a lovely house boat... when he tires of the scenery he
>can very easily move.

Most house boats can only do one thing after many years: stay put.

writes:
>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 16:18:17 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 6:31:16 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:06:05 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 9:46:19 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I hope there's a basement otherwise it's like living in the
>>>> >> garage.... I would never live in a house on a slab, a double wide
>>>> >> trailer up on blocks is better, at least it's off the ground. I don't
>>>> >> consider a house on a slab a house, it's a barn.
>>>> >>
>>>> >Houses with basements in Florida are as scarce as hens teeth. Here's
>>>> >a hint: sandy soil.
>>>>
>>>> Sandy soil costs less to excavate.
>>>>
>>>Maybe so, but you've got to constantly battle the sand caving in upon
>>>itself while digging out a basement. To thwart that problem gunite is
>>>used. Then you have to make sure there is no seepage from ground water
>>>since the water table is so high.
>>>
>>>Most people moving to Florida are trying to downsize and having a base-
>>>ment just encourages more junk to be stored. I have a daylight basement,
>>>aka a dugout, that is accessed from within the house. My water heater is
>>>down there along with my gas furnace which is suspended from the ceiling.
>>>I haven't been down there for a year and have no intention of going down
>>>there anytime soon. The only benefit, for me, of having a basement is
>>>it provides a place for those two appliances.
>>
>>If you had a sump pump in Florida the damn thing would be running
>>nearly all the time.
>
>Not all that long ago most of Florida was below sea level, now it's


oh FFS

On 2018-08-28 5:57 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 22:41:35 -0400, Dave Smith
a hurricane zone he'd know better than to head underground. I hope.
>>
>> In this part of the world houses have basements. If I lived in a
>> hurricane zone and had a basement it would be about the last place I
>> would head in a hurricane.
>
> Another one who doesn't know that basements have drains.


I live in a rural area and I have a basement, but there is no sewer
system for it to drain into. I have a sump pump. If we get a hurricane
and there is flooding the power is likely to be out, so no juice for the
sump pump.

>

On 8/28/2018 1:42 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 12:38:53 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 12:35:03 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ditto! Still jammin'?
>>
>> Is that 70s speak?
>>
> Barb is famous for her homemade jams and jellies.
>
The troll hasn't been around long enough to know. Her nickname is
"Melba's Jammin'" for a reason.

Jill

On 8/28/2018 3:05 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Druce"Â* wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 10:42:22 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 12:38:53 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 12:35:03 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Ditto!Â* Still jammin'?
>>>
>>> Is that 70s speak?
>>>
>> Barb is famous for her homemade jams and jellies.
>
> Oh ok, thanks I thought Jill was trying to be a cool bird or
> something.
>
> ===
>
> But, but ... Jill IS a cool bird dontchaknow???
>
>


Jill

I believe "The Zoo" which featured the Bronx Zoo was very enjoyable, but as far as I know they
Had one season, but are not showing any new ones at this time.

N.

On 8/28/2018 1:40 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 11:33:16 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>
>> On 8/28/2018 12:52 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>> Have you been watching "The Zoo"? One of the keepers has been nursing
>>> and spending a lot of time with an injured Flamingo. It is so cute when
>>> it sees her and hears her voice it comes running and dances around so
>>> excited. It clearly has a bond with the keeper.
>>>
>> I've seen a couple of episodes and really like the show but I keep
>> forgetting to watch! I don't have a DVR The flamingo sounds cute.
>> Birds do form bonds with caretakers.
>>
> I found it on YouTube.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-uEdEnXlJ4
>
>
How cute! Thanks.

Jill

On 8/28/2018 6:38 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 16:18:17 -0300, wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 6:31:16 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:06:05 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 9:46:19 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope there's a basement otherwise it's like living in the
>>>>>> garage.... I would never live in a house on a slab, a double wide
>>>>>> trailer up on blocks is better, at least it's off the ground. I don't
>>>>>> consider a house on a slab a house, it's a barn.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Houses with basements in Florida are as scarce as hens teeth. Here's
>>>>> a hint: sandy soil.
>>>>
>>>> Sandy soil costs less to excavate.
>>>>
>>> Maybe so, but you've got to constantly battle the sand caving in upon
>>> itself while digging out a basement. To thwart that problem gunite is
>>> used. Then you have to make sure there is no seepage from ground water
>>> since the water table is so high.
>>>
>>> Most people moving to Florida are trying to downsize and having a base-
>>> ment just encourages more junk to be stored. I have a daylight basement,
>>> aka a dugout, that is accessed from within the house. My water heater is
>>> down there along with my gas furnace which is suspended from the ceiling.
>>> I haven't been down there for a year and have no intention of going down
>>> there anytime soon. The only benefit, for me, of having a basement is
>>> it provides a place for those two appliances.
>>
>> If you had a sump pump in Florida the damn thing would be running
>> nearly all the time.
>
> Not all that long ago most of Florida was below sea level, now it's
> built mainly on dredged sand that's pumped from the sea floor by giant
> barges to use as fill.

I guess you never heard of Ponce de Leon. Heh.

> A good hurricane can put it all back below sea
> level, another reason I wouldn't live on that swamp land.

No, you'd just head to the basement and drown in the flood waters.

Jill

tert in seattle wrote:
> writes:
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 16:18:17 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 6:31:16 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:06:05 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 9:46:19 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope there's a basement otherwise it's like living in the
>>>>>>> garage.... I would never live in a house on a slab, a double wide
>>>>>>> trailer up on blocks is better, at least it's off the ground. I don't
>>>>>>> consider a house on a slab a house, it's a barn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Houses with basements in Florida are as scarce as hens teeth. Here's
>>>>>> a hint: sandy soil.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sandy soil costs less to excavate.
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe so, but you've got to constantly battle the sand caving in upon
>>>> itself while digging out a basement. To thwart that problem gunite is
>>>> used. Then you have to make sure there is no seepage from ground water
>>>> since the water table is so high.
>>>>
>>>> Most people moving to Florida are trying to downsize and having a base-
>>>> ment just encourages more junk to be stored. I have a daylight basement,
>>>> aka a dugout, that is accessed from within the house. My water heater is
>>>> down there along with my gas furnace which is suspended from the ceiling.
>>>> I haven't been down there for a year and have no intention of going down
>>>> there anytime soon. The only benefit, for me, of having a basement is
>>>> it provides a place for those two appliances.
>>>
>>> If you had a sump pump in Florida the damn thing would be running
>>> nearly all the time.
>>
>> Not all that long ago most of Florida was below sea level, now it's
>
>
> oh FFS
>

You know damn well the only reasonable place to live is in NY. *ANY
OTHER* location is worse than death.

It's like RO water filters ... all water is poisonous without RO filtering.

When are yoose gonna learn ... *POPEYE KNOWS EVERYTHING*

On 2018-08-28 7:46 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Tue 28 Aug 2018 04:03:28p, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> On 2018-08-28 5:57 PM, wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 22:41:35 -0400, Dave Smith a hurricane zone
>>> he'd know better than to head underground. I hope.
>>>>
>>>> In this part of the world houses have basements. If I lived in
>>>> a hurricane zone and had a basement it would be about the last
>>>> place I would head in a hurricane.
>>>
>>> Another one who doesn't know that basements have drains.
>>
>>
>> I live in a rural area and I have a basement, but there is no
>> sewer system for it to drain into. I have a sump pump. If we get a
>> hurricane and there is flooding the power is likely to be out, so
>> no juice for the sump pump.
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> I guess I was mistake, but I was under the impression you lived in an
> aea where there were no huricanes. We couldn't get a huricane here
> if my life depended on it. OTOH, tornados to occur on occasion.
> We're more likely to have kaboobs. There are no basements in our
> development, and rather few of them anywhere around Phoenix.
>

I said "if I lived in a hurricane zone". The only hurricane that has hot
this area in my lifetime was Hurricane Hazel in 1954.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/28/2018 6:38 PM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 16:18:17 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 6:31:16 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:06:05 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 9:46:19 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope there's a basement otherwise it's like living in the
>>>>>>> garage.... I would never live in a house on a slab, a double wide
>>>>>>> trailer up on blocks is better, at least it's off the ground. I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> consider a house on a slab a house, it's a barn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Houses with basements in Florida are as scarce as hens teeth. Here's
>>>>>> a hint: sandy soil.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sandy soil costs less to excavate.
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe so, but you've got to constantly battle the sand caving in upon
>>>> itself while digging out a basement. To thwart that problem gunite is
>>>> used. Then you have to make sure there is no seepage from ground water
>>>> since the water table is so high.
>>>>
>>>> Most people moving to Florida are trying to downsize and having a base-
>>>> ment just encourages more junk to be stored. I have a daylight
>>>> basement,
>>>> aka a dugout, that is accessed from within the house. My water
>>>> heater is
>>>> down there along with my gas furnace which is suspended from the
>>>> ceiling.
>>>> I haven't been down there for a year and have no intention of going
>>>> down
>>>> there anytime soon. The only benefit, for me, of having a basement is
>>>> it provides a place for those two appliances.
>>>
>>> If you had a sump pump in Florida the damn thing would be running
>>> nearly all the time.
>>
>> Not all that long ago most of Florida was below sea level, now it's
>> built mainly on dredged sand that's pumped from the sea floor by giant
>> barges to use as fill.
>
> I guess you never heard of Ponce de Leon. Heh.
>
>> A good hurricane can put it all back below sea
>> level, another reason I wouldn't live on that swamp land.
>
> No, you'd just head to the basement and drown in the flood waters.
>
> Jill

I knew a basement has good uses

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-08-28 5:57 PM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 22:41:35 -0400, Dave Smith
> a hurricane zone he'd know better than to head underground. I hope.
>>>
>>> In this part of the world houses have basements. If I lived in a
>>> hurricane zone and had a basement it would be about the last place I
>>> would head in a hurricane.
>>
>> Another one who doesn't know that basements have drains.
>
>
> I live in a rural area and I have a basement, but there is no sewer
> system for it to drain into. I have a sump pump. If we get a hurricane
> and there is flooding the power is likely to be out, so no juice for the
> sump pump.
>
>>
>

You'll just have to dig a canal since yoose don't have a creek like
Popeye uses with his frenchy drains.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:28:11 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/26/2018 6:38 PM, wrote:
>>
>> Hardly... I wouldn't live in Florida if I was given that house for
>> free. Florida is the last place I'd want to live for retirement.
>>
>So what? Ed and his wife don't want to live where they have to deal
>with snow anymore, and I'm sure they don't want to mow acres of land.
>
>Jill

You think Ed lived in antartica, he had some three months of snow
season a year and it didn't snow but a few times, no one lived in
igloos... and it was a lot less costly to have his driveway plowed
than moving. And he never mowed acres... he could have paid to have
his lot mowed, a whole lot less than moving and having to pay the
maintenence fee.
And the stairs thing is being exaggerated, when my mother got older
and had trouble with stairs they put in an electic lift right on the
staircase, was no big expense, and at most was used four times a day.
Eventually as she became more frail she didn't use it at all. My
father saw to her care, brought all her meals. One day when she was
pushing 85 he went down to the kitchen to bring her a bowl of jello
she had passed way. My father lasted two more years.

Many people they knew sold their home and moved south. Most who could
afford to moved back after about five years, they hated the constan
heat and they missed theri friends... at most friends visit once maybe
twice. I know a women I met on line, never met in person, she lived
all her life in Franklin Square, LI. When her only daughter married
and move to Nevada my friend sold her house and rented an apartmet in
nV to be near her daughter and the two grands. A year passed and her
daughter moved again, to Southern CA, so my friend moved again. Her
daughter moved like six more times, all job transfers. Eventually my
friend ran out of money and stamina and now lives alone in some texass
********, she can never afford to return to NY... I always tell people
to never move to be near your children, won't be too long they will
move. In Franklin Square, a lovely small city, she was a school
teacher with many friends, after moving most she never saw again. They
all promise to visit but they don't.
Even as a young man when I moved to SoCal for work all my friends
promised they'd visit. I drove back to NY a few times to visit them
but none visited me. In fact when one moves away friends don't even
phone anymore because mainly they didn't want the long distance phone
bills, and there were no PCs or cells back then... back then long
distance was rather pricy, but they didn't write either and a letter
only cost a 5¢ stamp then. I guess it was like I abandoned them so
the heck with me. I know I was better off without those fair weather
friends.
Anyway I'm very happy being in the Catskills for retirement, as a
young child I spent several summers here with my grandparents and as
I remember it was very happy times spending summers at my
grandparent's B&B, then known as a Tourist Home. I think what I miss
most is my grandmother's cooking, a fantastic cook, and my
grandfather's eating, he didn't eat anything, he ate everything. He
was a big strong man, worked as a plumber, carried all his tools and
supplies in burlap sacks on his back, just as he did in thr old
country, Latvia. My grand parnts arrived via Ellis Island, no
schneaking across the border. And they traveled by freighter ship,
lower orlop decks, penniless with only the clothes on their backs.
They worked hard and made a good life, they LOVED America. My father
arrived at Ellis Island at 14 years old. He had an older brother and
sister, they were murdered by the czar, never got a marked grave. When
WWI broke out my father joined the US Navy, he tried with all his
might to kill as many schtinkin japs as he could and he killed many.
He was Admiral Halseys personal body guard and had free reign to kill
japs. At 14 my father, Elushka, was a world class gymnist in Latvia.
Ellis Island changed his name to Ely. Personally I don't think
America killed nearly enough japs, ALL japs still HATE America.
And I still have my US Navy issued bayonet and were it legal I'd still
stick as many japs as I can because ALL japs are hoping to take over
the US

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 20:44:08 -0400, wrote:

<endless unread story>

Can you pinpoint the year when your brain got paralysed and you became
unable to take in new information?

> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:28:11 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 8/26/2018 6:38 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> Hardly... I wouldn't live in Florida if I was given that house for
>>> free. Florida is the last place I'd want to live for retirement.
>>>
>>So what? Ed and his wife don't want to live where they have to deal
>>with snow anymore, and I'm sure they don't want to mow acres of land.
>>
>>Jill
>
> You think Ed lived in antartica, he had some three months of snow
> season a year and it didn't snow but a few times, no one lived in
> igloos... and it was a lot less costly to have his driveway plowed
> than moving. And he never mowed acres... he could have paid to have
> his lot mowed, a whole lot less than moving and having to pay the
> maintenence fee.

My question to you is...Why the Hell do you care where Ed moves to? You're
not paying his bills or making decisions for him, so why not just put a sock
in it and tend to your own home.

Cheri

On 8/28/2018 5:57 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 22:41:35 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-08-27 10:11 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>> Yup. Sheldon has to 100% wrong here.
>>>>
>>>> Areas prone to hurricanes tend to be low water table to start with so
>>>> no basements. He' thinking northern 'nor easters' and dryer mid-west
>>>> with lower water tables.
>>>>
>>> He's obviously just arguing for basements because he has one.Â* If he was
>>> in a hurricane zone he'd know better than to head underground. I hope.
>>
>> In this part of the world houses have basements. If I lived in a
>> hurricane zone and had a basement it would be about the last place I
>> would head in a hurricane.
>
> Another one who doesn't know that basements have drains.
>

There are thousands of houses in Philadelphia that have no drain in the
basement. I've lived in a few of them.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 10:59:41 +1000, Druce >
wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 20:55:13 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:48:03 -0400, jmcquown >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/26/2018 7:38 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:19:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But one reason we are moving is to avoid steps.
>>>>
>>>> We live in a ranch, no steps, and rarely have a need to go in the
>>>> basement
>>>
>>>Then why all the fuss about having one?
>>>
>>>Jill
>>
>>Many houses have attics that are rarely accessed but add greatly to
>>living comfort. Our basement is not finished for entertaining guests,
>>we go down to the basement perhaps four times a day, mostly to clean
>>the cat's litter pan twice a day, also to store and retrieve
>>groceries.
>
>Four times a day, yet you say you "rarely have a need to go in the
>basement". A bit of consistency in your bullshit, please.

No one needs four trips to a washing machine each time... perhaps one
has a cheapo 30 year old washing machine

On 8/28/2018 7:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>>
>
> I said "if I lived in a hurricane zone". The only hurricane that has hot
> this area in my lifetime was Hurricane Hazel in 1954.

Funny you mention that as I just mentioned it to my wife from something
I read. We were vacationing at the New Jersey shore and had flooding in
the streets. I also read that one of the most popular girl's names
today is Hazel. .

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 21:09:12 -0400, wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 10:59:41 +1000, Druce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 20:55:13 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:48:03 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 8/26/2018 7:38 PM, wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:19:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> But one reason we are moving is to avoid steps.
>>>>>
>>>>> We live in a ranch, no steps, and rarely have a need to go in the
>>>>> basement
>>>>
>>>>Then why all the fuss about having one?
>>>>
>>>>Jill
>>>
>>>Many houses have attics that are rarely accessed but add greatly to
>>>living comfort. Our basement is not finished for entertaining guests,
>>>we go down to the basement perhaps four times a day, mostly to clean
>>>the cat's litter pan twice a day, also to store and retrieve
>>>groceries.
>>
>>Four times a day, yet you say you "rarely have a need to go in the
>>basement". A bit of consistency in your bullshit, please.
>
>No one needs four trips to a washing machine each time... perhaps one
>has a cheapo 30 year old washing machine

Maybe reread what you wrote?

On 8/28/2018 7:19 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>>> If you had a sump pump in Florida the damn thing would be running
>>> nearly all the time.
>>
>> Not all that long ago most of Florida was below sea level, now it's
>> built mainly on dredged sand that's pumped from the sea floor by giant
>> barges to use as fill.
>
> I guess you never heard of Ponce de Leon. Heh.
>
> Jill

Ponce was Spanish, but that is next door to France. He learned how to
make French drains and brought them to Florida and saved the land.

On 2018-08-28 5:07 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/28/2018 1:42 PM, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 12:38:53 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 12:35:03 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ditto!Â* Still jammin'?
>>>
>>> Is that 70s speak?
>>>
>> Barb is famous for her homemade jams and jellies.
>>
> The troll hasn't been around long enough to know.Â* Her nickname is
> "Melba's Jammin'" for a reason.
>
> Jill
and she usually shows up at this time of the year to tell us how many
trophies for preserves she has won in the local show.

wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:28:11 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/26/2018 6:38 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> Hardly... I wouldn't live in Florida if I was given that house for
>>> free. Florida is the last place I'd want to live for retirement.
>>>
>> So what? Ed and his wife don't want to live where they have to deal
>> with snow anymore, and I'm sure they don't want to mow acres of land.
>>
>> Jill
>
> You think Ed lived in antartica, he had some three months of snow
> season a year and it didn't snow but a few times, no one lived in
> igloos... and it was a lot less costly to have his driveway plowed
> than moving. And he never mowed acres... he could have paid to have
> his lot mowed, a whole lot less than moving and having to pay the
> maintenence fee.
> And the stairs thing is being exaggerated, when my mother got older
> and had trouble with stairs they put in an electic lift right on the
> staircase, was no big expense, and at most was used four times a day.
> Eventually as she became more frail she didn't use it at all. My
> father saw to her care, brought all her meals. One day when she was
> pushing 85 he went down to the kitchen to bring her a bowl of jello
> she had passed way. My father lasted two more years.
>
> Many people they knew sold their home and moved south. Most who could
> afford to moved back after about five years, they hated the constan
> heat and they missed theri friends... at most friends visit once maybe
> twice. I know a women I met on line, never met in person, she lived
> all her life in Franklin Square, LI. When her only daughter married
> and move to Nevada my friend sold her house and rented an apartmet in
> nV to be near her daughter and the two grands. A year passed and her
> daughter moved again, to Southern CA, so my friend moved again. Her
> daughter moved like six more times, all job transfers. Eventually my
> friend ran out of money and stamina and now lives alone in some texass
> ********, she can never afford to return to NY... I always tell people
> to never move to be near your children, won't be too long they will
> move. In Franklin Square, a lovely small city, she was a school
> teacher with many friends, after moving most she never saw again. They
> all promise to visit but they don't.
> Even as a young man when I moved to SoCal for work all my friends
> promised they'd visit. I drove back to NY a few times to visit them
> but none visited me. In fact when one moves away friends don't even
> phone anymore because mainly they didn't want the long distance phone
> bills, and there were no PCs or cells back then... back then long
> distance was rather pricy, but they didn't write either and a letter
> only cost a 5¢ stamp then. I guess it was like I abandoned them so
> the heck with me. I know I was better off without those fair weather
> friends.
> Anyway I'm very happy being in the Catskills for retirement, as a
> young child I spent several summers here with my grandparents and as
> I remember it was very happy times spending summers at my
> grandparent's B&B, then known as a Tourist Home. I think what I miss
> most is my grandmother's cooking, a fantastic cook, and my
> grandfather's eating, he didn't eat anything, he ate everything. He
> was a big strong man, worked as a plumber, carried all his tools and
> supplies in burlap sacks on his back, just as he did in thr old
> country, Latvia. My grand parnts arrived via Ellis Island, no
> schneaking across the border. And they traveled by freighter ship,
> lower orlop decks, penniless with only the clothes on their backs.
> They worked hard and made a good life, they LOVED America. My father
> arrived at Ellis Island at 14 years old. He had an older brother and
> sister, they were murdered by the czar, never got a marked grave. When
> WWI broke out my father joined the US Navy, he tried with all his
> might to kill as many schtinkin japs as he could and he killed many.
> He was Admiral Halseys personal body guard and had free reign to kill
> japs. At 14 my father, Elushka, was a world class gymnist in Latvia.
> Ellis Island changed his name to Ely. Personally I don't think
> America killed nearly enough japs, ALL japs still HATE America.
> And I still have my US Navy issued bayonet and were it legal I'd still
> stick as many japs as I can because ALL japs are hoping to take over
> the US
>

Hahaha, Popeye, yoose always good for a belly laugh!

Do yoose suppose we can just send all them japs to florida, since it
ain't fit for humans?

On 8/28/2018 8:53 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:28:11 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/26/2018 6:38 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hardly... I wouldn't live in Florida if I was given that house for
>>>> free.* Florida is the last place I'd want to live for retirement.
>>>>
>>> So what?* Ed and his wife don't want to live where they have to deal
>>> with snow anymore, and I'm sure they don't want to mow acres of land.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> You think Ed lived in antartica, he had some three months of snow
>> season a year and it didn't snow but a few times, no one lived in
>> igloos... and it was a lot less costly to have his driveway plowed
>> than moving.* And he never mowed acres... he could have paid to have
>> his lot mowed, a whole lot less than moving and having to pay the
>> maintenence fee.
>
> My question to you is...Why the Hell do you care where Ed moves to?
> You're not paying his bills or making decisions for him, so why not just
> put a sock in it and tend to your own home.
>
> Cheri
>
>
Really. Why is he so insistent about where Ed and his wife's new house is?

Jill

Cheri wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:28:11 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/26/2018 6:38 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hardly... I wouldn't live in Florida if I was given that house for
>>>> free. Florida is the last place I'd want to live for retirement.
>>>>
>>> So what? Ed and his wife don't want to live where they have to deal
>>> with snow anymore, and I'm sure they don't want to mow acres of land.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> You think Ed lived in antartica, he had some three months of snow
>> season a year and it didn't snow but a few times, no one lived in
>> igloos... and it was a lot less costly to have his driveway plowed
>> than moving. And he never mowed acres... he could have paid to have
>> his lot mowed, a whole lot less than moving and having to pay the
>> maintenence fee.
>
> My question to you is...Why the Hell do you care where Ed moves to?
> You're not paying his bills or making decisions for him, so why not just
> put a sock in it and tend to your own home.
>
> Cheri
>
>

The only place Popeye would have found acceptable is right next door to
him. And even then, *ONLY* if the man installed french drains and an RO
water filter, and drinks only walmart coffee.

He'd probably even have to have mechanical knees installed in his wife's
legs, or he'd never hear the end of it.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 20:51:16 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 8:59:55 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> I mentioned we want to avoid steps. Everything you mentioned adds up to
>> many trips a week. Just laundry would be 6 or 8 trips down there. It
>> will be nice to have that on one floor.
>>
>>
>My house is 90+ years old and everything is all on one floor and am I ever
>thankful! I do have that daylight basement and it has been a full year
>since I've been down there. Hopefully, it will be another year before I
>have to venture down there.

That's because you pay techs to monitor your utilities... because like
most you haven't a clue haw to maintaim your utilities/. Nowadays
very few can maintain their vehicles. Nowadays vehicles with software
and the manufactures only permiting dealers access. Just recently we
discoved that my wife's gas cap was defective,.. a new $19 gas cap
from Amazon solved the problem. A trip to the dealership would
have cost hundeda.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 22:00:27 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/27/2018 8:55 PM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:48:03 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/26/2018 7:38 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:19:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/26/2018 12:00 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually it's very easy to build a house with a basement in areas with
>>>>>> high water tables and/or very rocky areas... same way they do in many
>>>>>> large citys, they make a higher foundation with perhaps 4-5 steps to
>>>>>> the front door. They dig down to a certain depth and perhaps the
>>>>>> basement is half above ground.
>>>>>
>>>>> But one reason we are moving is to avoid steps.
>>>>
>>>> We live in a ranch, no steps, and rarely have a need to go in the
>>>> basement
>>>
>>> Then why all the fuss about having one?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Many houses have attics that are rarely accessed but add greatly to
>> living comfort. Our basement is not finished for entertaining guests,
>> we go down to the basement perhaps four times a day, mostly to clean
>> the cat's litter pan twice a day, also to store and retrieve
>> groceries. There's a 2nd fridge and a high capacity washing machine
>> in the basement, and clotheslines. Our utilities are in the basement,
>> makes for easy access to plumbing, etc. A basement offers a lot
>> of storage space for bulky items. A basement makes it easy to
>> hardwire computers/TVs. But mostly living directly on a cement slab
>> in direct contact with the ground is not healthful.... it's like
>> living in a camping tent.
>>
>Nothing you wrote makes me want to live in a house with a basement. Nor
>does it explain why all houses should have one. I don't want a walk in
>attic, either.
>
>Jill

You never purchased a house, you inherited one, you know nothing about
houses, absolutely NOTHING! And I know that for a fact from all the
SOS emails you sent me half a dozen times a day that you will forever
deny. You are a FAKE!!!

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 11:15:30 +1000, Druce >
wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 21:08:03 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 6:31:16 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sandy soil costs less to excavate.
>>>>
>>>Maybe so, but you've got to constantly battle the sand caving in upon
>>>itself while digging out a basement. To thwart that problem gunite is
>>>used. Then you have to make sure there is no seepage from ground water
>>>since the water table is so high.
>>>
>>>Most people moving to Florida are trying to downsize and having a base-
>>>ment just encourages more junk to be stored. I have a daylight basement,
>>>aka a dugout, that is accessed from within the house. My water heater is
>>>down there along with my gas furnace which is suspended from the ceiling.
>>>I haven't been down there for a year and have no intention of going down
>>>there anytime soon. The only benefit, for me, of having a basement is
>>>it provides a place for those two appliances.
>>
>>Sounds like Florida is not a habital place for anything but flamingos
>>and gaters... there's only swamp water
>
>If I had to choose between Florida and upstate NY or whatever it's
>called, I'd pick Florida. It might not be unlike where I live now.


Can you spell L I A R?

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 18:17:49 -0400, wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:
>
>>Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
>>from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
>>became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
>>high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
>>for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.
>>
>>I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
>>around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
>>Residential neighborhoods.
>>
>>N.
>
>I'm on farmland/bottomland, 70 years ago when these houses
>were built they installed French drains... the houses were built on
>the highest points and before the water table rises under the house
>the French drain directs it away to a lower point. Here that water
>drains by a six inch pipe to a creek some 100' away. There's a large
>grate in my basement floor covering a pit that connects to that French
>drain pipe. The water from the dehumidifier, the RO water filter the
>deep sink, and the washing machine in the basement all drain into that
>pit and that grey water flows to the creek.

So, you're draining waste water into a live creek. Nice. Sheldon the
polluter and destroyer of nature.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 16:08:24 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

>I believe "The Zoo" which featured the Bronx Zoo was very enjoyable, but as far as I know they
>Had one season, but are not showing any new ones at this time.
>
>N.
the Bronx Zoo is in reruns. There are 2 other zoo programs running.
One from London and the other from a southern state.

On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 6:08:29 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> I believe "The Zoo" which featured the Bronx Zoo was very enjoyable, but as far as I know they
> Had one season, but are not showing any new ones at this time.
>
> N.
>
Yes, what I've been seeing are reruns.

wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 20:51:16 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 8:59:55 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> I mentioned we want to avoid steps. Everything you mentioned adds up to
>>> many trips a week. Just laundry would be 6 or 8 trips down there. It
>>> will be nice to have that on one floor.
>>>
>>>
>> My house is 90+ years old and everything is all on one floor and am I ever
>> thankful! I do have that daylight basement and it has been a full year
>> since I've been down there. Hopefully, it will be another year before I
>> have to venture down there.
>
> That's because you pay techs to monitor your utilities... because like
> most you haven't a clue haw to maintaim your utilities/. Nowadays
> very few can maintain their vehicles. Nowadays vehicles with software
> and the manufactures only permiting dealers access. Just recently we
> discoved that my wife's gas cap was defective,.. a new $19 gas cap
> from Amazon solved the problem. A trip to the dealership would
> have cost hundeda.
>

Popeye, yoose wasted yoose money on amazon. An empty spinach can would
have fixed it much cheaper.

wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 22:00:27 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/27/2018 8:55 PM, wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:48:03 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/26/2018 7:38 PM, wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:19:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/26/2018 12:00 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually it's very easy to build a house with a basement in areas with
>>>>>>> high water tables and/or very rocky areas... same way they do in many
>>>>>>> large citys, they make a higher foundation with perhaps 4-5 steps to
>>>>>>> the front door. They dig down to a certain depth and perhaps the
>>>>>>> basement is half above ground.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But one reason we are moving is to avoid steps.
>>>>>
>>>>> We live in a ranch, no steps, and rarely have a need to go in the
>>>>> basement
>>>>
>>>> Then why all the fuss about having one?
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Many houses have attics that are rarely accessed but add greatly to
>>> living comfort. Our basement is not finished for entertaining guests,
>>> we go down to the basement perhaps four times a day, mostly to clean
>>> the cat's litter pan twice a day, also to store and retrieve
>>> groceries. There's a 2nd fridge and a high capacity washing machine
>>> in the basement, and clotheslines. Our utilities are in the basement,
>>> makes for easy access to plumbing, etc. A basement offers a lot
>>> of storage space for bulky items. A basement makes it easy to
>>> hardwire computers/TVs. But mostly living directly on a cement slab
>>> in direct contact with the ground is not healthful.... it's like
>>> living in a camping tent.
>>>
>> Nothing you wrote makes me want to live in a house with a basement. Nor
>> does it explain why all houses should have one. I don't want a walk in
>> attic, either.
>>
>> Jill
>
> You never purchased a house, you inherited one, you know nothing about
> houses, absolutely NOTHING! And I know that for a fact from all the
> SOS emails you sent me half a dozen times a day that you will forever
> deny. You are a FAKE!!!
>
>

Yoose tell her, Popeye! If she was as smart as yoose, she'd have a big
ole basemant, with all kinds of utilities and an RO filter, and french
drains.

She'd mow the whole damn golf course just for fun too.

On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 8:56:19 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 20:51:16 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >My house is 90+ years old and everything is all on one floor and am I ever
> >thankful! I do have that daylight basement and it has been a full year
> >since I've been down there. Hopefully, it will be another year before I
> >have to venture down there.
>
> That's because you pay techs to monitor your utilities... because like
> most you haven't a clue haw to maintain your utilities/. Nowadays
> very few can maintain their vehicles. Nowadays vehicles with software
> and the manufactures only permitting dealers access. Just recently we
> discovered that my wife's gas cap was defective,.. a new $19 gas cap
> from Amazon solved the problem. A trip to the dealership would
> have cost hundreds.
>
What ARE you blathering about? What utilities am I paying these mythical
techs to maintain? What gas cap are you raving about? My car has no gas
cap.

Have you been in Kuthe's Prozac?