On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 16:36:47 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/29/2018 4:19 PM, Druce wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>> Sounds like Florida is not a habital place for anything but flamingos
>>>>>>>>> and gaters... there's only swamp water
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I had to choose between Florida and upstate NY or whatever it's
>>>>>>>> called, I'd pick Florida. It might not be unlike where I live now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you spell L I A R?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you saying I'd choose New York state? Maybe in summer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why in summer?
>>>>
>>>> A bit warmer?
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, people that can try to escape the heat and humidity as far as I know,
>>> which isn't much about NY.
>>
>> I'd want to escape the winters and autumns of where Sheldon lives. I'd
>> be happy to pay for that with a bit too much heat and humidity. Like
>> in Florida or where we live now.
>>
>
>Mid September to November are very nice in NY State and most places at
>that latitude. Mid December to mid March is cold, dark, even depressing
>for some.

I like heat and I don't like cold nights. Not under 16C (61F), please.
I think NY State might only have that in summer. Just guessing here.

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 20:37:45 -0000 (UTC), Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Wed 29 Aug 2018 10:00:25a, U.S. Janet B. told us...
>
>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 08:17:01 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>US Janet, I believe that is what I said about zoo programs,
>>>already. The Cleveland one, the Chester one, and no new Bronx
>>>ones.
>>>
>>>N.
>>
>> sorry, I'm weaning myself from this newsgroup so I don't see
>> everything. It's not like I'm a prude and don't know the words
>> and concepts, it's just so tedious when the crap from the "I can
>> shock you with my filth group" goes on for a couple of weeks at a
>> time.
>>
>Janet, I would be very sorry to see you leave. I hope it's not
>permanent. I do understand, as I left RFC for several years for the
>same reason but eventually returned.

I don't need the crassness of some, but Wayne's pompousness is
annoying too.

Basically, it's a cuckoo's nest here.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 21:06:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/28/2018 5:57 PM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 22:41:35 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-08-27 10:11 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yup. Sheldon has to 100% wrong here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Areas prone to hurricanes tend to be low water table to start with so
>>>>> no basements. He' thinking northern 'nor easters' and dryer mid-west
>>>>> with lower water tables.
>>>>>
>>>> He's obviously just arguing for basements because he has one.* If he was
>>>> in a hurricane zone he'd know better than to head underground. I hope.
>>>
>>> In this part of the world houses have basements. If I lived in a
>>> hurricane zone and had a basement it would be about the last place I
>>> would head in a hurricane.
>>
>> Another one who doesn't know that basements have drains.
>>
>
>There are thousands of houses in Philadelphia that have no drain in the
>basement. I've lived in a few of them.

I would think Philly has city sewers, if so that's part of the
basement drainage system. There's usually a drain in the floor but
many people never notice it or even look for it. it's not very
noticeable because it's small, usually a 6" rusty steel plate with a
pattern of 1/4" holes, laying flat on the concrete floor. Very often
they become covered with dust and other schmutz and go unseen.

If there's an outside entrance to the basement the drain is typically
at the bottom of the steps from that door because often that's the
lowest point and where rain water enters. The drain would normally be
closest to the roadway in front because on each street that's where
the sewer main is buried, with a buried pipe from each house connected
to the main. The basment drain is connected to the house main long
before it gets to the sewer main in the road. If Philly has a city
sewer system and most houses have basements I'm certain there are
basement drains, you just didn't notice. Very often it becomes hidden
by a stack of shelving or an old chest of drawers used for storing
dreck. A lot of older city houses have the garage in front with it
being an outside entrance to the basement, usually with a concrete
rampway. The basement drain would be at the lowest point in the
garage floor because the basment floor would be pitched to the garage.
The city sewer department maintains maps of the entire system
including where every basement drain is located. Whenever anyone
moves in it's a good idea to ask where it's located. Some imbeciles
have been known to cover the basement drain with carpeting, a rubber
mat, and other things that prevent the drain from draining because
rumors spread that gaters, rats, and water moccasins live in city
sewer systems.

On 2018-08-29 4:27 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


> Everybody's different. You couldn't pay me to live in Florida. Sheldon's
> winters are a little too cold for me. I wouldn't want to give up May and
> October in Michigan, when the weather is comfortably cool and dry. Nor
> would I want to entirely forego the cold of winter and heat of summer.
> I appear to live in the ideal place for me. Luckily, I was born here.

I imagine that Sheldon's winter is similar to yours and mine. I am in
the middle of the Niagara Peninsula. Winters are not terrible harsh. We
get the odd cold snap, but most of the winter hovers around 20F. We get
enough snow to make it look less dismal. I think the nice days in
September and October are the best of the year.

I have no interest in living further north. There is some truth to the
saying about it being a dry cold so you don't notice it as much, but
when it is that cold it is too cold to have moisture in the air. I spent
a week and half in Winnipeg one December and it was -40. That is
horrible cold. We start getting heat alerts when it is in the 80s.

There is a lot to be said for living in a moderate climate with four
seasons.

On 2018-08-29 4:36 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> I'd want to escape the winters and autumns of where Sheldon lives. I'd
>> be happy to pay for that with a bit too much heat and humidity. Like
>> in Florida or where we live now.
>>
>
> Mid September to November are very nice in NY State and most places at
> that latitude.Â* Mid December to mid March is cold, dark, even depressing
> for some.

It's not so bad in December. It's nice to see the snow arrive, and it
usually looks quite pretty when there is fresh snow. The temperature
bounces up and down. January and February tend to be cold. By the time
March comes along we are fed up with the cold and the short days and
want to see the green grass and feel the warmth.

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:18:41 -0400, wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 21:06:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 8/28/2018 5:57 PM, wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 22:41:35 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In this part of the world houses have basements. If I lived in a
>>>> hurricane zone and had a basement it would be about the last place I
>>>> would head in a hurricane.
>>>
>>> Another one who doesn't know that basements have drains.
>>>
>>
>>There are thousands of houses in Philadelphia that have no drain in the
>>basement. I've lived in a few of them.
>
>I would think Philly has city sewers, if so that's part of the
>basement drainage system. There's usually a drain in the floor but
>many people never notice it or even look for it.

Is it fair to say that drains are your theme of the week?

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:28:53 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-08-29 4:36 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

No, Ed didn't write this, Druce did. Learn to quote, Dave.

>>> I'd want to escape the winters and autumns of where Sheldon lives. I'd
>>> be happy to pay for that with a bit too much heat and humidity. Like
>>> in Florida or where we live now.
>>>
>>
>> Mid September to November are very nice in NY State and most places at
>> that latitude.* Mid December to mid March is cold, dark, even depressing
>> for some.
>
>It's not so bad in December. It's nice to see the snow arrive, and it
>usually looks quite pretty when there is fresh snow. The temperature
>bounces up and down. January and February tend to be cold. By the time
>March comes along we are fed up with the cold and the short days and
>want to see the green grass and feel the warmth.

On 2018-08-29 5:30 PM, and asshole hiding under the name Tuco Salamanca
wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:28:53 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-08-29 4:36 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> No, Ed didn't write this, Druce did. Learn to quote, Dave.
>
>>>> I'd want to escape the winters and autumns of where Sheldon lives. I'd
>>>> be happy to pay for that with a bit too much heat and humidity. Like
>>>> in Florida or where we live now.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mid September to November are very nice in NY State and most places at
>>> that latitude.Â* Mid December to mid March is cold, dark, even depressing
>>> for some.
>>
>> It's not so bad in December. It's nice to see the snow arrive, and it
>> usually looks quite pretty when there is fresh snow. The temperature
>> bounces up and down. January and February tend to be cold. By the time
>> March comes along we are fed up with the cold and the short days and
>> want to see the green grass and feel the warmth.

Excuse the hell out of me not quoting the entire 5 previous posts. Only
a fool would not realize the single carets were the part attributed to
Ed. Feel free to fit the bill.

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:37:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-08-29 5:30 PM, and asshole hiding under the name Tuco Salamanca
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:28:53 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-08-29 4:36 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> No, Ed didn't write this, Druce did. Learn to quote, Dave.
>>
>>>>> I'd want to escape the winters and autumns of where Sheldon lives. I'd
>>>>> be happy to pay for that with a bit too much heat and humidity. Like
>>>>> in Florida or where we live now.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mid September to November are very nice in NY State and most places at
>>>> that latitude.* Mid December to mid March is cold, dark, even depressing
>>>> for some.
>>>
>>> It's not so bad in December. It's nice to see the snow arrive, and it
>>> usually looks quite pretty when there is fresh snow. The temperature
>>> bounces up and down. January and February tend to be cold. By the time
>>> March comes along we are fed up with the cold and the short days and
>>> want to see the green grass and feel the warmth.
>
>Excuse the hell out of me not quoting the entire 5 previous posts. Only
>a fool would not realize the single carets were the part attributed to
>Ed. Feel free to fit the bill.

Just quote correctly, it's really not hard. If you remove someone's
text, also remove the attribution line. If you remove the attribution
line, also remove the text.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 17:40:58 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
>>>from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
>>> became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
>>> high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
>>> for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.
>>>
>>> I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
>>> around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
>>> Residential neighborhoods.
>>>
>>> N.
>>
>> I'm on farmland/bottomland, 70 years ago when these houses
>> were built they installed French drains... the houses were built on
>> the highest points and before the water table rises under the house
>> the French drain directs it away to a lower point. Here that water
>> drains by a six inch pipe to a creek some 100' away. There's a large
>> grate in my basement floor covering a pit that connects to that French
>> drain pipe. The water from the dehumidifier, the RO water filter the
>> deep sink, and the washing machine in the basement all drain into that
>> pit and that grey water flows to the creek.
>>
>
>Popeye, what if there are no french construction workers in the area?

There are lots of French female hardhat workers here, mainly plumber
ladies who are experts at sucking up excess liquid accumulations. They
belong to the WRRU...Women's Roto-Rooter Union. They have a motto:
Gauranteed Flow Or No Dough.

>Would yoose approve of jewish or asian or african drains?

If they had big bazooms... I don't care about a woman's ethnicity, I
don't even see skin color on women, that's not what my eyes focus on.
Yoose know those Arby's ads, where do you think my mind goes when I
hear WE HAVE THE MEAT? I'm thinking drop those cannons on me!

Druce wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:18:41 -0400, wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 21:06:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/28/2018 5:57 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 22:41:35 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In this part of the world houses have basements. If I lived in a
>>>>> hurricane zone and had a basement it would be about the last place I
>>>>> would head in a hurricane.
>>>>
>>>> Another one who doesn't know that basements have drains.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are thousands of houses in Philadelphia that have no drain in the
>>> basement. I've lived in a few of them.
>>
>> I would think Philly has city sewers, if so that's part of the
>> basement drainage system. There's usually a drain in the floor but
>> many people never notice it or even look for it.
>
> Is it fair to say that drains are your theme of the week?
>

Definitely, but they *must* be French!

On 2018-08-29 5:44 PM, nymshifting Tuco Salamanca wrote:

>> Excuse the hell out of me not quoting the entire 5 previous posts. Only
>> a fool would not realize the single carets were the part attributed to
>> Ed. Feel free to fit the bill.
>
> Just quote correctly, it's really not hard. If you remove someone's
> text, also remove the attribution line. If you remove the attribution
> line, also remove the text.
>

Enjoy your time in there with your other names.

wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 17:40:58 -0500, Hank Rogers >
> wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
>>> >from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
>>>> became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
>>>> high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
>>>> for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.
>>>>
>>>> I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
>>>> around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
>>>> Residential neighborhoods.
>>>>
>>>> N.
>>>
>>> I'm on farmland/bottomland, 70 years ago when these houses
>>> were built they installed French drains... the houses were built on
>>> the highest points and before the water table rises under the house
>>> the French drain directs it away to a lower point. Here that water
>>> drains by a six inch pipe to a creek some 100' away. There's a large
>>> grate in my basement floor covering a pit that connects to that French
>>> drain pipe. The water from the dehumidifier, the RO water filter the
>>> deep sink, and the washing machine in the basement all drain into that
>>> pit and that grey water flows to the creek.
>>>
>>
>
>> Would yoose approve of jewish or asian or african drains?
>
> If they had big bazooms... I don't care about a woman's ethnicity, I
> don't even see skin color on women, that's not what my eyes focus on.
> Yoose know those Arby's ads, where do you think my mind goes when I
> hear WE HAVE THE MEAT? I'm thinking drop those cannons on me!
>

So, tell me Popeye ... Why did yoose marry a woman with size C cup ?

It sho ain't big bazooms.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/29/2018 4:19 PM, Druce wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>> Sounds like Florida is not a habital place for anything but
>>>>>>>>> flamingos
>>>>>>>>> and gaters... there's only swamp water
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I had to choose between Florida and upstate NY or whatever it's
>>>>>>>> called, I'd pick Florida. It might not be unlike where I live now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you spell L I A R?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you saying I'd choose New York state? Maybe in summer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why in summer?
>>>>
>>>> A bit warmer?
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, people that can try to escape the heat and humidity as far as I
>>> know,
>>> which isn't much about NY.
>>
>> I'd want to escape the winters and autumns of where Sheldon lives. I'd
>> be happy to pay for that with a bit too much heat and humidity. Like
>> in Florida or where we live now.
>>
>
> Mid September to November are very nice in NY State and most places at
> that latitude. Mid December to mid March is cold, dark, even depressing
> for some.


I'm a winter person, never depressing to me.

Cheri

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-08-29 5:44 PM, nymshifting Tuco Salamanca wrote:
>
>>> Excuse the hell out of me not quoting the entire 5 previous posts. Only
>>> a fool would not realize the single carets were the part attributed to
>>> Ed. Feel free to fit the bill.
>>
>> Just quote correctly, it's really not hard. If you remove someone's
>> text, also remove the attribution line. If you remove the attribution
>> line, also remove the text.
>>
>
> Enjoy your time in there with your other names.

I see that type of misquote often, and just figure that I can't see who
got snipped.

The only posts that are really confusing is Ophelia ... I can't figure
who said what! I guess her newsreader is a strange one.

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:41:53 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>
>> Mid September to November are very nice in NY State and most places at
>> that latitude. Mid December to mid March is cold, dark, even depressing
>> for some.
>
>
>I'm a winter person, never depressing to me.

Isn't a winter person in the wrong state in California?

I'd move further north than where we are now, towards the tropics, so
that the nights aren't so cold in winter. But I'd be on my own

Druce wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:41:53 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Mid September to November are very nice in NY State and most places at
>>> that latitude. Mid December to mid March is cold, dark, even depressing
>>> for some.
>>
>>
>> I'm a winter person, never depressing to me.
>
> Isn't a winter person in the wrong state in California?
>
> I'd move further north than where we are now, towards the tropics, so
> that the nights aren't so cold in winter. But I'd be on my own
>

Northern California has some nice cold weather, particularly in the
mountains. And it's beautiful.

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:59:52 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>Druce wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:41:53 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Mid September to November are very nice in NY State and most places at
>>>> that latitude. Mid December to mid March is cold, dark, even depressing
>>>> for some.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a winter person, never depressing to me.
>>
>> Isn't a winter person in the wrong state in California?
>>
>> I'd move further north than where we are now, towards the tropics, so
>> that the nights aren't so cold in winter. But I'd be on my own
>>
>
>Northern California has some nice cold weather, particularly in the
>mountains. And it's beautiful.

Yes, I've seen footage of that.

Cheri, I am with you. I hate the 80s temps and higher...I just stay in the AC until it gets cooler.
I love me some winter...not so fond of snow and ice, but if those come with winter temps, I
will take them gladly.

1. You can always put on more clothes.
2. You cannot always take off enough clothing to get cool.
3. Meat keeps longer in the cold. We are made out of meat.

N.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 20:23:51 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 18:17:49 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:
>>
>>>Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
>>>from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
>>>became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
>>>high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
>>>for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.
>>>
>>>I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
>>>around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
>>>Residential neighborhoods.
>>>
>>>N.
>>
>>I'm on farmland/bottomland, 70 years ago when these houses
>>were built they installed French drains... the houses were built on
>>the highest points and before the water table rises under the house
>>the French drain directs it away to a lower point. Here that water
>>drains by a six inch pipe to a creek some 100' away. There's a large
>>grate in my basement floor covering a pit that connects to that French
>>drain pipe. The water from the dehumidifier, the RO water filter the
>>deep sink, and the washing machine in the basement all drain into that
>>pit and that grey water flows to the creek.
>
>So, you're draining waste water into a live creek. Nice. Sheldon the
>polluter and destroyer of nature.

Grey water doesn't pollute. Gray water is what people collect from
their roof to water plants, it contains insects and lots of bird
poop... excellent organic fertilizer. Do you really think birds and
other critters don't poop on farmland... and the imbeciles pay more
for what they perceive to be organic... all that farm equipment is
diesel. that's definitely NOT organic.
RO waste water contains minerals, the minerals from my well water,
same as what's in the creek anyway.
Modern Laundry soaps biodegrade, no different from critter poop in the
creek. People have been scrubbing clothes in the rivers since
forever.
I'm not dumping petro distillates, heavy metals, radio active
materials, or any toxins. The health departments and other agencies
are very aware of grey water dumping in bodies of running water in
rural areas, not nearly enough concentration to have any negative
affect whatsoever. That creek eventually flows to the Hudson River,
now that's polluted with all kinds of industrial waste, if anything
our bit of grey water helps dilute that filthy river water.

in the creek

"Druce" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:41:53 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Mid September to November are very nice in NY State and most places at
>>> that latitude. Mid December to mid March is cold, dark, even depressing
>>> for some.
>>
>>
>>I'm a winter person, never depressing to me.
>
> Isn't a winter person in the wrong state in California?
>
> I'd move further north than where we are now, towards the tropics, so
> that the nights aren't so cold in winter. But I'd be on my own


Yes, I am definitely in the wrong state, used to be in the Pacific
Northwest.

Cheri

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
> Cheri, I am with you. I hate the 80s temps and higher...I just stay in
> the AC until it gets cooler.
> I love me some winter...not so fond of snow and ice, but if those come
> with winter temps, I
> will take them gladly.
>
> 1. You can always put on more clothes.
> 2. You cannot always take off enough clothing to get cool.
> 3. Meat keeps longer in the cold. We are made out of meat.
>
> N.


LOL Nancy, how true. Now that I'm older I wouldn't necessarily want to deal
with snow and ice, but as long as I could hire it done and didn't have to
drive in it, it would be great.

Cheri

28 Aug 2018Hank Rogers wrote:
>penmart wrote:
>>John Kuthe wrote:
>>>Nancy2 wrote:
>>>> Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
>>>> from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
>>>> became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
>>>> high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
>>>> for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.
>>>>
>>>> I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
>>>> around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
>>>> Residential neighborhoods.
>>>
>>> How in the WORLD did this convo go from "May I put your penis in my mouth?" to arguments about hurricanes and basements?
>>
>> You think you're hot stuff, when I was younger I would **** up a
>> storm.
>
>Popeye, yoose said yoose can still "splatter" yoose headboard, didn't yoose?
>What recently happened to yoose big ole saw-seege?

Not every night anymore... however early mornings are still very good.
A night's sleep charges my battrees (Brooklynese for batterys).

Cheri wrote:
> "Druce" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:41:53 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Mid September to November are very nice in NY State and most places at
>>>> that latitude. Mid December to mid March is cold, dark, even
>>>> depressing
>>>> for some.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a winter person, never depressing to me.
>>
>> Isn't a winter person in the wrong state in California?
>>
>> I'd move further north than where we are now, towards the tropics, so
>> that the nights aren't so cold in winter. But I'd be on my own
>
>
> Yes, I am definitely in the wrong state, used to be in the Pacific
> Northwest.
>
> Cheri

I was there for a few years. It doesn't get very cold on the western
coast, but I think places east of the cascades can dip pretty low.

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 08:44:12 +1000, Druce >
wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 18:38:51 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 16:18:17 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>If you had a sump pump in Florida the damn thing would be running
>>>nearly all the time.
>>
>>Not all that long ago most of Florida was below sea level, now it's
>>built mainly on dredged sand that's pumped from the sea floor by giant
>>barges to use as fill. A good hurricane can put it all back below sea
>>level, another reason I wouldn't live on that swamp land.
>>The best kind of house on Florida is a houseboat. A fellow I worked
>>with lives on a lovely house boat... when he tires of the scenery he
>>can very easily move.
>
>Most house boats can only do one thing after many years: stay put.

That was in the days of wooden boats. Birch bark canoes are short
lived too, but an Aluminum Grummen cannoe will last three lifetimes,
unless your ex sells it on yoose.

"Hank Rogers" > wrote in message
news
> Cheri wrote:
>> "Druce" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:41:53 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Mid September to November are very nice in NY State and most places at
>>>>> that latitude. Mid December to mid March is cold, dark, even
>>>>> depressing
>>>>> for some.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm a winter person, never depressing to me.
>>>
>>> Isn't a winter person in the wrong state in California?
>>>
>>> I'd move further north than where we are now, towards the tropics, so
>>> that the nights aren't so cold in winter. But I'd be on my own
>>
>>
>> Yes, I am definitely in the wrong state, used to be in the Pacific
>> Northwest.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I was there for a few years. It doesn't get very cold on the western
> coast, but I think places east of the cascades can dip pretty low.


No, the western coast is mostly rain. The Hood mountain area can get cold.


Cheri

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 16:36:58 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Druce" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:41:53 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Mid September to November are very nice in NY State and most places at
>>>> that latitude. Mid December to mid March is cold, dark, even depressing
>>>> for some.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm a winter person, never depressing to me.
>>
>> Isn't a winter person in the wrong state in California?
>>
>> I'd move further north than where we are now, towards the tropics, so
>> that the nights aren't so cold in winter. But I'd be on my own
>
>
>Yes, I am definitely in the wrong state, used to be in the Pacific
>Northwest.

Without looking it up and based on my poor knowledge of US topology,
I'd say that's near Seattle?

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 16:15:12 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

>Cheri, I am with you. I hate the 80s temps and higher...I just stay in the AC until it gets cooler.
>I love me some winter...not so fond of snow and ice, but if those come with winter temps, I
>will take them gladly.

I hate AC. We use it 3 days a year for cooling, when it goes over 35C
(95F).

>1. You can always put on more clothes.
>2. You cannot always take off enough clothing to get cool.
>3. Meat keeps longer in the cold. We are made out of meat.

Meat is dead, we're not.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 18:53:21 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>tert in seattle wrote:
>> writes:
>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 16:18:17 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 6:31:16 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:06:05 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 9:46:19 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope there's a basement otherwise it's like living in the
>>>>>>>> garage.... I would never live in a house on a slab, a double wide
>>>>>>>> trailer up on blocks is better, at least it's off the ground. I don't
>>>>>>>> consider a house on a slab a house, it's a barn.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Houses with basements in Florida are as scarce as hens teeth. Here's
>>>>>>> a hint: sandy soil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandy soil costs less to excavate.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe so, but you've got to constantly battle the sand caving in upon
>>>>> itself while digging out a basement. To thwart that problem gunite is
>>>>> used. Then you have to make sure there is no seepage from ground water
>>>>> since the water table is so high.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most people moving to Florida are trying to downsize and having a base-
>>>>> ment just encourages more junk to be stored. I have a daylight basement,
>>>>> aka a dugout, that is accessed from within the house. My water heater is
>>>>> down there along with my gas furnace which is suspended from the ceiling.
>>>>> I haven't been down there for a year and have no intention of going down
>>>>> there anytime soon. The only benefit, for me, of having a basement is
>>>>> it provides a place for those two appliances.
>>>>
>>>> If you had a sump pump in Florida the damn thing would be running
>>>> nearly all the time.
>>>
>>> Not all that long ago most of Florida was below sea level, now it's
>>
>>
>> oh FFS
>>
>
>You know damn well the only reasonable place to live is in NY. *ANY
>OTHER* location is worse than death.
>
>It's like RO water filters ... all water is poisonous without RO filtering.
>
>When are yoose gonna learn ... *POPEYE KNOWS EVERYTHING*

Not true... what little I know I know well but there're many more
topics I know little to nothing about. Don't ask me about movies,
music (except for Oldies and Doo Wop), and especially don't ask me
about sporting events, most especially don't ask me about ball games,
I know a little about old timey baseball from once being a devout
Dodger fan (seems I did have religion), but when my bums deserted
Ebbets Field and of all places moved to californicationia to me that
was the day baseball died. I know nothing about basket ball,
football, and hokey, or is that hockey? My ball game, I can shoot a
pretty good game of pool, I played a lot of hooky, or is that hockey,
in NYC pool halls... I think they made a movie about me played by The
Great One. As for bowling, I'm the gutter ball champ, only reason to
find me at bowling alleys is many in NYC were also a fine pool hall,
profits from bowlers paid for the finast slate pool tables. And
bowling alleys featured females, girls bowl, no wimmins in real pool
halls... how can a guy concentrate on a shot with titties in his face?
The ball games I did know were stick ball and stoop ball, box ball,
even hit the stick/penny. I knew all the NYC street games. potsy.,
skelly, and many others. as a preteen through teenage years my best
friend was a tomboy, Sydele Elkin was my roller skating partner at
Park Circle, the rink at Prospect Park, we'd skate dance every
Saturday. Sydele was very good at all the boy's game, in fact better
than most. It wasn't until we both reached 14 years old that
I noticed that she's a girl, and she noticed I was a guy. But being
besties the most we did was a little necking/kissing, I never even
felt her bosoms and she grew a good sized pair. She lived across the
street and so that was the school boundry, we went to different
schools so grew apart. I don't know what happened to her, I even
searched on line but nothing, like most girls she married and changed
her name.
Sydele was my bike riding partner too, we pedaled all over NYC
together. And she was one tough chick, she knew how to fight, I pity
the guy who'd mess with her. We grew up together. I miss her.
She had two brothers, I can't find Bert and Alan Elkin either, least
not the right ones. I tried to locate Sydele a few times over the
years but no luck, We were both ten years old when we met, that was
65 years ago. I'd just like to know if she's alive and well. If
she's in need of anything I would help her, I truly miss her.

If I could I'd pass a law that girls can't change their name when they
marry... I can't understand why women get to change their name when
they marry, that makes no sense whatsoever to me... it's like when
women marry they die. That's like when American women marry they
are autimatically converted to being mooslim. I think in America
women should keep their birth name for their entire life, otherwise
women become chatel. Makes no sense that women do that hyphenated BS.
keep your birth name the same as men, otherwis you are lower than
human. When I see women with hyphenated names I think insects, larva.

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:35:06 -0400, wrote:

>When I see women with hyphenated names I think insects, larva.

Mrs Dung-Beetle, for instance?

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 19:26:00 -0400, wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 20:23:51 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 18:17:49 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
>>>>from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
>>>>became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
>>>>high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
>>>>for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.
>>>>
>>>>I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
>>>>around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
>>>>Residential neighborhoods.
>>>>
>>>>N.
>>>
>>>I'm on farmland/bottomland, 70 years ago when these houses
>>>were built they installed French drains... the houses were built on
>>>the highest points and before the water table rises under the house
>>>the French drain directs it away to a lower point. Here that water
>>>drains by a six inch pipe to a creek some 100' away. There's a large
>>>grate in my basement floor covering a pit that connects to that French
>>>drain pipe. The water from the dehumidifier, the RO water filter the
>>>deep sink, and the washing machine in the basement all drain into that
>>>pit and that grey water flows to the creek.
>>
>>So, you're draining waste water into a live creek. Nice. Sheldon the
>>polluter and destroyer of nature.
>
>Grey water doesn't pollute. Gray water is what people collect from
>their roof to water plants, it contains insects and lots of bird
>poop... excellent organic fertilizer. Do you really think birds and
>other critters don't poop on farmland... and the imbeciles pay more
>for what they perceive to be organic... all that farm equipment is
>diesel. that's definitely NOT organic.
>RO waste water contains minerals, the minerals from my well water,
>same as what's in the creek anyway.
>Modern Laundry soaps biodegrade, no different from critter poop in the
>creek. People have been scrubbing clothes in the rivers since
>forever.
>I'm not dumping petro distillates, heavy metals, radio active
>materials, or any toxins. The health departments and other agencies
>are very aware of grey water dumping in bodies of running water in
>rural areas, not nearly enough concentration to have any negative
>affect whatsoever. That creek eventually flows to the Hudson River,
>now that's polluted with all kinds of industrial waste, if anything
>our bit of grey water helps dilute that filthy river water.
>
> in the creek

gray water by definition comes from baths, showers, sinks, anything
that does not contain fecal matter or urine. The soaps from washing
your dishes and your shower fertilize the creek water leading to
overgrowth of plants causing algae blooms and so forth. These plant
over growths block sunlight to creatures in the water and stream bed
that need it, the over growth stifles normal wildlife water life,
lowering the oxygen levels in the water. Gray water should be used to
irrigate your grass and trees. It should not be used to water your
vegetable garden. gray water may be allowed for irrigation in your
state. Depending upon where you live the regulations for use of
gray water may be prohibited or strictly controlled.
There are all kinds of reasons why what you are doing is wrong.
Janet US

U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 19:26:00 -0400, wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 20:23:51 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 18:17:49 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cindy, we didn't have that singular flood experience because of a high water table...it was water
>>>> >from rain ... When the ground got saturated after a few days of continuing torrential downpours, the ground
>>>>> became super-saturated and water didn't have any place to go. if the flooding had been because of a
>>>>> high water table, like being on bottomland or too near a river, creek or lake, I would be eligible
>>>>> for flood insurance, according to what the insurance people told me. But I am not.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am at an elevation such that the builders thought there was no reason to install underground drainage pipe
>>>>> around the foundation when we built the house. This area was farmland before it was developed into
>>>>> Residential neighborhoods.
>>>>>
>>>>> N.
>>>>
>>>> I'm on farmland/bottomland, 70 years ago when these houses
>>>> were built they installed French drains... the houses were built on
>>>> the highest points and before the water table rises under the house
>>>> the French drain directs it away to a lower point. Here that water
>>>> drains by a six inch pipe to a creek some 100' away. There's a large
>>>> grate in my basement floor covering a pit that connects to that French
>>>> drain pipe. The water from the dehumidifier, the RO water filter the
>>>> deep sink, and the washing machine in the basement all drain into that
>>>> pit and that grey water flows to the creek.
>>>
>>> So, you're draining waste water into a live creek. Nice. Sheldon the
>>> polluter and destroyer of nature.
>>
>> Grey water doesn't pollute. Gray water is what people collect from
>> their roof to water plants, it contains insects and lots of bird
>> poop... excellent organic fertilizer. Do you really think birds and
>> other critters don't poop on farmland... and the imbeciles pay more
>> for what they perceive to be organic... all that farm equipment is
>> diesel. that's definitely NOT organic.
>> RO waste water contains minerals, the minerals from my well water,
>> same as what's in the creek anyway.
>> Modern Laundry soaps biodegrade, no different from critter poop in the
>> creek. People have been scrubbing clothes in the rivers since
>> forever.
>> I'm not dumping petro distillates, heavy metals, radio active
>> materials, or any toxins. The health departments and other agencies
>> are very aware of grey water dumping in bodies of running water in
>> rural areas, not nearly enough concentration to have any negative
>> affect whatsoever. That creek eventually flows to the Hudson River,
>> now that's polluted with all kinds of industrial waste, if anything
>> our bit of grey water helps dilute that filthy river water.
>>
>> in the creek
>
> gray water by definition comes from baths, showers, sinks, anything
> that does not contain fecal matter or urine. The soaps from washing
> your dishes and your shower fertilize the creek water leading to
> overgrowth of plants causing algae blooms and so forth. These plant
> over growths block sunlight to creatures in the water and stream bed
> that need it, the over growth stifles normal wildlife water life,
> lowering the oxygen levels in the water. Gray water should be used to
> irrigate your grass and trees. It should not be used to water your
> vegetable garden. gray water may be allowed for irrigation in your
> state. Depending upon where you live the regulations for use of
> gray water may be prohibited or strictly controlled.
> There are all kinds of reasons why what you are doing is wrong.
> Janet US
>

Do yoose think any of this matters to Popeye?

Hell, he throws his garbage out of his windows!

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 17:53:31 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:28:11 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/26/2018 6:38 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hardly... I wouldn't live in Florida if I was given that house for
>>>> free. Florida is the last place I'd want to live for retirement.
>>>>
>>>So what? Ed and his wife don't want to live where they have to deal
>>>with snow anymore, and I'm sure they don't want to mow acres of land.
>>>
>>>Jill
>>
>> You think Ed lived in antartica, he had some three months of snow
>> season a year and it didn't snow but a few times, no one lived in
>> igloos... and it was a lot less costly to have his driveway plowed
>> than moving. And he never mowed acres... he could have paid to have
>> his lot mowed, a whole lot less than moving and having to pay the
>> maintenence fee.
>
>My question to you is...Why the Hell do you care where Ed moves to? You're
>not paying his bills or making decisions for him, so why not just put a sock
>in it and tend to your own home

I know Ed many years longer than you do and think he's making a huge
mistake moving to Florida. he'll do what he wants and I wish him well
but I still think he's making a tremendous mistake.
My point is that if he can afford
to buy a home in Florida without selling his home in the Northeast,
then fine, But I know from personal experience it won't be too long
he'll want to move back and he can't afford to. I've known several
people with that predicament.
It's still not to late for Ed, he didnt sell his home in the Northeast
and didn't close on that impending disaster in fercocktah Florida.
I'm not going to pretend political corectness like the rest of you
schmucks and tell Ed I'm happy for him, I'm not.
What I tell to anyone who's thinking of retiring to Florida, or
anywhere, to first test it out, rent for a year or two but do NOT sell
your home.
It's fine for young people to pick up and move but for people of
retirement age, unless they are wealthy they are too old to ever go
home. And I know neighbors where I live who were snowbirds for a
while and after a few years realized that there's no place like home,
they are very glad they didn't sell their home.

I looked at the web site of where Ed is planning to mose, to me its a
Disney project, crowds with each house only an arms length away. I
don't want my neighbors peeping in my windows and hearing when I flush
the toilet. I'd not like living in those penetentiary conditions, I
enjoy my privacy, but everyone is diferent. If I want company Igo
into town an dca join in on some actiiy. Our library lists all the
clubs that meet there. I alrady joined the gardening and photography
club... and there are many others if I'm interested. My wife is a
member of the knitting and quilting clubs. the local organizations
are good for meeting local people of like interests. We like to be
with people when we choose to, but at the end of the day we both enjoy
our home and our privacy together. I would never want to live where
I can practictically shake hands with my neighbors through our open
windows. And I detest the rules of HOAs. I really like that I can
mow my back field and whenever I want I can pee on the field like the
critters. Late afternoon there was a herd of some thirty deer in my
back yard munching grass and peeing and pooping, all natural organic
fertilizer. They are gorgeous critters. All the critters are
beautiful.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 22:05:34 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 20:51:16 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 8:59:55 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I mentioned we want to avoid steps. Everything you mentioned adds up to
>>>> many trips a week. Just laundry would be 6 or 8 trips down there. It
>>>> will be nice to have that on one floor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> My house is 90+ years old and everything is all on one floor and am I ever
>>> thankful! I do have that daylight basement and it has been a full year
>>> since I've been down there. Hopefully, it will be another year before I
>>> have to venture down there.
>>
>> That's because you pay techs to monitor your utilities... because like
>> most you haven't a clue haw to maintaim your utilities/. Nowadays
>> very few can maintain their vehicles. Nowadays vehicles with software
>> and the manufactures only permiting dealers access. Just recently we
>> discoved that my wife's gas cap was defective,.. a new $19 gas cap
>> from Amazon solved the problem. A trip to the dealership would
>> have cost hundeda.
>>
>
>Popeye, yoose wasted yoose money on amazon. An empty spinach can would
>have fixed it much cheaper.

I wish.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 20:16:43 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 10:05:40 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Just recently we
>> > discovered that my wife's gas cap was defective,.. a new $19 gas cap
>> > from Amazon solved the problem. A trip to the dealership would
>> > have cost hundreds.
>> >
>>
>> Popeye, yoose wasted yoose money on amazon. An empty spinach can would
>> have fixed it much cheaper.
>>
>If I knew the part number or name of the gas cap I needed I'd probably looked
>on eBay first then toddled off to Amazon to look and check prices.

Did that, Amazon had the lowest price.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 20:13:15 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 8:56:19 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 20:51:16 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >My house is 90+ years old and everything is all on one floor and am I ever
>> >thankful! I do have that daylight basement and it has been a full year
>> >since I've been down there. Hopefully, it will be another year before I
>> >have to venture down there.
>>
>> That's because you pay techs to monitor your utilities... because like
>> most you haven't a clue haw to maintain your utilities/. Nowadays
>> very few can maintain their vehicles. Nowadays vehicles with software
>> and the manufactures only permitting dealers access. Just recently we
>> discovered that my wife's gas cap was defective,.. a new $19 gas cap
>> from Amazon solved the problem. A trip to the dealership would
>> have cost hundreds.
>>
>What ARE you blathering about? What utilities am I paying these mythical
>techs to maintain? What gas cap are you raving about? My car has no gas
>cap.

Then you have no car, every car ever produced has a gas cap.

>Have you been in Kuthe's Prozac?

I don't do illegal drugs, but I'm thinking you do, you seem to know a
lot about illegal drugs.

On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at 10:56:38 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
....
> Did that, Amazon had the lowest price.

That's exactly WHY the planet's richest asshole Jeff Bezos makes ZILLIONS a day! ****s like you don't care!

But ShelDUM evidently thinks it's all about HIM Egocentricity gone wild! :-(

John Kuthe...

"Druce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 16:36:58 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Druce" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:41:53 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Mid September to November are very nice in NY State and most places at
>>>>> that latitude. Mid December to mid March is cold, dark, even
>>>>> depressing
>>>>> for some.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm a winter person, never depressing to me.
>>>
>>> Isn't a winter person in the wrong state in California?
>>>
>>> I'd move further north than where we are now, towards the tropics, so
>>> that the nights aren't so cold in winter. But I'd be on my own
>>
>>
>>Yes, I am definitely in the wrong state, used to be in the Pacific
>>Northwest.
>
> Without looking it up and based on my poor knowledge of US topology,
> I'd say that's near Seattle?


No, Oregon. Seattle is in Washington State.

Cheri

> wrote in message

> I know Ed many years longer than you do

Why do you think that?

Cheri

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 22:24:12 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Druce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 16:36:58 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Druce" > wrote in message
>>>news >>>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:41:53 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mid September to November are very nice in NY State and most places at
>>>>>> that latitude. Mid December to mid March is cold, dark, even
>>>>>> depressing
>>>>>> for some.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm a winter person, never depressing to me.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't a winter person in the wrong state in California?
>>>>
>>>> I'd move further north than where we are now, towards the tropics, so
>>>> that the nights aren't so cold in winter. But I'd be on my own
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, I am definitely in the wrong state, used to be in the Pacific
>>>Northwest.
>>
>> Without looking it up and based on my poor knowledge of US topology,
>> I'd say that's near Seattle?
>
>
>No, Oregon. Seattle is in Washington State.

Oh, I didn't know Oregon was on the coast.