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It's what we're having tonight!
Creamy Navy Bean Soup 1 tablespoon olive oil 1 onion, diced 1 stalk celery, small dice 1/2 carrot, small dice 1 lg clove garlic, minced 1 (16 ounce) package dried navy beans (precooked- see below) 6 cups water 1 (14.5 ounce) can diced tomatoes 1 small potato, diced 1/2 lb hamhocks 1 tablespoon chicken bouillon granules 2 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce 1 tablespoon parsley, minced 1 teaspoon kosher salt 1/2 teaspoon ground black pepper 1 bay leaf 1/2 tsp marjoram 1 cup heavy cream (reserved) Soak beans over night. Drain, cover with water and cook 2 hours till soft. Heat oil in soup pot; add onion, celery, carrot and garlic and cook till soft. Add cooked beans, water, tomatoes, ham hocks, and seasonings to the pot; bring to a boil. Lower heat, cover, and simmer for a couple hours, stirring now and then to make sure it doesn't catch at the bottom of the pot. If soup becomes too thick, thin it with a little water. When ready to serve add cream and heat through. Check seasoning and add salt/pepper if needed. Discard bay leaf. Serve it forth with crusty bread and butter. This soup comes down to me from my mom. It is very reminiscent of Bob's Big Boy's Navy Bean Soup, IMO. Some people sieve this soup but long cooking breaks down the veggies and beans enough for me. My dad always liked a whole ham hock in his bowl to pick at -- (eww). I prefer to just eat the soup! *smiles* Barb |
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>It's what we're having tonight! > >Creamy Navy Bean Soup > Gonna have some cornbread with that ?? Sounds wonderful!! Rosie |
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![]() I would like to know if you put the hock in with all the fat that is under the skin. I wouldn't want that. Or are you using something I don't quite get. ?? Because of a high cholesterol level which I try to control without drugs, I eat a bean meal every day. This sounds very good and I await your answer so I can run out to the German butcher at the corner. Zee |
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Zee writes:
>I would like to know if you put the hock in with all the fat that is >under the skin. I wouldn't want that. Or are you using something I >don't quite get. ?? Because of a high cholesterol level which I try to >control without drugs, I eat a bean meal every day. I buy plain old smoked ham hocks- they are fatty and thick skinned full of gelatinous-I-don't-wanna-know-what but they give an awesome flavor and texture to the soup. They usually come 2 to a package at my store. You could substitute lower fat smoked ham or pull all the visible fat off the ham hock and, of course, omit the heavy cream or replace it with evaporated non-fat milk. If it's too thin at that point, thicken with a little cornstarch slurry. Hope this helped =) And Rosie-- I do like cornbread with beans but I gotta have my crusty sourdough bread with this *laughs* *smiles* It was awesome and filling! Barb |
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Zee writes:
>I would like to know if you put the hock in with all the fat that is >under the skin. I wouldn't want that. Or are you using something I >don't quite get. ?? Because of a high cholesterol level which I try to >control without drugs, I eat a bean meal every day. I buy plain old smoked ham hocks- they are fatty and thick skinned full of gelatinous-I-don't-wanna-know-what but they give an awesome flavor and texture to the soup. They usually come 2 to a package at my store. You could substitute lower fat smoked ham or pull all the visible fat off the ham hock and, of course, omit the heavy cream or replace it with evaporated non-fat milk. If it's too thin at that point, thicken with a little cornstarch slurry. Hope this helped =) And Rosie-- I do like cornbread with beans but I gotta have my crusty sourdough bread with this *laughs* *smiles* It was awesome and filling! Barb |
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![]() Barbtail wrote: > Zee writes: > > >I would like to know if you put the hock in with all the fat that is > >under the skin. I wouldn't want that. Or are you using something I > >don't quite get. ?? Because of a high cholesterol level which I try to > >control without drugs, I eat a bean meal every day. > > I buy plain old smoked ham hocks- they are fatty and thick skinned full of > gelatinous-I-don't-wanna-know-what but they give an awesome flavor and texture > to the soup. They usually come 2 to a package at my store. You could substitute > lower fat smoked ham or pull all the visible fat off the ham hock and, of > course, omit the heavy cream or replace it with evaporated non-fat milk. If > it's too thin at that point, thicken with a little cornstarch slurry. > > Hope this helped =) > > > And Rosie-- I do like cornbread with beans but I gotta have my crusty > sourdough bread with this *laughs* > > *smiles* > > It was awesome and filling! > > Barb Ahhh. Now I remember what I used to do. I'd cook the pork hocks in a pressure cooker, with some onion, carrot, celery and water. Then when done, we'd eat the lovely meat just falling off the bones with very dark homemade Finnish rye bread, cultured butter, radishes and German mustard, and for those that wanted it, black beer. I'd chill the broth in the unheated shed, remove the fat when it was a hard disc, then use the broth for--what else, a soup such as you described. The dogs got the fat. It's been about 25 years since I've cooked like that. It kinda slipped away... Thanks for the memories. ; ) Zee |
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![]() Barbtail wrote: > Zee writes: > > >I would like to know if you put the hock in with all the fat that is > >under the skin. I wouldn't want that. Or are you using something I > >don't quite get. ?? Because of a high cholesterol level which I try to > >control without drugs, I eat a bean meal every day. > > I buy plain old smoked ham hocks- they are fatty and thick skinned full of > gelatinous-I-don't-wanna-know-what but they give an awesome flavor and texture > to the soup. They usually come 2 to a package at my store. You could substitute > lower fat smoked ham or pull all the visible fat off the ham hock and, of > course, omit the heavy cream or replace it with evaporated non-fat milk. If > it's too thin at that point, thicken with a little cornstarch slurry. > > Hope this helped =) > > > And Rosie-- I do like cornbread with beans but I gotta have my crusty > sourdough bread with this *laughs* > > *smiles* > > It was awesome and filling! > > Barb Ahhh. Now I remember what I used to do. I'd cook the pork hocks in a pressure cooker, with some onion, carrot, celery and water. Then when done, we'd eat the lovely meat just falling off the bones with very dark homemade Finnish rye bread, cultured butter, radishes and German mustard, and for those that wanted it, black beer. I'd chill the broth in the unheated shed, remove the fat when it was a hard disc, then use the broth for--what else, a soup such as you described. The dogs got the fat. It's been about 25 years since I've cooked like that. It kinda slipped away... Thanks for the memories. ; ) Zee |
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On 2004-11-19, Barbtail > wrote:
> 1 cup heavy cream (reserved) Might I suggest an alternative. Cook the beans a little longer. Most beans will, if cooked long enough, yield up a natural "cream" of their own. Navy beans are very good for this natural cream. But, be careful. Overcook and the over production of this natural starch "cream" can ruin the dish. I did this once with Lima beans and with just a bit of cooling the whole mess solidified like a gelatin. It takes a couple times to get the hang of it. nb |
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On 2004-11-19, Barbtail > wrote:
> 1 cup heavy cream (reserved) Might I suggest an alternative. Cook the beans a little longer. Most beans will, if cooked long enough, yield up a natural "cream" of their own. Navy beans are very good for this natural cream. But, be careful. Overcook and the over production of this natural starch "cream" can ruin the dish. I did this once with Lima beans and with just a bit of cooling the whole mess solidified like a gelatin. It takes a couple times to get the hang of it. nb |
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Zee writes:
>Ahhh. Now I remember what I used to do. I'd cook the pork hocks in a >pressure cooker, with some onion, carrot, celery and water. Then when >done, we'd eat the lovely meat just falling off the bones with very >dark homemade Finnish rye bread, cultured butter, radishes and >German >mustard, and for those that wanted it, black beer. Oooo that sounds good even to me and I'm not much for ham hocks (though I admit the little chunks of meat inside are tasty). Pass the beer! I don't think I've ever had finnish rye bread. How is it different from other rye breads? Is it a dark rye or light? I do like rye bread. >I'd chill the broth in the unheated shed, remove the fat when it was a >hard disc, then use the broth for--what else, a soup such as you >described. The dogs got the fat. > >It's been about 25 years since I've cooked like that. It kinda slipped >away... > >Thanks for the memories. ; ) > >Zee You are most welcome *smiles* I didn't even think about making the stock ahead and removing the fat. That would be the best option. *smiles* You would get the rich flavor and body of the ham-hock stock without all the fat! You could probably even chop up some of the leaner meat to add back to the soup. *cheers* Barb |
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NotBob writes:
>> 1 cup heavy cream (reserved) > >Might I suggest an alternative. Cook the beans a little longer. Most beans >will, if cooked long enough, yield up a natural "cream" of their own. Navy >beans are very good for this natural cream. But, be careful. Overcook and >the over production of this natural starch "cream" can ruin the dish. I did >this once with Lima beans and with just a bit of cooling the whole mess >solidified like a gelatin. It takes a couple times to get the hang of it. > >nb That sounds like good idea. I don't always splurge with cream like that but it really takes the edge off the acidy tomatoes in this soup, IMHO. Also, since I don't sieve this soup it acts as a bit of a thickener. Milk would probably work as well. Some people also take a bit of the soup out and puree it, then add it back in to thicken and add body. I may try your suggestion- I'm sure my waist would appreciate it! *cheers* Barb |
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Barbtail wrote:
> Zee writes: > > > I would like to know if you put the hock in with all the fat that is > > under the skin. [snip] > You could substitute lower fat smoked ham or pull all the > visible fat off the ham hock and, of course, omit the heavy cream or > replace it with evaporated non-fat milk. If it's too thin at that > point, thicken with a little cornstarch slurry. At my store, they sell smoked turkey drumsticks that have been sawed cross-wise into pieces. I've thought about trying that for bean soup some time, see how it goes. Brian |
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![]() Barbtail wrote: > Zee writes: > >Ahhh. Now I remember what I used to do. I'd cook the pork hocks in a > >pressure cooker, with some onion, carrot, celery and water. Then when > >done, we'd eat the lovely meat just falling off the bones with very > >dark homemade Finnish rye bread, cultured butter, radishes and > >German > >mustard, and for those that wanted it, black beer. > > Oooo that sounds good even to me and I'm not much for ham hocks (though I > admit the little chunks of meat inside are tasty). Pass the beer! > > I don't think I've ever had finnish rye bread. How is it different from other > rye breads? Is it a dark rye or light? I do like rye bread. > > >I'd chill the broth in the unheated shed, remove the fat when it was a > >hard disc, then use the broth for--what else, a soup such as you > >described. The dogs got the fat. > > > >It's been about 25 years since I've cooked like that. It kinda slipped > >away... > > > >Thanks for the memories. ; ) > > > >Zee > > You are most welcome *smiles* > > I didn't even think about making the stock ahead and removing the fat. That > would be the best option. *smiles* You would get the rich flavor and body of > the ham-hock stock without all the fat! You could probably even chop up some > of the leaner meat to add back to the soup. > > *cheers* > > Barb The Finnish rye recipe is in the Scandinavian book, part of The New York Times Foods of the World series from the 1960s. I think that's the name. My daughter has it now. The rye bread is probably not very different from any rye but as I remember it was an extremely stiff dough (pre bread machine days) and you shaped it like a doughnut to bake and then you dusted it with flour so it comes out with this almost icing sugar dusted look with wide brown cracks. I'm not doing so good here...ha...but I can picture it. The pork hock meat is really succulent, and yes much would go in the soup. Greens too. Then, I used spinach or wild (something) which is related to Romaine lettuce. (Sorry these names escape me.) I don't have a pressure cooker anymore! But I see the butcher nearby has smoked turkey legs. That might be a good substitute. And yes, I would try for the natural creaminess of the navy or white bean rather than dairy cream or milk. We had the dark beer (called stout) and the children had this non-alcoholic dark beer available in Scandinavian, German or Dutch shops. Both the pork hock meal and the soup meal were very simple meals but really delicious. The whole effort started with wanting the broth and meat for soup, but it smelled so tantalizing we invented this meat meal the day I cooked the hocks. The soup of course came later in the week. Zee |
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![]() Barbtail wrote: > Zee writes: > >Ahhh. Now I remember what I used to do. I'd cook the pork hocks in a > >pressure cooker, with some onion, carrot, celery and water. Then when > >done, we'd eat the lovely meat just falling off the bones with very > >dark homemade Finnish rye bread, cultured butter, radishes and > >German > >mustard, and for those that wanted it, black beer. > > Oooo that sounds good even to me and I'm not much for ham hocks (though I > admit the little chunks of meat inside are tasty). Pass the beer! > > I don't think I've ever had finnish rye bread. How is it different from other > rye breads? Is it a dark rye or light? I do like rye bread. > > >I'd chill the broth in the unheated shed, remove the fat when it was a > >hard disc, then use the broth for--what else, a soup such as you > >described. The dogs got the fat. > > > >It's been about 25 years since I've cooked like that. It kinda slipped > >away... > > > >Thanks for the memories. ; ) > > > >Zee > > You are most welcome *smiles* > > I didn't even think about making the stock ahead and removing the fat. That > would be the best option. *smiles* You would get the rich flavor and body of > the ham-hock stock without all the fat! You could probably even chop up some > of the leaner meat to add back to the soup. > > *cheers* > > Barb The Finnish rye recipe is in the Scandinavian book, part of The New York Times Foods of the World series from the 1960s. I think that's the name. My daughter has it now. The rye bread is probably not very different from any rye but as I remember it was an extremely stiff dough (pre bread machine days) and you shaped it like a doughnut to bake and then you dusted it with flour so it comes out with this almost icing sugar dusted look with wide brown cracks. I'm not doing so good here...ha...but I can picture it. The pork hock meat is really succulent, and yes much would go in the soup. Greens too. Then, I used spinach or wild (something) which is related to Romaine lettuce. (Sorry these names escape me.) I don't have a pressure cooker anymore! But I see the butcher nearby has smoked turkey legs. That might be a good substitute. And yes, I would try for the natural creaminess of the navy or white bean rather than dairy cream or milk. We had the dark beer (called stout) and the children had this non-alcoholic dark beer available in Scandinavian, German or Dutch shops. Both the pork hock meal and the soup meal were very simple meals but really delicious. The whole effort started with wanting the broth and meat for soup, but it smelled so tantalizing we invented this meat meal the day I cooked the hocks. The soup of course came later in the week. Zee |
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![]() Barbtail wrote: > It's what we're having tonight! > > Creamy Navy Bean Soup > > 1 tablespoon olive oil > 1 onion, diced > 1 stalk celery, small dice > 1/2 carrot, small dice > 1 lg clove garlic, minced > 1 (16 ounce) package dried navy beans (precooked- see below) > 6 cups water > 1 (14.5 ounce) can diced tomatoes > 1 small potato, diced > 1/2 lb hamhocks > 1 tablespoon chicken bouillon granules > 2 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce > 1 tablespoon parsley, minced > 1 teaspoon kosher salt > 1/2 teaspoon ground black pepper > 1 bay leaf > 1/2 tsp marjoram > 1 cup heavy cream (reserved) > > Soak beans over night. Drain, cover with water and cook 2 hours till soft. > Heat oil in soup pot; add onion, celery, carrot and garlic and cook till > soft. Add cooked beans, water, tomatoes, ham hocks, and seasonings to the pot; > bring to a boil. Lower heat, cover, and simmer for a couple hours, stirring now > and then to make sure it doesn't catch at the bottom of the pot. If soup > becomes too thick, thin it with a little water. When ready to serve add cream > and heat through. Check seasoning and add salt/pepper if needed. Discard bay > leaf. Serve it forth with crusty bread and butter. > > This soup comes down to me from my mom. It is very reminiscent of Bob's Big > Boy's Navy Bean Soup, IMO. Some people sieve this soup but long cooking breaks > down the veggies and beans enough for me. My dad always liked a whole ham hock > in his bowl to pick at -- (eww). I prefer to just eat the soup! *smiles* > > Barb I kind of made your soup today. I'm disappointed. There's something missing. It's the pork hocks. Anyway... I substituted smoked turkey legs, quadrupled on the garlic and spices, added dried mustard powder, used dried oregano instead of marjoram, added a generous handful of chopped, frozen dill, one small tin of tomato paste and a large tin of plum tomatoes. Then, still not happy, and thinking it was tasteless, I added a heaping tablespoon hot Hungarian paprika, all the cayenne pepper I had (again about a tablespoon), two heaping tablespoons medium hot chili powder, two teaspoons cumin, a slosh of cider vinegar, and three cups of cooked red kidney beans. All the defatted liquid from cooking the turkey legs, and the meat. The usual vegetables, plus a forelorn zucchini. A couple tablespoons of brown sugar. It's pretty good. Like I said; I kind of made your soup today. Zee |
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![]() Barbtail wrote: > It's what we're having tonight! > > Creamy Navy Bean Soup > > 1 tablespoon olive oil > 1 onion, diced > 1 stalk celery, small dice > 1/2 carrot, small dice > 1 lg clove garlic, minced > 1 (16 ounce) package dried navy beans (precooked- see below) > 6 cups water > 1 (14.5 ounce) can diced tomatoes > 1 small potato, diced > 1/2 lb hamhocks > 1 tablespoon chicken bouillon granules > 2 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce > 1 tablespoon parsley, minced > 1 teaspoon kosher salt > 1/2 teaspoon ground black pepper > 1 bay leaf > 1/2 tsp marjoram > 1 cup heavy cream (reserved) > > Soak beans over night. Drain, cover with water and cook 2 hours till soft. > Heat oil in soup pot; add onion, celery, carrot and garlic and cook till > soft. Add cooked beans, water, tomatoes, ham hocks, and seasonings to the pot; > bring to a boil. Lower heat, cover, and simmer for a couple hours, stirring now > and then to make sure it doesn't catch at the bottom of the pot. If soup > becomes too thick, thin it with a little water. When ready to serve add cream > and heat through. Check seasoning and add salt/pepper if needed. Discard bay > leaf. Serve it forth with crusty bread and butter. > > This soup comes down to me from my mom. It is very reminiscent of Bob's Big > Boy's Navy Bean Soup, IMO. Some people sieve this soup but long cooking breaks > down the veggies and beans enough for me. My dad always liked a whole ham hock > in his bowl to pick at -- (eww). I prefer to just eat the soup! *smiles* > > Barb I kind of made your soup today. I'm disappointed. There's something missing. It's the pork hocks. Anyway... I substituted smoked turkey legs, quadrupled on the garlic and spices, added dried mustard powder, used dried oregano instead of marjoram, added a generous handful of chopped, frozen dill, one small tin of tomato paste and a large tin of plum tomatoes. Then, still not happy, and thinking it was tasteless, I added a heaping tablespoon hot Hungarian paprika, all the cayenne pepper I had (again about a tablespoon), two heaping tablespoons medium hot chili powder, two teaspoons cumin, a slosh of cider vinegar, and three cups of cooked red kidney beans. All the defatted liquid from cooking the turkey legs, and the meat. The usual vegetables, plus a forelorn zucchini. A couple tablespoons of brown sugar. It's pretty good. Like I said; I kind of made your soup today. Zee |
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>Like I said; I kind of made your soup today.
> >Zee > *smiles* As long as you enjoyed it! Something about ham hocks and all the flavor (read FATyum lol) and gelatin they bring to the pot. *laughs* *Cheers* Barb Anne |
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