http://dlisted.com/2018/10/17/weed-i...a/#more-309499

"As a Canadian person, I can confidently assure outsiders who look upon Canada as this always-smiling apologetic utopia that its not. Its cold for about 11 months of the year. Near every pond lurks a pack of Canada Geese that will either try to bite you or will laugh as you slip on their poo. But at least we can now legally smoke all our problems away, because today marks the first day that cannabis is 100% legal in Canada.


When Prime Minister Justin Trudeau took office in 2015, one of the things he promised was that Canada would one day decriminalize pot (medical marijuana has been a-ok since 2001). There were a couple times parliament tried to pass decriminalization bills, but they didnt take until 2017, when the Cannabis Act was passed. The bill officially went into effect today, thus making Canada the second country in the world, behind Uruguay, to legalize it for recreation, medical use, and cultivation. Ricky, Julian, and Bubbles are crying THC tears.

CBC notes that the rules will vary from province to province. All but two provinces require you to be 19 years old (Alberta and Quebec are going with 18). You can smoke at home and in public (depending on the city), and bring 30 grams of weed on a plane, but you cant get high and get behind the wheel of a car. You can also buy weed online and have it shipped to your house. Forget what I said about the geese, this country is obviously great. But you cant sell it €“ you have to buy it from the government or an approved source.

Canada is also considering releasing people in jail for weed-related offenses.

As for how much legal weed in Canada will cost, thats still up for debate. But CBC says that in general, it looks like it will start at about $7 to $8 a gram. I am not a weed smoker, so I dont know if $7 a gram is a good deal or not. But now is the time to get into a weed-adjacent Canadian side-business. I should go door to door with a box of butter tarts and a couple old VHS tapes of Readalong. Theres no reason that anybody should be denied the full Canadian stoner experience..."

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When they see the money that Canada brings in from pot, the US government will look at legalizing also just from a tax revenue standpoint and to remove the black market from the picture. It is already legal in nine states for recreational use (and three more are voting on it next month) and a number of likely 2020 Presidential candidates plan to make it legal if elected. I saw a poll on TV today which said 60 percent of the American public favors legalizing it. My guess is it will be legal across the US if not by 2021 then by 2025 at the very latest.

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:32:34 -0700 (PDT), GM
> wrote:

>http://dlisted.com/2018/10/17/weed-i...a/#more-309499
>
>"As a Canadian person, I can confidently assure outsiders who look upon Canada as this always-smiling apologetic utopia that it’s not. It’s cold for about 11 months of the year. Near every pond lurks a pack of Canada Geese that will either try to bite you or will laugh as you slip on their poo. But at least we can now legally smoke all our problems away, because today marks the first day that cannabis is 100% legal in Canada.
>
>
>When Prime Minister Justin Trudeau took office in 2015, one of the things he promised was that Canada would one day decriminalize pot (medical marijuana has been a-ok since 2001). There were a couple times parliament tried to pass decriminalization bills, but they didn’t take until 2017, when the Cannabis Act was passed. The bill officially went into effect today, thus making Canada the second country in the world, behind Uruguay, to legalize it for recreation, medical use, and cultivation. Ricky, Julian, and Bubbles are crying THC tears.
>
>CBC notes that the rules will vary from province to province. All but two provinces require you to be 19 years old (Alberta and Quebec are going with 18). You can smoke at home and in public (depending on the city), and bring 30 grams of weed on a plane, but you can’t get high and get behind the wheel of a car. You can also buy weed online and have it shipped to your house. Forget what I said about the geese, this country is obviously great. But you can’t sell it – you have to buy it from the government or an approved source.
>
>Canada is also considering releasing people in jail for weed-related offenses.
>
>As for how much legal weed in Canada will cost, that’s still up for debate. But CBC says that in general, it looks like it will start at about $7 to $8 a gram. I am not a weed smoker, so I don’t know if $7 a gram is a good deal or not. But now is the time to get into a weed-adjacent Canadian side-business. I should go door to door with a box of butter tarts and a couple old VHS tapes of Readalong. There’s no reason that anybody should be denied the full Canadian stoner experience..."

I have no use for weed, I'd much rather a carton of wienstiens only I
know full well that smokin tobacky is a major health risk. For a high
I'd much rather a NYC bagel stuffed with lox and a schmear.

On 2018-10-17 8:55 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
> When they see the money that Canada brings in from pot, the US
> government will look at legalizing also just from a tax revenue
> standpoint and to remove the black market from the picture. It is
> already legal in nine states for recreational use (and three more are
> voting on it next month) and a number of likely 2020 Presidential
> candidates plan to make it legal if elected. I saw a poll on TV
> today which said 60 percent of the American public favors legalizing
> it. My guess is it will be legal across the US if not by 2021 then
> by 2025 at the very latest.
>

It's not like everyone here is thrilled about it. Despite decades of
research on pot use, suggestions to decriminalize, the use of medical
marijuana and recreational use, there are still a lot of issues to be
worked out. Most towns and most urban neighbourhoods do not want
marijuana retail outlets .... NIMBY.

There are issues about production. I live in a rural area with a number
of greenhouses and a lot of Dutchmen who are getting into the business.
We have 7 licensed grow ops in town and the people living downwind are
really upset about the smell. We have municipal elections next week and
there is big pressure put the kibosh on plans for any new ones.

Then there is the issue of where to smoke it. Most condos and apartment
buildings want their buildings to be pot smoke free. The province and
many municipal governments already have restrictions on smoking tobacco
in public places.

Anyone serving alcohol in Ontario has to get Smart Serve certification
and the training teaches about the law and legal liability concerning
serving people who are intoxicated. They are trained in how much people
can be served without getting loaded, but now they will have to deal
with the effects of the combination of the booze they are drinking and
the pot they might be smoking if they slip outside for a toke.


I am glad that people won't be going to jail for simple possession, but
it's not like decriminalization is without its problems.

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 7:55:25 PM UTC-5, Michael OConnor wrote:
> When they see the money that Canada brings in from pot, the US government will look at legalizing also just from a tax revenue standpoint and to remove the black market from the picture. It is already legal in nine states for recreational use (and three more are voting on it next month) and a number of likely 2020 Presidential candidates plan to make it legal if elected.. I saw a poll on TV today which said 60 percent of the American public favors legalizing it. My guess is it will be legal across the US if not by 2021 then by 2025 at the very latest.

As I like to say, the Slippery Slope hath BEEN BREACHED! Look out for THE LANDSLIDE!! :-)

John Kuthe...

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 8:37:24 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:32:34 -0700 (PDT), GM
> > wrote:
>
> >http://dlisted.com/2018/10/17/weed-i...a/#more-309499
> >
> >"As a Canadian person, I can confidently assure outsiders who look upon Canada as this always-smiling apologetic utopia that its not. Its cold for about 11 months of the year. Near every pond lurks a pack of Canada Geese that will either try to bite you or will laugh as you slip on their poo. But at least we can now legally smoke all our problems away, because today marks the first day that cannabis is 100% legal in Canada.
> >
> >
> >When Prime Minister Justin Trudeau took office in 2015, one of the things he promised was that Canada would one day decriminalize pot (medical marijuana has been a-ok since 2001). There were a couple times parliament tried to pass decriminalization bills, but they didnt take until 2017, when the Cannabis Act was passed. The bill officially went into effect today, thus making Canada the second country in the world, behind Uruguay, to legalize it for recreation, medical use, and cultivation. Ricky, Julian, and Bubbles are crying THC tears.
> >
> >CBC notes that the rules will vary from province to province. All but two provinces require you to be 19 years old (Alberta and Quebec are going with 18). You can smoke at home and in public (depending on the city), and bring 30 grams of weed on a plane, but you cant get high and get behind the wheel of a car. You can also buy weed online and have it shipped to your house. Forget what I said about the geese, this country is obviously great. But you cant sell it €“ you have to buy it from the government or an approved source.
> >
> >Canada is also considering releasing people in jail for weed-related offenses.
> >
> >As for how much legal weed in Canada will cost, thats still up for debate. But CBC says that in general, it looks like it will start at about $7 to $8 a gram. I am not a weed smoker, so I dont know if $7 a gram is a good deal or not. But now is the time to get into a weed-adjacent Canadian side-business. I should go door to door with a box of butter tarts and a couple old VHS tapes of Readalong. Theres no reason that anybody should be denied the full Canadian stoner experience..."
>
> I have no use for weed, I'd much rather a carton of wienstiens only I
> know full well that smokin tobacky is a major health risk. For a high
> I'd much rather a NYC bagel stuffed with lox and a schmear.

Ugh!! DISGUSTING!! Tobacco? YUCK!!

And a "schmear" of what?

John Kuthe...

On 2018-10-17 7:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-10-17 8:55 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
>> When they see the money that Canada brings in from pot, the US
>> government will look at legalizing also just from a tax revenue
>> standpoint and to remove the black market from the picture.Â* It is
>> already legal in nine states for recreational use (and three more are
>> voting on it next month) and a number of likely 2020 Presidential
>> candidates plan to make it legal if elected.Â* I saw a poll on TV
>> today which said 60 percent of the American public favors legalizing
>> it.Â* My guess is it will be legal across the US if not by 2021 then
>> by 2025 at the very latest.
>>
>
> It's not like everyone here is thrilled about it. Despite decades of
> research on pot use,

There has been little valid research as the stuff has been illegal. Many
or the "benefits" are anecdotal and the dangers come from observations
in the medical community that will now be able to be tested properly.

> > When they see the money that Canada brings in from pot, the US government will look at legalizing also just from a tax revenue standpoint and to remove the black market from the picture. It is already legal in nine states for recreational use (and three more are voting on it next month) and a number of likely 2020 Presidential candidates plan to make it legal if elected. I saw a poll on TV today which said 60 percent of the American public favors legalizing it. My guess is it will be legal across the US if not by 2021 then by 2025 at the very latest.
>
> As I like to say, the Slippery Slope hath BEEN BREACHED! Look out for THE LANDSLIDE!! :-)

If pot gets legalized in the US, you won't see people out there wanting to legalize or decriminalize cocaine or meth or crack or other street drugs. For one thing, marijuana is 100 percent natural, you grow it, dry it, and smoke it. It will be handled just like alcohol; in fact, the soda manufacturers are already working to produce athetic energy drinks that just contain CBD (the part of pot that works for pain and doesn't get you high) and drinks that contain THC (the part that gets you high) so it will won't be just smoking it. Legalizing pot isn't going to open Pandora's Box for legalizing all other illegal drugs.

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 21:37:20 -0400, wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:32:34 -0700 (PDT), GM
> wrote:
>
>>http://dlisted.com/2018/10/17/weed-i...a/#more-309499
>>
>>"As a Canadian person, I can confidently assure outsiders who look upon Canada as this always-smiling apologetic utopia that it’s not. It’s cold for about 11 months of the year. Near every pond lurks a pack of Canada Geese that will either try to bite you or will laugh as you slip on their poo. But at least we can now legally smoke all our problems away, because today marks the first day that cannabis is 100% legal in Canada.
>>
>>
>>When Prime Minister Justin Trudeau took office in 2015, one of the things he promised was that Canada would one day decriminalize pot (medical marijuana has been a-ok since 2001). There were a couple times parliament tried to pass decriminalization bills, but they didn’t take until 2017, when the Cannabis Act was passed. The bill officially went into effect today, thus making Canada the second country in the world, behind Uruguay, to legalize it for recreation, medical use, and cultivation. Ricky, Julian, and Bubbles are crying THC tears.
>>
>>CBC notes that the rules will vary from province to province. All but two provinces require you to be 19 years old (Alberta and Quebec are going with 18). You can smoke at home and in public (depending on the city), and bring 30 grams of weed on a plane, but you can’t get high and get behind the wheel of a car. You can also buy weed online and have it shipped to your house. Forget what I said about the geese, this country is obviously great. But you can’t sell it – you have to buy it from the government or an approved source.
>>
>>Canada is also considering releasing people in jail for weed-related offenses.
>>
>>As for how much legal weed in Canada will cost, that’s still up for debate. But CBC says that in general, it looks like it will start at about $7 to $8 a gram. I am not a weed smoker, so I don’t know if $7 a gram is a good deal or not. But now is the time to get into a weed-adjacent Canadian side-business. I should go door to door with a box of butter tarts and a couple old VHS tapes of Readalong. There’s no reason that anybody should be denied the full Canadian stoner experience..."
>
>I have no use for weed, I'd much rather a carton of wienstiens only I
>know full well that smokin tobacky is a major health risk. For a high
>I'd much rather a NYC bagel stuffed with lox and a schmear.

And some high that will be, you ignorant schmuck.

On 10/17/2018 9:46 PM, John Kuthe wrote:

>> I have no use for weed, I'd much rather a carton of wienstiens only I
>> know full well that smokin tobacky is a major health risk. For a high
>> I'd much rather a NYC bagel stuffed with lox and a schmear.
>
> Ugh!! DISGUSTING!! Tobacco? YUCK!!
>
> And a "schmear" of what?
>
> John Kuthe...
>

Evidently you don't do bagels. I don't do lox, but always a schmear.
Cream cheese

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:55:21 -0700 (PDT), Michael OConnor wrote:

> When they see the money that Canada brings in from pot, the US
> government will look at legalizing also just from a tax revenue
> standpoint and to remove the black market from the picture. It
> is already legal in nine states for recreational use (and three
> more are voting on it next month) and a number of likely 2020
> Presidential candidates plan to make it legal if elected. I saw
> a poll on TV today which said 60 percent of the American public
> favors legalizing it. My guess is it will be legal across the US
> if not by 2021 then by 2025 at the very latest.

States (and possible counties and cities) will still probably retain
the right to make it illegal. Since those States are not illegally
declaring it legal contrary to current Federal laws, it would unwise
for the Feds to say "Thanks for your support but now HAVE to make it
legal against your wishes."

-sw

On 10/17/2018 7:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> .....Despite decades of
> research on pot use....
There has NOT been "decades of research" cuz it's been illegal. Well,
at least in Canada and the USA.

Heh heh..... I smoked weed illegally, every day, fer 20 yrs. No
problem. I then quit fer 15 yrs. Moved to CO --who legalized it and I
started smoking it, again ...."HEY, IT'S LEGAL, PPL!-- and now I don't
even get high, anymore!

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/17/2018 7:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> .....Despite decades of research on pot use....
> There has NOT been "decades of research" cuz it's been illegal. Well, at
> least in Canada and the USA.
>
> Heh heh..... I smoked weed illegally, every day, fer 20 yrs. No problem.
> I then quit fer 15 yrs. Moved to CO --who legalized it and I started
> smoking it, again ...."HEY, IT'S LEGAL, PPL!-- and now I don't even get
> high, anymore!
>
> nb


I imagine big pharma has been researching it for decades for sure.

Cheri

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 22:59:27 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"notbob" > wrote in message
...
>> On 10/17/2018 7:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> .....Despite decades of research on pot use....
>> There has NOT been "decades of research" cuz it's been illegal. Well, at
>> least in Canada and the USA.
>>
>> Heh heh..... I smoked weed illegally, every day, fer 20 yrs. No problem.
>> I then quit fer 15 yrs. Moved to CO --who legalized it and I started
>> smoking it, again ...."HEY, IT'S LEGAL, PPL!-- and now I don't even get
>> high, anymore!
>>
>> nb
>
>
>I imagine big pharma has been researching it for decades for sure.

I think so too. They'd have opened a lab in Jamaica if they had to.

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 20:05:41 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-10-17 7:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-10-17 8:55 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
>>> When they see the money that Canada brings in from pot, the US
>>> government will look at legalizing also just from a tax revenue
>>> standpoint and to remove the black market from the picture.* It is
>>> already legal in nine states for recreational use (and three more are
>>> voting on it next month) and a number of likely 2020 Presidential
>>> candidates plan to make it legal if elected.* I saw a poll on TV
>>> today which said 60 percent of the American public favors legalizing
>>> it.* My guess is it will be legal across the US if not by 2021 then
>>> by 2025 at the very latest.
>>>
>>
>> It's not like everyone here is thrilled about it. Despite decades of
>> research on pot use,
>
>There has been little valid research as the stuff has been illegal. Many
>or the "benefits" are anecdotal and the dangers come from observations
>in the medical community that will now be able to be tested properly.

It's the fringe aspects that scare me a bit - tasty edibles made at
home can easily fall into the hands of little kids and pets with
disastrous results. Also the driving while under the influence, I
hear a mouth swab test is starting to look successful.

Otherwise - I see little difference between booze and pot. One is
either a responsible user, or not.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 08:10:41 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 20:05:41 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>>On 2018-10-17 7:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> It's not like everyone here is thrilled about it. Despite decades of
>>> research on pot use,
>>
>>There has been little valid research as the stuff has been illegal. Many
>>or the "benefits" are anecdotal and the dangers come from observations
>>in the medical community that will now be able to be tested properly.
>
>It's the fringe aspects that scare me a bit - tasty edibles made at
>home can easily fall into the hands of little kids and pets with
>disastrous results. Also the driving while under the influence, I
>hear a mouth swab test is starting to look successful.
>
>Otherwise - I see little difference between booze and pot. One is
>either a responsible user, or not.

That's it. I wonder if whiskey isn't a harder drug than pot. I also
wonder which unit of measure we can use to compare the two, to find
out.

Those weed smokers should find out what it does to their brains. They should think twice before
smoking that first joint....while they can still understand the science.

N.

On 10/17/2018 11:59 PM, Cheri wrote:

> I imagine......

"Imagine" all you want. I prefer facts. I usually obtain sed "facts"
by experiencing them myself.

* I no longer drink like I used to. Fact!

* I've lost 25 lbs. Fact!

* I've smoked much stronger stuff than I smoke, now. Fact!

* I suck at baking bread. Fact!

What I DO "imagine" is, the bearings on my forced-air heater fan going
bad in the middle of Winter ....my vehicle being stuck in the snow after
a bad accident ....the forest around me --so probably my house-- burning
to the ground. I gotta "imagine" 'em, as none of those imagined
scenarios have yet occurred.

Do any of the above "Facts" have any relation to my smoking cannabis?
You tell me, as you have such a great imagination.

nb

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 8:34:09 AM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
....
> What I DO "imagine" is, the bearings on my forced-air heater fan going
> bad in the middle of Winter ....my vehicle being stuck in the snow after
> a bad accident ....the forest around me --so probably my house-- burning
> to the ground. I gotta "imagine" 'em, as none of those imagined
> scenarios have yet occurred.
>
> Do any of the above "Facts" have any relation to my smoking cannabis?
> You tell me, as you have such a great imagination.
>
> nb

Um, WE have been doing research on cannabis for a LOT of years! Just NOT IN THE U.S.! THC was discovered molecularity in the early 1960's, the endocannabinoid system in 1990, etc.

https://www.whatiscbd.com/cbd-makes-brain-healthier/

John Kuthe...

On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:34:04 -0600, notbob > wrote:

>On 10/17/2018 11:59 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
>> I imagine......
>
>"Imagine" all you want. I prefer facts. I usually obtain sed "facts"
>by experiencing them myself.
>
>* I no longer drink like I used to. Fact!
>
>* I've lost 25 lbs. Fact!
>
>* I've smoked much stronger stuff than I smoke, now. Fact!
>
>* I suck at baking bread. Fact!
>
>What I DO "imagine" is, the bearings on my forced-air heater fan going
>bad in the middle of Winter ....my vehicle being stuck in the snow after
>a bad accident ....the forest around me --so probably my house-- burning
>to the ground. I gotta "imagine" 'em, as none of those imagined
>scenarios have yet occurred.
>
>Do any of the above "Facts" have any relation to my smoking cannabis?
>You tell me, as you have such a great imagination.
>
>nb

I prefer my red wine although I have tried pot back in the 80s and it
certainly helped ease Davids pain for him. Being of Scottish
origins, I didn't care having to pay for it so cultivated my own to
cope with his requirements! I made brownies because neither of us
smoked by then.

Have they perfected a good method for catching stoned drivers in
Colorado?

On 2018-10-18 9:26 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> Those weed smokers should find out what it does to their brains.
> They should think twice before smoking that first joint....while they
> can still understand the science.

It is a lot less harmful to human brains than alcohol. A lot of people
looking for a buzz would be better off to smoke a joint than to drink booze.

> I imagine big pharma has been researching it for decades for sure.

They have, but government regulations have made it difficult for them to put any medications that came out of marijuana research onto the market. One that did hit the market recently is a drug that is helping children who experience numerous epileptic seizures every day; it cuts their seizure activity down to nearly nothing.

Marijuana also helps many with chronic severe pain, and it helps in a way opioids do not, and does not have the serious side effects that opioids do, and this is something I have seen firsthand. I have seen a loved one who is in tears crippled over in back and spinal pain and can barely walk and move take a couple hits from a joint, and 15 minutes later, their pain is gone and they can walk and move and can raise their arms without pain for a few hours. In this way, pot is a miracle drug.

On 2018-10-18 5:10 AM, wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 20:05:41 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-10-17 7:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2018-10-17 8:55 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
>>>> When they see the money that Canada brings in from pot, the US
>>>> government will look at legalizing also just from a tax revenue
>>>> standpoint and to remove the black market from the picture.Â* It is
>>>> already legal in nine states for recreational use (and three more are
>>>> voting on it next month) and a number of likely 2020 Presidential
>>>> candidates plan to make it legal if elected.Â* I saw a poll on TV
>>>> today which said 60 percent of the American public favors legalizing
>>>> it.Â* My guess is it will be legal across the US if not by 2021 then
>>>> by 2025 at the very latest.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's not like everyone here is thrilled about it. Despite decades of
>>> research on pot use,
>>
>> There has been little valid research as the stuff has been illegal. Many
>> or the "benefits" are anecdotal and the dangers come from observations
>> in the medical community that will now be able to be tested properly.
>
> It's the fringe aspects that scare me a bit - tasty edibles made at
> home can easily fall into the hands of little kids and pets with
> disastrous results. Also the driving while under the influence, I
> hear a mouth swab test is starting to look successful.
>
> Otherwise - I see little difference between booze and pot. One is
> either a responsible user, or not.
>
What made me cynical early on was that a lot of the people claiming to
need it for their medical condition were "potheads" anyway. It appeared
to be an excuse to get a cheaper supply.

On 2018-10-18 8:15 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-10-18 9:26 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>> Those weed smokers should find out what it does to their brains.
>> They should think twice before smoking that first joint....while they
>> can still understand the science.
>
> It is a lot less harmful to human brains than alcohol.Â* A lot of people
> looking for a buzz would be better off to smoke a joint than to drink
> booze.

And you know this how?

On 2018-10-17 8:15 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
>
>>> When they see the money that Canada brings in from pot, the US government will look at legalizing also just from a tax revenue standpoint and to remove the black market from the picture. It is already legal in nine states for recreational use (and three more are voting on it next month) and a number of likely 2020 Presidential candidates plan to make it legal if elected. I saw a poll on TV today which said 60 percent of the American public favors legalizing it. My guess is it will be legal across the US if not by 2021 then by 2025 at the very latest.
>>
>> As I like to say, the Slippery Slope hath BEEN BREACHED! Look out for THE LANDSLIDE!! :-)
>
> If pot gets legalized in the US, you won't see people out there wanting to legalize or decriminalize cocaine or meth or crack or other street drugs. For one thing, marijuana is 100 percent natural,

OH! FFS!

On 2018-10-18 10:08 AM, wrote:
>

> I prefer my red wine although I have tried pot back in the 80s and it
> certainly helped ease Davids pain for him. Being of Scottish
> origins, I didn't care having to pay for it so cultivated my own to
> cope with his requirements! I made brownies because neither of us
> smoked by then.
>
> Have they perfected a good method for catching stoned drivers in
> Colorado?


I appreciate that driving under the influence of marijuana would present
a safety hazard on the roads. We have already demonized alcohol to the
point where we have established legal BAC levels to save prosecutors the
responsibility of proving that a driver was intoxicated. Never mind
that the driver was no slurring his words, was able to follow the
pencil, walk the line and touch his nose... he had that magic number
BAC and was therefore intoxicated. That level varies from one place to
another, and sometimes when the numbers of arrests drop for one level
but there are still accidents, they drop the number so they can carry on
the political commitment to reduced drinking and driving.

If they are going to pay so much attention to alcohol and to marijuana,
it is only fair that they work as hard to eliminate all other forms of
impairment. You could automatically disqualify at least half the
drivers over age 70 and 75% of those over 80. Ban drivers over 90.
Between diminished eye sight, arthritic joints, inability to twist their
necks to look side to side at intersections make them a risk on the
roads. Then there are cognitive issues. Many of them are starting to
show signs of dementia. Whenever you hear of a gas of a car crashing
from a parking space into a building you can pretty sure the driver is
senior driver who either stepped too hard on a pedal or stepped on the
wrong one.

There are a lot of people driving around with colds, allergies and other
medical issues that diminish their driving ability. There are all kinds
of people using prescription pain killers.

I heard an interview with an OPP traffic office the other day and they
were talking about how to detect stoned drivers. Apparently they are a
dead giveaway because they drive so much slower than the rest of the
traffic. Most people around here are speeding. The speed limit is not a
mandated speed. It is the maximum allowed at that location. I am going
to make a point of staying below the posted limit to see how often I
will be pulled over for obeying the law.

On 2018-10-18 10:26 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-10-18 5:10 AM, wrote:

>> Otherwise - I see little difference between booze and pot.Â* One is
>> either a responsible user, or not.
>>
> What made me cynical early on was that a lot of the people claiming to
> need it for their medical condition were "potheads" anyway. It appeared
> to be an excuse to get a cheaper supply.

I am not sure about it being a cheaper supply. It was just a way to get
the stuff legally. Personally question its value in treating PTSD. One
of the reasons I stopped smoking pot years ago was that it made me
depressed. It seemed silly to spend money and to risk getting caught to
do something that tended to depress me.

On 2018-10-18 10:29 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-10-18 8:15 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-10-18 9:26 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>> Those weed smokers should find out what it does to their brains.
>>> They should think twice before smoking that first joint....while they
>>> can still understand the science.
>>
>> It is a lot less harmful to human brains than alcohol.Â* A lot of
>> people looking for a buzz would be better off to smoke a joint than to
>> drink booze.
>
> And you know this how?


Years of personal research. I am not saying that pot is exceptionally
good for you, but there is no doubt that alcohol as a wide range of
medical, physical, and psychological side effects.

Alcohol has been shown to be a factor in 31% if fatal crashes. That
sounds pretty bad. The stats just say that alcohol was involved and does
not mean that the person who caused the accident was intoxicated or that
they were even at fault. They also show that 69% of the accidents did
not involve alcohol. The statistics game is not an easy one because
there are so many other factors. While there appears to be fewer
drinking drivers these days there have also been incredible improvements
on vehicle and highway design to reduce fatalities.

On 2018-10-18 9:09 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-10-18 10:29 AM, graham wrote:
>> On 2018-10-18 8:15 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2018-10-18 9:26 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>> Those weed smokers should find out what it does to their brains.
>>>> They should think twice before smoking that first joint....while they
>>>> can still understand the science.
>>>
>>> It is a lot less harmful to human brains than alcohol.Â* A lot of
>>> people looking for a buzz would be better off to smoke a joint than
>>> to drink booze.
>>
>> And you know this how?
>
>
> Years of personal research.

So anecdotal!

On 10/18/2018 9:26 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> Those weed smokers should find out what it does to their brains. They should think twice before
> smoking that first joint....while they can still understand the science.
>
> N.
>
It might turn them into google posting tards!

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2018-10-18 9:26 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> > Those weed smokers should find out what it does to their brains.
> > They should think twice before smoking that first joint....while they
> > can still understand the science.
>
> It is a lot less harmful to human brains than alcohol. A lot of people
> looking for a buzz would be better off to smoke a joint than to drink booze.

You have absolutely no idea if that's true, Dr.Dave

graham wrote:
>
> What made me cynical early on was that a lot of the people claiming to
> need it for their medical condition were "potheads" anyway. It appeared
> to be an excuse to get a cheaper supply.

I tend to agree with you. Potheads claim miracle drug and cures
everything.

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 9:15:16 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-10-18 9:26 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> > Those weed smokers should find out what it does to their brains.
> > They should think twice before smoking that first joint....while they
> > can still understand the science.
>
> It is a lot less harmful to human brains than alcohol. A lot of people
> looking for a buzz would be better off to smoke a joint than to drink booze.

And I will continue to say until EVIDENCED otherwise that no human in the history of humanity has ever died from smoking too much cannabis.

Lord knows I tried back in high school!

John Kuthe...

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I am not sure about it being a cheaper supply. It was just a way to get
> the stuff legally. Personally question its value in treating PTSD. One
> of the reasons I stopped smoking pot years ago was that it made me
> depressed. It seemed silly to spend money and to risk getting caught to
> do something that tended to depress me.

And that's your miracle drug?

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2018-10-18 10:29 AM, graham wrote:
> > And you know this how?
>
> Years of personal research.


http://dailypicksandflicks.com/wp-co...l-research.jpg

On 2018-10-18 11:22 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> I am not sure about it being a cheaper supply. It was just a way to get
>> the stuff legally. Personally question its value in treating PTSD. One
>> of the reasons I stopped smoking pot years ago was that it made me
>> depressed. It seemed silly to spend money and to risk getting caught to
>> do something that tended to depress me.
>
> And that's your miracle drug?
>

Where did I extol its virtues. I consider it to be relatively harmless.
Pot smokers do not get hangovers. They don't sclerosis of the liver or
bowel cancer from it. Pot smokers are not known for getting into bar
fights and beating their spouses. Alcohol causes more health, mental,
social, family, accidents, work place injuries and criminal problems
than all illegal drugs combined.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 11:09:20 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-10-18 10:29 AM, graham wrote:
>> On 2018-10-18 8:15 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2018-10-18 9:26 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>> Those weed smokers should find out what it does to their brains.
>>>> They should think twice before smoking that first joint....while they
>>>> can still understand the science.
>>>
>>> It is a lot less harmful to human brains than alcohol.* A lot of
>>> people looking for a buzz would be better off to smoke a joint than to
>>> drink booze.
>>
>> And you know this how?
>
>
>Years of personal research. I am not saying that pot is exceptionally
>good for you, but there is no doubt that alcohol as a wide range of
>medical, physical, and psychological side effects.
>
>Alcohol has been shown to be a factor in 31% if fatal crashes. That
>sounds pretty bad. The stats just say that alcohol was involved and does
>not mean that the person who caused the accident was intoxicated or that
>they were even at fault. They also show that 69% of the accidents did
>not involve alcohol. The statistics game is not an easy one because
>there are so many other factors. While there appears to be fewer
>drinking drivers these days there have also been incredible improvements
>on vehicle and highway design to reduce fatalities.
>
check today's highway stats for Canada. They kept track of highway
accidents since pot was available.

On 2018-10-18 12:33 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 11:09:20 -0400, Dave Smith

>> Alcohol has been shown to be a factor in 31% if fatal crashes. That
>> sounds pretty bad. The stats just say that alcohol was involved and does
>> not mean that the person who caused the accident was intoxicated or that
>> they were even at fault. They also show that 69% of the accidents did
>> not involve alcohol. The statistics game is not an easy one because
>> there are so many other factors. While there appears to be fewer
>> drinking drivers these days there have also been incredible improvements
>> on vehicle and highway design to reduce fatalities.
>>
> check today's highway stats for Canada. They kept track of highway
> accidents since pot was available.

What highway stats? Pot has been available for a long time. People
around here were are concerned that legalization would lead to people
driving stoned. Being a bicyclist and motorcyclist I smell it coming
from cars at almost every intersection. I can't imagine there could be
an increase.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 08:26:14 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-10-18 5:10 AM, wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 20:05:41 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-10-17 7:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2018-10-17 8:55 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
>>>>> When they see the money that Canada brings in from pot, the US
>>>>> government will look at legalizing also just from a tax revenue
>>>>> standpoint and to remove the black market from the picture.* It is
>>>>> already legal in nine states for recreational use (and three more are
>>>>> voting on it next month) and a number of likely 2020 Presidential
>>>>> candidates plan to make it legal if elected.* I saw a poll on TV
>>>>> today which said 60 percent of the American public favors legalizing
>>>>> it.* My guess is it will be legal across the US if not by 2021 then
>>>>> by 2025 at the very latest.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not like everyone here is thrilled about it. Despite decades of
>>>> research on pot use,
>>>
>>> There has been little valid research as the stuff has been illegal. Many
>>> or the "benefits" are anecdotal and the dangers come from observations
>>> in the medical community that will now be able to be tested properly.
>>
>> It's the fringe aspects that scare me a bit - tasty edibles made at
>> home can easily fall into the hands of little kids and pets with
>> disastrous results. Also the driving while under the influence, I
>> hear a mouth swab test is starting to look successful.
>>
>> Otherwise - I see little difference between booze and pot. One is
>> either a responsible user, or not.
>>
>What made me cynical early on was that a lot of the people claiming to
>need it for their medical condition were "potheads" anyway. It appeared
>to be an excuse to get a cheaper supply.

I know for sure it helped David and there is a guy in my building who
has PTSD (make sure never to look in his eyes, you can tell he has
seen stuff in Afghanistan you wouldn't want to see) and that along
with his calmer dog, definitely makes life liveable for him. I am
sure some coast along on medical 'need' as well, as you say.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 09:11:13 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-10-18 9:09 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-10-18 10:29 AM, graham wrote:
>>> On 2018-10-18 8:15 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2018-10-18 9:26 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>> Those weed smokers should find out what it does to their brains.
>>>>> They should think twice before smoking that first joint....while they
>>>>> can still understand the science.
>>>>
>>>> It is a lot less harmful to human brains than alcohol.* A lot of
>>>> people looking for a buzz would be better off to smoke a joint than
>>>> to drink booze.
>>>
>>> And you know this how?
>>
>>
>> Years of personal research.
>
>So anecdotal!

Nah! If Dave says it, it's fact, to him anyway