"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 03:04:45 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 4:00:19 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 15:58:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> >On 3/14/2019 2:48 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 14:44:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 3/14/2019 2:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> >>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 11:29:34 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 1:57:03 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> So far, the way the 2020 is shaping up "none of the above" is the
>> >>>>>> only
>> >>>>>> good option.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Yeah, but I can't do that. If we get one of those flaming
>> >>>>> socialists in the Oval Office, Republicans in Congress will
>> >>>>> finally do their duty and check the President's power.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A flaming "socialist" (American interpretation of the term) is
>> >>>> exactly
>> >>>> what y'all need. But y'all will never vote one in, because y'all are
>> >>>> sheeple who will forever be on the leash of the psychopathic
>> >>>> corporations.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Karl Marx isn't available. We need sensible moderates on both sides.
>> >>
>> >> I wasn't talking about Karl Marx or a real socialist. I was talking
>> >> about what Americans call a "socialist". That's what you want, not a
>> >> moderate. You've always had "moderates". And look at your country.
>> >>
>> >
>> >You mean like self proclaimed socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? AOC
>> >is a real nut job. Even the big unions are against her. Even
>> >Greenpeace thinks she it nuts. Most of the Dems that have announced
>> >will guarantee Trump will win again.
>>
>> A people gets the government it deserves.
>
>You're not wrong. When we abandoned any attempt at educating our
>populace, Trump was the inevitable conclusion.
>
>Cindy Hamilton
rumps's daddy bought him his degree

==

Are you serious??

Janet wrote:
>
> says...
> > What is a Big Mac?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac

"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>
> Most people watch TV and Fox for entertainment, nothing so serious as
> understanding their government.

Damn! Most people? Now you've turned into Dsi1. oh man

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
> rumps's daddy bought him his degree
>
> ==
>
> Are you serious??

She probably is. You shouldn't take her word for it though.
Any anti-Trump thing is a good thing for JanB, bless her heart.

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 11:32:28 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
> >
> > Most people watch TV and Fox for entertainment, nothing so serious as
> > understanding their government.
>
> Damn! Most people? Now you've turned into Dsi1. oh man

In this context, we were talking about Trump partisans. But you
make a good point.

Cindy Hamilton

On 3/15/2019 8:58 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 05:50:27 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 6:30:14 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 03:23:25 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 6:16:51 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 03:10:14 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Moderates are getting scarce as hen's teeth. The system of primaries
>>>>>> and caucases ensures that candidates are moving to the extremes.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Moderates" won't change anything. Under "moderates" the
>>>>> corporations/big companies/rich people will retain all the power and
>>>>> the average people will continue to be screwed over.
>>>>
>>>> I hate to be the one to tell you, but corporations/big companies/rich
>>>> people will always have all the power.
>>>
>>> You can nibble bits off that power by electing the right people. But
>>> for some stange reason Americans think that these people are
>>> socialists.
>>
>> Because Fox News tells them so. They aren't sophisticated enough thinkers
>> to know the difference between socialists and social democrats.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> C'mon, they don't even know what socialist means. They've been taught
> that it must be really bad by those who want to keep their power.
> Most people watch TV and Fox for entertainment, nothing so serious as
> understanding their government.
>

Simple definition:
An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are
controlled substantially by the government rather than by private
enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides
economic activity. There are many varieties of socialism.


That sounds nice, but do you want the government to control everything?
Do you want the government to determine the cars we drive, the types of
housing to be built, how much money we can earn? Government control of
food production? What the stores will carry?

Then you move to the Democratic Socialits
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political
democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production.
Democratic socialism is the wing of the socialist movement that combines
a belief in a socially owned economy with that of political
democracy.</ref> with an emphasis on self-management and democratic
management of economic institutions within a market or some form of
decentralized planned socialist economy.[1] Democratic socialists
espouse that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold
to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and
that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a
socialist socie


Now, please tell us what you think it is and what you would like to happen.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 08:58:21 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
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>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>
>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 10:23:34 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>>"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Chili (the soup) is generally made this way.
>>>> saute some chopped onions, brown some ground beef, season with salt,
>>>> pepper and chili powder (chili powder contains garlic powder, onion
>>>> powder, paprika, cumin, oregano, and some sort of hot pepper powder,
>>>> probably cayenne pepper), add canned tomatoes of some sort (depends on
>>>> the cook) may be diced, whole, sauce etc.
>>>
>>>Interesting that you call that a soup. I've always thought of
>>>it as more of a stew. So I looked it up and see that
>>>soup vs stew is an age-old debate.
>>>
>>>It is, at least, a very thick soup. You wouldn't make a
>>>"Chili dog" using a normal soup.
>>
>> In this instance it is apropos because Ophelia said she thought it was
>> a sauce. Calling it a soup further defined it
>>
>> ===
>>
>> It did indeed, thank you!
>
>Just to confuse things, there is something called chili sauce. It's somewhat
>like ketchup. I use it in meatloaf. Not sure how the name came about. Bears
>no taste resemblance to chili whatever.

Everyone's concept of "chili" is different. I much prefer my recipe
that's in the RFC Cookbook.

>==
>
>Is it spicy?

Typically not... bottled chilli sauce is like ketchup only thinner and
sweeter. There are as many different recipes for bottled chilli sauce
as there are for bottled bbq sauce. Personally I don't like any of
them... I much prefer ketchup/Heinz red, or I'll make up my own
sauce/dry rub from scratch. For spicy I'd look at "hot sauce"... some
hot sauce is flavorful yet not very spicy.

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 12:22:06 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 08:58:21 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
> >
> >
> >Just to confuse things, there is something called chili sauce. It's somewhat
> >like ketchup. I use it in meatloaf. Not sure how the name came about. Bears
> >no taste resemblance to chili whatever.
>
> >
> >Is it spicy?
>
> Typically not... bottled chilli sauce is like ketchup only thinner and
> sweeter. There are as many different recipes for bottled chilli sauce
> as there are for bottled bbq sauce. Personally I don't like any of
> them... I much prefer ketchup/Heinz red, or I'll make up my own
> sauce/dry rub from scratch. For spicy I'd look at "hot sauce"... some
> hot sauce is flavorful yet not very spicy.
>
You're beating a dead horse. OhFeelMe has had chili (the food) and chili
powder and chili sauce explained to her e.v.e.r.y s.i.n.g.l.e t.i.m.e this subject arises which is about 3 times per year. Someone must have told her
that stupidity is a virtue.

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 6:47:01 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/15/2019 8:58 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 05:50:27 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 6:30:14 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 03:23:25 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 6:16:51 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 03:10:14 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Moderates are getting scarce as hen's teeth. The system of primaries
> >>>>>> and caucases ensures that candidates are moving to the extremes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Moderates" won't change anything. Under "moderates" the
> >>>>> corporations/big companies/rich people will retain all the power and
> >>>>> the average people will continue to be screwed over.
> >>>>
> >>>> I hate to be the one to tell you, but corporations/big companies/rich
> >>>> people will always have all the power.
> >>>
> >>> You can nibble bits off that power by electing the right people. But
> >>> for some stange reason Americans think that these people are
> >>> socialists.
> >>
> >> Because Fox News tells them so. They aren't sophisticated enough thinkers
> >> to know the difference between socialists and social democrats.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > C'mon, they don't even know what socialist means. They've been taught
> > that it must be really bad by those who want to keep their power.
> > Most people watch TV and Fox for entertainment, nothing so serious as
> > understanding their government.
> >
>
> Simple definition:
> An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are
> controlled substantially by the government rather than by private
> enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides
> economic activity. There are many varieties of socialism.
>
>
> That sounds nice, but do you want the government to control everything?
> Do you want the government to determine the cars we drive, the types of
> housing to be built, how much money we can earn? Government control of
> food production? What the stores will carry?
>
> Then you move to the Democratic Socialits
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
> Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political
> democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production.
> Democratic socialism is the wing of the socialist movement that combines
> a belief in a socially owned economy with that of political
> democracy.</ref> with an emphasis on self-management and democratic
> management of economic institutions within a market or some form of
> decentralized planned socialist economy.[1] Democratic socialists
> espouse that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold
> to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and
> that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a
> socialist socie
>
>
> Now, please tell us what you think it is and what you would like to happen.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 05:50:27 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 6:30:14 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 03:23:25 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 6:16:51 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 03:10:14 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Moderates are getting scarce as hen's teeth. The system of primaries
>> >> >and caucases ensures that candidates are moving to the extremes.
>> >>
>> >> "Moderates" won't change anything. Under "moderates" the
>> >> corporations/big companies/rich people will retain all the power and
>> >> the average people will continue to be screwed over.
>> >
>> >I hate to be the one to tell you, but corporations/big companies/rich
>> >people will always have all the power.
>>
>> You can nibble bits off that power by electing the right people. But
>> for some stange reason Americans think that these people are
>> socialists.
>
>Because Fox News tells them so. They aren't sophisticated enough thinkers
>to know the difference between socialists and social democrats.

Yes, I guess. It's a shame.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:46:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/15/2019 8:58 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

>> C'mon, they don't even know what socialist means. They've been taught
>> that it must be really bad by those who want to keep their power.
>> Most people watch TV and Fox for entertainment, nothing so serious as
>> understanding their government.
>>
>
>Simple definition:
>An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are
>controlled substantially by the government rather than by private
>enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides
>economic activity. There are many varieties of socialism.
>
>
>That sounds nice, but do you want the government to control everything?
>Do you want the government to determine the cars we drive, the types of
>housing to be built, how much money we can earn? Government control of
>food production? What the stores will carry?
>
>Then you move to the Democratic Socialits
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
>Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political
>democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production.
>Democratic socialism is the wing of the socialist movement that combines
>a belief in a socially owned economy with that of political
>democracy.</ref> with an emphasis on self-management and democratic
>management of economic institutions within a market or some form of
>decentralized planned socialist economy.[1] Democratic socialists
>espouse that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold
>to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and
>that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a
>socialist socie
>
>
>Now, please tell us what you think it is and what you would like to happen.

Why do you only offer two forms of socialism as choices? A democratic
socialist isn't the same thing as a social democrat, by the way. You
hear the word "social" and you get spams because you think it refers
to socialism.

On 3/15/2019 2:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:46:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/15/2019 8:58 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>>> C'mon, they don't even know what socialist means. They've been taught
>>> that it must be really bad by those who want to keep their power.
>>> Most people watch TV and Fox for entertainment, nothing so serious as
>>> understanding their government.
>>>
>>
>> Simple definition:
>> An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are
>> controlled substantially by the government rather than by private
>> enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides
>> economic activity. There are many varieties of socialism.
>>
>>
>> That sounds nice, but do you want the government to control everything?
>> Do you want the government to determine the cars we drive, the types of
>> housing to be built, how much money we can earn? Government control of
>> food production? What the stores will carry?
>>
>> Then you move to the Democratic Socialits
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
>> Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political
>> democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production.
>> Democratic socialism is the wing of the socialist movement that combines
>> a belief in a socially owned economy with that of political
>> democracy.</ref> with an emphasis on self-management and democratic
>> management of economic institutions within a market or some form of
>> decentralized planned socialist economy.[1] Democratic socialists
>> espouse that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold
>> to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and
>> that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a
>> socialist socie
>>
>>
>> Now, please tell us what you think it is and what you would like to happen.
>
> Why do you only offer two forms of socialism as choices? A democratic
> socialist isn't the same thing as a social democrat, by the way. You
> hear the word "social" and you get spams because you think it refers
> to socialism.
>

So, why not explain the difference? Rather than educate do you just
want to irritate?

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:05:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/15/2019 2:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:46:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/15/2019 8:58 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>>>> C'mon, they don't even know what socialist means. They've been taught
>>>> that it must be really bad by those who want to keep their power.
>>>> Most people watch TV and Fox for entertainment, nothing so serious as
>>>> understanding their government.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Simple definition:
>>> An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are
>>> controlled substantially by the government rather than by private
>>> enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides
>>> economic activity. There are many varieties of socialism.
>>>
>>>
>>> That sounds nice, but do you want the government to control everything?
>>> Do you want the government to determine the cars we drive, the types of
>>> housing to be built, how much money we can earn? Government control of
>>> food production? What the stores will carry?
>>>
>>> Then you move to the Democratic Socialits
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
>>> Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political
>>> democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production.
>>> Democratic socialism is the wing of the socialist movement that combines
>>> a belief in a socially owned economy with that of political
>>> democracy.</ref> with an emphasis on self-management and democratic
>>> management of economic institutions within a market or some form of
>>> decentralized planned socialist economy.[1] Democratic socialists
>>> espouse that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold
>>> to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and
>>> that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a
>>> socialist socie
>>>
>>>
>>> Now, please tell us what you think it is and what you would like to happen.
>>
>> Why do you only offer two forms of socialism as choices? A democratic
>> socialist isn't the same thing as a social democrat, by the way. You
>> hear the word "social" and you get spams because you think it refers
>> to socialism.
>>
>
>So, why not explain the difference? Rather than educate do you just
>want to irritate?

Because of your choice of two forms of socialism to make some kind of
clueless point. I think you were confusing a social democrat and a
democratic socialist.

S O C I A L vs. S O C I A L I S T

It's social to keep the door open for someone, but it doesn't make you
a socialist.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 09:46:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 11:32:28 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>> >
>> > Most people watch TV and Fox for entertainment, nothing so serious as
>> > understanding their government.
>>
>> Damn! Most people? Now you've turned into Dsi1. oh man
>
>In this context, we were talking about Trump partisans. But you
>make a good point.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

O.k., what percent of the general population do you think actually pay
attention to what is going on in their government and how it impacts
their lives? I'm pretty negative on this. I see the u. rah, rah at
the rump events when all he does is wiggle his finger. He speaks in
bumper stickers. But he does put on a show. I can see people eagerly
awaiting his first tweet of the day just like they waited for the
comics in the papers. I will concede that listening/reading/watching
straight news of the day can be boring in contrast.
How I feel about the general population knowing what is going on in
their government has nothing at all to do with this administration.
All they know is when their taxes are up, a social service is cut,
etc., then they bitch at whatever entity is handy.
Janet US

On 3/15/2019 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:05:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/15/2019 2:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:46:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/15/2019 8:58 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>>>> C'mon, they don't even know what socialist means. They've been taught
>>>>> that it must be really bad by those who want to keep their power.
>>>>> Most people watch TV and Fox for entertainment, nothing so serious as
>>>>> understanding their government.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Simple definition:
>>>> An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are
>>>> controlled substantially by the government rather than by private
>>>> enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides
>>>> economic activity. There are many varieties of socialism.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That sounds nice, but do you want the government to control everything?
>>>> Do you want the government to determine the cars we drive, the types of
>>>> housing to be built, how much money we can earn? Government control of
>>>> food production? What the stores will carry?
>>>>
>>>> Then you move to the Democratic Socialits
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
>>>> Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political
>>>> democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production.
>>>> Democratic socialism is the wing of the socialist movement that combines
>>>> a belief in a socially owned economy with that of political
>>>> democracy.</ref> with an emphasis on self-management and democratic
>>>> management of economic institutions within a market or some form of
>>>> decentralized planned socialist economy.[1] Democratic socialists
>>>> espouse that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold
>>>> to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and
>>>> that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a
>>>> socialist socie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now, please tell us what you think it is and what you would like to happen.
>>>
>>> Why do you only offer two forms of socialism as choices? A democratic
>>> socialist isn't the same thing as a social democrat, by the way. You
>>> hear the word "social" and you get spams because you think it refers
>>> to socialism.
>>>
>>
>> So, why not explain the difference? Rather than educate do you just
>> want to irritate?
>
> Because of your choice of two forms of socialism to make some kind of
> clueless point. I think you were confusing a social democrat and a
> democratic socialist.
>
> S O C I A L vs. S O C I A L I S T
>
> It's social to keep the door open for someone, but it doesn't make you
> a socialist.
>
OK, so you don't know either.

I do know I don't want the government ruling my life.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:46:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/15/2019 8:58 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 05:50:27 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 6:30:14 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 03:23:25 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 6:16:51 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 03:10:14 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moderates are getting scarce as hen's teeth. The system of primaries
>>>>>>> and caucases ensures that candidates are moving to the extremes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Moderates" won't change anything. Under "moderates" the
>>>>>> corporations/big companies/rich people will retain all the power and
>>>>>> the average people will continue to be screwed over.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hate to be the one to tell you, but corporations/big companies/rich
>>>>> people will always have all the power.
>>>>
>>>> You can nibble bits off that power by electing the right people. But
>>>> for some stange reason Americans think that these people are
>>>> socialists.
>>>
>>> Because Fox News tells them so. They aren't sophisticated enough thinkers
>>> to know the difference between socialists and social democrats.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> C'mon, they don't even know what socialist means. They've been taught
>> that it must be really bad by those who want to keep their power.
>> Most people watch TV and Fox for entertainment, nothing so serious as
>> understanding their government.
>>
>
>Simple definition:
>An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are
>controlled substantially by the government rather than by private
>enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides
>economic activity. There are many varieties of socialism.
>
>
>That sounds nice, but do you want the government to control everything?
>Do you want the government to determine the cars we drive, the types of
>housing to be built, how much money we can earn? Government control of
>food production? What the stores will carry?
>
>Then you move to the Democratic Socialits
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
>Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political
>democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production.
>Democratic socialism is the wing of the socialist movement that combines
>a belief in a socially owned economy with that of political
>democracy.</ref> with an emphasis on self-management and democratic
>management of economic institutions within a market or some form of
>decentralized planned socialist economy.[1] Democratic socialists
>espouse that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold
>to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and
>that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a
>socialist socie
>
>
>Now, please tell us what you think it is and what you would like to happen.
>
What you posted has nothing to do with my point. The general populace
knows nothing about types of governance and don't care to.
I simply am waiting and watching as each contender puts themselves out
there and begins to hone their message. I am not willing to downplay
everyone up front. As to OAC, my impression is that you would be
against anything having to do with conservation or anything that
hinted at climate change. OAC has certainly put herself out there to
be vilified. She's a threatening magnet. She's young, female,
attractive, isn't afraid to speak out and speak back. She's a threat
to most older men regardless of her message.
Janet US

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:39:58 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/15/2019 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:05:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/15/2019 2:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:46:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/15/2019 8:58 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> C'mon, they don't even know what socialist means. They've been taught
>>>>>> that it must be really bad by those who want to keep their power.
>>>>>> Most people watch TV and Fox for entertainment, nothing so serious as
>>>>>> understanding their government.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Simple definition:
>>>>> An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are
>>>>> controlled substantially by the government rather than by private
>>>>> enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides
>>>>> economic activity. There are many varieties of socialism.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That sounds nice, but do you want the government to control everything?
>>>>> Do you want the government to determine the cars we drive, the types of
>>>>> housing to be built, how much money we can earn? Government control of
>>>>> food production? What the stores will carry?
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you move to the Democratic Socialits
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
>>>>> Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political
>>>>> democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production.
>>>>> Democratic socialism is the wing of the socialist movement that combines
>>>>> a belief in a socially owned economy with that of political
>>>>> democracy.</ref> with an emphasis on self-management and democratic
>>>>> management of economic institutions within a market or some form of
>>>>> decentralized planned socialist economy.[1] Democratic socialists
>>>>> espouse that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold
>>>>> to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and
>>>>> that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a
>>>>> socialist socie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, please tell us what you think it is and what you would like to happen.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you only offer two forms of socialism as choices? A democratic
>>>> socialist isn't the same thing as a social democrat, by the way. You
>>>> hear the word "social" and you get spams because you think it refers
>>>> to socialism.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So, why not explain the difference? Rather than educate do you just
>>> want to irritate?
>>
>> Because of your choice of two forms of socialism to make some kind of
>> clueless point. I think you were confusing a social democrat and a
>> democratic socialist.
>>
>> S O C I A L vs. S O C I A L I S T
>>
>> It's social to keep the door open for someone, but it doesn't make you
>> a socialist.
>>
>OK, so you don't know either.
>
>I do know I don't want the government ruling my life.

Here we go again. You're still stuck on socialism. You really live in
the dark ages.

In article >, Bruce
> wrote:

> I understand that people can be disgruntled. I don't understand that
> those people think Trump's going to help them or cares the slightest
> bit about them.

President Trump doesn't care about me. He cares about the engine of the
economy and bringing manufacturing back to America. It turns out that I
care about that more than I care about Bob in Boston and his travails
with addiction. Bob needs a job.

leo

On 2019-03-15 1:43 p.m., wrote:
> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 12:22:06 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>

>>> Is it spicy?
>>
>> Typically not... bottled chilli sauce is like ketchup only thinner
>> and sweeter. There are as many different recipes for bottled chilli
>> sauce as there are for bottled bbq sauce. Personally I don't like
>> any of them... I much prefer ketchup/Heinz red, or I'll make up my
>> own sauce/dry rub from scratch. For spicy I'd look at "hot
>> sauce"... some hot sauce is flavorful yet not very spicy.
>>
> You're beating a dead horse. OhFeelMe has had chili (the food) and
> chili powder and chili sauce explained to her e.v.e.r.y s.i.n.g.l.e
> t.i.m.e this subject arises which is about 3 times per year. Someone
> must have told her that stupidity is a virtue.
>

It's a pity that it is the only lesson she ever took seriously.

On 2019-03-15 3:05 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/15/2019 2:20 PM, Bruce wrote:

>> Why do you only offer two forms of socialism as choices? A democratic
>> socialist isn't the same thing as a social democrat, by the way. You
>> hear the word "social" and you get spams because you think it refers
>> to socialism.
>>
>
> So, why not explain the difference?Â* Rather than educate do you just
> want to irritate?

He really is all about the irritation.

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 4:14:49 PM UTC-4, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >, Bruce
> > wrote:
>
> > I understand that people can be disgruntled. I don't understand that
> > those people think Trump's going to help them or cares the slightest
> > bit about them.
>
> President Trump doesn't care about me. He cares about the engine of the
> economy and bringing manufacturing back to America. It turns out that I
> care about that more than I care about Bob in Boston and his travails
> with addiction. Bob needs a job.
>
> leo

President Trump cares about President Trump. If he can take credit for
jobs and the economy, that's fine with him.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 13:14:44 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >, Bruce
> wrote:
>
>> I understand that people can be disgruntled. I don't understand that
>> those people think Trump's going to help them or cares the slightest
>> bit about them.
>
>President Trump doesn't care about me. He cares about the engine of the
>economy and bringing manufacturing back to America. It turns out that I
>care about that more than I care about Bob in Boston and his travails
>with addiction. Bob needs a job.

I don't think you can bring much manufacturing back. Western countries
can't compete with cheap labour and bad working conditions in Asia.
Even the Trump voters will buy the cheap Chinese product over the more
expensive American product.

In article >, Bruce
> wrote:

> I don't think you can bring much manufacturing back. Western countries
> can't compete with cheap labour and bad working conditions in Asia.
> Even the Trump voters will buy the cheap Chinese product over the more
> expensive American product.

Time will tell. You may be right. Some might not see what he's trying,
but China does. And as far as his tariff policy if talks fall through,
time will tell. I'm looking forward to finding out. Some think
Armageddon will be the result.

leo

On 3/15/2019 3:40 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> What you posted has nothing to do with my point. The general populace
> knows nothing about types of governance and don't care to.
> I simply am waiting and watching as each contender puts themselves out
> there and begins to hone their message. I am not willing to downplay
> everyone up front.

Sensible and I agree somewhat but some have put out enough to be
cancelled from my consideration.


As to OAC, my impression is that you would be
> against anything having to do with conservation or anything that
> hinted at climate change. OAC has certainly put herself out there to
> be vilified. She's a threatening magnet. She's young, female,
> attractive, isn't afraid to speak out and speak back. She's a threat
> to most older men regardless of her message.
> Janet US
>

Your impression is very wrong. I'm very much in favor of conservation
and have practiced more than most for many years. Long before she was
born I was doing things to conserve energy and help the environment.
I spent quite a bit on my house and the last two to make it energy
efficient, as the same where I worked. I'll give a list if requested.

She would get much more attention from people if she did not make loopy
statements and be a hypocrite. There have been many articles about her
travel and use of fossil fuels when she could have set an example for
others.

AOC talked about changes needing to be made in NYC after a Yellow Cab
driver committed suicide because he could not make a living because of
competition from other ride companies. While talking about the need for
change, she used Uber 238 times for her campaign. I don't support
hypocrites.

Speaking out is good, but make sense when you do. Parts of her program
may make some sense but she is going about it the wrong way. She does
not know the difference between a tax credit and money in the bank.

She will crash and burn and even the AFL-CIO thinks she is a danger to
people's livelihoods.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 14:23:57 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >, Bruce
> wrote:
>
>> I don't think you can bring much manufacturing back. Western countries
>> can't compete with cheap labour and bad working conditions in Asia.
>> Even the Trump voters will buy the cheap Chinese product over the more
>> expensive American product.
>
>Time will tell. You may be right. Some might not see what he's trying,
>but China does. And as far as his tariff policy if talks fall through,
>time will tell. I'm looking forward to finding out. Some think
>Armageddon will be the result.

Yes, maybe another world wide crisis.

On 3/15/2019 3:43 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:39:58 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/15/2019 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:05:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/15/2019 2:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:46:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/15/2019 8:58 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> C'mon, they don't even know what socialist means. They've been taught
>>>>>>> that it must be really bad by those who want to keep their power.
>>>>>>> Most people watch TV and Fox for entertainment, nothing so serious as
>>>>>>> understanding their government.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simple definition:
>>>>>> An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are
>>>>>> controlled substantially by the government rather than by private
>>>>>> enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides
>>>>>> economic activity. There are many varieties of socialism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That sounds nice, but do you want the government to control everything?
>>>>>> Do you want the government to determine the cars we drive, the types of
>>>>>> housing to be built, how much money we can earn? Government control of
>>>>>> food production? What the stores will carry?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you move to the Democratic Socialits
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
>>>>>> Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political
>>>>>> democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production.
>>>>>> Democratic socialism is the wing of the socialist movement that combines
>>>>>> a belief in a socially owned economy with that of political
>>>>>> democracy.</ref> with an emphasis on self-management and democratic
>>>>>> management of economic institutions within a market or some form of
>>>>>> decentralized planned socialist economy.[1] Democratic socialists
>>>>>> espouse that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold
>>>>>> to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and
>>>>>> that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a
>>>>>> socialist socie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, please tell us what you think it is and what you would like to happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you only offer two forms of socialism as choices? A democratic
>>>>> socialist isn't the same thing as a social democrat, by the way. You
>>>>> hear the word "social" and you get spams because you think it refers
>>>>> to socialism.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, why not explain the difference? Rather than educate do you just
>>>> want to irritate?
>>>
>>> Because of your choice of two forms of socialism to make some kind of
>>> clueless point. I think you were confusing a social democrat and a
>>> democratic socialist.
>>>
>>> S O C I A L vs. S O C I A L I S T
>>>
>>> It's social to keep the door open for someone, but it doesn't make you
>>> a socialist.
>>>
>> OK, so you don't know either.
>>
>> I do know I don't want the government ruling my life.
>
> Here we go again. You're still stuck on socialism. You really live in
> the dark ages.
>
Yet you still give no idea of what is wrong and what is good about
whatever social reforms you support. You sir. are just stirring shit
and being an agitator but have nothing to stand on.

Meantime, I'm enjoying life in the dark ages.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 18:52:13 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/15/2019 3:43 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:39:58 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/15/2019 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:05:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/15/2019 2:20 PM, Bruce wrote:

>>>>>> Why do you only offer two forms of socialism as choices? A democratic
>>>>>> socialist isn't the same thing as a social democrat, by the way. You
>>>>>> hear the word "social" and you get spams because you think it refers
>>>>>> to socialism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, why not explain the difference? Rather than educate do you just
>>>>> want to irritate?
>>>>
>>>> Because of your choice of two forms of socialism to make some kind of
>>>> clueless point. I think you were confusing a social democrat and a
>>>> democratic socialist.
>>>>
>>>> S O C I A L vs. S O C I A L I S T
>>>>
>>>> It's social to keep the door open for someone, but it doesn't make you
>>>> a socialist.
>>>>
>>> OK, so you don't know either.
>>>
>>> I do know I don't want the government ruling my life.
>>
>> Here we go again. You're still stuck on socialism. You really live in
>> the dark ages.
>>
>Yet you still give no idea of what is wrong and what is good about
>whatever social reforms you support. You sir. are just stirring shit
>and being an agitator but have nothing to stand on.
>
>Meantime, I'm enjoying life in the dark ages.

I want a transfer of power from the corporations/the big
companies/rich people to the average people, the masses.

That has nothing to do with socialism, but everything with 'social'.

On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 3:30:35 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 4:14:49 PM UTC-4, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> > In article >, Bruce
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > I understand that people can be disgruntled. I don't understand that
> > > those people think Trump's going to help them or cares the slightest
> > > bit about them.
> >
> > President Trump doesn't care about me. He cares about the engine of the
> > economy and bringing manufacturing back to America. It turns out that I
> > care about that more than I care about Bob in Boston and his travails
> > with addiction. Bob needs a job.
> >
> > leo
>
> President Trump cares about President Trump. If he can take credit for
> jobs and the economy, that's fine with him.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Such is the Nature of Malignant Narcissistic Personality Disorder sufferer!! He actually BELIEVES he is the reason for all good things that happen. To HIM!!

And deflects the negative!

John Kuthe, Climate Activist!

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 18:48:54 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/15/2019 3:40 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> What you posted has nothing to do with my point. The general populace
>> knows nothing about types of governance and don't care to.
>> I simply am waiting and watching as each contender puts themselves out
>> there and begins to hone their message. I am not willing to downplay
>> everyone up front.
>
>Sensible and I agree somewhat but some have put out enough to be
>cancelled from my consideration.
>
>
> As to OAC, my impression is that you would be
>> against anything having to do with conservation or anything that
>> hinted at climate change. OAC has certainly put herself out there to
>> be vilified. She's a threatening magnet. She's young, female,
>> attractive, isn't afraid to speak out and speak back. She's a threat
>> to most older men regardless of her message.
>> Janet US
>>
>
>Your impression is very wrong. I'm very much in favor of conservation
>and have practiced more than most for many years. Long before she was
>born I was doing things to conserve energy and help the environment.
>I spent quite a bit on my house and the last two to make it energy
>efficient, as the same where I worked. I'll give a list if requested.

Does the list start with leaving your airco on 24/24?

>She would get much more attention from people if she did not make loopy
>statements and be a hypocrite.

Maybe her statements come across loopy because you deliberately
misrepresent them. Maybe you want her to shut up and choose her food
from a menu without prices.

>There have been many articles about her
>travel and use of fossil fuels when she could have set an example for
>others.

I now know that everything you say about her, could be spin and has to
be double checked. You have an agenda.

On 3/15/2019 7:10 PM, Bruce wrote:

>
> Does the list start with leaving your airco on 24/24?

Not on all the time, but I'm comfortable and use less energy than most.
I invested in economical equipment and insulation to assure both my
comfort and not waste energy. Same with lighting, all LED and only used
where necessary.


>
>> There have been many articles about her
>> travel and use of fossil fuels when she could have set an example for
>> others.
>
> I now know that everything you say about her, could be spin and has to
> be double checked. You have an agenda.
>
My agenda is sensibility in life and government. Congresspeople have to
file about their finances and this articles uses those numbers.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/03/ocasio...-in-the-world/

On 3/15/2019 7:05 PM, Bruce wrote:

> I want a transfer of power from the corporations/the big
> companies/rich people to the average people, the masses.
>
> That has nothing to do with socialism, but everything with 'social'.
>

How do you accomplish that? Surely ther is a plan.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 19:39:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/15/2019 7:10 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>
>> Does the list start with leaving your airco on 24/24?
>
>Not on all the time, but I'm comfortable and use less energy than most.
>I invested in economical equipment and insulation to assure both my
>comfort and not waste energy. Same with lighting, all LED and only used
>where necessary.
>
>
>>
>>> There have been many articles about her
>>> travel and use of fossil fuels when she could have set an example for
>>> others.
>>
>> I now know that everything you say about her, could be spin and has to
>> be double checked. You have an agenda.
>>
>My agenda is sensibility in life and government. Congresspeople have to
>file about their finances and this articles uses those numbers.
>
>https://nypost.com/2019/03/03/ocasio...-in-the-world/

Wait until you see the figures of the schmuck you're going to vote
for.

And just because a politician wants cleaner nation wide transport,
doesn't make me expect that she rides her bike to work. Only Dutch
politicians do that.

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 13:30:31 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 4:14:49 PM UTC-4, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> In article >, Bruce
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > I understand that people can be disgruntled. I don't understand that
>> > those people think Trump's going to help them or cares the slightest
>> > bit about them.
>>
>> President Trump doesn't care about me. He cares about the engine of the
>> economy and bringing manufacturing back to America. It turns out that I
>> care about that more than I care about Bob in Boston and his travails
>> with addiction. Bob needs a job.
>>
>> leo
>
>President Trump cares about President Trump. If he can take credit for
>jobs and the economy, that's fine with him.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

+1