While wondering what to do with my $6 worth of coupons for providing
feedback about the quality of corn in my $1 TV dinner, I thought of
Pot pies and .... their fried chicken! At $5 for maybe 5 pieces of
chicken in the late 80's, it was a splurge for me. But those things
reheated pretty damned good the Delonghi convection toaster oven.
And that puddle of grease they left behind on the cookie tray meant
you were about to have meal fit for a 15th century king, just
without women cooling off your high blood pressure with palm fronds.

So where do get this nowadays? I looked it up. I had to laugh shen
I saw the stats regarding reviews.

https://www.banquet.com/fried-chicke...ed-chicken-box

120 1-star reviews which all say basically the same thing: "WTF
happened? Used to be good, but now $10 for 2-3 pieces of slimy
green-skinned shit I can't even tell is or ever was chicken?". And
there's actually over 300 of those, not just 120.

And there's another 320 more 1-star reviews at Walmart.com. Customer
service stopped responding to complaints on the website 4-5 months
ago. But they still sell it at Walmart! How does a company still
justify selling that shit? Are you trying to go bankrupt? And
that's nor very good for Walmart, either. But selling shit doesn't
stop people from shopping there, apparently.

What they did for my $.10 corn complaint was send me $6 worth of
"Brown 'n Serve" sausage coupons, and two $.50 for anything else.
Their BnS sausages taste like they were made from some alien animal
(mechanically separated turkey) and take just as long to reheat as
cooking fresh sausage. So $10 worth of fried chicken complaint
coupons oughta clear the shelves of sausages and put them in Chapter
11. In an ideal world, at least. I'd rather eat Hot Pockets, but I
can't imagine what they woudl taste like now after 35 years of
cheapening.

Are there any Banquet product left out there worth trying? I had a
$.25 pot pie last week (on clearance, half prce). Just as horrible
and cheap as I remember, just only half the size. Cardboard tray,
not aluminum.

-sw

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> While wondering what to do with my $6 worth of coupons for providing
> feedback about the quality of corn in my $1 TV dinner, I thought of
> Pot pies and .... their fried chicken! At $5 for maybe 5 pieces of
> chicken in the late 80's, it was a splurge for me. But those things
> reheated pretty damned good the Delonghi convection toaster oven.
> And that puddle of grease they left behind on the cookie tray meant
> you were about to have meal fit for a 15th century king, just
> without women cooling off your high blood pressure with palm fronds.
>
> So where do get this nowadays? I looked it up. I had to laugh shen
> I saw the stats regarding reviews.
>
> https://www.banquet.com/fried-chicke...ed-chicken-box
>
> 120 1-star reviews which all say basically the same thing: "WTF
> happened? Used to be good, but now $10 for 2-3 pieces of slimy
> green-skinned shit I can't even tell is or ever was chicken?". And
> there's actually over 300 of those, not just 120.
>
> And there's another 320 more 1-star reviews at Walmart.com. Customer
> service stopped responding to complaints on the website 4-5 months
> ago. But they still sell it at Walmart! How does a company still
> justify selling that shit? Are you trying to go bankrupt? And
> that's nor very good for Walmart, either. But selling shit doesn't
> stop people from shopping there, apparently.
>
> What they did for my $.10 corn complaint was send me $6 worth of
> "Brown 'n Serve" sausage coupons, and two $.50 for anything else.
> Their BnS sausages taste like they were made from some alien animal
> (mechanically separated turkey) and take just as long to reheat as
> cooking fresh sausage. So $10 worth of fried chicken complaint
> coupons oughta clear the shelves of sausages and put them in Chapter
> 11. In an ideal world, at least. I'd rather eat Hot Pockets, but I
> can't imagine what they woudl taste like now after 35 years of
> cheapening.
>
> Are there any Banquet product left out there worth trying? I had a
> $.25 pot pie last week (on clearance, half prce). Just as horrible
> and cheap as I remember, just only half the size. Cardboard tray,
> not aluminum.
>
> -sw

The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now. About the only thing
it would be good for is or a person with no teeth. It's that soft. Doesn't
taste good either.

On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 11:34:43 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > Are there any Banquet product left out there worth trying? I had a
> > $.25 pot pie last week (on clearance, half prce). Just as horrible
> > and cheap as I remember, just only half the size.
>
> Nonsense. Fix them up a bit. Use the turkey ones (more flavor)
>
> In a deep bowl, put 1/2 cup corn (or your favorite veg), 1/3 cup
> water, then the turkey pot pie. Put lid on bowl and microwave
> (700 watts) for 3:33. Chop and stir all then microwave for
> another 2:22 or until very hot. Serve with buttered bread or
> rolls. yum
>
> Decent meal in a pinch. Quit bitching about cheap and easy meals.
> This one should make you happy enough.

Too carby with buttered bread or rolls. Too much fat anyway. Only
10 grams of protein for 320 calories. Not worth it for me. A
skinless, boneless chicken breast gives 54 grams of protein for
284 calories, and there are plenty of ways to dress it up.

Cindy Hamilton

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> Are there any Banquet product left out there worth trying? I had a
> $.25 pot pie last week (on clearance, half prce). Just as horrible
> and cheap as I remember, just only half the size.

Nonsense. Fix them up a bit. Use the turkey ones (more flavor)

In a deep bowl, put 1/2 cup corn (or your favorite veg), 1/3 cup
water, then the turkey pot pie. Put lid on bowl and microwave
(700 watts) for 3:33. Chop and stir all then microwave for
another 2:22 or until very hot. Serve with buttered bread or
rolls. yum

Decent meal in a pinch. Quit bitching about cheap and easy meals.
This one should make you happy enough.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.

Everything is horrid to you, Julie.

On 3/23/2019 12:35 PM, Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>
> Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>
Not if it's brown rice and beans!

Jill

On 3/23/2019 12:16 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 11:34:43 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>> Are there any Banquet product left out there worth trying? I had a
>>> $.25 pot pie last week (on clearance, half prce). Just as horrible
>>> and cheap as I remember, just only half the size.
>>
>> Nonsense. Fix them up a bit. Use the turkey ones (more flavor)
>>
>> In a deep bowl, put 1/2 cup corn (or your favorite veg), 1/3 cup
>> water, then the turkey pot pie. Put lid on bowl and microwave
>> (700 watts) for 3:33. Chop and stir all then microwave for
>> another 2:22 or until very hot. Serve with buttered bread or
>> rolls. yum
>>
>> Decent meal in a pinch. Quit bitching about cheap and easy meals.
>> This one should make you happy enough.
>
> Too carby with buttered bread or rolls.

I don't worry much about carbs but a Banquet frozen pot pie already has
a double crust so what's the point of serving this nuked concoction with
bread or rolls? Redundent.

> Too much fat anyway. Only
> 10 grams of protein for 320 calories. Not worth it for me. A
> skinless, boneless chicken breast gives 54 grams of protein for
> 284 calories, and there are plenty of ways to dress it up.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I hear ya! For me, make it a chicken thigh, perhaps with a light sauce.
Served with a couple of cooked veggies. Much tastier and much more
healthy than doing something wierd with an already not very good frozen
Banquet frozen turkey pot pie.

And to think not long ago he chided me for doctoring up a frozen pizza
rather than make it from scratch. Go figure.

Jill

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>
> Everything is horrid to you, Julie.

Bean burritos aren't!

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/23/2019 12:35 PM, Gary wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>>
>> Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>>
> Not if it's brown rice and beans!

My gardener is the one who eats the brown rice.

On 3/23/2019 9:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 3/23/2019 12:35 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>>>
>>> Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>>>
>> Not if it's brown rice and beans!
>
> My gardener is the one who eats the brown rice.

Oh? Well, perhaps you did say you switched to brown rice because the
gardener prefers it. Whatever. You're still the bean queen!

Jill

On 3/23/2019 9:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>>
>> Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>
> Bean burritos aren't!
>
I'm getting a little tired of hearing about beans and burritos.

Jill

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 21:51:03 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 3/23/2019 9:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>>>
>>> Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>>
>> Bean burritos aren't!
>>
>I'm getting a little tired of hearing about beans and burritos.

Maybe you don't eat them enough? They're full of energy!

On 3/23/2019 9:51 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/23/2019 9:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>>>
>>> Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>>
>> Bean burritos aren't!
>>
> I'm getting a little tired of hearing about beans and burritos.
>
> Jill

How about the farts from them later?

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/23/2019 9:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 3/23/2019 12:35 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>>>>
>>>> Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>>>>
>>> Not if it's brown rice and beans!
>>
>> My gardener is the one who eats the brown rice.
>
> Oh? Well, perhaps you did say you switched to brown rice because the
> gardener prefers it. Whatever. You're still the bean queen!

I never said *I* switched to brown rice. I do eat it sometimes. I do prefer
it but I digest white rice better so that's usually what I eat when I eat
it. I don't eat rice all that often. I do eat a lot of beans.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/23/2019 9:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>>>
>>> Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>>
>> Bean burritos aren't!
>>
> I'm getting a little tired of hearing about beans and burritos.

And I'm getting a little tired of hearing about steamed things.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

On 3/23/2019 9:51 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/23/2019 9:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>>>
>>> Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>>
>> Bean burritos aren't!
>>
> I'm getting a little tired of hearing about beans and burritos.
>
> Jill

How about the farts from them later?

--

rofl

On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 10:55:11 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/23/2019 9:51 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 3/23/2019 9:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >> "Gary" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
> >>>
> >>> Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
> >>
> >> Bean burritos aren't!
> >>
> > I'm getting a little tired of hearing about beans and burritos.
> >
> > Jill
>
> How about the farts from them later?

Energy. Doesn't your town reclaim them for a "Farts to Electricity"
program? We're completely on renewables thanks to my husband. The
collection hose is a little inconvenient, though.

Cindy Hamilton

Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 3/23/2019 9:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > >
> >>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > > On 3/23/2019 12:35 PM, Gary wrote:
> > > > > Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
> > > > >
> > > > Not if it's brown rice and beans!
> > >
> > > My gardener is the one who eats the brown rice.
> >
> > Oh? Well, perhaps you did say you switched to brown rice because
> > the gardener prefers it. Whatever. You're still the bean queen!
>
> I never said I switched to brown rice. I do eat it sometimes. I do
> prefer it but I digest white rice better so that's usually what I eat
> when I eat it. I don't eat rice all that often. I do eat a lot of
> beans.

Hey Julie,

Every now and again it might be good to remind the others you are
diabetic with that particularily hard strain that causes you to react
to certain foods for a bit (then after a break, you can eat them
again). This is actually somewhat common. My friend Susan (not a
newsgroup person) has the same issues. She's currently having to avoid
corn starch and all things corn. It's happened before and after about
6 months it clears.

The more complex carbs in beans are generally ood for your condition.
Not sure if you caught my post on 'ButterBeans' (large dried Limas) but
there are quite a few reports on them helping steady BGs. They don't
taste anything like fresh/frozen limas and for seasoning, they take
well to lots of black pepper.

jmcquown wrote:

> On 3/23/2019 9:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> >"Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > Julie Bove wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
> > >
> > > Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
> >
> > Bean burritos aren't!
> >
> I'm getting a little tired of hearing about beans and burritos.
>
> Jill

LOL, sorry but I love them too.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 3/23/2019 9:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > >
>> >>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > > > On 3/23/2019 12:35 PM, Gary wrote:
>> > > > > Julie Bove wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>> > > > >
>> > > > Not if it's brown rice and beans!
>> > >
>> > > My gardener is the one who eats the brown rice.
>> >
>> > Oh? Well, perhaps you did say you switched to brown rice because
>> > the gardener prefers it. Whatever. You're still the bean queen!
>>
>> I never said I switched to brown rice. I do eat it sometimes. I do
>> prefer it but I digest white rice better so that's usually what I eat
>> when I eat it. I don't eat rice all that often. I do eat a lot of
>> beans.
>
> Hey Julie,
>
> Every now and again it might be good to remind the others you are
> diabetic with that particularily hard strain that causes you to react
> to certain foods for a bit (then after a break, you can eat them
> again). This is actually somewhat common. My friend Susan (not a
> newsgroup person) has the same issues. She's currently having to avoid
> corn starch and all things corn. It's happened before and after about
> 6 months it clears.

Hard strain? That's a new one. There are over 300 types if diabetes but in
most cases, it makes no sense to try to ferret out the exact type as there
are only a few treatments available. There is no such thing as a strain of
diabetes.

I have *never* heard of what you said in relation to diabetes. Never!

What I *do* have is gastroparesis. That's delayed stomach emptying caused by
paralysis to the vagus nerve. Can be caused by a variety of things but
diabetes and celiac are the two most common causes.

What that means for me is that I have to watch my intake of fiber. Things
like big salads are no longer safe for me to eat. White bread and white rice
are easier for me to digest than whole wheat stuff. And many cuts of meat
are out, plus too much fat. It's not a one size fits all. I have no problems
with beans. Others with this condition might. What I eat also depends on how
well I am digesting that day. Sometimes a small amount of roast beef is
fine. Other times not.

In a nutshell, what happens if the food doesn't pass through like it should,
it sits in the stomach until it ferments, then it swims back upstream. Or in
severe cases, a bezoar will form. That's a food ball. Much like a hairball
in a cat. If that occurs, it has to be surgically removed. So... I do all
that I can so that I don't get one of those.

I also have food intolerances. Those can change. This is why I sometimes
have to avoid dairy, rye and other things. Currently only eggs. Again this
is not a one size fits all thing. There are three types of
allergy/intolerance mediated issues. IgG (what I have), IgE (life
threatening allergy) and IgA (non life threatening allergy). There is also
such a thing as OAS (oral allergy syndrome). I have that as well. Only
current culprit is pistachios. I actually have't tried a pistachio recently
to see what it does to me.

With OAS, the body mistakes food for pollen. A person with this condition
might be able to eat something like a cooked apple but not a raw one. And it
may be seasonal. This link explains it better.

https://www.webmd.com/allergies/feat...ndrome-foods#1
>
> The more complex carbs in beans are generally ood for your condition.
> Not sure if you caught my post on 'ButterBeans' (large dried Limas) but
> there are quite a few reports on them helping steady BGs. They don't
> taste anything like fresh/frozen limas and for seasoning, they take
> well to lots of black pepper.

I know what butter beans are. I have never seen anywhere that they are any
better for diabetics than other beans. I see no reason why they would be.
And there has been much debate on this NG about the difference or lack
thereof of butter beans vs. lima. A lot depends on what part of the country
you are in as to what you call them.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 18:31:00 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:

> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 3/23/2019 12:35 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>>>
>>> Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>>>
>> Not if it's brown rice and beans!
>
> My gardener is the one who eats the brown rice.

I think it's cute that after 2 years you still refer to him as "your
gardener" when that's the least of what he is. But if it makes you
feel all high society, then knock yourself out.

-sw

On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 09:51:13 -0500, cshenk wrote:

> Hey Julie,
>
> Every now and again it might be good to remind the others you are
> diabetic....

I started reading this before I just *knew* who had to be writing
it. Yep, I'm 99 of for 100.

Julie doesn't have to remind us of ANYTHING. Please.

-sw

On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:58:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:

> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On 3/23/2019 9:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> > >
>>> >>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > > > On 3/23/2019 12:35 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> > > > > Julie Bove wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > Not if it's brown rice and beans!
>>> > >
>>> > > My gardener is the one who eats the brown rice.
>>> >
>>> > Oh? Well, perhaps you did say you switched to brown rice because
>>> > the gardener prefers it. Whatever. You're still the bean queen!
>>>
>>> I never said I switched to brown rice. I do eat it sometimes. I do
>>> prefer it but I digest white rice better so that's usually what I eat
>>> when I eat it. I don't eat rice all that often. I do eat a lot of
>>> beans.
>>
>> Hey Julie,
>>
>> Every now and again it might be good to remind the others you are
>> diabetic with that particularily hard strain that causes you to react
>> to certain foods for a bit (then after a break, you can eat them
>> again). This is actually somewhat common. My friend Susan (not a
>> newsgroup person) has the same issues. She's currently having to avoid
>> corn starch and all things corn. It's happened before and after about
>> 6 months it clears.
>
> Hard strain? That's a new one. There are over 300 types if diabetes....

Yeah.... I'm not buying that. It looks like they're still debating
wether there's up to 5 of them. 300? Is that how many they have on
YOUR planet? Or is that just how many YOU have?

-sw

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 22:55:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 3/23/2019 9:51 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> I'm getting a little tired of hearing about beans and burritos.
>
> How about the farts from them later?

Better hearing then smelling.

-sw

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 11:34:30 -0500, Gary wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> Are there any Banquet product left out there worth trying? I had a
>> $.25 pot pie last week (on clearance, half prce). Just as horrible
>> and cheap as I remember, just only half the size.
>
> Nonsense. Fix them up a bit. Use the turkey ones (more flavor)
>
> In a deep bowl, put 1/2 cup corn (or your favorite veg), 1/3 cup
> water, then the turkey pot pie. Put lid on bowl and microwave
> (700 watts) for 3:33. Chop and stir all then microwave for
> another 2:22 or until very hot. Serve with buttered bread or
> rolls. yum
>
> Decent meal in a pinch. Quit bitching about cheap and easy meals.
> This one should make you happy enough.

I am very sure I would not these prepared ANY way. Let alone raw
dough in the microwave.

And why in the **** would I be adding 1/3cup water to microwaved pot
pie that's already a watery, tasteless mess?

-sw

Sqwertz wrote:

> While wondering what to do with my $6 worth of coupons for providing
> feedback about the quality of corn in my $1 TV dinner, I thought of
> Pot pies and .... their fried chicken! At $5 for maybe 5 pieces of
....

i haven't had any frozen chicken like that in
around 40yrs. it was ok back then, but we usually
had it in a bag in the freezer then once in a while
made in the oven for whatever time it was. edible,
but not what i'd consider worth buying myself.

about 5 years ago Mom got on this kick where she
wanted a t.v. dinner like salisbury steak. she also
picked up a few of the others. all of them were
horrible and she couldn't even eat them (she doesn't
do well with pepper of any kind). all i remember
tasting was salt and whatever fake flavorings they
had in there - pretty much the same as whatever they
put in those pre-made meatballs (aka gross).

much easier for me to fry a burger in some butter
with a little garlic salt.


songbird

On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 Julie Bove wrote:
>
>Hard strain? That's a new one. There are over 300 types if diabetes but in
>most cases, it makes no sense to try to ferret out the exact type as there
>are only a few treatments available. There is no such thing as a strain of
>diabetes.
>
>I have *never* heard of what you said in relation to diabetes. Never!
>
>What I *do* have is gastroparesis. That's delayed stomach emptying caused by
>paralysis to the vagus nerve. Can be caused by a variety of things but
>diabetes and celiac are the two most common causes.
>
>What that means for me is that I have to watch my intake of fiber. Things
>like big salads are no longer safe for me to eat. White bread and white rice
>are easier for me to digest than whole wheat stuff. And many cuts of meat
>are out, plus too much fat. It's not a one size fits all. I have no problems
>with beans. Others with this condition might. What I eat also depends on how
>well I am digesting that day. Sometimes a small amount of roast beef is
>fine. Other times not.
>
>In a nutshell, what happens if the food doesn't pass through like it should,
>it sits in the stomach until it ferments, then it swims back upstream. Or in
>severe cases, a bezoar will form. That's a food ball. Much like a hairball
>in a cat. If that occurs, it has to be surgically removed. So... I do all
>that I can so that I don't get one of those.
>
>I also have food intolerances. Those can change. This is why I sometimes
>have to avoid dairy, rye and other things. Currently only eggs. Again this
>is not a one size fits all thing. There are three types of
>allergy/intolerance mediated issues. IgG (what I have), IgE (life
>threatening allergy) and IgA (non life threatening allergy). There is also
>such a thing as OAS (oral allergy syndrome). I have that as well. Only
>current culprit is pistachios. I actually have't tried a pistachio recently
>to see what it does to me.
>
>With OAS, the body mistakes food for pollen. A person with this condition
>might be able to eat something like a cooked apple but not a raw one. And it
>may be seasonal. This link explains it better.
>
>I know what butter beans are. I have never seen anywhere that they are any
>better for diabetics than other beans. I see no reason why they would be.
>And there has been much debate on this NG about the difference or lack
>thereof of butter beans vs. lima. A lot depends on what part of the country
>you are in as to what you call them.

More adventures of Ms MALADY LADY coming soon.

On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 12:58:31 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> Hard strain? That's a new one. There are over 300 types if diabetes but in
> most cases, it makes no sense to try to ferret out the exact type as there
> are only a few treatments available. There is no such thing as a strain of
> diabetes.
>
> I have *never* heard of what you said in relation to diabetes. Never!
>
> What I *do* have is gastroparesis. That's delayed stomach emptying caused by
> paralysis to the vagus nerve. Can be caused by a variety of things but
> diabetes and celiac are the two most common causes.
>
> What that means for me is that I have to watch my intake of fiber. Things
> like big salads are no longer safe for me to eat. White bread and white rice
> are easier for me to digest than whole wheat stuff. And many cuts of meat
> are out, plus too much fat. It's not a one size fits all. I have no problems
> with beans. Others with this condition might. What I eat also depends on how
> well I am digesting that day. Sometimes a small amount of roast beef is
> fine. Other times not.

i have diabetes 2, and gastroparesis as well. gastroparesis is bad news. i once again started to eat large salads, and had to stop. small salads aren't as bad. i usually use boston lettuce or spring greens with some green onions and pumpkin seeds. peanut butter is extremely difficult to digest. for fiber i find that cooked veggies are not too bad. i also eat a serving of steel cut oats with raw honey every day. i try to keep my diet simple and very similar from day to day. it's not boring. for breakfast a slice of toast spread with butter, 1/2 avocado and a boiled egg. lunch usually 5 - 6 oz. meat, usually a goulash which i really like. etc. i have to stay away from too many nuts.

OSheldon wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> >Hard strain? That's a new one. There are over 300 types if diabetes but in
> >most cases, it makes no sense to try to ferret out the exact type as there
> >are only a few treatments available. There is no such thing as a strain of
> >diabetes.
> >
> >I have *never* heard of what you said in relation to diabetes. Never!
> >
> >What I *do* have is gastroparesis. That's delayed stomach emptying caused by
> >paralysis to the vagus nerve. Can be caused by a variety of things but
> >diabetes and celiac are the two most common causes.
> >
> >What that means for me is that I have to watch my intake of fiber. Things
> >like big salads are no longer safe for me to eat. White bread and white rice
> >are easier for me to digest than whole wheat stuff. And many cuts of meat
> >are out, plus too much fat. It's not a one size fits all. I have no problems
> >with beans. Others with this condition might. What I eat also depends on how
> >well I am digesting that day. Sometimes a small amount of roast beef is
> >fine. Other times not.
> >
> >In a nutshell, what happens if the food doesn't pass through like it should,
> >it sits in the stomach until it ferments, then it swims back upstream. Or in
> >severe cases, a bezoar will form. That's a food ball. Much like a hairball
> >in a cat. If that occurs, it has to be surgically removed. So... I do all
> >that I can so that I don't get one of those.
> >
> >I also have food intolerances. Those can change. This is why I sometimes
> >have to avoid dairy, rye and other things. Currently only eggs. Again this
> >is not a one size fits all thing. There are three types of
> >allergy/intolerance mediated issues. IgG (what I have), IgE (life
> >threatening allergy) and IgA (non life threatening allergy). There is also
> >such a thing as OAS (oral allergy syndrome). I have that as well. Only
> >current culprit is pistachios. I actually have't tried a pistachio recently
> >to see what it does to me.
> >
> >With OAS, the body mistakes food for pollen. A person with this condition
> >might be able to eat something like a cooked apple but not a raw one. And it
> >may be seasonal. This link explains it better.
> >
> >I know what butter beans are. I have never seen anywhere that they are any
> >better for diabetics than other beans. I see no reason why they would be..
> >And there has been much debate on this NG about the difference or lack
> >thereof of butter beans vs. lima. A lot depends on what part of the country
> >you are in as to what you call them.
>
> More adventures of Ms MALADY LADY coming soon.


LOL..."As The Bove Turns"...she's got more soap drama a - goin' on than in "The Secret Storm"... :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Storm

[...]

"Her first marriage was to Kip Rysdale, the son of Arthur Rysdale who had married her aunt Pauline Rysdale. Kip had been with a girl named Nina DeFrancisco, the daughter of his Spanish instructor. When she died, the road opened for them to marry. Then she discovered that she was pregnant by her college professor, Paul Britton. She divorced Kip and married Paul, and from this union, they had a daughter, Lisa. Kip eventually went out with a nasty woman named Janet Hill (Bibi Besch), who had become Amy's stepsister, due to her mother, Valerie marrying Peter, Amy's father. In a classic episode from the mid-sixties, Amy and Janet squared off over Kip.

Meanwhile, Amy had been on a boat with Belle Clemmens and her illegitimate daughter, Robin, when there was an accident. Robin died, and Belle, totally furious, intended to make Amy's life miserable, which she did with great glee.

Belle stole Paul Britton from Amy, which sent her into a nervous breakdown. She had been helped by a Dr. Ian Northcote, who had married her stepmother, Valerie Hill Ames. She met a man named Kevin Kincaid, and later on, married him. Conniving Belle had married his father, Dan, after using Paul and throwing him away.

Amy and Kevin divorced, and she was artificially inseminated by a Dr. Brian Neeves. A nurse named Martha Ann Ashley (Audre Johnson), who was a cohort of Belle's told her what was going on, and Belle used this as a blackmailing tactic against Amy to keep her lover stocked in racing cars. However, this backfired in Belle's face when her lover, Robert, began to see her former ward, Joanna Morrison.

Amy gave birth to Danielle, (her child that was artificially inseminated) and found out that Kevin had returned to Woodbridge. He had wanted to divorce Amy in London, (he had been shot and left paralyzed from the waist down) but he was in the middle of the living room in Valerie's house. He attempted to walk to Amy, but missed the mark by a few inches, he fell to the floor.. Amy fell to the floor as well, joined by her daughters Lisa and Danielle. Valerie came into the room and saw the love that her stepdaughter had for her husband, and they never parted again..."

[...]

"Julie Bove" > wrote in
:

>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 3/23/2019 9:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 3/23/2019 12:35 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>>>>>
>>>> Not if it's brown rice and beans!
>>>
>>> My gardener is the one who eats the brown rice.
>>
>> Oh? Well, perhaps you did say you switched to brown rice because the
>> gardener prefers it. Whatever. You're still the bean queen!
>
> I never said *I* switched to brown rice. I do eat it sometimes. I do
> prefer it but I digest white rice better so that's usually what I eat
> when I eat it. I don't eat rice all that often. I do eat a lot of
> beans.
>
I eat a lot of beans too. My favorite is to soak about 2 1/2 C great
northerns overnight, add a big glob of minced garlis, a lot of
dehydrated onions or dice a large one, a couple of bullion cubes, and
some meat for flavor - I use chicken or turkey usually - and cook for
four or more hours in a crock pot until the beans are cooked and tasty -
then on low heat until it's time to eat. Good for five or more meals for
me. For some reason I like the northerns best. I wouldn't think beans
would taste that much different.



--
I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.

wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> Hard strain? That's a new one. There are over 300 types if diabetes but in
>> most cases, it makes no sense to try to ferret out the exact type as there
>> are only a few treatments available. There is no such thing as a strain of
>> diabetes.
>>
>> I have *never* heard of what you said in relation to diabetes. Never!
>>
>> What I *do* have is gastroparesis. That's delayed stomach emptying caused by
>> paralysis to the vagus nerve. Can be caused by a variety of things but
>> diabetes and celiac are the two most common causes.
>>
>> What that means for me is that I have to watch my intake of fiber. Things
>> like big salads are no longer safe for me to eat. White bread and white rice
>> are easier for me to digest than whole wheat stuff. And many cuts of meat
>> are out, plus too much fat. It's not a one size fits all. I have no problems
>> with beans. Others with this condition might. What I eat also depends on how
>> well I am digesting that day. Sometimes a small amount of roast beef is
>> fine. Other times not.
>>
>> In a nutshell, what happens if the food doesn't pass through like it should,
>> it sits in the stomach until it ferments, then it swims back upstream. Or in
>> severe cases, a bezoar will form. That's a food ball. Much like a hairball
>> in a cat. If that occurs, it has to be surgically removed. So... I do all
>> that I can so that I don't get one of those.
>>
>> I also have food intolerances. Those can change. This is why I sometimes
>> have to avoid dairy, rye and other things. Currently only eggs. Again this
>> is not a one size fits all thing. There are three types of
>> allergy/intolerance mediated issues. IgG (what I have), IgE (life
>> threatening allergy) and IgA (non life threatening allergy). There is also
>> such a thing as OAS (oral allergy syndrome). I have that as well. Only
>> current culprit is pistachios. I actually have't tried a pistachio recently
>> to see what it does to me.
>>
>> With OAS, the body mistakes food for pollen. A person with this condition
>> might be able to eat something like a cooked apple but not a raw one. And it
>> may be seasonal. This link explains it better.
>>
>> I know what butter beans are. I have never seen anywhere that they are any
>> better for diabetics than other beans. I see no reason why they would be.
>> And there has been much debate on this NG about the difference or lack
>> thereof of butter beans vs. lima. A lot depends on what part of the country
>> you are in as to what you call them.
>
> More adventures of Ms MALADY LADY coming soon.
>

Popeye, just show yoose big ol' peepee. That'll shut her up.

Do yoose have navy tatoos on it?

Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> >>> On 3/23/2019 9:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>> >
> >>>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> >>> > > On 3/23/2019 12:35 PM, Gary wrote:
> >>> > > > Julie Bove wrote:
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > Not if it's brown rice and beans!
> >>> >
> >>> > My gardener is the one who eats the brown rice.
> > > >
> >>> Oh? Well, perhaps you did say you switched to brown rice because
> >>> the gardener prefers it. Whatever. You're still the bean queen!
> > >
> > > I never said I switched to brown rice. I do eat it sometimes. I do
> > > prefer it but I digest white rice better so that's usually what I
> > > eat when I eat it. I don't eat rice all that often. I do eat a
> > > lot of beans.
> >
> > Hey Julie,
> >
> > Every now and again it might be good to remind the others you are
> > diabetic with that particularily hard strain that causes you to
> > react to certain foods for a bit (then after a break, you can eat
> > them again). This is actually somewhat common. My friend Susan
> > (not a newsgroup person) has the same issues. She's currently
> > having to avoid corn starch and all things corn. It's happened
> > before and after about 6 months it clears.
>
> Hard strain? That's a new one. There are over 300 types if diabetes
> but in most cases, it makes no sense to try to ferret out the exact
> type as there are only a few treatments available. There is no such
> thing as a strain of diabetes.

Hard strain, my own words, meaning hard to deal with, as diet has to
shift.


>
> I have never heard of what you said in relation to diabetes. Never!
>
> What I do have is gastroparesis. That's delayed stomach emptying
> caused by paralysis to the vagus nerve. Can be caused by a variety of
> things but diabetes and celiac are the two most common causes.
>
> What that means for me is that I have to watch my intake of fiber.
> Things like big salads are no longer safe for me to eat. White bread
> and white rice are easier for me to digest than whole wheat stuff.
> And many cuts of meat are out, plus too much fat. It's not a one size
> fits all. I have no problems with beans. Others with this condition
> might. What I eat also depends on how well I am digesting that day.
> Sometimes a small amount of roast beef is fine. Other times not.
>
> In a nutshell, what happens if the food doesn't pass through like it
> should, it sits in the stomach until it ferments, then it swims back
> upstream. Or in severe cases, a bezoar will form. That's a food ball.
> Much like a hairball in a cat. If that occurs, it has to be
> surgically removed. So... I do all that I can so that I don't get one
> of those.
>
> I also have food intolerances. Those can change. This is why I
> sometimes have to avoid dairy, rye and other things. Currently only
> eggs. Again this is not a one size fits all thing. There are three
> types of allergy/intolerance mediated issues. IgG (what I have), IgE
> (life threatening allergy) and IgA (non life threatening allergy).
> There is also such a thing as OAS (oral allergy syndrome). I have
> that as well. Only current culprit is pistachios. I actually have't
> tried a pistachio recently to see what it does to me.

This is what I meant on 'hard to deal with'. It may not be distinctly
diabetic, but it's not an uncommon side thing to have.



>
> With OAS, the body mistakes food for pollen. A person with this
> condition might be able to eat something like a cooked apple but not
> a raw one. And it may be seasonal. This link explains it better.
>
> https://www.webmd.com/allergies/feat...ndrome-foods#1

THanks, a little different from Susan's issues.

> >
> > The more complex carbs in beans are generally ood for your
> > condition. Not sure if you caught my post on 'ButterBeans' (large
> > dried Limas) but there are quite a few reports on them helping
> > steady BGs. They don't taste anything like fresh/frozen limas and
> > for seasoning, they take well to lots of black pepper.
>
> I know what butter beans are. I have never seen anywhere that they
> are any better for diabetics than other beans. I see no reason why
> they would be. And there has been much debate on this NG about the
> difference or lack thereof of butter beans vs. lima. A lot depends on
> what part of the country you are in as to what you call them.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:58:25 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On 3/23/2019 9:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> >>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > > > On 3/23/2019 12:35 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>> > > > > Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > Not if it's brown rice and beans!
>>>> > >
>>>> > > My gardener is the one who eats the brown rice.
>>>> >
>>>> > Oh? Well, perhaps you did say you switched to brown rice because
>>>> > the gardener prefers it. Whatever. You're still the bean queen!
>>>>
>>>> I never said I switched to brown rice. I do eat it sometimes. I do
>>>> prefer it but I digest white rice better so that's usually what I eat
>>>> when I eat it. I don't eat rice all that often. I do eat a lot of
>>>> beans.
>>>
>>> Hey Julie,
>>>
>>> Every now and again it might be good to remind the others you are
>>> diabetic with that particularily hard strain that causes you to react
>>> to certain foods for a bit (then after a break, you can eat them
>>> again). This is actually somewhat common. My friend Susan (not a
>>> newsgroup person) has the same issues. She's currently having to avoid
>>> corn starch and all things corn. It's happened before and after about
>>> 6 months it clears.
>>
>> Hard strain? That's a new one. There are over 300 types if diabetes....
>
> Yeah.... I'm not buying that. It looks like they're still debating
> wether there's up to 5 of them. 300? Is that how many they have on
> YOUR planet? Or is that just how many YOU have?

I got that information from this book:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Yes, it was expensive and yes, I bought it in 2005. Things have changed
since then and Joslin may well have put out another book. That one is
written for Drs. so some of it was over my head but it was still an
interesting read. At that point in time, diabetes was generally classified
as type 1 (requires insulin shots to live, formerly called juvenile), type 2
(insulin resistant, treatment may include insulin), gestational (starts
usually in the last trimester of pregnancy and resolves after the baby is
born but may come back later as type 2), LADA (late adult onset, but
essentially type 1), MODY (maturity onset diabetes in the young), CFRD
(cystic fibrosis related diabetes). All prior mentioned are referred to as
diabetes mellitus but are generally lumped into type 1, type 2 or
gestational because the treatments are the same.

There is also diabetes insipidus.There are a variety of causes and reasons
for this and this too has a form of gestational diabetes. I'll throw a link
up for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_insipidus

There are other types that may or may not be permanent. For instance, an out
of whack thyroid can cause blood sugar issues. So can pancreatitis, taking
steroids, certain psychiatric meds, beta blockers and probably other things
I'm not aware of.

More recently there are the classifications of type 3 (Althzheimers), 1.5 (a
cross between 1 and 2). 2A and 2B, I'll put up a link:

https://aliscience.org/2014/09/11/tw...s-subtype-2-b/

And there is also the ever popular borderline or pre-diabetes.

No matter. The treatments are all the same. Insulin injections for those who
do not produce any or not enough. Insulin injections and/or other injectable
meds and/or pills, and/or diet and exercise.

There are some newer treatments in the testing stages for type 1 such as a
surgery or implant. I don't think those are available yet in this country.
Not to the general public anyway.

The Joslin book further spells out all of the variants but does point out
that in most cases it's a waste of time to look into this further on an
individual basis because the testing is costly and the treatments available
are still the same.

What else would you like to know?

"A Moose in Love" > wrote in message
...
On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 12:58:31 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> Hard strain? That's a new one. There are over 300 types if diabetes but in
> most cases, it makes no sense to try to ferret out the exact type as there
> are only a few treatments available. There is no such thing as a strain of
> diabetes.
>
> I have *never* heard of what you said in relation to diabetes. Never!
>
> What I *do* have is gastroparesis. That's delayed stomach emptying caused
> by
> paralysis to the vagus nerve. Can be caused by a variety of things but
> diabetes and celiac are the two most common causes.
>
> What that means for me is that I have to watch my intake of fiber. Things
> like big salads are no longer safe for me to eat. White bread and white
> rice
> are easier for me to digest than whole wheat stuff. And many cuts of meat
> are out, plus too much fat. It's not a one size fits all. I have no
> problems
> with beans. Others with this condition might. What I eat also depends on
> how
> well I am digesting that day. Sometimes a small amount of roast beef is
> fine. Other times not.

i have diabetes 2, and gastroparesis as well. gastroparesis is bad news. i
once again started to eat large salads, and had to stop. small salads
aren't as bad. i usually use boston lettuce or spring greens with some
green onions and pumpkin seeds. peanut butter is extremely difficult to
digest. for fiber i find that cooked veggies are not too bad. i also eat a
serving of steel cut oats with raw honey every day. i try to keep my diet
simple and very similar from day to day. it's not boring. for breakfast a
slice of toast spread with butter, 1/2 avocado and a boiled egg. lunch
usually 5 - 6 oz. meat, usually a goulash which i really like. etc. i have
to stay away from too many nuts.

Canned green beans are one of my go to veggies. I also drink V8 juice and
sometimes will eat a small can of tomato sauce. I *love* roasted green beans
but have to be careful not to eat too many. Fresh green beans are fine if I
cook them to death but if I'm going to do that, I might as well have the
canned. Oatmeal is fine for me too but it's not a favorite food.

Most days my breakfast is buttered toast and some cottage cheese, sometimes
with a small amount of applesauce and chia seeds on top. I eat two meals a
day and a bed time snack.

I recently found out that I was running hyperthyroid. After getting my dose
of Synthroid cut back, my appetite flew out the window. So now I can do one
meal but more like that and one snack then a smaller snack. I'm just not
hungry. That is helping my food bill! Ha! Sometimes when I get like this, I
have chicken bone broth and white rice. Easy to digest and I am getting a
little nutrition from it.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
news
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 18:31:00 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 3/23/2019 12:35 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>>>>
>>>> Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>>>>
>>> Not if it's brown rice and beans!
>>
>> My gardener is the one who eats the brown rice.
>
> I think it's cute that after 2 years you still refer to him as "your
> gardener" when that's the least of what he is. But if it makes you
> feel all high society, then knock yourself out.

It is true that he's also my handyman and a friend. But he is the one that
takes care of my gardening and that is what I first hired him for. So I
refer to him as such. I am certainly not high society. I am currently
working on my taxes. Can't file yet as I'm waiting on some paperwork but I
do know my total income for the year and that total puts me below the
poverty level for this area. Poverty level being $72,000.00 per year. That
in and of itself is a joke. In order to qualify for any sort of assistance
here, you'd have to make less than $1,500.00 per month. If that's all you
make here, you'll be homeless unless you can find some sort of shared living
situation. Gee... Maybe Kuthe could come here and... Oh, perish the thought!

"songbird" > wrote in message
...
> Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> While wondering what to do with my $6 worth of coupons for providing
>> feedback about the quality of corn in my $1 TV dinner, I thought of
>> Pot pies and .... their fried chicken! At $5 for maybe 5 pieces of
> ...
>
> i haven't had any frozen chicken like that in
> around 40yrs. it was ok back then, but we usually
> had it in a bag in the freezer then once in a while
> made in the oven for whatever time it was. edible,
> but not what i'd consider worth buying myself.
>
> about 5 years ago Mom got on this kick where she
> wanted a t.v. dinner like salisbury steak. she also
> picked up a few of the others. all of them were
> horrible and she couldn't even eat them (she doesn't
> do well with pepper of any kind). all i remember
> tasting was salt and whatever fake flavorings they
> had in there - pretty much the same as whatever they
> put in those pre-made meatballs (aka gross).
>
> much easier for me to fry a burger in some butter
> with a little garlic salt.
>
>
> songbird

The best Salisbury steak I ever had was from the South Shore Cafe in
Alameda, CA. Theirs had no filler in it at all. Just a large, oval chopped
sirloin patty. It was grilled with green pepper, white onions and mushrooms
and served with beef gravy. Mashed potatoes or white rice on the side. I
think there was also a dinner salad. They served it with a slice of cheap
white bread. I could have done without the bread.

I have tried to make this at home. It's good. Just not as good as theirs.
Gee, I am craving this now. I think I will make this later this week. Need
to get the ingredients.

"KenK" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 3/23/2019 9:31 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 3/23/2019 12:35 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Salisbury Steak used to be good. It's horrid now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything is horrid to you, Julie.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not if it's brown rice and beans!
>>>>
>>>> My gardener is the one who eats the brown rice.
>>>
>>> Oh? Well, perhaps you did say you switched to brown rice because the
>>> gardener prefers it. Whatever. You're still the bean queen!
>>
>> I never said *I* switched to brown rice. I do eat it sometimes. I do
>> prefer it but I digest white rice better so that's usually what I eat
>> when I eat it. I don't eat rice all that often. I do eat a lot of
>> beans.
>>
> I eat a lot of beans too. My favorite is to soak about 2 1/2 C great
> northerns overnight, add a big glob of minced garlis, a lot of
> dehydrated onions or dice a large one, a couple of bullion cubes, and
> some meat for flavor - I use chicken or turkey usually - and cook for
> four or more hours in a crock pot until the beans are cooked and tasty -
> then on low heat until it's time to eat. Good for five or more meals for
> me. For some reason I like the northerns best. I wouldn't think beans
> would taste that much different.

Most of them taste distinctly different to me. I think my favorite is dark
red kidney beans. Probably because that's what I grew up eating. My mom did
make navy bean soup sometimes and bought garbanzos to top salads but as far
as canned beans, the only other ones we had were kidney, pork and, or
occasionally baked. She usually made baked from scratch though.

On 2019-03-25 11:02 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>
>> I think it's cute that after 2 years you still refer to him as "your
>> gardener" when that's the least of what he is.Â* But if it makes you
>> feel all high society, then knock yourself out.
>
> It is true that he's also my handyman and a friend. But he is the one
> that takes care of my gardening and that is what I first hired him for.
> So I refer to him as such. I am certainly not high society. I am
> currently working on my taxes. Can't file yet as I'm waiting on some
> paperwork but I do know my total income for the year and that total puts
> me below the poverty level for this area. Poverty level being $72,000.00
> per year



I'm calling bullshit on that one. The poverty threhold for Washington
is $24,339 for a family of four. The median household income is 86,167.

On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 10:18:40 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2019-03-25 11:02 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > I am
> > currently working on my taxes. Can't file yet as I'm waiting on some
> > paperwork but I do know my total income for the year and that total puts
> > me below the poverty level for this area. Poverty level being $72,000.00
> > per year
>
>
> I'm calling bullshit on that one. The poverty threhold for Washington
> is $24,339 for a family of four. The median household income is 86,167.
>
I'm with you, it IS bullshit as I checked the Federal Poverty Guide. Where
she comes up with these numbers, I don't want to know.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2019-03-25 11:02 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> I think it's cute that after 2 years you still refer to him as "your
>>> gardener" when that's the least of what he is. But if it makes you
>>> feel all high society, then knock yourself out.
>>
>> It is true that he's also my handyman and a friend. But he is the one
>> that takes care of my gardening and that is what I first hired him for.
>> So I refer to him as such. I am certainly not high society. I am
>> currently working on my taxes. Can't file yet as I'm waiting on some
>> paperwork but I do know my total income for the year and that total puts
>> me below the poverty level for this area. Poverty level being $72,000.00
>> per year
>
>
>
> I'm calling bullshit on that one. The poverty threhold for Washington is
> $24,339 for a family of four. The median household income is 86,167.

I'll get you a link.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/l.../281-434107397

And another:

https://q13fox.com/2017/04/26/72000-...homish-county/

So... Low income. Is that the same as poverty? Don't know.