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songbird 24-03-2019 08:12 AM

'eat the yolks'
 
jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/23/2019 3:37 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

....
>> I believe the thrust of organic is the lack of chemicals in the
>> growing environment
>>

> There's no real oversight about that, though, is there?


yes, there is, and if you see people violating it
report them.


> Seems like
> anyone can slap a label on something and claim it's organic.


no, there are regulations and certifications to be
able to use the word on products.


> And the
> price is often more than double.


depends upon the product. we get carrots now which are
organic and nearly the same price - in some cases we can't
even find non-organic carrots any longer. yay!

if you think about it though while it may take more labor
for some crops to manage them organically and harvest them
you may make up for that change in costs by not having to
use the *cides. in the end when organic is produced in
enough quantities it should be nearly the same cost as the
*cides versions. and the big improvement is that you don't
get all those poisons dumped on the ground, in the air, in
the water...


> I, for one, always wash produce well
> before using it. Even things like winter squash, even though I won't be
> eating the shell.


i eat some of the skins on squash at times, don't
really even notice it as being different if it isn't
thick and calloused.

we grow things using what i call natural methods so
i don't worry about washing things a lot. if the
government comes along and screws up the meaning of
the word natural (like they've done with organic)
i'll have to find another.


songbird

Bruce[_28_] 24-03-2019 08:42 AM

'eat the yolks'
 
On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 03:12:13 -0400, songbird >
wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>>>

>> There's no real oversight about that, though, is there?

>
> yes, there is, and if you see people violating it
>report them.
>
>> Seems like
>> anyone can slap a label on something and claim it's organic.

>
> no, there are regulations and certifications to be
>able to use the word on products.
>
>> And the
>> price is often more than double.

>
> depends upon the product. we get carrots now which are
>organic and nearly the same price - in some cases we can't
>even find non-organic carrots any longer. yay!
>
> if you think about it though while it may take more labor
>for some crops to manage them organically and harvest them
>you may make up for that change in costs by not having to
>use the *cides. in the end when organic is produced in
>enough quantities it should be nearly the same cost as the
>*cides versions. and the big improvement is that you don't
>get all those poisons dumped on the ground, in the air, in
>the water...


Amen!

Cindy Hamilton[_2_] 24-03-2019 12:12 PM

'eat the yolks'
 
On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 8:19:50 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 3/23/2019 3:37 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 10:24:10 -0700 (PDT), "
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 10:30:02 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 04:54:49 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> she also states that all foods consumed under this dietary plan must be organic.
> >>>
> >>> Did she also state that "organic" is just a marketing scheme that has
> >>> made the "organic" people a fair amount of money. Even though the
> >>> nutrition of an "organic" banana and a "regular" banana is so small
> >>> that It really does not matter at all??
> >>>
> >> FINALLY! You and I agree on a subject; I was losing all hope.

> >
> > I believe the thrust of organic is the lack of chemicals in the
> > growing environment
> >

> There's no real oversight about that, though, is there?


Yes, there is:

<https://www.ams.usda.gov/grades-standards/organic-standards>

Cindy Hamilton

cshenk 24-03-2019 04:55 PM

'eat the yolks'
 
songbird wrote:

> A Moose in Love wrote:
> > eggs are healthier than many processed foods. a good book to read
> > in regards to this topic is 'eat the yolks.' the gal that wrote it
> > makes a very strong case for eating animal meat and fat. stay away
> > from legumes, seeds. she also states that all foods consumed under
> > this dietary plan must be organic.

>
> what a crock of poo.
>
> some people cannot deal with those fats well and
> so they have to do things differently.
>
> this is largely determined by genetics.
>
> if you have the wrong kind of genetics then that
> sort of diet will put you under faster than if you'd
> not followed it.
>
> if you don't know what kind of blood fats you have
> by the age of 25 in this modern age you probably haven't
> seen a doctor. a good blood lipid panel should help
> you figure out what to do and then check again in six
> months after changing your diet and see what happens.
>
> in my case, eating eggs and some saturated fats helps
> my blood lipids, but i also eat more fiber - legumes
> like beans are just fine.
>
> for other people this isn't a good thing at all and
> they'll not have a good lipid profile when they test.
>
> so don't blindly follow internet advice - see a doc
> and know what is up.
>
>
> songbird


This is true.

Our daughter is joining the Navy and needed a little weight loss (8
lbs). I posted various things in NextDoor (social networking site some
of you may have). Ok so I started various threads as I worked a
healthy diet of a low calorie type.

You should have seen the Keto fans jump up and down frantically!
Especially as i worked out a simple 27 calorie bread stick so she could
have something crunchy to replace potato chips....

She's hit the weight loss and a bit more, now working on running
faster.

cshenk 24-03-2019 04:56 PM

'eat the yolks'
 
Jeßus wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:05:56 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> > On 3/23/2019 11:53 AM, Je?us wrote:
> >> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 04:54:49 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> eggs are healthier than many processed foods. a good book to

> read in regards to this topic is 'eat the yolks.' the gal that wrote
> it makes a very strong case for eating animal meat and fat. stay
> away from legumes, seeds. she also states that all foods consumed
> under this dietary plan must be organic. >> >> Nothing wrong with
> eggs, or legumes and seeds for that matter. >>
> > Agreed. I had to stop at the words "dietary plan". The only
> > dietary plan I follow is to cook and eat food that I enjoy. :) It
> > includes all sorts of ingredients, and everything in moderation.
> > Organic is a high priced scam.

>
> Just about any 'diet' will work temporarily for weight loss, but will
> fail in the long term. Minimise calories and get regular exercise on a
> permanent basis is the key, but few want to hear that :)
>
> I personally feel much better eating low GI foods, although not
> fanatical about it... and not always easy in Thailand. Who can resist
> sticky rice or Durian?


Ahem, pass me my share of the Durian please? If not, I can get quite
nasty at you! (grin).

jmcquown[_2_] 24-03-2019 05:07 PM

'eat the yolks'
 
On 3/24/2019 11:55 AM, cshenk wrote:
> songbird wrote:
>
>> A Moose in Love wrote:
>>> eggs are healthier than many processed foods. a good book to read
>>> in regards to this topic is 'eat the yolks.' the gal that wrote it
>>> makes a very strong case for eating animal meat and fat. stay away
>>> from legumes, seeds. she also states that all foods consumed under
>>> this dietary plan must be organic.

>>
>> what a crock of poo.
>>
>> some people cannot deal with those fats well and
>> so they have to do things differently.
>>
>> this is largely determined by genetics.
>>
>> if you have the wrong kind of genetics then that
>> sort of diet will put you under faster than if you'd
>> not followed it.
>>
>> if you don't know what kind of blood fats you have
>> by the age of 25 in this modern age you probably haven't
>> seen a doctor. a good blood lipid panel should help
>> you figure out what to do and then check again in six
>> months after changing your diet and see what happens.
>>
>> in my case, eating eggs and some saturated fats helps
>> my blood lipids, but i also eat more fiber - legumes
>> like beans are just fine.
>>
>> for other people this isn't a good thing at all and
>> they'll not have a good lipid profile when they test.
>>
>> so don't blindly follow internet advice - see a doc
>> and know what is up.
>>
>>
>> songbird

>
> This is true.
>
> Our daughter is joining the Navy and needed a little weight loss (8
> lbs). I posted various things in NextDoor (social networking site some
> of you may have). Ok so I started various threads as I worked a
> healthy diet of a low calorie type.
>
> You should have seen the Keto fans jump up and down frantically!
> Especially as i worked out a simple 27 calorie bread stick so she could
> have something crunchy to replace potato chips....
>
> She's hit the weight loss and a bit more, now working on running
> faster.
>

No offense intended but I have to wonder... is the Navy her choice or
yours and Don's? Hopefully fully hers, since she seems to be jumping
through dietary hoops to be accepted to get through training.

Jill

[email protected] 24-03-2019 06:18 PM

'eat the yolks'
 
On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:39:41 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 05:02 24 Mar 2019, wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 18:20:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 22:53:40 GMT, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 19:40 23 Mar 2019,
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> even if it is just an orange you should wash the skin before you
>>>>>> peel it
>>>>>
>>>>>OCD?
>>>>
>>>> no its called common sense. If you peel it with your hands what ever
>>>> is on the peel will get on the orange and then in your mouth giving
>>>> you ulcers in your digestive tract which may eventually lead to a
>>>> cancerous growth in your anus causing extreme pain and usually death.
>>>> butt cancer is the worst.
>>>
>>>That's quite extreme! You should probably wash it as you don't know what
>>>all has been on it and for sure wash it if cutting into it.

>>
>> A homeless woman could have gone in the store and rubbed the orange on
>> her hepatitis infected ****. Rolled it around her ass to get a
>> fragrant aroma. then shelved the orange back where it was. Is that
>> what you mean?

>
>No doubt there are similar scatological scenarios to be had in the orange
>groves but how realistic are they?
>
>Someone could have left a dread disease like ebola on a box of cornflakes on
>the supermarket shelf but the chances are too small to spend time worrying
>about it.



yeah you say that right up until someone gets ebola from a box of corn
flakes. then the entire freakin country goes all ape shit blaming
everyone but themselves, IF they would have washed that damn orange
before they peeled it then the corn flakes would have been ok. Do they
even still make corn flakes?

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

[email protected] 24-03-2019 06:21 PM

'eat the yolks'
 
On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:33:35 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 00:24 24 Mar 2019, wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 22:53:40 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 19:40 23 Mar 2019,
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> even if it is just an orange you should wash the skin before you
>>>> peel it
>>>
>>>OCD?

>>
>> no its called common sense.

>
>OCD is essentially common sense taken to an extreme.
>
>Contamination fears, ritualistic washing, unnecessary precautions .... all to
>ward of imagines rather than real threats.
>
>Peeling an unwashed orange has probably never hurt anyone.


Ahh that may be so but you are refusing to see the humor in the
situation....

I mean seriously who the **** is going to wash and orange before they
peel it.....

(I actually do LOL)
>
>> If you peel it with your hands what ever
>> is on the peel will get on the orange and then in your mouth giving
>> you ulcers in your digestive tract which may eventually lead to a
>> cancerous growth in your anus causing extreme pain and usually death.
>> butt cancer is the worst.

>
>Perhaps you prefer to wear latex gloves when you wash and peel an orange.
>OCD can be exhausting like that.


perhaps... is it also OCD when a surgeon washes their hands before
they put latex gloves on???



--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

cshenk 24-03-2019 11:53 PM

'eat the yolks'
 
jmcquown wrote:

> On 3/24/2019 11:55 AM, cshenk wrote:
> > songbird wrote:
> >
> > > A Moose in Love wrote:
> > > > eggs are healthier than many processed foods. a good book to
> > > > read in regards to this topic is 'eat the yolks.' the gal that
> > > > wrote it makes a very strong case for eating animal meat and
> > > > fat. stay away from legumes, seeds. she also states that all
> > > > foods consumed under this dietary plan must be organic.
> > >
> >> what a crock of poo.
> > >
> >> some people cannot deal with those fats well and
> > > so they have to do things differently.
> > >
> >> this is largely determined by genetics.
> > >
> >> if you have the wrong kind of genetics then that
> > > sort of diet will put you under faster than if you'd
> > > not followed it.
> > >
> >> if you don't know what kind of blood fats you have
> > > by the age of 25 in this modern age you probably haven't
> > > seen a doctor. a good blood lipid panel should help
> > > you figure out what to do and then check again in six
> > > months after changing your diet and see what happens.
> > >
> >> in my case, eating eggs and some saturated fats helps
> > > my blood lipids, but i also eat more fiber - legumes
> > > like beans are just fine.
> > >
> >> for other people this isn't a good thing at all and
> > > they'll not have a good lipid profile when they test.
> > >
> >> so don't blindly follow internet advice - see a doc
> > > and know what is up.
> > >
> > >
> >> songbird

> >
> > This is true.
> >
> > Our daughter is joining the Navy and needed a little weight loss (8
> > lbs). I posted various things in NextDoor (social networking site
> > some of you may have). Ok so I started various threads as I worked
> > a healthy diet of a low calorie type.
> >
> > You should have seen the Keto fans jump up and down frantically!
> > Especially as i worked out a simple 27 calorie bread stick so she
> > could have something crunchy to replace potato chips....
> >
> > She's hit the weight loss and a bit more, now working on running
> > faster.
> >

> No offense intended but I have to wonder... is the Navy her choice or
> yours and Don's? Hopefully fully hers, since she seems to be jumping
> through dietary hoops to be accepted to get through training.
>
> Jill


Her's.

Jeßus[_55_] 25-03-2019 12:12 AM

'eat the yolks'
 
On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:56:56 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Jeßus wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:05:56 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On 3/23/2019 11:53 AM, Je?us wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 04:54:49 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> eggs are healthier than many processed foods. a good book to

>> read in regards to this topic is 'eat the yolks.' the gal that wrote
>> it makes a very strong case for eating animal meat and fat. stay
>> away from legumes, seeds. she also states that all foods consumed
>> under this dietary plan must be organic. >> >> Nothing wrong with
>> eggs, or legumes and seeds for that matter. >>
>> > Agreed. I had to stop at the words "dietary plan". The only
>> > dietary plan I follow is to cook and eat food that I enjoy. :) It
>> > includes all sorts of ingredients, and everything in moderation.
>> > Organic is a high priced scam.

>>
>> Just about any 'diet' will work temporarily for weight loss, but will
>> fail in the long term. Minimise calories and get regular exercise on a
>> permanent basis is the key, but few want to hear that :)
>>
>> I personally feel much better eating low GI foods, although not
>> fanatical about it... and not always easy in Thailand. Who can resist
>> sticky rice or Durian?

>
>Ahem, pass me my share of the Durian please? If not, I can get quite
>nasty at you! (grin).


Maybe I can send some in the mail <G>. I try to limit it to once a
week, it's high in calories and not exactly cheap, even here. But SO
delicious.

I think I put on 2KG in the past week. We visited the wife's home
town, and she caught up with old friends and family she hasn't seen in
a long time... out comes endless bottles of beer and food - this was
happening 2 or 3 times a day, each time we bumped into somebody else,
OMG. I finally got to see my wife's land which is way out in a rural
area, acres of rice fields.

We're returning home today, thinking of taking the train just for the
experience. Will be nice to be back in our own bed again, and to
recover from eating and drinking so much.

Leonard Blaisdell[_2_] 25-03-2019 06:19 AM

'eat the yolks'
 
In article >, Bruce
> wrote:

> Lots of older people don't like "organic". They think it's a rip-off
> or a new fad or a communist conspiracy. Old dog, new trick.


You have me pegged, new pup. There's so much I could learn from you.
Pffft.

[ObFood] About a 1" thick by 4" diameter beef tenderloin steak, canned
Del Monte brand Italian green beans and chicken Rice-A-Roni. We do eat
other starches and vegetables, but apparently not when I'm posting
"tonight's" meal lately.
Other than the tenderloin, the rest is what we call, within a narrow
range, standard fare.

leo

Julie Bove[_2_] 25-03-2019 06:43 AM

'eat the yolks'
 

"Pamela" > wrote in message
...
> On 00:24 24 Mar 2019, wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 22:53:40 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 19:40 23 Mar 2019,
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> even if it is just an orange you should wash the skin before you
>>>> peel it
>>>
>>>OCD?

>>
>> no its called common sense.

>
> OCD is essentially common sense taken to an extreme.
>
> Contamination fears, ritualistic washing, unnecessary precautions .... all
> to
> ward of imagines rather than real threats.
>
> Peeling an unwashed orange has probably never hurt anyone.
>
>> If you peel it with your hands what ever
>> is on the peel will get on the orange and then in your mouth giving
>> you ulcers in your digestive tract which may eventually lead to a
>> cancerous growth in your anus causing extreme pain and usually death.
>> butt cancer is the worst.

>
> Perhaps you prefer to wear latex gloves when you wash and peel an orange.
> OCD can be exhausting like that.


If you ever did farm work, you would wash. No toilets or sinks out there.
Now if it is something I grew myself, especially fruit from a tree, I
wouldn't bother. Stuff like lettuce, I would still rinse because...bugs and
dirt.


Julie Bove[_2_] 25-03-2019 06:44 AM

'eat the yolks'
 

"Pamela" > wrote in message
...
> On 05:02 24 Mar 2019, wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 18:20:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 22:53:40 GMT, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 19:40 23 Mar 2019,
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> even if it is just an orange you should wash the skin before you
>>>>>> peel it
>>>>>
>>>>>OCD?
>>>>
>>>> no its called common sense. If you peel it with your hands what ever
>>>> is on the peel will get on the orange and then in your mouth giving
>>>> you ulcers in your digestive tract which may eventually lead to a
>>>> cancerous growth in your anus causing extreme pain and usually death.
>>>> butt cancer is the worst.
>>>
>>>That's quite extreme! You should probably wash it as you don't know what
>>>all has been on it and for sure wash it if cutting into it.

>>
>> A homeless woman could have gone in the store and rubbed the orange on
>> her hepatitis infected ****. Rolled it around her ass to get a
>> fragrant aroma. then shelved the orange back where it was. Is that
>> what you mean?

>
> No doubt there are similar scatological scenarios to be had in the orange
> groves but how realistic are they?
>
> Someone could have left a dread disease like ebola on a box of cornflakes
> on
> the supermarket shelf but the chances are too small to spend time worrying
> about it.


They could have sneezed on it.


Julie Bove[_2_] 25-03-2019 06:51 AM

'eat the yolks'
 

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/24/2019 11:55 AM, cshenk wrote:
>> songbird wrote:
>>
>>> A Moose in Love wrote:
>>>> eggs are healthier than many processed foods. a good book to read
>>>> in regards to this topic is 'eat the yolks.' the gal that wrote it
>>>> makes a very strong case for eating animal meat and fat. stay away
>>>> from legumes, seeds. she also states that all foods consumed under
>>>> this dietary plan must be organic.
>>>
>>> what a crock of poo.
>>>
>>> some people cannot deal with those fats well and
>>> so they have to do things differently.
>>>
>>> this is largely determined by genetics.
>>>
>>> if you have the wrong kind of genetics then that
>>> sort of diet will put you under faster than if you'd
>>> not followed it.
>>>
>>> if you don't know what kind of blood fats you have
>>> by the age of 25 in this modern age you probably haven't
>>> seen a doctor. a good blood lipid panel should help
>>> you figure out what to do and then check again in six
>>> months after changing your diet and see what happens.
>>>
>>> in my case, eating eggs and some saturated fats helps
>>> my blood lipids, but i also eat more fiber - legumes
>>> like beans are just fine.
>>>
>>> for other people this isn't a good thing at all and
>>> they'll not have a good lipid profile when they test.
>>>
>>> so don't blindly follow internet advice - see a doc
>>> and know what is up.
>>>
>>>
>>> songbird

>>
>> This is true.
>>
>> Our daughter is joining the Navy and needed a little weight loss (8
>> lbs). I posted various things in NextDoor (social networking site some
>> of you may have). Ok so I started various threads as I worked a
>> healthy diet of a low calorie type.
>>
>> You should have seen the Keto fans jump up and down frantically!
>> Especially as i worked out a simple 27 calorie bread stick so she could
>> have something crunchy to replace potato chips....
>>
>> She's hit the weight loss and a bit more, now working on running
>> faster.
>>

> No offense intended but I have to wonder... is the Navy her choice or
> yours and Don's? Hopefully fully hers, since she seems to be jumping
> through dietary hoops to be accepted to get through training.


It sounds from the way that her posts are written that her daughter can't
seem to do things on her own. Just my take on it. Angela chose her own
career path and she has been responsible for her own diet and exercise since
she was about 13. She has lost weight on her own with a diet she devised. I
do still cook/bake for her occasionally and help her with cooking when she
asks me.


Jeßus[_55_] 25-03-2019 07:10 PM

'eat the yolks'
 
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:08:55 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 17:18 24 Mar 2019, wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:39:41 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 05:02 24 Mar 2019,
wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 18:20:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
> wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 22:53:40 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 19:40 23 Mar 2019,
wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> even if it is just an orange you should wash the skin before you
>>>>>>>> peel it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>OCD?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no its called common sense. If you peel it with your hands what ever
>>>>>> is on the peel will get on the orange and then in your mouth giving
>>>>>> you ulcers in your digestive tract which may eventually lead to a
>>>>>> cancerous growth in your anus causing extreme pain and usually
>>>>>> death. butt cancer is the worst.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's quite extreme! You should probably wash it as you don't know
>>>>>what all has been on it and for sure wash it if cutting into it.
>>>>
>>>> A homeless woman could have gone in the store and rubbed the orange on
>>>> her hepatitis infected ****. Rolled it around her ass to get a
>>>> fragrant aroma. then shelved the orange back where it was. Is that
>>>> what you mean?
>>>
>>>No doubt there are similar scatological scenarios to be had in the
>>>orange groves but how realistic are they?
>>>
>>>Someone could have left a dread disease like ebola on a box of
>>>cornflakes on the supermarket shelf but the chances are too small to
>>>spend time worrying about it.

>>
>> yeah you say that right up until someone gets ebola from a box of corn
>> flakes. then the entire freakin country goes all ape shit blaming
>> everyone but themselves, IF they would have washed that damn orange
>> before they peeled it then the corn flakes would have been ok. Do they
>> even still make corn flakes?

>
>Just as I said .... you act as if you have OCD.


You're relatively new here, but this Christkiller in certain ways
reminds me of somebody else who used to plague this group a few years
ago.

cshenk 25-03-2019 11:56 PM

'eat the yolks'
 
Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 3/24/2019 11:55 AM, cshenk wrote:
> > > songbird wrote:
> > >
> > > > A Moose in Love wrote:
> > > > > eggs are healthier than many processed foods. a good book to
> > > > > read in regards to this topic is 'eat the yolks.' the gal
> > > > > that wrote it makes a very strong case for eating animal meat
> > > > > and fat. stay away from legumes, seeds. she also states
> > > > > that all foods consumed under this dietary plan must be
> > > > > organic.
> > > >
> >>> what a crock of poo.
> > > >
> >>> some people cannot deal with those fats well and
> > > > so they have to do things differently.
> > > >
> >>> this is largely determined by genetics.
> > > >
> >>> if you have the wrong kind of genetics then that
> > > > sort of diet will put you under faster than if you'd
> > > > not followed it.
> > > >
> >>> if you don't know what kind of blood fats you have
> > > > by the age of 25 in this modern age you probably haven't
> > > > seen a doctor. a good blood lipid panel should help
> > > > you figure out what to do and then check again in six
> > > > months after changing your diet and see what happens.
> > > >
> >>> in my case, eating eggs and some saturated fats helps
> > > > my blood lipids, but i also eat more fiber - legumes
> > > > like beans are just fine.
> > > >
> >>> for other people this isn't a good thing at all and
> > > > they'll not have a good lipid profile when they test.
> > > >
> >>> so don't blindly follow internet advice - see a doc
> > > > and know what is up.
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> songbird
> > >
> > > This is true.
> > >
> > > Our daughter is joining the Navy and needed a little weight loss
> > > (8 lbs). I posted various things in NextDoor (social networking
> > > site some of you may have). Ok so I started various threads as I
> > > worked a healthy diet of a low calorie type.
> > >
> > > You should have seen the Keto fans jump up and down frantically!
> > > Especially as i worked out a simple 27 calorie bread stick so she
> > > could have something crunchy to replace potato chips....
> > >
> > > She's hit the weight loss and a bit more, now working on running
> > > faster.
> > >

> > No offense intended but I have to wonder... is the Navy her choice
> > or yours and Don's? Hopefully fully hers, since she seems to be
> > jumping through dietary hoops to be accepted to get through
> > training.

>
> It sounds from the way that her posts are written that her daughter
> can't seem to do things on her own. Just my take on it. Angela chose
> her own career path and she has been responsible for her own diet and
> exercise since she was about 13. She has lost weight on her own with
> a diet she devised. I do still cook/bake for her occasionally and
> help her with cooking when she asks me.


The only thing I was helping with was digging out recipes. She dug out
plenty on her own and ran the usda.gov calorie lookups on those.

Unlike some here, we cook a lot and enjoy talking about what we are
doing. Hence recent messages have included prices and calories for
some of the stuff we have made.

cshenk 25-03-2019 11:59 PM

'eat the yolks'
 
Jeßus wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:56:56 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Jeßus wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:05:56 -0400, jmcquown

> > >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 3/23/2019 11:53 AM, Je?us wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 04:54:49 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> eggs are healthier than many processed foods. a good book to
> >> read in regards to this topic is 'eat the yolks.' the gal that

> wrote >> it makes a very strong case for eating animal meat and fat.
> stay >> away from legumes, seeds. she also states that all foods
> consumed >> under this dietary plan must be organic. >> >> Nothing
> wrong with >> eggs, or legumes and seeds for that matter. >>
> >> > Agreed. I had to stop at the words "dietary plan". The only
> >> > dietary plan I follow is to cook and eat food that I enjoy. :)

> It >> > includes all sorts of ingredients, and everything in
> moderation. >> > Organic is a high priced scam.
> >>
> >> Just about any 'diet' will work temporarily for weight loss, but

> will >> fail in the long term. Minimise calories and get regular
> exercise on a >> permanent basis is the key, but few want to hear
> that :) >>
> >> I personally feel much better eating low GI foods, although not
> >> fanatical about it... and not always easy in Thailand. Who can

> resist >> sticky rice or Durian?
> >
> > Ahem, pass me my share of the Durian please? If not, I can get
> > quite nasty at you! (grin).

>
> Maybe I can send some in the mail <G>. I try to limit it to once a
> week, it's high in calories and not exactly cheap, even here. But SO
> delicious.
>
> I think I put on 2KG in the past week. We visited the wife's home
> town, and she caught up with old friends and family she hasn't seen in
> a long time... out comes endless bottles of beer and food - this was
> happening 2 or 3 times a day, each time we bumped into somebody else,
> OMG. I finally got to see my wife's land which is way out in a rural
> area, acres of rice fields.
>
> We're returning home today, thinking of taking the train just for the
> experience. Will be nice to be back in our own bed again, and to
> recover from eating and drinking so much.


LOL! I love durian! Sadly, I am the only one here so they won't let
me get one to hang on the porch to fully ripen.

I loved the trains in Japan!

cshenk 26-03-2019 12:22 AM

'eat the yolks'
 
Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

> In article >, Bruce
> > wrote:
>
> > Lots of older people don't like "organic". They think it's a rip-off
> > or a new fad or a communist conspiracy. Old dog, new trick.

>
> You have me pegged, new pup. There's so much I could learn from you.
> Pffft.
>
> [ObFood] About a 1" thick by 4" diameter beef tenderloin steak, canned
> Del Monte brand Italian green beans and chicken Rice-A-Roni. We do eat
> other starches and vegetables, but apparently not when I'm posting
> "tonight's" meal lately.
> Other than the tenderloin, the rest is what we call, within a narrow
> range, standard fare.
>
> leo


Hi Leo, I have to hunt for the details but I devised a lower sodium
'rice a roni' version that is pretty tastey. Don has to have low sodium
so we pretty much cook that way.

Charlotte's version is more handy.

https://ship.kroger.com/p/0983082277...ed?psrc=search

1 ts is used on dried out cooked rice (tucked in fridge overnight)

2-3 ts olive oil

Whatever we got green that was mean to be green, about 1/2 cup
1/2 cup carrots, cut to small or shredded so it will cook/fry fast
Green onion or chives depending on yard garden (dried chives in winter)
Togarishi Schimi (sp?) - A sort of interesting chile blend, works well

Works out as 312mg sodium per 1/2 cup serving.



jmcquown[_2_] 26-03-2019 12:28 AM

'eat the yolks'
 
On 3/25/2019 6:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> Unlike some here, we cook a lot and enjoy talking about what we are
> doing. Hence recent messages have included prices and calories for
> some of the stuff we have made.
>

Unlike some here, I enjoy talking about food and cooking but don't have
a need to count calories.

Jill

jmcquown[_2_] 26-03-2019 12:37 AM

'eat the yolks'
 
On 3/25/2019 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
>> In article >, Bruce
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Lots of older people don't like "organic". They think it's a rip-off
>>> or a new fad or a communist conspiracy. Old dog, new trick.

>>
>> You have me pegged, new pup. There's so much I could learn from you.
>> Pffft.
>>
>> [ObFood] About a 1" thick by 4" diameter beef tenderloin steak, canned
>> Del Monte brand Italian green beans and chicken Rice-A-Roni. We do eat
>> other starches and vegetables, but apparently not when I'm posting
>> "tonight's" meal lately.
>> Other than the tenderloin, the rest is what we call, within a narrow
>> range, standard fare.
>>
>> leo

>
> Hi Leo, I have to hunt for the details but I devised a lower sodium
> 'rice a roni' version that is pretty tastey. Don has to have low sodium
> so we pretty much cook that way.


Did Leo ask for a low sodium version? If so, I missed it.

> Charlotte's version is more handy.
>
> https://ship.kroger.com/p/0983082277...ed?psrc=search
>
> 1 ts is used on dried out cooked rice (tucked in fridge overnight)
>
> 2-3 ts olive oil
>
> Whatever we got green that was mean to be green, about 1/2 cup
> 1/2 cup carrots, cut to small or shredded so it will cook/fry fast
> Green onion or chives depending on yard garden (dried chives in winter)
> Togarishi Schimi (sp?) - A sort of interesting chile blend, works well
>
> Works out as 312mg sodium per 1/2 cup serving.
>

Where's the added liquid to rehydrate the "dried out cooked" rice? I
don't see any sort of vermicelli mentioned, either. Should be browned
in the oil and/or a combo of oil and butter first. That's if you're
making anything like Rice A Roni... :)

Jill

[email protected] 26-03-2019 12:52 AM

'eat the yolks'
 
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 01:10:24 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:08:55 GMT, Pamela >
>wrote:
>
>>On 17:18 24 Mar 2019, wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:39:41 GMT, Pamela >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 05:02 24 Mar 2019,
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 18:20:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:rcjd9el7od7au7lkr0qn5ii34kkbith2kq@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 22:53:40 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 19:40 23 Mar 2019,
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> even if it is just an orange you should wash the skin before you
>>>>>>>>> peel it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>OCD?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> no its called common sense. If you peel it with your hands what ever
>>>>>>> is on the peel will get on the orange and then in your mouth giving
>>>>>>> you ulcers in your digestive tract which may eventually lead to a
>>>>>>> cancerous growth in your anus causing extreme pain and usually
>>>>>>> death. butt cancer is the worst.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's quite extreme! You should probably wash it as you don't know
>>>>>>what all has been on it and for sure wash it if cutting into it.
>>>>>
>>>>> A homeless woman could have gone in the store and rubbed the orange on
>>>>> her hepatitis infected ****. Rolled it around her ass to get a
>>>>> fragrant aroma. then shelved the orange back where it was. Is that
>>>>> what you mean?
>>>>
>>>>No doubt there are similar scatological scenarios to be had in the
>>>>orange groves but how realistic are they?
>>>>
>>>>Someone could have left a dread disease like ebola on a box of
>>>>cornflakes on the supermarket shelf but the chances are too small to
>>>>spend time worrying about it.
>>>
>>> yeah you say that right up until someone gets ebola from a box of corn
>>> flakes. then the entire freakin country goes all ape shit blaming
>>> everyone but themselves, IF they would have washed that damn orange
>>> before they peeled it then the corn flakes would have been ok. Do they
>>> even still make corn flakes?

>>
>>Just as I said .... you act as if you have OCD.

>
>You're relatively new here, but this Christkiller in certain ways
>reminds me of somebody else who used to plague this group a few years
>ago.



A plague?? I am hurt.. I am a small irritant such as poison ivy at
best

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

[email protected] 26-03-2019 12:58 AM

'eat the yolks'
 
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:11:25 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 17:21 24 Mar 2019, wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:33:35 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 00:24 24 Mar 2019,
wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 22:53:40 GMT, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 19:40 23 Mar 2019,
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> even if it is just an orange you should wash the skin before you
>>>>>> peel it
>>>>>
>>>>>OCD?
>>>>
>>>> no its called common sense.
>>>
>>>OCD is essentially common sense taken to an extreme.
>>>
>>>Contamination fears, ritualistic washing, unnecessary precautions ....
>>>all to ward of imagines rather than real threats.
>>>
>>>Peeling an unwashed orange has probably never hurt anyone.

>>
>> Ahh that may be so but you are refusing to see the humor in the
>> situation....
>>
>> I mean seriously who the **** is going to wash and orange before they
>> peel it.....
>>
>> (I actually do LOL)

>
>You're blithering. First you try and say you were joking about the whole
>thing and then you say you are serious.
>


Let me ask you a simple question.... How funny would it be to trick
someone then tell them you are joking.. yes I know classical humor
right? Well how about tell someone you are joking but then still get
the other person to think you are serious, sill.


>>>> If you peel it with your hands what ever is on the peel will get on
>>>> the orange and then in your mouth giving you ulcers in your digestive
>>>> tract which may eventually lead to a cancerous growth in your anus
>>>> causing extreme pain and usually death. butt cancer is the worst.
>>>
>>>Perhaps you prefer to wear latex gloves when you wash and peel an
>>>orange. OCD can be exhausting like that.

>>
>> perhaps... is it also OCD when a surgeon washes their hands before they
>> put latex gloves on???

>
>If you're experiencing gluten-induced psychosis again then it's better to
>avoid it.


--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

cshenk 26-03-2019 01:20 AM

'eat the yolks'
 
jmcquown wrote:

> On 3/25/2019 6:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > Unlike some here, we cook a lot and enjoy talking about what we are
> > doing. Hence recent messages have included prices and calories for
> > some of the stuff we have made.
> >

> Unlike some here, I enjoy talking about food and cooking but don't
> have a need to count calories.
>
> Jill


Grin, well she needed some help for a bit but after a little help with
favorite foods, she took over in 3-4 weeks. Best we can tell, they
don't teach calorie counting like they did when I was a kid. I missed
that then fixed it.

I do not care what the 'diet' is. If you take in more calories than you
burn off, you will gain.

cshenk 26-03-2019 01:25 AM

'eat the yolks'
 
jmcquown wrote:

> On 3/25/2019 7:22 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> >
> > > In article >, Bruce
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Lots of older people don't like "organic". They think it's a
> > > > rip-off or a new fad or a communist conspiracy. Old dog, new
> > > > trick.
> > >
> > > You have me pegged, new pup. There's so much I could learn from
> > > you. Pffft.
> > >
> > > [ObFood] About a 1" thick by 4" diameter beef tenderloin steak,
> > > canned Del Monte brand Italian green beans and chicken
> > > Rice-A-Roni. We do eat other starches and vegetables, but
> > > apparently not when I'm posting "tonight's" meal lately.
> > > Other than the tenderloin, the rest is what we call, within a
> > > narrow range, standard fare.
> > >
> > > leo

> >
> > Hi Leo, I have to hunt for the details but I devised a lower sodium
> > 'rice a roni' version that is pretty tastey. Don has to have low
> > sodium so we pretty much cook that way.

>
> Did Leo ask for a low sodium version? If so, I missed it.


No and did he need to for me to make a cooking post on how to reduce
sodium if others needed it?


> > Charlotte's version is more handy.
> >
> >

https://ship.kroger.com/p/0983082277...ed?psrc=search
> >
> > 1 ts is used on dried out cooked rice (tucked in fridge overnight)
> >
> > 2-3 ts olive oil
> >
> > Whatever we got green that was mean to be green, about 1/2 cup
> > 1/2 cup carrots, cut to small or shredded so it will cook/fry fast
> > Green onion or chives depending on yard garden (dried chives in
> > winter) Togarishi Schimi (sp?) - A sort of interesting chile blend,
> > works well
> >
> > Works out as 312mg sodium per 1/2 cup serving.
> >

> Where's the added liquid to rehydrate the "dried out cooked" rice? I
> don't see any sort of vermicelli mentioned, either. Should be
> browned in the oil and/or a combo of oil and butter first. That's if
> you're making anything like Rice A Roni... :)


It's a sort of fried rice dish that works where the high sodium
rice-a-roni doesn't fit the dietary needs/limits.


Jeßus[_55_] 26-03-2019 02:39 AM

'eat the yolks'
 
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:59:29 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Jeßus wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:56:56 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > Jeßus wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:05:56 -0400, jmcquown

>> > >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On 3/23/2019 11:53 AM, Je?us wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 04:54:49 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> eggs are healthier than many processed foods. a good book to
>> >> read in regards to this topic is 'eat the yolks.' the gal that

>> wrote >> it makes a very strong case for eating animal meat and fat.
>> stay >> away from legumes, seeds. she also states that all foods
>> consumed >> under this dietary plan must be organic. >> >> Nothing
>> wrong with >> eggs, or legumes and seeds for that matter. >>
>> >> > Agreed. I had to stop at the words "dietary plan". The only
>> >> > dietary plan I follow is to cook and eat food that I enjoy. :)

>> It >> > includes all sorts of ingredients, and everything in
>> moderation. >> > Organic is a high priced scam.
>> >>
>> >> Just about any 'diet' will work temporarily for weight loss, but

>> will >> fail in the long term. Minimise calories and get regular
>> exercise on a >> permanent basis is the key, but few want to hear
>> that :) >>
>> >> I personally feel much better eating low GI foods, although not
>> >> fanatical about it... and not always easy in Thailand. Who can

>> resist >> sticky rice or Durian?
>> >
>> > Ahem, pass me my share of the Durian please? If not, I can get
>> > quite nasty at you! (grin).

>>
>> Maybe I can send some in the mail <G>. I try to limit it to once a
>> week, it's high in calories and not exactly cheap, even here. But SO
>> delicious.
>>
>> I think I put on 2KG in the past week. We visited the wife's home
>> town, and she caught up with old friends and family she hasn't seen in
>> a long time... out comes endless bottles of beer and food - this was
>> happening 2 or 3 times a day, each time we bumped into somebody else,
>> OMG. I finally got to see my wife's land which is way out in a rural
>> area, acres of rice fields.
>>
>> We're returning home today, thinking of taking the train just for the
>> experience. Will be nice to be back in our own bed again, and to
>> recover from eating and drinking so much.

>
>LOL! I love durian! Sadly, I am the only one here so they won't let
>me get one to hang on the porch to fully ripen.
>
>I loved the trains in Japan!


Sadly, we ended up not taking the train... took the bus <ugh>. What a
long, slow trip.

Gary 26-03-2019 02:55 PM

'eat the yolks'
 
jmcquown wrote:
> Unlike some here, I enjoy talking about food and cooking...


But sadly, you spend MOST of your time here talking about other
things including bitching at everyone on your short list. lol

Gary 26-03-2019 03:59 PM

OT: Running 101
 
cshenk wrote:
>
> She's hit the weight loss and a bit more, now working on running
> faster.


Carol,
If she's doing this on her own, it will be hard.
I can help her a lot through you if you want me to. I was a
pretty good competitive runner (top 8% overall) for years and
this is one subject I know well.

First she needs to meet her goal for running...either time or
distance. In the beginning, you just run as slow as necessary to
either run a certain amount of time or a certain distance (all at
one time, no breaks inbetween).

Minimum runs should be 20 minutes without resting.
For serious running do this 6 days a week but not 7.
If she's doing longer distance (like 3 miles or more), she
should run it all with no breaks. If she can't do that,
she's just running too fast and should slow down.

Once you get your distance, it's time to speed up.
Two ways to do that -
One is to do speed work on a track at a local school.
Very boring to do this on a track. Equally boring as
using a treadmill at home.

Best way is called, "Fartlek running."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fartlek
That should inform you of it but I haven't read what they say.

That's where you eat lots of beans the night before running. JUST
KIDDING. That's an odd name but it's the very best form of speed
training and it works very well.

Let's say if Charlotte is now running 3 miles at a time at a pace
where she can talk normally while running and not gasping for air
and also maintains a steady pace...no stopping for the 3 miles.

Next come speeding up her runs. With the fartlek, while she still
does her 3 mile runs...every once in awhile she should speed up
to running all out (the faster race pace), just as fast as she
can run for just a block or so. After that sped up block, slow
down to very slow running until you recover but DO NOT STOP
running. You just slow way down for another block then resume
running normal speed. Once fully recovered, do another high speed
short distance.

Bottom line here. Once you start running, don't stop at all until
you've finished for the day. Don't ever stop and rest...not cool.
You can slow way down but never stop.

This is a very basic overall. If you want more tips for her, you
can email me privately or just stay right here on this OT
subject. If we communicate here, maybe we can annoy Jill again
that just wants to "talk about food and cooking." LOL

HTH Carol. Feel free to ask anything to help her with the
running. Let's help that girl get into the Navy!~

jmcquown[_2_] 26-03-2019 04:16 PM

OT: Running 101
 
On 3/26/2019 10:59 AM, Gary wrote:
> cshenk wrote:
>>
>> She's hit the weight loss and a bit more, now working on running
>> faster.

>
> Carol,
> If she's doing this on her own, it will be hard.
> I can help her a lot through you if you want me to. I was a
> pretty good competitive runner (top 8% overall) for years and
> this is one subject I know well.
>
> First she needs to meet her goal for running...either time or
> distance. In the beginning, you just run as slow as necessary to
> either run a certain amount of time or a certain distance (all at
> one time, no breaks inbetween).
>

She needs to meet and perhaps exceed the minimum training goals for
enlistment. I'm sure they have all the pamphlets from the recruiter.
All I have in Google. LOL Here's some info on the eight weeks of Navy
"boot camp":

https://www.military.com/join-armed-...-schedule.html

Seems like swimming would be a good thing to focus on. Swimming is very
good exercise in terms of toning and stamina.

> Minimum runs should be 20 minutes without resting.
> For serious running do this 6 days a week but not 7.
> If she's doing longer distance (like 3 miles or more), she
> should run it all with no breaks. If she can't do that,
> she's just running too fast and should slow down.
>
> Once you get your distance, it's time to speed up.
> Two ways to do that -
> One is to do speed work on a track at a local school.
> Very boring to do this on a track. Equally boring as
> using a treadmill at home.
>
> Best way is called, "Fartlek running."
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fartlek
> That should inform you of it but I haven't read what they say.
>
> That's where you eat lots of beans the night before running. JUST
> KIDDING. That's an odd name but it's the very best form of speed
> training and it works very well.
>
> Let's say if Charlotte is now running 3 miles at a time at a pace
> where she can talk normally while running and not gasping for air
> and also maintains a steady pace...no stopping for the 3 miles.
>
> Next come speeding up her runs. With the fartlek, while she still
> does her 3 mile runs...every once in awhile she should speed up
> to running all out (the faster race pace), just as fast as she
> can run for just a block or so. After that sped up block, slow
> down to very slow running until you recover but DO NOT STOP
> running. You just slow way down for another block then resume
> running normal speed. Once fully recovered, do another high speed
> short distance.
>
> Bottom line here. Once you start running, don't stop at all until
> you've finished for the day. Don't ever stop and rest...not cool.
> You can slow way down but never stop.
>
> This is a very basic overall. If you want more tips for her, you
> can email me privately or just stay right here on this OT
> subject. If we communicate here, maybe we can annoy Jill again
> that just wants to "talk about food and cooking." LOL
>

Low calorie cooking. I had no idea the Navy requires a low calorie diet.

> HTH Carol. Feel free to ask anything to help her with the
> running. Let's help that girl get into the Navy!~
>

Best of luck to her. :)

Jill

[email protected] 27-03-2019 08:53 PM

OT: Running 101
 
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 11:16:33 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 3/26/2019 10:59 AM, Gary wrote:
>> cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>> She's hit the weight loss and a bit more, now working on running
>>> faster.

>>
>> Carol,
>> If she's doing this on her own, it will be hard.
>> I can help her a lot through you if you want me to. I was a
>> pretty good competitive runner (top 8% overall) for years and
>> this is one subject I know well.
>>
>> First she needs to meet her goal for running...either time or
>> distance. In the beginning, you just run as slow as necessary to
>> either run a certain amount of time or a certain distance (all at
>> one time, no breaks inbetween).
>>

>She needs to meet and perhaps exceed the minimum training goals for
>enlistment. I'm sure they have all the pamphlets from the recruiter.
>All I have in Google. LOL Here's some info on the eight weeks of Navy
>"boot camp":
>
>https://www.military.com/join-armed-...-schedule.html
>
>Seems like swimming would be a good thing to focus on. Swimming is very
>good exercise in terms of toning and stamina.
>
>> Minimum runs should be 20 minutes without resting.
>> For serious running do this 6 days a week but not 7.
>> If she's doing longer distance (like 3 miles or more), she
>> should run it all with no breaks. If she can't do that,
>> she's just running too fast and should slow down.
>>
>> Once you get your distance, it's time to speed up.
>> Two ways to do that -
>> One is to do speed work on a track at a local school.
>> Very boring to do this on a track. Equally boring as
>> using a treadmill at home.
>>
>> Best way is called, "Fartlek running."
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fartlek
>> That should inform you of it but I haven't read what they say.
>>
>> That's where you eat lots of beans the night before running. JUST
>> KIDDING. That's an odd name but it's the very best form of speed
>> training and it works very well.
>>
>> Let's say if Charlotte is now running 3 miles at a time at a pace
>> where she can talk normally while running and not gasping for air
>> and also maintains a steady pace...no stopping for the 3 miles.
>>
>> Next come speeding up her runs. With the fartlek, while she still
>> does her 3 mile runs...every once in awhile she should speed up
>> to running all out (the faster race pace), just as fast as she
>> can run for just a block or so. After that sped up block, slow
>> down to very slow running until you recover but DO NOT STOP
>> running. You just slow way down for another block then resume
>> running normal speed. Once fully recovered, do another high speed
>> short distance.
>>
>> Bottom line here. Once you start running, don't stop at all until
>> you've finished for the day. Don't ever stop and rest...not cool.
>> You can slow way down but never stop.
>>
>> This is a very basic overall. If you want more tips for her, you
>> can email me privately or just stay right here on this OT
>> subject. If we communicate here, maybe we can annoy Jill again
>> that just wants to "talk about food and cooking." LOL
>>

>Low calorie cooking. I had no idea the Navy requires a low calorie diet.
>
>> HTH Carol. Feel free to ask anything to help her with the
>> running. Let's help that girl get into the Navy!~
>>

>Best of luck to her. :)
>
>Jill


Navy Boot Canp is in several ways different from the other service's
Basic Training. When I went to Boot Camp about half the skills needed
had to do with being in water; a lot of swimmiong, on the surface and
under water, diving from heights and jumping from heights while
keeping one's head above water, using ordinary clothing to fabricate
flotation devises... all good information for civilians to know;; even
the Navy white hat can be used to trap enough air to keep someone
afloat with little effort.... knot the leg ends of pants to make
excellent water wings. A good deal of training is about how not to
panic... most drownings are due to panic. We did a lot of calistenics
and weight training, but not a whole lot of running, not much marching
either, there's not much space to run/march on a ship. and no digging
trenches/foxholes... however there's a lot of climbing on ship's
masts. Mostly we learned about the chow line, fussy eaters wouldn't
survive. Also a lot of training on knot tieing, polishing bright
work, swabbing decks and painting... I'll bet I'm a much better
painter than Hamburger Gary, he'd be too ascared to go up 80' to the
top of a mast or over the side in a bosn's chair to paint while
everything is a rockin' n' rollin'. I doubt many of yoose would last
long in rough seas (maybe 3 minutes), with nowhere to hide, day after
day, 24/7. I've seen a lot of big strong men crying, MOMMY, MOMMY.
while praying to a terlit.

Bruce[_28_] 27-03-2019 08:58 PM

OT: Running 101
 
On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:53:18 -0400, wrote:

>Navy Boot Canp is in several ways different from the other service's
>Basic Training. When I went to Boot Camp about half the skills needed
>had to do with being in water; a lot of swimmiong, on the surface and
>under water, diving from heights and jumping from heights while
>keeping one's head above water, using ordinary clothing to fabricate
>flotation devises... all good information for civilians to know;; even
>the Navy white hat can be used to trap enough air to keep someone
>afloat with little effort.... knot the leg ends of pants to make
>excellent water wings. A good deal of training is about how not to
>panic... most drownings are due to panic. We did a lot of calistenics
>and weight training, but not a whole lot of running, not much marching
>either, there's not much space to run/march on a ship. and no digging
>trenches/foxholes... however there's a lot of climbing on ship's
>masts. Mostly we learned about the chow line, fussy eaters wouldn't
>survive. Also a lot of training on knot tieing, polishing bright
>work, swabbing decks and painting... I'll bet I'm a much better
>painter than Hamburger Gary


lol

>, he'd be too ascared to go up 80' to the
>top of a mast or over the side in a bosn's chair to paint while
>everything is a rockin' n' rollin'.


I don't think he'd be painting houses during an earthquake.

cshenk 27-03-2019 10:28 PM

OT: Running 101
 
Gary wrote:

> cshenk wrote:
> >
> > She's hit the weight loss and a bit more, now working on running
> > faster.

>
> Carol,
> If she's doing this on her own, it will be hard.
> I can help her a lot through you if you want me to. I was a
> pretty good competitive runner (top 8% overall) for years and
> this is one subject I know well.
>
> First she needs to meet her goal for running...either time or
> distance. In the beginning, you just run as slow as necessary to
> either run a certain amount of time or a certain distance (all at
> one time, no breaks inbetween).
>
> Minimum runs should be 20 minutes without resting.
> For serious running do this 6 days a week but not 7.
> If she's doing longer distance (like 3 miles or more), she
> should run it all with no breaks. If she can't do that,
> she's just running too fast and should slow down.
>
> Once you get your distance, it's time to speed up.
> Two ways to do that -
> One is to do speed work on a track at a local school.
> Very boring to do this on a track. Equally boring as
> using a treadmill at home.
>
> Best way is called, "Fartlek running."
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fartlek
> That should inform you of it but I haven't read what they say.
>
> That's where you eat lots of beans the night before running. JUST
> KIDDING. That's an odd name but it's the very best form of speed
> training and it works very well.
>
> Let's say if Charlotte is now running 3 miles at a time at a pace
> where she can talk normally while running and not gasping for air
> and also maintains a steady pace...no stopping for the 3 miles.
>
> Next come speeding up her runs. With the fartlek, while she still
> does her 3 mile runs...every once in awhile she should speed up
> to running all out (the faster race pace), just as fast as she
> can run for just a block or so. After that sped up block, slow
> down to very slow running until you recover but DO NOT STOP
> running. You just slow way down for another block then resume
> running normal speed. Once fully recovered, do another high speed
> short distance.
>
> Bottom line here. Once you start running, don't stop at all until
> you've finished for the day. Don't ever stop and rest...not cool.
> You can slow way down but never stop.
>
> This is a very basic overall. If you want more tips for her, you
> can email me privately or just stay right here on this OT
> subject. If we communicate here, maybe we can annoy Jill again
> that just wants to "talk about food and cooking." LOL
>
> HTH Carol. Feel free to ask anything to help her with the
> running. Let's help that girl get into the Navy!~


Thanks Gary! Will pass to her. I was never a good runner when in the
Navy. You reminded me of some tricks that I was told. I knew about
the not stopping and the 'long reach pace' in spurts. Grin, we can stay
here and have more folks telling me it's not her goal but mine! (it
isn't it's hers).

She wanted USAF but the entry physical tests are harder and when she
asked, there was something on pull ups which she never managed even in
HS gym class. Just not built for them I guess. Anyways, she swapped to
Navy and has been peeking at ratings. So far she likes YN, PS and CS.
Suits her nature. A couple of others but those seem front runners. OS
might be good? Preliminary AFQT test was 85 estimated so she'll
qualify for quite a few ratings. She's scheduled her ASVAB for 12April.

cshenk 28-03-2019 12:11 AM

OT: Running 101
 
jmcquown wrote:

> On 3/26/2019 10:59 AM, Gary wrote:
> > cshenk wrote:
> > >
> > > She's hit the weight loss and a bit more, now working on running
> > > faster.

> >
> > Carol,
> > If she's doing this on her own, it will be hard.
> > I can help her a lot through you if you want me to. I was a
> > pretty good competitive runner (top 8% overall) for years and
> > this is one subject I know well.
> >
> > First she needs to meet her goal for running...either time or
> > distance. In the beginning, you just run as slow as necessary to
> > either run a certain amount of time or a certain distance (all at
> > one time, no breaks inbetween).
> >

> She needs to meet and perhaps exceed the minimum training goals for
> enlistment. I'm sure they have all the pamphlets from the recruiter.
> All I have in Google. LOL Here's some info on the eight weeks of
> Navy "boot camp":
>
>

https://www.military.com/join-armed-...-schedule.html
>
> Seems like swimming would be a good thing to focus on. Swimming is
> very good exercise in terms of toning and stamina.
>
> > Minimum runs should be 20 minutes without resting.
> > For serious running do this 6 days a week but not 7.
> > If she's doing longer distance (like 3 miles or more), she
> > should run it all with no breaks. If she can't do that,
> > she's just running too fast and should slow down.
> >
> > Once you get your distance, it's time to speed up.
> > Two ways to do that -
> > One is to do speed work on a track at a local school.
> > Very boring to do this on a track. Equally boring as
> > using a treadmill at home.
> >
> > Best way is called, "Fartlek running."
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fartlek
> > That should inform you of it but I haven't read what they say.
> >
> > That's where you eat lots of beans the night before running. JUST
> > KIDDING. That's an odd name but it's the very best form of speed
> > training and it works very well.
> >
> > Let's say if Charlotte is now running 3 miles at a time at a pace
> > where she can talk normally while running and not gasping for air
> > and also maintains a steady pace...no stopping for the 3 miles.
> >
> > Next come speeding up her runs. With the fartlek, while she still
> > does her 3 mile runs...every once in awhile she should speed up
> > to running all out (the faster race pace), just as fast as she
> > can run for just a block or so. After that sped up block, slow
> > down to very slow running until you recover but DO NOT STOP
> > running. You just slow way down for another block then resume
> > running normal speed. Once fully recovered, do another high speed
> > short distance.
> >
> > Bottom line here. Once you start running, don't stop at all until
> > you've finished for the day. Don't ever stop and rest...not cool.
> > You can slow way down but never stop.
> >
> > This is a very basic overall. If you want more tips for her, you
> > can email me privately or just stay right here on this OT
> > subject. If we communicate here, maybe we can annoy Jill again
> > that just wants to "talk about food and cooking." LOL
> >

> Low calorie cooking. I had no idea the Navy requires a low calorie
> diet.
>
> > HTH Carol. Feel free to ask anything to help her with the
> > running. Let's help that girl get into the Navy!~
> >

> Best of luck to her. :)
>
> Jill


Thanks Jill! On the low calorie cooking, Charlotte was 160 and had to
be 152 for entry for her height. She's 151.5 right now and doing a
breakstep diet one day a week (so she doesnt set point too hard). It
wasn't really anything major. More like she didn't get taught about
calories and that if you take in more than you burn, you gain weight.
She now knows now how to count the up in a rough fashion and when I am
cooking, I work it out so she knows how much is sane on a food we made.

She picks what to eat now with a better idea calorie knowledge is all.
Back when I was in JH/HS, this was common knowledge taught in school.
It came along with what foods might make pimples worse (based on
knowledge of the times) and general healthy food pyrimids (of the
times).

She'll probably hit about 149lb by late April (giving leeway for a big
meal for her MEPS checkin). Running speed is main focus now and that's
like the diet, all on her to meet her goal.


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