On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:01:45 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 7/23/2019 9:38 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2019-07-23 6:35 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>
>>> And I've seen many places with apple trees that are not sprayed
>>> and not trimmed and they produce more than the families can eat.
>>> My own grandparent had two near the house.
>>
>> My health food Nazi SiL has organic fruit trees. There is rarely
>> anything worth eating from those trees.
>>
>>
>>
>So is an organic tree on that the dog is not allowed to lift his leg on?
>
>Never thought about it in those terms, but we had a peach and apple tree
>and we did not spray them. I guess they were organic?

What??? Health food Nazi!

On 7/21/2019 5:20 PM, wrote:
> We only plant crops that are unavailable fresh at market, like
> tomatoes, cukes, melons, squash, greens, etc.,

Here's why people live down south. All those things are available fresh
from the local farmers from May until October. It's a very long growing
season.

Jill

On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 02:23:21 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 7/21/2019 5:20 PM, wrote:
>> We only plant crops that are unavailable fresh at market, like
>> tomatoes, cukes, melons, squash, greens, etc.,
>
>Here's why people live down south. All those things are available fresh
>from the local farmers from May until October. It's a very long growing
>season.

Still there is much produce that won't grow well in the heat of the
south; apples, pears, cherrys, etc. I doubt anyone chooses where to
live based on what crops grow well in an area. Citrus won't grow here
yet it's at local markets every day... citrus ships well. With the
advent of aircraft all produce can be shipped fresh, that's why
Bananas are readily available throughout North America.

Gary wrote:

> Janet wrote:
> >
> > In article >, says...
> > > Dumb butthead. I'm talking about planting several rows or a small
> > > extra patch just for your beloved deer and waterfowl. This would
> > > be just for your critters to enjoy. No need to fence that in, let
> > > them have at it anytime as it's just extra for them. Just plant
> > > then let it go unattended.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > You have the land, you have the money and certainly the extra
> > > time. Plant a crop just for them.
> >
> > Then deer and fowl would eat and trample the unprotected seedlings
> > as soon as they appeared above ground; there would never be a
> > mature crop of corn.
>
> Theory sounds good but just not true.
>
> > Animals have no concept of the most basic concept of crop
> > farming/gardening and neither do you.
>
> I've had many small gardens in the past and all flourished
> without fencing, netting, cropping, etc. Isn't it amazing how all
> around the world small farms and huge ones plant acres and acres
> of various vegetables without all that. Seasonal weather
> permitting, they all grow bumper crops and make a living doing
> so. Farmers worldwide feed everyone else with none of that.
>
> Sheldon is just Mr.Perfect everything. Immaculate yard, kitchen,
> entire household. Everything in it's place. Isn't there a
> syndrome for people like that?
>
> What's with his perfect giant yard only growing worthless grass?
> Especially that back land beyond the path through the trees. He
> can't even see that from his back porch each evening. With his
> giant close back yard, maybe he should turn it into a baseball
> field? "Build it and they will come." lol
>
> And apple trees do just fine without cropping, same as all trees.
> Trees will grow and flourish well without any human interaction.
> Look at all the nice forests still left. My grandparents had 2
> old, tall and full apple trees on their property. Probably been
> growing for up to 100 years. They did nothing but harvest apples
> each fall and many fell to the ground for wildlife or even
> fertilizer. Plenty for all.
>
> Nature does quite well on it's own without you and Sheldon trying
> to "fix it."

Well Gary, my 2 aple trees are doing just fine! I expect to crop about
200 this year (lower than last year due to a wind storm just as they
were flowering out). We pulled about 20 for 2 apple pies and a frind
came and picked another 10 just before that storm hit (?Sunday?). They
will be back this weekend for more with another friend. Main crop of
apples in August but some through September.

Gary wrote:

> wrote:
> > There are huge corn fields here, all electrified fenced.
>
> One neighbor that you know has that but not for corn. It was for
> his cattle. You've told us that.
>
> My inlaws lived near your area. Everyone grew corn either
> commercially or just big personal gardens. I'm talking about half
> acre gardens not your cute little 32'-40' long one. They all did
> have slight deer and groundhog issues but not enough to cry
> about. All had bumper crops. I was there during corn harvest
> season a few years. End of August.
>
> Huge farms in the midwest don't use electric fencing and birds
> don't eat all the seeds planted. They all grow 7-8' tall corn as
> far as the eye can see. I had a roommate years ago that grew up
> in Nebraska and his father planted miles of corn crops.
>
> And I've seen many places with apple trees that are not sprayed
> and not trimmed and they produce more than the families can eat.
> My own grandparent had two near the house.

Yup, that's me with my 2 apple trees. I did have the one trimmed a bit
2 years ago but that's it. No sprays or anythong odd other than crushed
eggshells spread under them as fast as we make some eggs up. Apple
trees need extra calcium to produce well.