My wife had taken a large chicken breast out of the freezer. I made a
Greek type marinade and cut the meat into chunks for skewering and
tossed it into the marinade. Then I went to the local produce market
and bought some fresh local green beans and one cob of freshly picked corn.

When I started the BBQ I tossed the corn on and then went inside, made
some Tzitziki sauce and put the chicken on skewers. My wife looked
after the beans while I grilled the chicken and the corn. I put lime
juice and chili powder on the cooked corn.

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 7:16:19 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> My wife had taken a large chicken breast out of the freezer. I made a
> Greek type marinade and cut the meat into chunks for skewering and
> tossed it into the marinade. Then I went to the local produce market
> and bought some fresh local green beans and one cob of freshly picked corn.
>
> When I started the BBQ I tossed the corn on and then went inside, made
> some Tzitziki sauce and put the chicken on skewers. My wife looked
> after the beans while I grilled the chicken and the corn. I put lime
> juice and chili powder on the cooked corn.

I've never tried lime juice and chili powder on a cob of corn. I like lime juice and hot sauce, however, I have decided to cut down on the amount of hot sauce since too much burns my lips.

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 6:23:48 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 7:16:19 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > My wife had taken a large chicken breast out of the freezer. I made a
> > Greek type marinade and cut the meat into chunks for skewering and
> > tossed it into the marinade. Then I went to the local produce market
> > and bought some fresh local green beans and one cob of freshly picked corn.
> >
> > When I started the BBQ I tossed the corn on and then went inside, made
> > some Tzitziki sauce and put the chicken on skewers. My wife looked
> > after the beans while I grilled the chicken and the corn. I put lime
> > juice and chili powder on the cooked corn.
>
> I've never tried lime juice and chili powder on a cob of corn. I like lime juice and hot sauce, however, I have decided to cut down on the amount of hot sauce since too much burns my lips.
>
I think we need samples to judge his efforts.

On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 18:23:13 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 6:23:48 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 7:16:19 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> > My wife had taken a large chicken breast out of the freezer. I made a
>> > Greek type marinade and cut the meat into chunks for skewering and
>> > tossed it into the marinade. Then I went to the local produce market
>> > and bought some fresh local green beans and one cob of freshly picked corn.
>> >
>> > When I started the BBQ I tossed the corn on and then went inside, made
>> > some Tzitziki sauce and put the chicken on skewers. My wife looked
>> > after the beans while I grilled the chicken and the corn. I put lime
>> > juice and chili powder on the cooked corn.
>>
>> I've never tried lime juice and chili powder on a cob of corn. I like lime juice and hot sauce, however, I have decided to cut down on the amount of hot sauce since too much burns my lips.
>>
>I think we need samples to judge his efforts.

I see no point in annointing freshly picked corn with strong hot
spices... fresh corn needs only budda, not even salt. Young freshly
picked needs nothing, doesn't even need cooking, best munched still
warm from the sun.

wrote:
> I see no point in annointing freshly picked corn with strong hot
> spices... fresh corn needs only budda, not even salt.

Yoose right Popeye. Just a little grease on them ears before yoose
shove them up yoose ass is perfect.
Most of the mexican ladies agree.

wrote:
>
> Young freshly
> picked needs nothing, doesn't even need cooking,
> best munched still warm from the sun.

I agree. Fresh sweet corn this week for 20cents/ear. About the
best I can get here these days although just a year ago or so, I
got them at 10cents/ear.

Again, I process them immediately. Cut off ear, bagged and
frozen. One ear per bag gives a very generous portion to a plate
and remains fresh tasting even up to six months. So much tastier
than commercial frozen corn.

Sheldar.... I've always wondered why you don't plant several rows
on your large plantation? Your 2nd and 3rd favorite animals are
deer and geese/ducks. They all love corn.

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 07:55:55 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> Young freshly
>> picked needs nothing, doesn't even need cooking,
>> best munched still warm from the sun.
>
>I agree. Fresh sweet corn this week for 20cents/ear. About the
>best I can get here these days although just a year ago or so, I
>got them at 10cents/ear.
>
>Again, I process them immediately. Cut off ear, bagged and
>frozen. One ear per bag gives a very generous portion to a plate
>and remains fresh tasting even up to six months. So much tastier
>than commercial frozen corn.
>
>Sheldar.... I've always wondered why you don't plant several rows
>on your large plantation? Your 2nd and 3rd favorite animals are
>deer and geese/ducks. They all love corn.

Are you going to install the fencing and pull all the weeds?
We planted a 50' row of corn IN our FENCED vegetable garden.
We planted corn this year but we don't always plant corn, it's cheaper
and much easier to buy it. Freshly picked local corn will soon be
available at farm stands... corn at markets is several days old.

wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> >Sheldar.... I've always wondered why you don't plant several rows
> >on your large plantation? Your 2nd and 3rd favorite animals are
> >deer and geese/ducks. They all love corn.
>
> Are you going to install the fencing and pull all the weeds?
> We planted a 50' row of corn IN our FENCED vegetable garden.

Dumb butthead. I'm talking about planting several rows or a small
extra patch just for your beloved deer and waterfowl. This would
be just for your critters to enjoy. No need to fence that in, let
them have at it anytime as it's just extra for them. Just plant
then let it go unattended.

You have the land, you have the money and certainly the extra
time. Plant a crop just for them.

Also curious...you plant trees for show all the time. Why didn't
you plant some fruit trees back when you first bought the
property? At least a couple of apple trees and maybe other fruit
or nut trees. You could have at least turned your back pasture
into producing good treats instead of another giant lawn that you
have to mow yet never see.

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 11:34:25 -0400, wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 07:55:55 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Young freshly
>>> picked needs nothing, doesn't even need cooking,
>>> best munched still warm from the sun.
>>
>>I agree. Fresh sweet corn this week for 20cents/ear. About the
>>best I can get here these days although just a year ago or so, I
>>got them at 10cents/ear.
>>
>>Again, I process them immediately. Cut off ear, bagged and
>>frozen. One ear per bag gives a very generous portion to a plate
>>and remains fresh tasting even up to six months. So much tastier
>>than commercial frozen corn.
>>
>>Sheldar.... I've always wondered why you don't plant several rows
>>on your large plantation? Your 2nd and 3rd favorite animals are
>>deer and geese/ducks. They all love corn.
>
>Are you going to install the fencing and pull all the weeds?
>We planted a 50' row of corn IN our FENCED vegetable garden.
>We planted corn this year but we don't always plant corn, it's cheaper
>and much easier to buy it. Freshly picked local corn will soon be
>available at farm stands... corn at markets is several days old.

why would you plant 50 foot of corn when you said you only eat a
couple ears of corn once a year? BTW, planting a 50 foot row is
incorrect. For proper pollination you should plant 4 X 12.5 foot
rows.

Gary wrote:

> wrote:

<SNIP Gary's corn for critters discussion>

> Also curious...you plant trees for show all the time. Why didn't
> you plant some fruit trees back when you first bought the
> property? At least a couple of apple trees and maybe other fruit
> or nut trees. You could have at least turned your back pasture
> into producing good treats instead of another giant lawn that you
> have to mow yet never see.


Fruit trees are a real "task" to maintain, in a rural area one can find plenty of seasonal fresh fruit at farmer's markets, from neighbors, etc....

--
Best
Greg

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 07:54:54 -0700 (PDT), GM
> wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>
><SNIP Gary's corn for critters discussion>
>
>> Also curious...you plant trees for show all the time. Why didn't
>> you plant some fruit trees back when you first bought the
>> property? At least a couple of apple trees and maybe other fruit
>> or nut trees. You could have at least turned your back pasture
>> into producing good treats instead of another giant lawn that you
>> have to mow yet never see.
>
>Fruit trees are a real "task" to maintain, in a rural area one can find plenty of seasonal fresh fruit at farmer's markets, from neighbors, etc....

Fruit trees require tremendous maintenence, pruning every fall is a
pain, and there is no such thing as organic fruit trees, they all
require chemical spraying as they are very susceptible to all sorts of
molds and rusts, and then all the insects.
If I planted corn without fencing the critters would eat the seedlings
as soon as they germinated... corn plants would need to be fenced and
netted or the crows would eat the seedlings.... crows and other birds
dig up the corn seeds unless I lay down chicken wire... without
fencing deer would eat the young plants well bebore they produced any
corn, deer consider young plants grass It's obvious to me that you
never had a vegetable garden, or any kind of garden.
Why should I plant corn when I can drive 5 minutes up the road to the
vast corn fields and buy all I want for like 25¢ an ear. I don't buy
much corn anyway, it's not my favorite... most years I don't buy more
than six ears, some years none, I'm happy with an occasional can of
niblets.

We only plant crops that are unavailable fresh at market, like
tomatoes, cukes, melons, squash, greens, etc., about two more weeks
for fresh Swiss chard.

On 2019-07-21 5:20 p.m., wrote:

> Fruit trees require tremendous maintenence, pruning every fall is a
> pain, and there is no such thing as organic fruit trees, they all
> require chemical spraying as they are very susceptible to all sorts of
> molds and rusts, and then all the insects.

True.


> If I planted corn without fencing the critters would eat the seedlings
> as soon as they germinated... corn plants would need to be fenced and
> netted or the crows would eat the seedlings.... crows and other birds
> dig up the corn seeds unless I lay down chicken wire... without
> fencing deer would eat the young plants well bebore they produced any
> corn, deer consider young plants grass It's obvious to me that you
> never had a vegetable garden, or any kind of garden.

One of the fields behind us used to be used for corn. It was between two
large wood lots and you could see the deer trails through the corn to
the areas where they feasted on the corn.



> Why should I plant corn when I can drive 5 minutes up the road to the
> vast corn fields and buy all I want for like 25¢ an ear. I don't buy
> much corn anyway, it's not my favorite... most years I don't buy more
> than six ears, some years none, I'm happy with an occasional can of
> niblets.
>

It's more than that here this year. I just picked up a cob for 75cents.
Corn is pretty rough on my system so I usually have it only 2-3 times
a week, and never two days in a row. There are several farm stands
within a mile where I can get freshly picked corn. Not worth it for me
to grow it.

In article >, says...
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Gary wrote:
> > >Sheldar.... I've always wondered why you don't plant several rows
> > >on your large plantation? Your 2nd and 3rd favorite animals are
> > >deer and geese/ducks. They all love corn.
> >
> > Are you going to install the fencing and pull all the weeds?
> > We planted a 50' row of corn IN our FENCED vegetable garden.
>
> Dumb butthead. I'm talking about planting several rows or a small
> extra patch just for your beloved deer and waterfowl. This would
> be just for your critters to enjoy. No need to fence that in, let
> them have at it anytime as it's just extra for them. Just plant
> then let it go unattended.


>
> You have the land, you have the money and certainly the extra
> time. Plant a crop just for them.

Then deer and fowl would eat and trample the unprotected seedlings as
soon as they appeared above ground; there would never be a mature crop
of corn.

Animals have no concept of the most basic concept of crop
farming/gardening and neither do you.

Janet UK

Janet wrote:
>
> In article >, says...
> > Dumb butthead. I'm talking about planting several rows or a small
> > extra patch just for your beloved deer and waterfowl. This would
> > be just for your critters to enjoy. No need to fence that in, let
> > them have at it anytime as it's just extra for them. Just plant
> > then let it go unattended.
>
>
> >
> > You have the land, you have the money and certainly the extra
> > time. Plant a crop just for them.
>
> Then deer and fowl would eat and trample the unprotected seedlings as
> soon as they appeared above ground; there would never be a mature crop
> of corn.

Theory sounds good but just not true.

> Animals have no concept of the most basic concept of crop
> farming/gardening and neither do you.

I've had many small gardens in the past and all flourished
without fencing, netting, cropping, etc. Isn't it amazing how all
around the world small farms and huge ones plant acres and acres
of various vegetables without all that. Seasonal weather
permitting, they all grow bumper crops and make a living doing
so. Farmers worldwide feed everyone else with none of that.

Sheldon is just Mr.Perfect everything. Immaculate yard, kitchen,
entire household. Everything in it's place. Isn't there a
syndrome for people like that?

What's with his perfect giant yard only growing worthless grass?
Especially that back land beyond the path through the trees. He
can't even see that from his back porch each evening. With his
giant close back yard, maybe he should turn it into a baseball
field? "Build it and they will come." lol

And apple trees do just fine without cropping, same as all trees.
Trees will grow and flourish well without any human interaction.
Look at all the nice forests still left. My grandparents had 2
old, tall and full apple trees on their property. Probably been
growing for up to 100 years. They did nothing but harvest apples
each fall and many fell to the ground for wildlife or even
fertilizer. Plenty for all.

Nature does quite well on it's own without you and Sheldon trying
to "fix it."

wrote:
>
> On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 07:54:54 -0700 (PDT), GM
> > wrote:
>
> >Gary wrote:
> >
> >> wrote:
> >
> ><SNIP Gary's corn for critters discussion>
> >
> >> Also curious...you plant trees for show all the time. Why didn't
> >> you plant some fruit trees back when you first bought the
> >> property? At least a couple of apple trees and maybe other fruit
> >> or nut trees. You could have at least turned your back pasture
> >> into producing good treats instead of another giant lawn that you
> >> have to mow yet never see.
> >
> >Fruit trees are a real "task" to maintain, in a rural area one can find plenty of seasonal fresh fruit at farmer's markets, from neighbors, etc....
>
> Fruit trees require tremendous maintenence, pruning every fall is a
> pain, and there is no such thing as organic fruit trees, they all
> require chemical spraying as they are very susceptible to all sorts of
> molds and rusts, and then all the insects.
> If I planted corn without fencing the critters would eat the seedlings
> as soon as they germinated... corn plants would need to be fenced and
> netted or the crows would eat the seedlings.... crows and other birds
> dig up the corn seeds unless I lay down chicken wire... without
> fencing deer would eat the young plants well bebore they produced any
> corn, deer consider young plants grass It's obvious to me that you
> never had a vegetable garden, or any kind of garden.

I'm laughing at you because I have had many vegetable gardens,
just not in recent years. All you just wrote above is mostly
paranoid nonsense.

> Why should I plant corn when I can drive 5 minutes up the road to the
> vast corn fields and buy all I want for like 25¢ an ear.

Notice all those vast cornfields are flourishing without fencing
and (especially funny) laying down chicken wire on the ground.
LMAO. You sir are NO farmer. You are just a manicured lawn
specialist.

I wonder how crops and forests thrived before Sheldon's wisdom.

On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:28:48 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Janet wrote:
>>
>> In article >, says...
>> > Dumb butthead. I'm talking about planting several rows or a small
>> > extra patch just for your beloved deer and waterfowl. This would
>> > be just for your critters to enjoy. No need to fence that in, let
>> > them have at it anytime as it's just extra for them. Just plant
>> > then let it go unattended.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > You have the land, you have the money and certainly the extra
>> > time. Plant a crop just for them.
>>
>> Then deer and fowl would eat and trample the unprotected seedlings as
>> soon as they appeared above ground; there would never be a mature crop
>> of corn.
>
>Theory sounds good but just not true.

Do you really think animals would wait until the crop has matured?

Bruce wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
>
> >Janet wrote:
> >> Then deer and fowl would eat and trample the unprotected seedlings as
> >> soon as they appeared above ground; there would never be a mature crop
> >> of corn.

> >Theory sounds good but just not true.

> Do you really think animals would wait until the crop has matured?

Amazing how me all other farmers worldwide don't have that
problem.

And ease up on me, Mr.everything. You don't know how to cook, you
don't know how to farm and you left your European country along
with all friends and family just to become a totally whipped
husband. Enjoy.

Now I'm leaving for work. You can stay and play on RFC all day.
Ummm. Actually, it's nighttime for you so nevermind.

On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 6:28:34 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:

> I've had many small gardens in the past and all flourished
> without fencing, netting, cropping, etc.

Tell that to the groundhog who came to my last unfenced garden
and chewed on every single green tomato. It was as if he tasted
one, hated it, and tried the next.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2019-07-22 6:28 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Janet wrote:

>> Then deer and fowl would eat and trample the unprotected seedlings as
>> soon as they appeared above ground; there would never be a mature crop
>> of corn.
>
> Theory sounds good but just not true.
>
>> Animals have no concept of the most basic concept of crop
>> farming/gardening and neither do you.
>
> I've had many small gardens in the past and all flourished
> without fencing, netting, cropping, etc. Isn't it amazing how all
> around the world small farms and huge ones plant acres and acres
> of various vegetables without all that. Seasonal weather
> permitting, they all grow bumper crops and make a living doing
> so. Farmers worldwide feed everyone else with none of that.




Farmer also hunt the herbivores. They expect that they will lose a
portion of their crop to deer, so they take steps to keep the deer away.
We have a lot of deer around here and farmers count on losing a
percentage of their crop to them. People with small gardens cannot
afford to lose much. Most of the people I know who have vegetable
gardens fence them to keep the deer out. Farmer John who owns the
nursery behind us has a number of friends and relatives who hunt on his
property.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 6:28:34 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>
> > I've had many small gardens in the past and all flourished
> > without fencing, netting, cropping, etc.
>
> Tell that to the groundhog who came to my last unfenced garden
> and chewed on every single green tomato. It was as if he tasted
> one, hated it, and tried the next.

He probably migrated from Bothell.

Janet UK

On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 5:43:10 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:28:48 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Janet wrote:
> >>
> >> Then deer and fowl would eat and trample the unprotected seedlings as
> >> soon as they appeared above ground; there would never be a mature crop
> >> of corn.
> >
> >Theory sounds good but just not true.
>
> Do you really think animals would wait until the crop has matured?
>
I remember my uncle planting his garden and how he'd complain about the deer
eating all the tender shoots pretty much as soon as they appear above ground.
Either Gary has not really planted a garden or if he has it's a garden in a
city area not frequented by deer, rabbits, and ground hogs. Even squirrels in
city area gardens do a lot of damage to vegetables.

On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:29:54 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 07:54:54 -0700 (PDT), GM
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Gary wrote:
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> ><SNIP Gary's corn for critters discussion>
>> >
>> >> Also curious...you plant trees for show all the time. Why didn't
>> >> you plant some fruit trees back when you first bought the
>> >> property? At least a couple of apple trees and maybe other fruit
>> >> or nut trees. You could have at least turned your back pasture
>> >> into producing good treats instead of another giant lawn that you
>> >> have to mow yet never see.
>> >
>> >Fruit trees are a real "task" to maintain, in a rural area one can find plenty of seasonal fresh fruit at farmer's markets, from neighbors, etc....
>>
>> Fruit trees require tremendous maintenence, pruning every fall is a
>> pain, and there is no such thing as organic fruit trees, they all
>> require chemical spraying as they are very susceptible to all sorts of
>> molds and rusts, and then all the insects.
>> If I planted corn without fencing the critters would eat the seedlings
>> as soon as they germinated... corn plants would need to be fenced and
>> netted or the crows would eat the seedlings.... crows and other birds
>> dig up the corn seeds unless I lay down chicken wire... without
>> fencing deer would eat the young plants well bebore they produced any
>> corn, deer consider young plants grass It's obvious to me that you
>> never had a vegetable garden, or any kind of garden.
>
>I'm laughing at you because I have had many vegetable gardens,
>just not in recent years. All you just wrote above is mostly
>paranoid nonsense.
>
>> Why should I plant corn when I can drive 5 minutes up the road to the
>> vast corn fields and buy all I want for like 25¢ an ear.
>
>Notice all those vast cornfields are flourishing without fencing
>and (especially funny) laying down chicken wire on the ground.
>LMAO. You sir are NO farmer. You are just a manicured lawn
>specialist.
>
>I wonder how crops and forests thrived before Sheldon's wisdom.
>

the chicken wire will keep the cats from scratching up the
seeds/seedlings as they use the garden for their potty.

On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:26:48 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 5:43:10 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:28:48 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >Janet wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Then deer and fowl would eat and trample the unprotected seedlings as
>> >> soon as they appeared above ground; there would never be a mature crop
>> >> of corn.
>> >
>> >Theory sounds good but just not true.
>>
>> Do you really think animals would wait until the crop has matured?
>>
>I remember my uncle planting his garden and how he'd complain about the deer
>eating all the tender shoots pretty much as soon as they appear above ground.
>Either Gary has not really planted a garden or if he has it's a garden in a
>city area not frequented by deer, rabbits, and ground hogs. Even squirrels in
>city area gardens do a lot of damage to vegetables.

That's it or as RFC says these days: nailed it!

On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:03:36 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 6:28:34 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>
>> I've had many small gardens in the past and all flourished
>> without fencing, netting, cropping, etc.
>
>Tell that to the groundhog who came to my last unfenced garden
>and chewed on every single green tomato. It was as if he tasted
>one, hated it, and tried the next.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Gary has obviously always lived in urban apartment complexes where the
only critters are skeeters/roaches. Where I live there are large
herds of deer but the farmers use electrified fencing, they also use
some sonic devices for repelling smaller critters but for small
critters they mostly rely on barn cats... 2-3 barn cats can keep 40+
acres free of rodents, rabbits, and crows. Cats mark their territory
with scent glands and urine so wont be but a few days and you won't
see any rabbits, squirrels or any corn poachers. I made a small
cat-sized opening in my vegetable garden fence. The feral cats
constantly patrol and scent mark our garden.

On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:29:54 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 07:54:54 -0700 (PDT), GM
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Gary wrote:
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> ><SNIP Gary's corn for critters discussion>
>> >
>> >> Also curious...you plant trees for show all the time. Why didn't
>> >> you plant some fruit trees back when you first bought the
>> >> property? At least a couple of apple trees and maybe other fruit
>> >> or nut trees.

I planted several apple, pear, and plum trees. I get little to no
fruit as I'd need to spray with chemicals. I have a stand of hickory
nut trees but squirrels get them all.

>> >> You could have at least turned your back pasture
>> >> into producing good treats instead of another giant lawn that you
>> >> have to mow yet never see.
>> >
>> >Fruit trees are a real "task" to maintain, in a rural area one can find plenty of seasonal fresh fruit at farmer's markets, from neighbors, etc....
>>
>> Fruit trees require tremendous maintenence, pruning every fall is a
>> pain, and there is no such thing as organic fruit trees, they all
>> require chemical spraying as they are very susceptible to all sorts of
>> molds and rusts, and then all the insects.
>> If I planted corn without fencing the critters would eat the seedlings
>> as soon as they germinated... corn plants would need to be fenced and
>> netted or the crows would eat the seedlings.... crows and other birds
>> dig up the corn seeds unless I lay down chicken wire... without
>> fencing deer would eat the young plants well before they produced any
>> corn, deer consider young plants grass It's obvious to me that you
>> never had a vegetable garden, or any kind of garden.
>
>I'm laughing at you because I have had many vegetable gardens,
>just not in recent years. All you just wrote above is mostly
>paranoid nonsense.

IF you had vegetable gardens, which I don't believe with all the
nonsense you spew, they were a small patch on a city lot where there
are no deer or any critters. except for the two legged switchblade and
zipgun carrying. Ricans wearing pointy toed fence climbers.

That said Puerto Rico deserves all the misery they got, they had many,
many opportunities to vote to become a US State but instead they
thumbed their noses at the US... most too ascared they'd lose their
freebies. The only Ricans who did well are those who became US
citizens legally like forked tongued two faced Heraldo.

>> Why should I plant corn when I can drive 5 minutes up the road to the
>> vast corn fields and buy all I want for like 25¢ an ear.
>
>Notice all those vast cornfields are flourishing without fencing
>and (especially funny) laying down chicken wire on the ground.
>LMAO. You sir are NO farmer. You are just a manicured lawn
>specialist.
>
>I wonder how crops and forests thrived before Sheldon's wisdom.

There are huge corn fields here, all electrified fenced. The same
kind of fencing that keeps Black Angus in keeps deer out. Before
electric fencing deer became dinner. Hunting season is a recent
event. Even now farmers keep a rifle in their tractor. I'm not fond
of venison, a bit too gamey for me, but most folks around here love
that gaminess.

People like Gary got an apple tree sapling shoved up their ass and got
planted, a scarecrow!

On 2019-07-22 11:35 a.m., Janet wrote:
> In article >,

>> Tell that to the groundhog who came to my last unfenced garden
>> and chewed on every single green tomato. It was as if he tasted
>> one, hated it, and tried the next.
>
> He probably migrated from Bothell.


LOL

On 2019-07-22 12:26 p.m., wrote:
> On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 5:43:10 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:28:48 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Janet wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Then deer and fowl would eat and trample the unprotected
>>>> seedlings as soon as they appeared above ground; there would
>>>> never be a mature crop of corn.
>>>
>>> Theory sounds good but just not true.
>>
>> Do you really think animals would wait until the crop has matured?
>>
>>
> I remember my uncle planting his garden and how he'd complain about
> the deer eating all the tender shoots pretty much as soon as they
> appear above ground. Either Gary has not really planted a garden or
> if he has it's a garden in a city area not frequented by deer,
> rabbits, and ground hogs. Even squirrels in city area gardens do a
> lot of damage to vegetables.
>

A lot of farmers have dogs and cats running loose primarily to reduce
the crop destroying wildlife.

On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 16:45:04 -0400, wrote:

>I planted several apple, pear, and plum trees. I get little to no
>fruit as I'd need to spray with chemicals.

Huh? I've never sprayed with chemicals and over the years I've gotten
pears, apricots, avocados, loquat, mangos, oranges, mandarins, lemons,
lime, dates, guava and lemonade fruit.

Gary wrote:

>>I'm laughing at you because I have had many vegetable gardens,
>>just not in recent years. All you just wrote above is mostly
>>paranoid nonsense.
>
>IF you had vegetable gardens, which I don't believe with all the
>nonsense you spew, they were a small patch on a city lot where there
>are no deer or any critters. except for the two legged switchblade and
>zipgun carrying.

That's it. Gary doesn't know what he's talking about. But what's new?

On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 10:45:14 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
>
> I planted several apple, pear, and plum trees. I get little to no
> fruit as I'd need to spray with chemicals. I have a stand of hickory
> nut trees but squirrels get them all.
>

Your trees know that you're not worthy of receiving their prized possessions. Confess your sins and repent before it's too late!

wrote:
> That said Puerto Rico deserves all the misery they got,

Even the 100% Mayans?

wrote:
> There are huge corn fields here, all electrified fenced.

One neighbor that you know has that but not for corn. It was for
his cattle. You've told us that.

My inlaws lived near your area. Everyone grew corn either
commercially or just big personal gardens. I'm talking about half
acre gardens not your cute little 32'-40' long one. They all did
have slight deer and groundhog issues but not enough to cry
about. All had bumper crops. I was there during corn harvest
season a few years. End of August.

Huge farms in the midwest don't use electric fencing and birds
don't eat all the seeds planted. They all grow 7-8' tall corn as
far as the eye can see. I had a roommate years ago that grew up
in Nebraska and his father planted miles of corn crops.

And I've seen many places with apple trees that are not sprayed
and not trimmed and they produce more than the families can eat.
My own grandparent had two near the house.

"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
> why would you plant 50 foot of corn when you said you only eat a
> couple ears of corn once a year? BTW, planting a 50 foot row is
> incorrect. For proper pollination you should plant 4 X 12.5 foot
> rows.

This is his 2016 garden.
It's certainly large enough for him and wife.
Not much corn though.
http://www.hostpic.org/images/1907231556430092.jpg

" wrote:
>
> Even squirrels in
> city area gardens do a lot of damage to vegetables.

I grew baby corn (the kind you see in salad bars) right here on
my back porch for a couple of years until the local squirrel(s)
discovered it. After that, they remembered and would even dig up
seeds right after I planted them. Fried squirrel in gravy with
mashed potatoes and green beans is a tasty meal.

Never any serious issues with animals in my other larger yard
gardens.

In article >, says...
>
> wrote:
> > There are huge corn fields here, all electrified fenced.
>
> One neighbor that you know has that but not for corn. It was for
> his cattle. You've told us that.
>
> My inlaws lived near your area. Everyone grew corn either
> commercially or just big personal gardens. I'm talking about half
> acre gardens not your cute little 32'-40' long one. They all did
> have slight deer and groundhog issues but not enough to cry
> about. All had bumper crops. I was there during corn harvest
> season a few years. End of August.
>
> Huge farms in the midwest don't use electric fencing and birds
> don't eat all the seeds planted. They all grow 7-8' tall corn as
> far as the eye can see. I had a roommate years ago that grew up
> in Nebraska and his father planted miles of corn crops.

It's all about scale of planting in relation to deer population.
Someone who plants miles of corn WILL lose some to wildlife but enough
survives that he hasn't wasted his time and seed.

You suggested Sheldon just grow a row or two of unfenced corn for the
deer; a small unprotected planting like that would stand no chance of
reaching maturity among the number of deer that pass through his land.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> " wrote:
> >
> > Even squirrels in
> > city area gardens do a lot of damage to vegetables.
>
> I grew baby corn (the kind you see in salad bars) right here on
> my back porch for a couple of years until the local squirrel(s)
> discovered it. After that, they remembered and would even dig up
> seeds right after I planted them. Fried squirrel in gravy with
> mashed potatoes and green beans is a tasty meal.
>
> Never any serious issues with animals in my other larger yard
> gardens.

I never have any trouble from rogue elephants smashing up the garden
and stealing the bananas. Maybe I'm just lucky, or perhaps it's because
banana trees don't grow here.

We opened our garden on Sunday to raise funds for a local cancer
charity; we made over £400. My nails are grubby stubs after a week-long
weedathon getting ready for it.

Janet UK.

Janet wrote:
>
> You suggested Sheldon just grow a row or two of unfenced corn for the
> deer; a small unprotected planting like that would stand no chance of
> reaching maturity among the number of deer that pass through his land.

My inlaws planted corn and had minimal deer issues. They lived in
his area too. That said, Sheldon has turned his property into a
"shelter" for deer. They KNOW they are safe in his yard so that
would certainly make a difference. Regardless, if he plants corn
for the deer and waterfowl ONLY, no worries if the deer eat the
plants early...it was for them anyway. Dumb of them for not
waiting until corn matured though.

Only the ducks and geese in the fall will be mad at the deer for
eating all the corn before it matured.

Janet wrote:
>
> > Never any serious issues with animals in my other larger yard
> > gardens.
>
> I never have any trouble from rogue elephants smashing up the garden
> and stealing the bananas. Maybe I'm just lucky, or perhaps it's because
> banana trees don't grow here.

LOL. I've also never had any problems with elephants.
Surprisingly, no giraffes or kangaroos either.

> We opened our garden on Sunday to raise funds for a local cancer
> charity; we made over £400. My nails are grubby stubs after a week-long
> weedathon getting ready for it.

Good for you and very nice of you, Janet.
How big of a garden do you have? Sounds fairly large to raise
that much money.

On 2019-07-23 6:35 a.m., Gary wrote:

> And I've seen many places with apple trees that are not sprayed
> and not trimmed and they produce more than the families can eat.
> My own grandparent had two near the house.

My health food Nazi SiL has organic fruit trees. There is rarely
anything worth eating from those trees.

On 7/23/2019 9:38 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-07-23 6:35 a.m., Gary wrote:
>
>> And I've seen many places with apple trees that are not sprayed
>> and not trimmed and they produce more than the families can eat.
>> My own grandparent had two near the house.
>
> My health food Nazi SiL has organic fruit trees. There is rarely
> anything worth eating from those trees.
>
>
>
So is an organic tree on that the dog is not allowed to lift his leg on?

Never thought about it in those terms, but we had a peach and apple tree
and we did not spray them. I guess they were organic? Plenty of fruit
for us, not as much yield as the commercial orchards though.

In article >, says...
>
> Janet wrote:
> >
> > > Never any serious issues with animals in my other larger yard
> > > gardens.
> >
> > I never have any trouble from rogue elephants smashing up the garden
> > and stealing the bananas. Maybe I'm just lucky, or perhaps it's because
> > banana trees don't grow here.
>
> LOL. I've also never had any problems with elephants.
> Surprisingly, no giraffes or kangaroos either.
>
> > We opened our garden on Sunday to raise funds for a local cancer
> > charity; we made over £400. My nails are grubby stubs after a week-long
> > weedathon getting ready for it.
>
> Good for you and very nice of you, Janet.
> How big of a garden do you have? Sounds fairly large to raise
> that much money.

Not big, just half an acre.

Janet UK