On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 20:26:57 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 12:46:43 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Does that mean I'm also not allowed to have an opinion about Trump,
>> the Brexit or the Mexican avocado shortage?
>
>That's an idiotic question. You can post anything you want, this is usenet. Feel free to give your opinion on stuff you know nothing thing about. That's the common M.O. of trolls.

By the way, does that mean you're a troll for commenting on the US
mainland or on white people?

On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 3:01:41 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>
> If they want to build a telescope at your latitude, there are not many
> picks that high. Name a few alternatives?

I will not name a few alternatives. You aren't really interested in my answer anyway and I'm not one to waste time

The real question is if the quest for scientific advancement can take precedence over people? Should researchers be able to operate without boundaries or ethical considerations? Do we get to perform experiments on people without their consent or knowledge? Perhaps they should build their telescope in the middle of St. Peter's Square. That would be cool.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...AU0h1rkmY/edit

On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 5:45:15 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 20:26:57 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 12:46:43 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> Does that mean I'm also not allowed to have an opinion about Trump,
> >> the Brexit or the Mexican avocado shortage?
> >
> >That's an idiotic question. You can post anything you want, this is usenet. Feel free to give your opinion on stuff you know nothing thing about. That's the common M.O. of trolls.
>
> By the way, does that mean you're a troll for commenting on the US
> mainland or on white people?

I've lived on the mainland for several years - have you? I don't know a damn thing about the country which you reside in which disqualifies me from saying anything about it. OTOH, if you're living there, it's probably some kind of ********.

On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 21:04:20 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 3:01:41 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>
>> If they want to build a telescope at your latitude, there are not many
>> picks that high. Name a few alternatives?
>
>I will not name a few alternatives. You aren't really interested in my answer anyway and I'm not one to waste time

How do the friendly, simple, chicken nugget powered people of Hawaii
look upon an unfriendly, snooty know-it-all like you? Are you "that
guy"?

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 8:44:58 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, July 26, 2019 at 11:40:05 AM UTC-10, tert in seattle wrote:
> .
>
> > the Hawaii monarchy ended long before Hawaii became a state
> >
> > the American colonies were not states, and when they were states,
> > there was no longer a monarchy involved
> >
> > the idea that what is currently Canada and the U.S. being "ruled" by
> > external authorities, unbeknowst to the indigenous peoples, before
> > the major push for expansion in the 1800s, is silly
>
> I understand what you're saying but the reality is that the Hawaiians are
> well aware that Hawaii used to be an independent Kingdom and the memories
> of
> the overthrow are still painful to this day.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfBHiIR0gEc
>
> ===
>
> This is how I understood it.
>
> I see that protest was from 2016. Are they still going on?

I can't say what the status is of federal recognition of Hawaiians as native
Americans. What they really want is recognition of the Kingdom of Hawaii.
Well some native Hawaiians do anyway. Other Hawaiians recognize that you
cannot really regain the past and will seek a more practical approach to
move into the future. There must have been a resolution or a hold on the
protests since I haven't anything about it it.

===

Thanks. Just a point ... are they wanting another King/Queen? I
assume they would need that in order to be a Kingdom.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 11:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-07-27 4:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>
> >> I see that protest was from 2016. Are they still going on?
> >
> > I can't say what the status is of federal recognition of Hawaiians as
> > native Americans. What they really want is recognition of the Kingdom
> > of Hawaii. Well some native Hawaiians do anyway. Other Hawaiians
> > recognize that you cannot really regain the past and will seek a more
> > practical approach to move into the future. There must have been a
> > resolution or a hold on the protests since I haven't anything about
> > it it.
> >
> Which Hawaiian kingdom do they expect to be recognized? There were
> several different ones, and after years of bloodshed they finally
> established a united kingdom.That would have meant that there were some
> sore losers. The traditional Hawaiian society had a class system. I
> wonder how many would support reverting to that if they knew that the
> majority of them would end up at the bottom end of that.

As it goes, it's not any of our business to ask these questions. Those
question should be answered only by the native Hawaiians. I am well aware of
the differing factions of the Hawaiian people but that's neither here nor
there. These are not our affairs.

====

Ahh, I assumed you are Hawaiian If it is not a rude question, where
are you from ... and you don't need to answer that)

In article >, lid
says...
>
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 11:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2019-07-27 4:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > >> I see that protest was from 2016. Are they still going on?
> > >
> > > I can't say what the status is of federal recognition of Hawaiians as
> > > native Americans. What they really want is recognition of the Kingdom
> > > of Hawaii. Well some native Hawaiians do anyway. Other Hawaiians
> > > recognize that you cannot really regain the past and will seek a more
> > > practical approach to move into the future. There must have been a
> > > resolution or a hold on the protests since I haven't anything about
> > > it it.
> > >
> > Which Hawaiian kingdom do they expect to be recognized? There were
> > several different ones, and after years of bloodshed they finally
> > established a united kingdom.That would have meant that there were some
> > sore losers. The traditional Hawaiian society had a class system. I
> > wonder how many would support reverting to that if they knew that the
> > majority of them would end up at the bottom end of that.
>
> As it goes, it's not any of our business to ask these questions. Those
> question should be answered only by the native Hawaiians. I am well aware of
> the differing factions of the Hawaiian people but that's neither here nor
> there. These are not our affairs.
>
> ====
>
> Ahh, I assumed you are Hawaiian

Not a *native* one. Don't you ever bother to read his posts? LOL

Janet UK

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "dsi1" wrote:
> I can't say what the status is of federal recognition of Hawaiians as native
> Americans. What they really want is recognition of the Kingdom of Hawaii.
> Well some native Hawaiians do anyway. Other Hawaiians recognize that you
> cannot really regain the past and will seek a more practical approach to
> move into the future. There must have been a resolution or a hold on the
> protests since I haven't anything about it it.
>
> ===
>
> Thanks. Just a point ... are they wanting another King/Queen? I
> assume they would need that in order to be a Kingdom.

We already fought a civil war about states wanting to leave the
US. I suspect the Hawaiians just want to preserve some of the old
ways and traditions. "Progress" always keep encroaching on such
things though. Give them an inch and they want a mile eventually.

The space telescope has already blown away all the earth-bound
ones. I do believe they are now working on an even better space
telescope++ now. This is where the concentration should be, imo.

I see pictures of "paradise Hawaii" now and feel bad how progress
is steadily ruining what use to such a beautiful place.
Constantly expanding population and housing, etc. Look at an
aerial view of the Honolulu mess. It's a sad sight.

In the USA, only way to stop all this crap is to turn places into
National Parks.

On 7/28/2019 8:37 AM, Gary wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "dsi1" wrote:
>> I can't say what the status is of federal recognition of Hawaiians as native
>> Americans. What they really want is recognition of the Kingdom of Hawaii.
>> Well some native Hawaiians do anyway. Other Hawaiians recognize that you
>> cannot really regain the past and will seek a more practical approach to
>> move into the future. There must have been a resolution or a hold on the
>> protests since I haven't anything about it it.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Thanks. Just a point ... are they wanting another King/Queen? I
>> assume they would need that in order to be a Kingdom.
>
> We already fought a civil war about states wanting to leave the
> US. I suspect the Hawaiians just want to preserve some of the old
> ways and traditions. "Progress" always keep encroaching on such
> things though. Give them an inch and they want a mile eventually.
>
> The space telescope has already blown away all the earth-bound
> ones. I do believe they are now working on an even better space
> telescope++ now. This is where the concentration should be, imo.
>
> I see pictures of "paradise Hawaii" now and feel bad how progress
> is steadily ruining what use to such a beautiful place.
> Constantly expanding population and housing, etc. Look at an
> aerial view of the Honolulu mess. It's a sad sight.
>
> In the USA, only way to stop all this crap is to turn places into
> National Parks.
>
FYI: there *are* National Parks on the Hawaiian islands:

https://www.nps.gov/state/hi/index.htm

Jill

On 7/28/2019 12:04 AM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> The real question is if the quest for scientific advancement can take precedence over people? Should researchers be able to operate without boundaries or ethical considerations? Do we get to perform experiments on people without their consent or knowledge? Perhaps they should build their telescope in the middle of St. Peter's Square. That would be cool.

David, evidently you have not read the news. Last year they did build a
telescope in St. Peter's Square. There were technical problems though.
The pigeons shit on the lens blocking the view. Scientists though they
discovered a new universe and it turned out to just pigeon doo doo.

Janet wrote:
>
> lid says...
> > Ahh, I assumed you are Hawaiian
>
> Not a *native* one. Don't you ever bother to read his posts? LOL
>
> Janet UK

I've always assumed Dsi1 was Hawaiian. Maybe not by blood but if
he was born and raised there, that qualifies to me.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > In the USA, only way to stop all this crap is to turn places into
> > National Parks.
> >
> FYI: there *are* National Parks on the Hawaiian islands:
> https://www.nps.gov/state/hi/index.htm

IMO, they need more to prevent more commercial expansion, dumb
fake blonde. Isn't it time for you to go out on back deck and
read for a bit? Maybe email your "boyfriend/SO" too? I'm sure he
misses you so much, flowers and all.

On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 11:37:24 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Janet wrote:
> >
> > lid says...
> > > Ahh, I assumed you are Hawaiian
> >
> > Not a *native* one. Don't you ever bother to read his posts? LOL
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> I've always assumed Dsi1 was Hawaiian. Maybe not by blood but if
> he was born and raised there, that qualifies to me.

I was born and raised in the U.S. Doesn't make me an Indian.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 11:37:24 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > Janet wrote:
> > >
> > > lid says...
> > > > Ahh, I assumed you are Hawaiian
> > >
> > > Not a *native* one. Don't you ever bother to read his posts? LOL
> > >
> > > Janet UK
> >
> > I've always assumed Dsi1 was Hawaiian. Maybe not by blood but if
> > he was born and raised there, that qualifies to me.
>
> I was born and raised in the U.S. Doesn't make me an Indian.

That makes you a Usain.

Ophelia wrote:

> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 11:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2019-07-27 4:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >>> I see that protest was from 2016. Are they still going on?
> > >
> >> I can't say what the status is of federal recognition of Hawaiians
> as >> native Americans. What they really want is recognition of the
> Kingdom >> of Hawaii. Well some native Hawaiians do anyway. Other
> Hawaiians >> recognize that you cannot really regain the past and
> will seek a more >> practical approach to move into the future. There
> must have been a >> resolution or a hold on the protests since I
> haven't anything about >> it it.
> > >
> > Which Hawaiian kingdom do they expect to be recognized? There were
> > several different ones, and after years of bloodshed they finally
> > established a united kingdom.That would have meant that there were
> > some sore losers. The traditional Hawaiian society had a class
> > system. I wonder how many would support reverting to that if they
> > knew that the majority of them would end up at the bottom end of
> > that.
>
> As it goes, it's not any of our business to ask these questions.
> Those question should be answered only by the native Hawaiians. I am
> well aware of the differing factions of the Hawaiian people but
> that's neither here nor there. These are not our affairs.
>
> ====
>
> Ahh, I assumed you are Hawaiian If it is not a rude question,
> where are you from ... and you don't need to answer that)

I believe it is less than 5% of the total populace who can claim Native
Hawaiian.

On 2019-07-28 1:14 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>> "dsi1" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 11:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2019-07-27 4:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I see that protest was from 2016. Are they still going on?
>>>>
>>>> I can't say what the status is of federal recognition of Hawaiians
>> as >> native Americans. What they really want is recognition of the
>> Kingdom >> of Hawaii. Well some native Hawaiians do anyway. Other
>> Hawaiians >> recognize that you cannot really regain the past and
>> will seek a more >> practical approach to move into the future. There
>> must have been a >> resolution or a hold on the protests since I
>> haven't anything about >> it it.
>>>>
>>> Which Hawaiian kingdom do they expect to be recognized? There were
>>> several different ones, and after years of bloodshed they finally
>>> established a united kingdom.That would have meant that there were
>>> some sore losers. The traditional Hawaiian society had a class
>>> system. I wonder how many would support reverting to that if they
>>> knew that the majority of them would end up at the bottom end of
>>> that.
>>
>> As it goes, it's not any of our business to ask these questions.
>> Those question should be answered only by the native Hawaiians. I am
>> well aware of the differing factions of the Hawaiian people but
>> that's neither here nor there. These are not our affairs.
>>
>> ====
>>
>> Ahh, I assumed you are Hawaiian If it is not a rude question,
>> where are you from ... and you don't need to answer that)
>
> I believe it is less than 5% of the total populace who can claim Native
> Hawaiian.
>
How many claim and how many actually are qualified to claim status often
varies a lot. I read that 25% of Americans claim to be descendants of
the Mayflower Pilgrims, but genealogist figure the number would be
closer to 10 million, and maybe as high as 35 million.

On 7/28/2019 12:14 PM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>>> In the USA, only way to stop all this crap is to turn places into
>>> National Parks.
>>>
>> FYI: there *are* National Parks on the Hawaiian islands:
>> https://www.nps.gov/state/hi/index.htm
>
> IMO, they need more to prevent more commercial expansion, dumb
> fake blonde. Isn't it time for you to go out on back deck and
> read for a bit? Maybe email your "boyfriend/SO" too? I'm sure he
> misses you so much, flowers and all.
>
Okay done troll!

Jill

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 09:17:25 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 11:37:24 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Janet wrote:
>> >
>> > lid says...
>> > > Ahh, I assumed you are Hawaiian
>> >
>> > Not a *native* one. Don't you ever bother to read his posts? LOL
>> >
>> > Janet UK
>>
>> I've always assumed Dsi1 was Hawaiian. Maybe not by blood but if
>> he was born and raised there, that qualifies to me.
>
>I was born and raised in the U.S. Doesn't make me an Indian.

lol

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 13:45:23 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 7/28/2019 12:14 PM, Gary wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> Gary wrote:
>>>> In the USA, only way to stop all this crap is to turn places into
>>>> National Parks.
>>>>
>>> FYI: there *are* National Parks on the Hawaiian islands:
>>> https://www.nps.gov/state/hi/index.htm
>>
>> IMO, they need more to prevent more commercial expansion, dumb
>> fake blonde. Isn't it time for you to go out on back deck and
>> read for a bit? Maybe email your "boyfriend/SO" too? I'm sure he
>> misses you so much, flowers and all.
>>
>Okay done troll!

Killfiling doesn't feel as good if you don't announce it, right?

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 11:37:40 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Janet wrote:
>>
>> lid says...
>> > Ahh, I assumed you are Hawaiian
>>
>> Not a *native* one. Don't you ever bother to read his posts? LOL
>>
>> Janet UK
>
>I've always assumed Dsi1 was Hawaiian. Maybe not by blood but if
>he was born and raised there, that qualifies to me.

We've no idea where the ukelele kid was born, probably in Lebanon or
Japan. I'm fairly certain he's either a towelhead or a Jap, his
mindset is certainly far more UAE/Edo than USA... and he definately
cooks TIAD.

I'm an Islander too... born in Brooklyn... Brooklyn is an island. a
melting pot of all the planet's ethnicities, a far better island than
racist ukelele land. I never knew that ukelele land was so much into
racism until reading ukelele's deeply racist posts.

On 7/28/2019 8:48 PM, wrote:

> I'm an Islander too... born in Brooklyn... Brooklyn is an island. a
> melting pot of all the planet's ethnicities, a far better island than
> racist ukelele land.

Brooklyn is _not_ an island - it is one of four boroughs on Long Island.

On 7/28/2019 9:09 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 7/28/2019 8:48 PM, wrote:
>
>> I'm an Islander too... born in Brooklyn... Brooklyn is an island. a
>> melting pot of all the planet's ethnicities, a far better island than
>> racist ukelele land.
>
> Brooklyn is _not_ an island - it is one of four boroughs on Long Island.

Oops. Brooklyn is one of two boroughs - the other two bits are counties.

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:48:50 -0400, wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 11:37:40 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>I've always assumed Dsi1 was Hawaiian. Maybe not by blood but if
>>he was born and raised there, that qualifies to me.
>
>We've no idea where the ukelele kid was born, probably in Lebanon or
>Japan. I'm fairly certain he's either a towelhead or a Jap, his
>mindset is certainly far more UAE/Edo than USA... and he definately
>cooks TIAD.
>
>I'm an Islander too... born in Brooklyn... Brooklyn is an island. a
>melting pot of all the planet's ethnicities, a far better island than
>racist ukelele land. I never knew that ukelele land was so much into
>racism until reading ukelele's deeply racist posts.

Yes, but the funny thing is that you're the other big racist here.
You're so full of racist prejudices, you've got them coming out of
your ears.

wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 11:37:40 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Janet wrote:
>>>
>>> lid says...
>>>> Ahh, I assumed you are Hawaiian
>>>
>>> Not a *native* one. Don't you ever bother to read his posts? LOL
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>
>> I've always assumed Dsi1 was Hawaiian. Maybe not by blood but if
>> he was born and raised there, that qualifies to me.
>
> We've no idea where the ukelele kid was born, probably in Lebanon or
> Japan. I'm fairly certain he's either a towelhead or a Jap, his
> mindset is certainly far more UAE/Edo than USA... and he definately
> cooks TIAD.
>
> I'm an Islander too... born in Brooklyn... Brooklyn is an island. a
> melting pot of all the planet's ethnicities, a far better island than
> racist ukelele land.


Brookyln is a shit hole Popeye.

On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 11:10:57 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 11:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2019-07-27 4:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > >> I see that protest was from 2016. Are they still going on?
> > >
> > > I can't say what the status is of federal recognition of Hawaiians as
> > > native Americans. What they really want is recognition of the Kingdom
> > > of Hawaii. Well some native Hawaiians do anyway. Other Hawaiians
> > > recognize that you cannot really regain the past and will seek a more
> > > practical approach to move into the future. There must have been a
> > > resolution or a hold on the protests since I haven't anything about
> > > it it.
> > >
> > Which Hawaiian kingdom do they expect to be recognized? There were
> > several different ones, and after years of bloodshed they finally
> > established a united kingdom.That would have meant that there were some
> > sore losers. The traditional Hawaiian society had a class system. I
> > wonder how many would support reverting to that if they knew that the
> > majority of them would end up at the bottom end of that.
>
> As it goes, it's not any of our business to ask these questions. Those
> question should be answered only by the native Hawaiians. I am well aware of
> the differing factions of the Hawaiian people but that's neither here nor
> there. These are not our affairs.
>
> ====
>
> Ahh, I assumed you are Hawaiian If it is not a rude question, where
> are you from ... and you don't need to answer that)

There are only a frightfully few "pure" Hawaiians left. Most of the natives are part Hawaiians. I think you get to be native Hawaiians by being raised with the language and taught to have a love and a certain relationship with the land. My granddaughters are part Hawaiian, my wife and I are not. In the end we get to be classified as local Hawaiians, not native Hawaiians.

Mostly, the locals have learned to love the culture and people of Hawaii. The native Hawaiians also love the people and culture but also feel a great kinship with the land and the ways of the past. I know, it's confusing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPjBMJndO-E

On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 11:10:57 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>
> Thanks. Just a point ... are they wanting another King/Queen? I
> assume they would need that in order to be a Kingdom.

Some of the natives do. There are some individuals that claim they have title to the throne. It's kind of a mess. The local joke is that all the native Hawaiians think they are Hawaiian royalty. Even the native Hawaiians think that's pretty funny.

On 2019-07-28 4:09 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> On 7/28/2019 8:48 PM, wrote:
>
>> I'm an Islander too... born in Brooklyn... Brooklyn is an island. a
>> melting pot of all the planet's ethnicities, a far better island than
>> racist ukelele land.
>
> Brooklyn is _not_ an island - it is one of four boroughs on Long Island.


It is one of four boroughs on Long Island, but it is not an island????
I have never been there so I had to look at some maps. I am trying to
figure out how to get there from the mainland without crossing a bridge
or taking a ferry. .... but it is not an island. ??

On 2019-07-28 4:46 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
a
> Mostly, the locals have learned to love the culture and people of
> Hawaii. The native Hawaiians also love the people and culture but
> also feel a great kinship with the land and the ways of the past. I
> know, it's confusing.

It is certainly confusing with our native people. They talk a lot about
their love of the land and their respect for mother nature, but their
actions tell another story.

On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 2:37:05 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>
> We already fought a civil war about states wanting to leave the
> US. I suspect the Hawaiians just want to preserve some of the old
> ways and traditions. "Progress" always keep encroaching on such
> things though. Give them an inch and they want a mile eventually.
>
> The space telescope has already blown away all the earth-bound
> ones. I do believe they are now working on an even better space
> telescope++ now. This is where the concentration should be, imo.
>
> I see pictures of "paradise Hawaii" now and feel bad how progress
> is steadily ruining what use to such a beautiful place.
> Constantly expanding population and housing, etc. Look at an
> aerial view of the Honolulu mess. It's a sad sight.
>
> In the USA, only way to stop all this crap is to turn places into
> National Parks.

We have a national park next door. It gave me a great delight to see the park rangers wearing those hats that I had only seen in Yogi Bear cartoons and Smokey the Bear posters. I thought "wow, they actually exist!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cKMH4AE6H8

On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 5:02:35 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/28/2019 12:04 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > The real question is if the quest for scientific advancement can take precedence over people? Should researchers be able to operate without boundaries or ethical considerations? Do we get to perform experiments on people without their consent or knowledge? Perhaps they should build their telescope in the middle of St. Peter's Square. That would be cool.
>
> David, evidently you have not read the news. Last year they did build a
> telescope in St. Peter's Square. There were technical problems though.
> The pigeons shit on the lens blocking the view. Scientists though they
> discovered a new universe and it turned out to just pigeon doo doo.

Such are the vicissitudes of science. Pigeon shit can be a problem. That's why they should build these big telescopes under the sea.

On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 11:01:43 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-07-28 4:46 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> a
> > Mostly, the locals have learned to love the culture and people of
> > Hawaii. The native Hawaiians also love the people and culture but
> > also feel a great kinship with the land and the ways of the past. I
> > know, it's confusing.
>
> It is certainly confusing with our native people. They talk a lot about
> their love of the land and their respect for mother nature, but their
> actions tell another story.

I don't blame them, for the most part the land they got is kind of shitty - suitable only for growing casinos.

On 7/28/2019 10:01 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-07-28 4:09 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 7/28/2019 8:48 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> I'm an Islander too... born in Brooklyn... Brooklyn is an island. a
>>> melting pot of all the planet's ethnicities, a far better island than
>>> racist ukelele land.
>>
>> Brooklyn is _not_ an island - it is one of four boroughs on Long Island.
>
>
> It is one of four boroughs on Long Island, but it is not an island???? I
> have never been there so I had to look at some maps. I am trying to
> figure out how to get there from the mainland without crossing a bridge
> or taking a ferry. .... but it is not an island. ??

No, it is not an island. It is a _part_ of an island which includes
Queens, Nassau and Suffolk.
For example - I wouldn't call Scotland an island - it is _part_ of an
island, which also includes England and Wales.

On 2019-07-28 5:19 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 11:01:43 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2019-07-28 4:46 p.m., dsi1 wrote: a
>>> Mostly, the locals have learned to love the culture and people
>>> of Hawaii. The native Hawaiians also love the people and culture
>>> but also feel a great kinship with the land and the ways of the
>>> past. I know, it's confusing.
>>
>> It is certainly confusing with our native people. They talk a lot
>> about their love of the land and their respect for mother nature,
>> but their actions tell another story.
>
> I don't blame them, for the most part the land they got is kind of
> shitty - suitable only for growing casinos.
>

The land they got is generally the land they inhabited before. Most of
the reserves in southern Ontario are on good agricultural land. The
native bands in the north are the same lands their people lived on, and
it is mostly rock, muskeg and moose pasture, just like it always was.
Casinos are a way for them to make a lot of money without having to
really work. Unfortunately, they started allowing casinos in the rest of
the country. Their idea for running a casino to earn money for their
band is to have the government pay for the construction of the casino,
to pay for consultants to teach them how to run it, to hire and train
the staff, and then the band gets all the proceeds.

On 2019-07-28 5:46 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> On 7/28/2019 10:01 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2019-07-28 4:09 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 7/28/2019 8:48 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm an Islander too... born in Brooklyn... Brooklyn is an island. a
>>>> melting pot of all the planet's ethnicities, a far better island than
>>>> racist ukelele land.
>>>
>>> Brooklyn is _not_ an island - it is one of four boroughs on Long Island.
>>
>>
>> It is one of four boroughs on Long Island, but it is not an island???? I
>> have never been there so I had to look at some maps. I am trying to
>> figure out how to get there from the mainland without crossing a bridge
>> or taking a ferry. .... but it is not an island.Â* ??
>
> No, it is not an island. It is a _part_ of an island which includes
> Queens, Nassau and Suffolk.
> For example - I wouldn't call Scotland an island - it is _part_ of an
> island, which also includes England and Wales.


It is on an island. It is part of an island.

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 18:09:18 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-07-28 5:46 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 7/28/2019 10:01 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2019-07-28 4:09 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Brooklyn is _not_ an island - it is one of four boroughs on Long Island.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is one of four boroughs on Long Island, but it is not an island???? I
>>> have never been there so I had to look at some maps. I am trying to
>>> figure out how to get there from the mainland without crossing a bridge
>>> or taking a ferry. .... but it is not an island.Â* ??
>>
>> No, it is not an island. It is a _part_ of an island which includes
>> Queens, Nassau and Suffolk.
>> For example - I wouldn't call Scotland an island - it is _part_ of an
>> island, which also includes England and Wales.
>
>
>It is on an island. It is part of an island.

Why do you repeat what she said?

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 17:01:14 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-07-28 4:09 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 7/28/2019 8:48 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> I'm an Islander too... born in Brooklyn... Brooklyn is an island. a
>>> melting pot of all the planet's ethnicities, a far better island than
>>> racist ukelele land.
>>
>> Brooklyn is _not_ an island - it is one of four boroughs on Long Island.
>
>It is one of four boroughs on Long Island, but it is not an island????
>I have never been there so I had to look at some maps. I am trying to
>figure out how to get there from the mainland without crossing a bridge
>or taking a ferry. .... but it is not an island. ??

Brooklyn is most definitely an island, as much an island as
Manhattan., there is no way to get there without crossing a bridge,
taking a ferry, going through a tunnel under a river, swimming, or
parachuting in. The borough of Brooklyn is Kings County. There are no
boroughs comprising Long Island,. there are two countys, Nassau to the
west and Suffolk to the east. What no brainers, can't decipher a
map... without GPS yoose imbeciles coulddn't find your way home unless
yoose left a trail of bread crumbs. NYC is comprised of five
boroughs; Manhattan, Brooklyn. Queens, Staten Island, and The Bronx.
Staten Island is not an island, used to be called Richmond. Brooklyn
should have been a Country, at least a State. Brooklyn is far more
qualified to be a state than third world ukelele land. I'd much
rather have seen Brooklyn become a State, in the '50s, not now, too
many fercocktah liberals.

On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 12:28:20 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 17:01:14 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2019-07-28 4:09 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> >> On 7/28/2019 8:48 PM, wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm an Islander too... born in Brooklyn... Brooklyn is an island. a
> >>> melting pot of all the planet's ethnicities, a far better island than
> >>> racist ukelele land.
> >>
> >> Brooklyn is _not_ an island - it is one of four boroughs on Long Island.
> >
> >It is one of four boroughs on Long Island, but it is not an island????
> >I have never been there so I had to look at some maps. I am trying to
> >figure out how to get there from the mainland without crossing a bridge
> >or taking a ferry. .... but it is not an island. ??
>
> Brooklyn is most definitely an island, as much an island as
> Manhattan., there is no way to get there without crossing a bridge,
> taking a ferry, going through a tunnel under a river, swimming, or
> parachuting in. The borough of Brooklyn is Kings County. There are no
> boroughs comprising Long Island,. there are two countys, Nassau to the
> west and Suffolk to the east. What no brainers, can't decipher a
> map... without GPS yoose imbeciles coulddn't find your way home unless
> yoose left a trail of bread crumbs. NYC is comprised of five
> boroughs; Manhattan, Brooklyn. Queens, Staten Island, and The Bronx.
> Staten Island is not an island, used to be called Richmond. Brooklyn
> should have been a Country, at least a State. Brooklyn is far more
> qualified to be a state than third world ukelele land. I'd much
> rather have seen Brooklyn become a State, in the '50s, not now, too
> many fercocktah liberals.

Brokeland is no island any more than my condo is an island. What is yoose - stopid?

On 7/28/2019 5:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 11:01:43 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2019-07-28 4:46 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> a
>>> Mostly, the locals have learned to love the culture and people of
>>> Hawaii. The native Hawaiians also love the people and culture but
>>> also feel a great kinship with the land and the ways of the past. I
>>> know, it's confusing.
>>
>> It is certainly confusing with our native people. They talk a lot about
>> their love of the land and their respect for mother nature, but their
>> actions tell another story.
>
> I don't blame them, for the most part the land they got is kind of shitty - suitable only for growing casinos.
>

Love of casinos probably is greater than love of a sacred site.

On 2019-07-28 6:44 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/28/2019 5:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> I don't blame them, for the most part the land they got is kind of
>> shitty - suitable only for growing casinos.
>>
>
> Love of casinos probably is greater than love of a sacred site.

There is a casino in Niagara Falls about 15 miles down the road from me.
I went through it once and was surprised that most of the people there
looked so depressed.

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 18:57:31 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-07-28 6:44 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/28/2019 5:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>> I don't blame them, for the most part the land they got is kind of
>>> shitty - suitable only for growing casinos.
>>>
>>
>> Love of casinos probably is greater than love of a sacred site.
>
>There is a casino in Niagara Falls about 15 miles down the road from me.
>I went through it once and was surprised that most of the people there
>looked so depressed.

Did they see you coming?