S Viemeister wrote:
> On 7/28/2019 8:48 PM, wrote:
>
>> I'm an Islander too... born in Brooklyn... Brooklyn is an island. a
>> melting pot of all the planet's ethnicities, a far better island than
>> racist ukelele land.
>
> Brooklyn is _not_ an island - it is one of four boroughs on Long
> Island.

Are yoose saying Popeye is wwwww wwwrong?

Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:48:50 -0400, wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 11:37:40 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> I've always assumed Dsi1 was Hawaiian. Maybe not by blood but if
>>> he was born and raised there, that qualifies to me.
>>
>> We've no idea where the ukelele kid was born, probably in Lebanon or
>> Japan. I'm fairly certain he's either a towelhead or a Jap, his
>> mindset is certainly far more UAE/Edo than USA... and he definately
>> cooks TIAD.
>>
>> I'm an Islander too... born in Brooklyn... Brooklyn is an island. a
>> melting pot of all the planet's ethnicities, a far better island than
>> racist ukelele land. I never knew that ukelele land was so much into
>> racism until reading ukelele's deeply racist posts.
>
> Yes, but the funny thing is that you're the other big racist here.
> You're so full of racist prejudices, you've got them coming out of
> your ears.
>

He's not a racist. He just don't like anyone whose not a 100% mayan.

or Puerto ricans
or homosexuals

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-07-28 4:09 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 7/28/2019 8:48 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> I'm an Islander too... born in Brooklyn... Brooklyn is an island. a
>>> melting pot of all the planet's ethnicities, a far better island
>>> than
>>> racist ukelele land.
>>
>> Brooklyn is _not_ an island - it is one of four boroughs on Long
>> Island.
>
>
> It is one of four boroughs on Long Island, but it is not an
> island???? I have never been there so I had to look at some maps. I
> am trying to figure out how to get there from the mainland without
> crossing a bridge or taking a ferry. .... but it is not an island.* ??

Yoose picked this type of thinkin from druce, didn't yoose?

S Viemeister wrote:
> On 7/28/2019 10:01 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2019-07-28 4:09 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 7/28/2019 8:48 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm an Islander too... born in Brooklyn... Brooklyn is an island. a
>>>> melting pot of all the planet's ethnicities, a far better island
>>>> than
>>>> racist ukelele land.
>>>
>>> Brooklyn is _not_ an island - it is one of four boroughs on Long
>>> Island.
>>
>>
>> It is one of four boroughs on Long Island, but it is not an
>> island???? I
>> have never been there so I had to look at some maps. I am trying to
>> figure out how to get there from the mainland without crossing a
>> bridge
>> or taking a ferry. .... but it is not an island.* ??
>
> No, it is not an island. It is a _part_ of an island which includes
> Queens, Nassau and Suffolk.
> For example - I wouldn't call Scotland an island - it is _part_ of
> an island, which also includes England and Wales.

Hmmm, maybe he really is as ignorant as professor Popeye.

Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 18:09:18 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2019-07-28 5:46 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 7/28/2019 10:01 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2019-07-28 4:09 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Brooklyn is _not_ an island - it is one of four boroughs on Long Island.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is one of four boroughs on Long Island, but it is not an island???? I
>>>> have never been there so I had to look at some maps. I am trying to
>>>> figure out how to get there from the mainland without crossing a bridge
>>>> or taking a ferry. .... but it is not an island.Â* ??
>>>
>>> No, it is not an island. It is a _part_ of an island which includes
>>> Queens, Nassau and Suffolk.
>>> For example - I wouldn't call Scotland an island - it is _part_ of an
>>> island, which also includes England and Wales.
>>
>>
>> It is on an island. It is part of an island.
>
> Why do you repeat what she said?
>

He doesn't believer her.

dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 12:28:20 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 17:01:14 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2019-07-28 4:09 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>>> On 7/28/2019 8:48 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm an Islander too... born in Brooklyn... Brooklyn is an island. a
>>>>> melting pot of all the planet's ethnicities, a far better island than
>>>>> racist ukelele land.
>>>>
>>>> Brooklyn is _not_ an island - it is one of four boroughs on Long Island.
>>>
>>> It is one of four boroughs on Long Island, but it is not an island????
>>> I have never been there so I had to look at some maps. I am trying to
>>> figure out how to get there from the mainland without crossing a bridge
>>> or taking a ferry. .... but it is not an island. ??
>>
>> Brooklyn is most definitely an island, as much an island as
>> Manhattan., there is no way to get there without crossing a bridge,
>> taking a ferry, going through a tunnel under a river, swimming, or
>> parachuting in. The borough of Brooklyn is Kings County. There are no
>> boroughs comprising Long Island,. there are two countys, Nassau to the
>> west and Suffolk to the east. What no brainers, can't decipher a
>> map... without GPS yoose imbeciles coulddn't find your way home unless
>> yoose left a trail of bread crumbs. NYC is comprised of five
>> boroughs; Manhattan, Brooklyn. Queens, Staten Island, and The Bronx.
>> Staten Island is not an island, used to be called Richmond. Brooklyn
>> should have been a Country, at least a State. Brooklyn is far more
>> qualified to be a state than third world ukelele land. I'd much
>> rather have seen Brooklyn become a State, in the '50s, not now, too
>> many fercocktah liberals.
>
> Brokeland is no island any more than my condo is an island. What is yoose - stopid?
>

He thinks Nebraska is an island.

On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 12:44:38 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/28/2019 5:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 11:01:43 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2019-07-28 4:46 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> >> a
> >>> Mostly, the locals have learned to love the culture and people of
> >>> Hawaii. The native Hawaiians also love the people and culture but
> >>> also feel a great kinship with the land and the ways of the past. I
> >>> know, it's confusing.
> >>
> >> It is certainly confusing with our native people. They talk a lot about
> >> their love of the land and their respect for mother nature, but their
> >> actions tell another story.
> >
> > I don't blame them, for the most part the land they got is kind of shitty - suitable only for growing casinos.
> >
>
> Love of casinos probably is greater than love of a sacred site.

I won't comment on the motives, plans, or dreams, of the indigenous peoples of Hawaii or the mainland. It is not my kuliana. In this world, it's all about doing what you have to do to survive, baby!

The only thing I know is that we get to enjoy the benefits of living on the lands that were stolen from them. They deserve our respect, gratitude and maybe even some small tributes.

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 17:53:23 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 12:44:38 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/28/2019 5:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 11:01:43 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> On 2019-07-28 4:46 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> >> a
>> >>> Mostly, the locals have learned to love the culture and people of
>> >>> Hawaii. The native Hawaiians also love the people and culture but
>> >>> also feel a great kinship with the land and the ways of the past. I
>> >>> know, it's confusing.
>> >>
>> >> It is certainly confusing with our native people. They talk a lot about
>> >> their love of the land and their respect for mother nature, but their
>> >> actions tell another story.
>> >
>> > I don't blame them, for the most part the land they got is kind of shitty - suitable only for growing casinos.
>> >
>>
>> Love of casinos probably is greater than love of a sacred site.
>
>I won't comment on the motives, plans, or dreams, of the indigenous peoples of Hawaii or the mainland. It is not my kuliana. In this world, it's all about doing what you have to do to survive, baby!
>
>The only thing I know is that we get to enjoy the benefits of living on the lands that were stolen from them. They deserve our respect, gratitude and maybe even some small tributes.

Anything, except giving the land back?

On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 12:54:36 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-07-28 6:44 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 7/28/2019 5:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >> I don't blame them, for the most part the land they got is kind of
> >> shitty - suitable only for growing casinos.
> >>
> >
> > Love of casinos probably is greater than love of a sacred site.
>
> There is a casino in Niagara Falls about 15 miles down the road from me.
> I went through it once and was surprised that most of the people there
> looked so depressed.

My guess is it's because they realize that the deck is stacked against them.

On 2019-07-28 9:53 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 12:54:36 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2019-07-28 6:44 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 7/28/2019 5:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't blame them, for the most part the land they got is kind of
>>>> shitty - suitable only for growing casinos.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Love of casinos probably is greater than love of a sacred site.
>>
>> There is a casino in Niagara Falls about 15 miles down the road from me.
>> I went through it once and was surprised that most of the people there
>> looked so depressed.
>
> My guess is it's because they realize that the deck is stacked against them.
>
>

They should have realized that before they went there. Casinos count on
those poor sucker being willing to drop a certain amount of money and
considering it the cost of a fun evening out. When they start running
low on cash they are desperate to win it back. If they get a significant
win they are likely to keep feeding the machine in the hope of an even
bigger win. It's pretty sad.

On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 4:02:54 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-07-28 9:53 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 12:54:36 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2019-07-28 6:44 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> On 7/28/2019 5:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I don't blame them, for the most part the land they got is kind of
> >>>> shitty - suitable only for growing casinos.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Love of casinos probably is greater than love of a sacred site.
> >>
> >> There is a casino in Niagara Falls about 15 miles down the road from me.
> >> I went through it once and was surprised that most of the people there
> >> looked so depressed.
> >
> > My guess is it's because they realize that the deck is stacked against them.
> >
> >
>
> They should have realized that before they went there. Casinos count on
> those poor sucker being willing to drop a certain amount of money and
> considering it the cost of a fun evening out. When they start running
> low on cash they are desperate to win it back. If they get a significant
> win they are likely to keep feeding the machine in the hope of an even
> bigger win. It's pretty sad.

What most people don't know is that the Hawaiians love to gamble and they love Las Vegas. My guess is that it's some kind of Asian thing. There are around 50,000 Hawaii expats living in LV. The plan is to eventually take over the whole city. We just want LV, the Nevadans can keep the rest of Nevada. I think it's a fair trade for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii. We even call Las Vegas the "ninth island."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns1biQwqZBw

On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 4:26:21 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 4:02:54 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2019-07-28 9:53 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 12:54:36 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >> On 2019-07-28 6:44 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >>> On 7/28/2019 5:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>> I don't blame them, for the most part the land they got is kind of
> > >>>> shitty - suitable only for growing casinos.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Love of casinos probably is greater than love of a sacred site.
> > >>
> > >> There is a casino in Niagara Falls about 15 miles down the road from me.
> > >> I went through it once and was surprised that most of the people there
> > >> looked so depressed.
> > >
> > > My guess is it's because they realize that the deck is stacked against them.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > They should have realized that before they went there. Casinos count on
> > those poor sucker being willing to drop a certain amount of money and
> > considering it the cost of a fun evening out. When they start running
> > low on cash they are desperate to win it back. If they get a significant
> > win they are likely to keep feeding the machine in the hope of an even
> > bigger win. It's pretty sad.
>
> What most people don't know is that the Hawaiians love to gamble and they love Las Vegas. My guess is that it's some kind of Asian thing.

It's certainly a sign that they're unfamiliar with the laws of probability.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 03:07:03 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 4:26:21 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 4:02:54 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > On 2019-07-28 9:53 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> > > On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 12:54:36 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > >> On 2019-07-28 6:44 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > >>> On 7/28/2019 5:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>>> I don't blame them, for the most part the land they got is kind of
>> > >>>> shitty - suitable only for growing casinos.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Love of casinos probably is greater than love of a sacred site.
>> > >>
>> > >> There is a casino in Niagara Falls about 15 miles down the road from me.
>> > >> I went through it once and was surprised that most of the people there
>> > >> looked so depressed.
>> > >
>> > > My guess is it's because they realize that the deck is stacked against them.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > They should have realized that before they went there. Casinos count on
>> > those poor sucker being willing to drop a certain amount of money and
>> > considering it the cost of a fun evening out. When they start running
>> > low on cash they are desperate to win it back. If they get a significant
>> > win they are likely to keep feeding the machine in the hope of an even
>> > bigger win. It's pretty sad.
>>
>> What most people don't know is that the Hawaiians love to gamble and they love Las Vegas. My guess is that it's some kind of Asian thing.
>
>It's certainly a sign that they're unfamiliar with the laws of probability.

Maybe being between cultures means people end up only valuing money.

In article >,
dsi1 > wrote:


> What most people don't know is that the Hawaiians love to gamble and they
> love Las Vegas. My guess is that it's some kind of Asian thing. There are
> around 50,000 Hawaii expats living in LV. The plan is to eventually take over
> the whole city. We just want LV, the Nevadans can keep the rest of Nevada. I
> think it's a fair trade for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii. We even
> call Las Vegas the "ninth island."

I'm down with that. Have at it!

leo

On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 12:07:08 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> It's certainly a sign that they're unfamiliar with the laws of probability.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I doubt that is true. I've talked to lots of people that go to LV. They don't care that they've lost money. The important part is that they had a heck of a good time. A lot of people go to sin city at least once a year. Some folks go 4 times a year. Going to Las Vegas makes a lot of Hawaiians happy. Amazing!

I'm not a big fan of LV with it's ridiculously hot-oven days. It's a kind of hell. My town is like heaven. I'm all about heaven and hell.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...fNP8QCEjzGvd2Q

dsi1 wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > In the USA, only way to stop all this crap is to turn places into
> > National Parks.

Note: I probably should have included State Parks too but I
sometimes wonder if they really are permanent. I've got a huge
(2888 acre) State Park nearby that's all prime North End property
including a lot of waterfront on two bays. I wouldn't be
surprised if someday, that might be all bulldozed down to make a
huge neighborhood which will bring in so much more property tax
for the greedy city council.

https://www.first-landing-state-park.org/


>
> We have a national park next door. It gave me a great delight to see the park rangers wearing those hats that I had only seen in Yogi Bear cartoons and Smokey the Bear posters. I thought "wow, they actually exist!"

That's funny. At the very least, I only live one mile from a vast
"wilderness" - the Atlantic Ocean. Greedy Virginia Beach can't
mess with that.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 11:10:57 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 11:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2019-07-27 4:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > >> I see that protest was from 2016. Are they still going on?
> > >
> > > I can't say what the status is of federal recognition of Hawaiians as
> > > native Americans. What they really want is recognition of the Kingdom
> > > of Hawaii. Well some native Hawaiians do anyway. Other Hawaiians
> > > recognize that you cannot really regain the past and will seek a more
> > > practical approach to move into the future. There must have been a
> > > resolution or a hold on the protests since I haven't anything about
> > > it it.
> > >
> > Which Hawaiian kingdom do they expect to be recognized? There were
> > several different ones, and after years of bloodshed they finally
> > established a united kingdom.That would have meant that there were some
> > sore losers. The traditional Hawaiian society had a class system. I
> > wonder how many would support reverting to that if they knew that the
> > majority of them would end up at the bottom end of that.
>
> As it goes, it's not any of our business to ask these questions. Those
> question should be answered only by the native Hawaiians. I am well aware
> of
> the differing factions of the Hawaiian people but that's neither here nor
> there. These are not our affairs.
>
> ====
>
> Ahh, I assumed you are Hawaiian If it is not a rude question,
> where
> are you from ... and you don't need to answer that)

There are only a frightfully few "pure" Hawaiians left. Most of the natives
are part Hawaiians. I think you get to be native Hawaiians by being raised
with the language and taught to have a love and a certain relationship with
the land. My granddaughters are part Hawaiian, my wife and I are not. In the
end we get to be classified as local Hawaiians, not native Hawaiians.

Mostly, the locals have learned to love the culture and people of Hawaii.
The native Hawaiians also love the people and culture but also feel a great
kinship with the land and the ways of the past. I know, it's confusing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPjBMJndO-E

=====

Thanks very much! He makes a lot of sense, but then he always does))
Yes, I see now what you meant)

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 12:44:38 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/28/2019 5:19 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 11:01:43 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2019-07-28 4:46 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> >> a
> >>> Mostly, the locals have learned to love the culture and people of
> >>> Hawaii. The native Hawaiians also love the people and culture but
> >>> also feel a great kinship with the land and the ways of the past. I
> >>> know, it's confusing.
> >>
> >> It is certainly confusing with our native people. They talk a lot about
> >> their love of the land and their respect for mother nature, but their
> >> actions tell another story.
> >
> > I don't blame them, for the most part the land they got is kind of
> > shitty - suitable only for growing casinos.
> >
>
> Love of casinos probably is greater than love of a sacred site.

I won't comment on the motives, plans, or dreams, of the indigenous peoples
of Hawaii or the mainland. It is not my kuliana.

It's not your onion??? <g>


In this world, it's all about doing what you have to do to survive, baby!

The only thing I know is that we get to enjoy the benefits of living on the
lands that were stolen from them. They deserve our respect, gratitude and
maybe even some small tributes.

)

Bruce wrote:
....
> Anything, except giving the land back?

i think it would be very fitting if they took
all the gambling profits and bought it back...

IMO that would be capitalism at it's finest.

gambling is addictive and they make it very easy
to forget how long you are there.


songbird (who did some gambling, won a nice jackpot and
hasn't been back much since.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 12:07:08 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> It's certainly a sign that they're unfamiliar with the laws of
> probability.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I doubt that is true. I've talked to lots of people that go to LV. They
don't care that they've lost money. The important part is that they had a
heck of a good time. A lot of people go to sin city at least once a year.
Some folks go 4 times a year. Going to Las Vegas makes a lot of Hawaiians
happy. Amazing!

I'm not a big fan of LV with it's ridiculously hot-oven days. It's a kind of
hell. My town is like heaven. I'm all about heaven and hell.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...fNP8QCEjzGvd2Q

===

<g> nice halo ... ;P

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 11:10:57 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>
> Thanks. Just a point ... are they wanting another King/Queen? I
> assume they would need that in order to be a Kingdom.

Some of the natives do. There are some individuals that claim they have
title to the throne. It's kind of a mess. The local joke is that all the
native Hawaiians think they are Hawaiian royalty. Even the native Hawaiians
think that's pretty funny.

===

Who knows? One of them might be right)

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 2:37:05 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>
> We already fought a civil war about states wanting to leave the
> US. I suspect the Hawaiians just want to preserve some of the old
> ways and traditions. "Progress" always keep encroaching on such
> things though. Give them an inch and they want a mile eventually.
>
> The space telescope has already blown away all the earth-bound
> ones. I do believe they are now working on an even better space
> telescope++ now. This is where the concentration should be, imo.
>
> I see pictures of "paradise Hawaii" now and feel bad how progress
> is steadily ruining what use to such a beautiful place.
> Constantly expanding population and housing, etc. Look at an
> aerial view of the Honolulu mess. It's a sad sight.
>
> In the USA, only way to stop all this crap is to turn places into
> National Parks.

We have a national park next door. It gave me a great delight to see the
park rangers wearing those hats that I had only seen in Yogi Bear cartoons
and Smokey the Bear posters. I thought "wow, they actually exist!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cKMH4AE6H8

=====

So beautiful!!! Some of those fruits, I have never seen before

You live next door to that? Lucky you)

On 2019-07-29 6:07 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 4:26:21 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:

>> What most people don't know is that the Hawaiians love to gamble
>> and they love Las Vegas. My guess is that it's some kind of Asian
>> thing.
>
> It's certainly a sign that they're unfamiliar with the laws of
> probability.
>

Gamblers have a strange way of thinking about the odds. If they are
ahead they figure they are playing with free money, so they have no
problem gambling it all away. If they are behind they figure they are
just a couple chances away from winning it all back. They also tend to
count only their winnings, and not the money the spent. For example, if
they go out with $100, win $200 5 times, and then blow all the winnings
and their original stake they won $1000 when they actually lost $100.

A lot of gamblers tend to be bad at it. I used to play a lot of
backgammon and one friend, a bad gambler, always wanted to play for
money. I am not normally a gambler, but I was always game for that
because he was such easy pickings. He was a bad player and even worse
as using the doubling cube. If he was way ahead and likely to gammon
me, a two point win, he would try to double me. I would turn it down and
concede the game at one point. I could double him at any time and count
on him accepting, so he often lost games at 2, 4, 8 or more points, but
he rarely beat me for more than one point.

On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 2:06:51 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > Gary wrote:
> > > In the USA, only way to stop all this crap is to turn places into
> > > National Parks.
>
> Note: I probably should have included State Parks too but I
> sometimes wonder if they really are permanent. I've got a huge
> (2888 acre) State Park nearby that's all prime North End property
> including a lot of waterfront on two bays. I wouldn't be
> surprised if someday, that might be all bulldozed down to make a
> huge neighborhood which will bring in so much more property tax
> for the greedy city council.
>
> https://www.first-landing-state-park.org/
>

Eventually, people will come up with an excuse to take over the land. They alway do. You might find it hard to imagine a shopping mall in the area where you loved to go camping. Having the earth's temperature go up a couple of degrees, would help make what was once unthinkable, possible. Anything would be game at that point - including national parks. The powers that be are always rezoning land to fill their requirements to make a few bucks.

If the old gods really existed, they'd keep man in line. "What, you're rezoning my temple for some condos???" Boom, zap, pow!!!

>
> >
> > We have a national park next door. It gave me a great delight to see the park rangers wearing those hats that I had only seen in Yogi Bear cartoons and Smokey the Bear posters. I thought "wow, they actually exist!"
>
> That's funny. At the very least, I only live one mile from a vast
> "wilderness" - the Atlantic Ocean. Greedy Virginia Beach can't
> mess with that.

On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 4:00:41 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>
> So beautiful!!! Some of those fruits, I have never seen before
>
> You live next door to that? Lucky you)

I don't go there very often. The place really is as quiet as seen in the video. It's a very good thing that there's not a bunch of tourists milling about the place. It's like a zoo for plants.

https://www.honolulu.gov/rep/site/dp...ocs/HooMAP.gif

On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 4:07:14 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-07-29 6:07 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 4:26:21 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >> What most people don't know is that the Hawaiians love to gamble
> >> and they love Las Vegas. My guess is that it's some kind of Asian
> >> thing.
> >
> > It's certainly a sign that they're unfamiliar with the laws of
> > probability.
> >
>
> Gamblers have a strange way of thinking about the odds. If they are
> ahead they figure they are playing with free money, so they have no
> problem gambling it all away. If they are behind they figure they are
> just a couple chances away from winning it all back. They also tend to
> count only their winnings, and not the money the spent. For example, if
> they go out with $100, win $200 5 times, and then blow all the winnings
> and their original stake they won $1000 when they actually lost $100.
>
> A lot of gamblers tend to be bad at it. I used to play a lot of
> backgammon and one friend, a bad gambler, always wanted to play for
> money. I am not normally a gambler, but I was always game for that
> because he was such easy pickings. He was a bad player and even worse
> as using the doubling cube. If he was way ahead and likely to gammon
> me, a two point win, he would try to double me. I would turn it down and
> concede the game at one point. I could double him at any time and count
> on him accepting, so he often lost games at 2, 4, 8 or more points, but
> he rarely beat me for more than one point.

My dad and step-mom will live there part of the year. Mostly, he plays the slots. He makes large bets so they get most of their meals comped. They eat casino food every day. That's pretty funny.

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On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 4:00:41 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>
> So beautiful!!! Some of those fruits, I have never seen before
>
> You live next door to that? Lucky you)

I don't go there very often. The place really is as quiet as seen in the
video. It's a very good thing that there's not a bunch of tourists milling
about the place. It's like a zoo for plants.

https://www.honolulu.gov/rep/site/dp...ocs/HooMAP.gif

====

Awww brilliant) I live in a very small village in the middle of
acres of farmland and a lot of hills around. The views are really lovely so
I am not complaining)

On 2019-07-29 2:58 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 4:07:14 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
If he was way ahead and
>> likely to gammon me, a two point win, he would try to double me. I
>> would turn it down and concede the game at one point. I could
>> double him at any time and count on him accepting, so he often lost
>> games at 2, 4, 8 or more points, but he rarely beat me for more
>> than one point.
>
> My dad and step-mom will live there part of the year. Mostly, he
> plays the slots. He makes large bets so they get most of their meals
> comped. They eat casino food every day. That's pretty funny.
>

He must be a big time loser. They comp meals, rooms and shows to people
who drop a lot of money because they want them in there. They know that
if they are near the machines or the tables they will gamble and they
will likely lose some money.

On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 11:36:55 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-07-29 2:58 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 4:07:14 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> If he was way ahead and
> >> likely to gammon me, a two point win, he would try to double me. I
> >> would turn it down and concede the game at one point. I could
> >> double him at any time and count on him accepting, so he often lost
> >> games at 2, 4, 8 or more points, but he rarely beat me for more
> >> than one point.
> >
> > My dad and step-mom will live there part of the year. Mostly, he
> > plays the slots. He makes large bets so they get most of their meals
> > comped. They eat casino food every day. That's pretty funny.
> >
>
> He must be a big time loser. They comp meals, rooms and shows to people
> who drop a lot of money because they want them in there. They know that
> if they are near the machines or the tables they will gamble and they
> will likely lose some money.

The casinos will comp people mostly on the amounts they bet. They like to comp people that make nice, healthy, bets and spend a lot of time in their establishment. Whether or not you're a big time loser is not real important. Everyone knows it's a losing proposition in the long run.

On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 8:15:55 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> The casinos will comp people mostly on the amounts they bet. They like to comp people that make nice, healthy, bets and spend a lot of time in their establishment. Whether or not you're a big time loser is not real important. Everyone knows it's a losing proposition in the long run.
>
My former boss goes gambling most every week-end and he plays poker exclusively.
He's been comped with laptops that have never been out of the box, watches, Yeti
coolers, Visa gift cards, and on and on. He gambles enough he has to fill out a
1099-G with his regular income tax return.

On 2019-07-29 10:06 p.m., wrote:
> On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 8:15:55 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> The casinos will comp people mostly on the amounts they bet. They like to comp people that make nice, healthy, bets and spend a lot of time in their establishment. Whether or not you're a big time loser is not real important. Everyone knows it's a losing proposition in the long run.
>>
> My former boss goes gambling most every week-end and he plays poker exclusively.
> He's been comped with laptops that have never been out of the box, watches, Yeti
> coolers, Visa gift cards, and on and on. He gambles enough he has to fill out a
> 1099-G with his regular income tax return.
>
IF I understand correctly, winnings are subject to tax. Losses are
deductible, but you cannot claim losses greater than your winnings.


So..... if you go in with $2000, blow it all down to you last dollar,
and then win $1000 jackpot you will be paying tax on the winnings but
can only deduct $1000, not $2000.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> The powers that be are always rezoning land to fill their requirements to make a few bucks.

Yep. Happens here all the time.


> If the old gods really existed, they'd keep man in line. "What, you're rezoning my temple for some condos???" Boom, zap, pow!!!

LOL!

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-07-29 10:06 p.m., wrote:
>> On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 8:15:55 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> The casinos will comp people mostly on the amounts they bet. They like to comp people that make nice, healthy, bets and spend a lot of time in their establishment. Whether or not you're a big time loser is not real important. Everyone knows it's a losing proposition in the long run.
>>>
>> My former boss goes gambling most every week-end and he plays poker exclusively.
>> He's been comped with laptops that have never been out of the box, watches, Yeti
>> coolers, Visa gift cards, and on and on. He gambles enough he has to fill out a
>> 1099-G with his regular income tax return.
>>
> IF I understand correctly, winnings are subject to tax. Losses are
> deductible, but you cannot claim losses greater than your winnings.
>
>
> So..... if you go in with $2000, blow it all down to you last dollar,
> and then win $1000 jackpot you will be paying tax on the winnings but
> can only deduct $1000, not $2000.

pros have to keep track per session and yes you
cannot net it out (but i'm sure a lot of people do
anyways).

now with electronic record keeping of everything
it isn't too hard to have a good record.

when i was playing on-line i had a program which
would keep track of each session for me so i could
just run the summary at the end of the year and be
done with it. kept those records for the number of
years required. glad i got out of it - gambling
is a horrible grind.


songbird

On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 9:33:07 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2019-07-29 10:06 p.m., wrote:
>
> > On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 8:15:55 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> The casinos will comp people mostly on the amounts they bet. They like to comp people that make nice, healthy, bets and spend a lot of time in their establishment. Whether or not you're a big time loser is not real important. Everyone knows it's a losing proposition in the long run.
> >>
> > My former boss goes gambling most every week-end and he plays poker exclusively.
> > He's been comped with laptops that have never been out of the box, watches, Yeti
> > coolers, Visa gift cards, and on and on. He gambles enough he has to fill out a
> > 1099-G with his regular income tax return.
> >
> IF I understand correctly, winnings are subject to tax. Losses are
> deductible, but you cannot claim losses greater than your winnings.
>
>
> So..... if you go in with $2000, blow it all down to you last dollar,
> and then win $1000 jackpot you will be paying tax on the winnings but
> can only deduct $1000, not $2000.
>
Sometimes he would divulge his winnings but as far as his tax declarations go,
every year there was a 1099-G attached to his regular filings. He did say
once his bedroom looked like a small warehouse with gifts the casinos had
given him lined against the walls.

On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 5:05:33 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> Can you talk about that a bit more in detail? First of all, what
> a very cool walk that would be all the way across. And then, as
> cool as it might be, looks a bit terrifying to walk in some parts
> even with the railings to hold on to. On some of the top
> sections, I would definitely be wondering why the hell I wanted
> to walk it.
>
> So I read why they built it long ago in the first place. Then I
> read how they went up there and fixed all the failing places but
> still now, they don't allow anyone to walk it. Up to $1K fine if
> you get caught doing that.
>
> My question is....why did they fix it up years ago but still
> won't allow anyone to use it?
>
> Here's a pic of one scary part. I would be very nervous walking
> this part even with the railings to hold on to.
> http://canyouactually.com/wp-content...u-stairs-7.jpg
>
> WTH is with that place? You live nearby? Maybe you can tell us
> more about it?

We live at the base of the mountain where the stairs are located but I can't really talk about the Haiku trail in detail because that's for young adventurer types that are not afraid of heights i.e., not me. The place was open when I was going to school. They did some repair work on the stairs in the 90's but it was illegal use it. My guess is that the land owners realized the liability was too great.

I'm hoping they don't demolish the stairs - it's a major attraction for tourists and locals alike. Just charge a fee to use the stairs and to cover any expenses for your rescue or body retrieval. Maybe charge $5 for additional funeral coverage. Yesterday we saw a helicopter buzzing the area for hikers needing assistance.

OTOH, you're probably not going to die climbing some stairs. There's a trail in the town that I grew up in that's totally freaking dangerous. The Olomana trail is another popular trail for tourists and locals. That's one scary hike!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8NxqTXwXWU

dsi1 wrote:
> There's a trail in the town that I grew up in that's totally
> freaking dangerous. The Olomana trail is another popular trail
> for tourists and locals. That's one scary hike!

Yes! Forget that one! I would do the other with the railings but
certainly not that Olomana trail. One would think that *THAT* one
would be the illegal one. oh man!

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 2:39:20 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > There's a trail in the town that I grew up in that's totally
> > freaking dangerous. The Olomana trail is another popular trail
> > for tourists and locals. That's one scary hike!
>
> Yes! Forget that one! I would do the other with the railings but
> certainly not that Olomana trail. One would think that *THAT* one
> would be the illegal one. oh man!

My daughter did those hikes. My guess is that in a few years, she'll have a hard time believing she had the gumption to do it. The Haiku stairs do have railings but your heart still has to be able to get up that hill without exploding. This guy didn't get back down alive. OTOH, he was kind of an old fart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR7w-aWu7TA