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The other day Rachael Ray said that the US is the only country in the world that celebrates this holiday. Maybe she meant that other countries do not celebrate Thanksgiving on the same day?

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Australia

In the Australian external territory of Norfolk Island, Thanksgiving is celebrated on the last Wednesday of November, similar to the pre€“World War II American observance on the last Thursday of the month. This means the Norfolk Island observance is the day before or six days after the United States' observance. The holiday was brought to the island by visiting American whaling ships.[32]
Canada
Main article: Thanksgiving (Canada)
Pumpkin pie is commonly served on and around Thanksgiving in North America.

Thanksgiving (French: l'Action de grâce), occurring on the second Monday in October, is an annual Canadian holiday to give thanks at the close of the harvest season. Although the original act of Parliament references God and the holiday is celebrated in churches, the holiday is mostly celebrated in a secular manner. Thanksgiving is a statutory holiday in all provinces in Canada, except for New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. While businesses may remain open in these provinces, the holiday is nonetheless recognized and celebrated regardless of its status.[33][34][35][36][37]
Grenada

In the West Indian island of Grenada, in the Caribbean, there is a national holiday known as Thanksgiving Day which is celebrated on October 25. Even though it bears the same name, and is celebrated at roughly the same time as the American and Canadian versions of Thanksgiving, this holiday is unrelated to either of those celebrations. Instead the holiday marks the anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion of the island in 1983, in response to the deposition and execution of the socialist Grenadian Prime Minister Maurice Bishop[38] by a military government from within his own party.
Liberia

In the West African country of Liberia, which began in 1820 with the colonization of freed African Americans (Americo-Liberians) from the United States, Thanksgiving is celebrated on the first Thursday of November.[39]
Netherlands
Pieterskerk

Many of the Pilgrims who migrated to the Plymouth Plantation had resided in the city of Leiden from 1609€“1620, and had recorded their births, marriages, and deaths at the Pieterskerk (St. Peter's church). To commemorate this, a non-denominational Thanksgiving Day service is held each year on the morning of the American Thanksgiving Day in the Pieterskerk, a Gothic church in Leiden, noting the hospitality the Pilgrims received in Leiden on their way to the New World.[40]

Besides this, Thanksgiving is observed by orthodox Protestant churches in The Netherlands on the first Wednesday in November (Dankdag [nl]). It is not a public holiday. Those who observe the day either only go to church in the evening or take the day off and go to church in the morning (and occasionally afternoon) too.
Philippines

The Philippines, while it was an American colony in the first half of the 20th century, celebrated Thanksgiving as a special public holiday on the same day as the Americans. During the Japanese occupation during World War II, both the Americans and Filipinos celebrated Thanksgiving in secret. After Japanese withdrawal in 1945, the tradition continued until 1969. It was revived by President Ferdinand Marcos, but the date was changed to be on every September 21, when martial law was imposed in the country. After Marcos' ouster in 1986, the tradition was no longer continued, due to the controversial events that occurred during his long administration.[41]

Today Thanksgiving Day is now recently being celebrated as a commercial and cultural holiday, albeit stripped of its official status. SM Supermalls led the way in the slow revival of Thanksgiving Day on the same day as in the US, as in the old days. Many malls and hotels offer special sales on this day, which is part of the long celebration of Christmas in the Philippines, which begins in September (unlike on Black Friday in the United States).
Saint Lucia

The nation of Saint Lucia celebrates Thanksgiving on the first Monday in October.[42]
United States
Main article: Thanksgiving (United States)

Thanksgiving, currently celebrated on the fourth Thursday in November by federal legislation in 1941, has been an annual tradition in the United States by presidential proclamation since 1863 and by state legislation since the Founding Fathers of the United States. Historically, Thanksgiving has traditionally been a celebration of the blessings of the year, including the harvest.[43] What Americans call the "Holiday Season" generally begins with Thanksgiving.[44] Thanksgiving is celebrated both with family and in public places with parades such as Macy's Thanksgiving Parade[45] in New York City, ABC Dunkin' Donuts Thanksgiving Day Parade[46] in Philadelphia, America's Hometown Thanksgiving Parade in Plymouth, Massachusetts, McDonald's Thanksgiving Parade in Chicago, and Bayou Classic Thanksgiving Parade[47] in New Orleans. This first day after Thanksgiving Day€”Black Friday (shopping)€”marks the start of the Christmas shopping season.[48]

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On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 8:26:30 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> The other day Rachael Ray said that the US is the only country in the world that celebrates this holiday. Maybe she meant that other countries do not celebrate Thanksgiving on the same day?


Or perhaps she's just ignorant. Many people are.

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On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 9:00:04 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 8:26:30 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> > The other day Rachael Ray said that the US is the only country in the world that celebrates this holiday. Maybe she meant that other countries do not celebrate Thanksgiving on the same day?

>
> Or perhaps she's just ignorant. Many people are.
>
> Cindy Hamilton


When I was hitchhiking through CA in 1974, I got picked up by this Chicano guy. So we start talking and he notices that I have an accent. He asks me where I'm from and I tell him Canada. Then he asked me why I spoke English. Don't they all speak Canadian there?
Had he been under the impression that we all spoke French, that would have been a tad understandable. But Canadian?
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On 2019-11-27 11:19 a.m., A Moose in Love wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 9:00:04 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton


>> Or perhaps she's just ignorant. Many people are.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton

>
> When I was hitchhiking through CA in 1974, I got picked up by this
> Chicano guy. So we start talking and he notices that I have an
> accent. He asks me where I'm from and I tell him Canada. Then he
> asked me why I spoke English. Don't they all speak Canadian there?
> Had he been under the impression that we all spoke French, that would
> have been a tad understandable. But Canadian?


When we went to California a couple years ago for my niece's wedding I
asked her about a Cuban restaurant in the city. She said that it was
very authentic... they even spoke Cuban. I said that I know a little
Spanish... would that help? She didn't think so because they spoke
Cuban. Her mother has a hard time keeping a straight face. Maybe living
in California has done that to her because she grew up in southern Ontario.



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On 2019-11-27 9:19 a.m., A Moose in Love wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 9:00:04 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 8:26:30 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>>> The other day Rachael Ray said that the US is the only country in the world that celebrates this holiday. Maybe she meant that other countries do not celebrate Thanksgiving on the same day?

>>
>> Or perhaps she's just ignorant. Many people are.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton

>
> When I was hitchhiking through CA in 1974, I got picked up by this Chicano guy. So we start talking and he notices that I have an accent. He asks me where I'm from and I tell him Canada. Then he asked me why I spoke English. Don't they all speak Canadian there?
> Had he been under the impression that we all spoke French, that would have been a tad understandable. But Canadian?
>

Some years ago, my son drove down to LA with some friends and they went
to a bar in a roughish neighbourhood. They were sitting there drinking
when one of those notorious gangs entered. He had been warned not to
look at them but he caught the eye of one of the gang members who
approached my son and threatened him. My son apologized and the gang
member immediately asked where he was from as his accent was unusual.
When he replied Canada, the whole gang surrounded my son and his friends
and bought them drinks!!!


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On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 05:59:58 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 8:26:30 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>> The other day Rachael Ray said that the US is the only country in the world that celebrates this holiday. Maybe she meant that other countries do not celebrate Thanksgiving on the same day?

>
>Or perhaps she's just ignorant. Many people are.
>
>Cindy Hamilton


Strictly speaking she is accurate, you are celebrating the Pilgrim
Fathers arriving, the rest of us don't.
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On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 12:48:20 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 05:59:58 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 8:26:30 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> >> The other day Rachael Ray said that the US is the only country in the world that celebrates this holiday. Maybe she meant that other countries do not celebrate Thanksgiving on the same day?

> >
> >Or perhaps she's just ignorant. Many people are.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton

>
> Strictly speaking she is accurate, you are celebrating the Pilgrim
> Fathers arriving, the rest of us don't.


The pilgrims were added in later. Here's the original proclamation:

Washington, D.C.
October 3, 1863

By the President of the United States of America.

A Proclamation.

The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequalled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the United States the Eighty-eighth.

By the President: Abraham Lincoln

William H. Seward,
Secretary of State
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On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 7:54:25 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 12:48:20 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 05:59:58 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 8:26:30 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> > >> The other day Rachael Ray said that the US is the only country in the world that celebrates this holiday. Maybe she meant that other countries do not celebrate Thanksgiving on the same day?
> > >
> > >Or perhaps she's just ignorant. Many people are.
> > >
> > >Cindy Hamilton

> >
> > Strictly speaking she is accurate, you are celebrating the Pilgrim
> > Fathers arriving, the rest of us don't.

>
> The pilgrims were added in later. Here's the original proclamation:
>
> Washington, D.C.
> October 3, 1863
>
> By the President of the United States of America.
>
> A Proclamation.
>
> The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequalled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.
>
> In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.
>
> Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the United States the Eighty-eighth.
>
> By the President: Abraham Lincoln
>
> William H. Seward,
> Secretary of State


The president wanted a day to praise God and be thankful in the middle of the civil war. As a practical matter, it was a proclamation only to the union states. My guess is that the confederate states wanted to do the exact opposite of what Lincoln wanted - a day for general anger and resentment.

This is highly appropriate to US at this point in history. We have the US in the middle of a cold civil war and an angry and resentful president bent on doing the exact opposite of the previous president. Yay - it's all so very perfect!
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> > wrote:
>
> >On 2019-11-27 12:47 p.m., wrote:
> >> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 05:59:58 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

> >
> >>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 8:26:30 AM UTC-5, A Moose in
> >>> Love wrote:
> >>>> The other day Rachael Ray said that the US is the only country in
> >>>> the world that celebrates this holiday. Maybe she meant that
> >>>> other countries do not celebrate Thanksgiving on the same day?
> >>>
> >>> Or perhaps she's just ignorant. Many people are.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> Strictly speaking she is accurate, you are celebrating the Pilgrim
> >> Fathers arriving, the rest of us don't.

> >
> >Having grown up in Canada I can tell you that the common understanding
> >about our Thanksgiving is that it is based on the Pilgrim fathers. That
> >may be because the initial influx of settlers in this country were
> >Loyalists coming here are refugees from the US. It may also be that most
> >of us lived close to the American border so we were exposed to American
> >culture.

>
> It must be, no record here of PF's thank goodness! It's aligned to
> the protestant church festival of Harvest Home and giving thanks for
> the supplies from it.


Harvest Home is another one of those celebrations that the Church
got from the pagans.

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On 11/27/2019 8:26 AM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> The other day Rachael Ray said that the US is the only country in the world that celebrates this holiday. Maybe she meant that other countries do not celebrate Thanksgiving on the same day?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving
>


Many of us grew up ignorant of what other counties do for a Thanksgiving
day. Our history is the dinner with Pilgrims and Indians. It was part
of American History and traditions. Others were not taught.

Today, we don't have Indians any more either, but Indigenous People.
While other countries do have a Thanksgiving day, not have the same
beginnings as in the US.
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On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 05:26:26 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love
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>The other day Rachael Ray said that the US is the only country in the world that celebrates this holiday. Maybe she meant that other countries do not celebrate Thanksgiving on the same day?
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving
>

clipped for brevity
>
>Thanksgiving, currently celebrated on the fourth Thursday in November by federal legislation in 1941, has been an annual tradition in the United States by presidential proclamation since 1863 and by state legislation since the Founding Fathers of the United States. Historically, Thanksgiving has traditionally been a celebration of the blessings of the year, including the harvest.[43] What Americans call the "Holiday Season" generally begins with Thanksgiving.[44] Thanksgiving is celebrated both with family and in public places with parades such as Macy's Thanksgiving Parade[45] in New York City, ABC Dunkin' Donuts Thanksgiving Day Parade[46] in Philadelphia, America's Hometown Thanksgiving Parade in Plymouth, Massachusetts, McDonald's Thanksgiving Parade in Chicago, and Bayou Classic Thanksgiving Parade[47] in New Orleans. This first day after Thanksgiving Day—Black Friday (shopping)—marks the start of the Christmas shopping season.[48]
>
>)


All I know is Canada celebrates our Thanksgiving as in the old church
Harvest Home Sunday, as is also the case in many countries, the US
celebrates the Pilgrim Fathers etc.
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