On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:33:53 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>
> "itsjoan wrote:
>
> > I'm not an oyster fan and probably never will be but oysters in dressing
> > truly sounds disgusting to me. I know a lot of people make this but I'm
> > afraid I'd have to refuse my portion, politely though, if I were at their
> > table.
>
I'm guessing you missed the statement above "I'm not an oyster fan and
probably never will be." I'm glad we've got that cleared up. (eye roll)
>
> Rather than refuse to taste, you should try "just one bite."
> It might surprise you.
>
I d o n' t l i k e t h e t a s t e o f o y s t e r s. Why would I
try something I abhor for "just one bite"??? I don't like chittlin's or
poke sallet either so I'm not going for "just one bite" of those.
>
> As my daughter grew up, and I made something new, she would
> often refuse just because it didn't sound good to her.
>
> Interestingly, on average, she ended up actually liking what
> she tried about 6-7 times out of 10.
>
Good for her; rah, rah, rah.

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 14:05:34 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:33:53 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>>
>> "itsjoan wrote:
>>
>> > I'm not an oyster fan and probably never will be but oysters in dressing
>> > truly sounds disgusting to me. I know a lot of people make this but I'm
>> > afraid I'd have to refuse my portion, politely though, if I were at their
>> > table.
>>
>I'm guessing you missed the statement above "I'm not an oyster fan and
>probably never will be." I'm glad we've got that cleared up. (eye roll)
>>
>> Rather than refuse to taste, you should try "just one bite."
>> It might surprise you.
>>
>I d o n' t l i k e t h e t a s t e o f o y s t e r s. Why would I
>try something I abhor for "just one bite"??? I don't like chittlin's or
>poke sallet either so I'm not going for "just one bite" of those.
>>
>> As my daughter grew up, and I made something new, she would
>> often refuse just because it didn't sound good to her.
>>
>> Interestingly, on average, she ended up actually liking what
>> she tried about 6-7 times out of 10.
>>
>Good for her; rah, rah, rah.

So are you giving oysters another chance now?

On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 9:47:43 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 12/6/2019 9:07 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > None of us here is a child. After eating and tasting for 62 years,
> > I can pretty much tell from the ingredients whether I'll like
> > something.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Exactly. I think most of us grew up with the "just one bite" rule.
> We're adults now, we can pretty much guess what we still do or don't
> like. An example: many people here dislike brussels sprouts. Trying
> just one bite all these years later likely won't change their minds, nor
> do I expect it to.
>
> Jill
>
You BOTH nailed it and thank you! I don't know how many times for years, and
years, and years I've tried Brussel sprouts cooked about every way on earth
they can be prepared. They still come off as bitter little cabbages each
time I'm stupid enough to try them once again.

On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 4:09:28 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>
> So are you giving oysters another chance now?
>
I wish I had an oyster shell to clunk you up side the head with.
THWAP!

On 2019-12-06 2:30 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 8:56:03 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:36:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 12:01:37 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 3:32:47 AM UTC-10, Gary
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>> Agreed. Coconut doesn't belong on pancakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only on your plate since you're not willing to even try
>>>>>> it. You should know better than to say that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm always willing to try something new, even odd, once.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was not aware that coconut syrup was unheard of in the
>>>>> states. Nor did I know that coconut doesn't belong on
>>>>> pancakes. People on the mainland have so many food rules.
>>>>
>>>> You have rules, too. I can't count how many times you've been
>>>> gobsmacked by things that we mainlanders eat.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I try to avoid commenting on the foods of others so you're right
>>> that you can't count the times I've been gobsmacked. How does one
>>> count zero? My only comments have mostly been that mainland food
>>> tends to be bland and mushy. I don't have any problem with that.
>>
>> My God, man! Have you eaten any mainland food in the last 30 years
>> that wasn't prepared by someone 80 years old?
>>
>> Bland and mushy my ass.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> I think you're being a little too sensitive about this i.e., I refuse
> to validate your feelings.
>

Oh bullshit. It's not about her being sensitive. It's about you asinine
generalization that is terribly inaccurate.

On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:36:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 12:01:37 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 3:32:47 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > > > jmcquown wrote:
> > > > > Agreed. Coconut doesn't belong on pancakes.
> > > >
> > > > Only on your plate since you're not willing to even try it.
> > > > You should know better than to say that.
> > > >
> > > > I'm always willing to try something new, even odd, once.
> > >
> > > I was not aware that coconut syrup was unheard of in the states. Nor did I know that coconut doesn't belong on pancakes. People on the mainland have so many food rules.
> >
> > You have rules, too. I can't count how many times you've been gobsmacked
> > by things that we mainlanders eat.
> >
>
> I try to avoid commenting on the foods of others so you're right that you can't count the times I've been gobsmacked. How does one count zero? My only comments have mostly been that mainland food tends to be bland and mushy.. I don't have any problem with that.

The cuisine mainland US(and I'll include Canada here)is not what you think. People were raised on food that their ancestors ate. Our cuisine (DonauSchwaben food)was varied. Sometimes maybe it was bland, but most of the time it wasn't.
Ditto for the French, Italians, Brits, Indians, Malaysians etc. I like mashed potatoes. They could be considered bland, but once they are amped up with a good gravy, WOW!

On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 4:09:28 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>
> So are you giving oysters another chance now?
>
Nooooooooooooooooooo.

On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 11:45:43 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/6/2019 1:55 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:36:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 12:01:37 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 3:32:47 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> >>>>> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>>>> Agreed. Coconut doesn't belong on pancakes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Only on your plate since you're not willing to even try it.
> >>>>> You should know better than to say that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm always willing to try something new, even odd, once.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was not aware that coconut syrup was unheard of in the states. Nor did I know that coconut doesn't belong on pancakes. People on the mainland have so many food rules.
> >>>
> >>> You have rules, too. I can't count how many times you've been gobsmacked
> >>> by things that we mainlanders eat.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I try to avoid commenting on the foods of others so you're right that you can't count the times I've been gobsmacked. How does one count zero? My only comments have mostly been that mainland food tends to be bland and mushy. I don't have any problem with that.
> >
> > My God, man! Have you eaten any mainland food in the last 30 years that
> > wasn't prepared by someone 80 years old?
> >
> > Bland and mushy my ass.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Take into account he orders rice at McDonald's and was surprised a
> "white woman" knows what shoyu is... as if you have to live in Hawaii
> (or be Japanese) to have heard of it.
>
> Jill

That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about. If the guy is from Hawaii, he's say "alright!", bump fists, and give your the secret Hawaiian handshake. Yoose must live in some isolated white enclave where people walk around in a trance of fantasy. Get real man!

On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 12:19:29 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-12-06 2:30 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 8:56:03 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
> >> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:36:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 12:01:37 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 3:32:47 AM UTC-10, Gary
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>>>>> Agreed. Coconut doesn't belong on pancakes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Only on your plate since you're not willing to even try
> >>>>>> it. You should know better than to say that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm always willing to try something new, even odd, once.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was not aware that coconut syrup was unheard of in the
> >>>>> states. Nor did I know that coconut doesn't belong on
> >>>>> pancakes. People on the mainland have so many food rules.
> >>>>
> >>>> You have rules, too. I can't count how many times you've been
> >>>> gobsmacked by things that we mainlanders eat.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I try to avoid commenting on the foods of others so you're right
> >>> that you can't count the times I've been gobsmacked. How does one
> >>> count zero? My only comments have mostly been that mainland food
> >>> tends to be bland and mushy. I don't have any problem with that.
> >>
> >> My God, man! Have you eaten any mainland food in the last 30 years
> >> that wasn't prepared by someone 80 years old?
> >>
> >> Bland and mushy my ass.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > I think you're being a little too sensitive about this i.e., I refuse
> > to validate your feelings.
> >
>
> Oh bullshit. It's not about her being sensitive. It's about you asinine
> generalization that is terribly inaccurate.

Now you're being too sensitive. I refuse to validate your feelings. Lighten up man!

On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 12:21:02 PM UTC-10, A Moose in Love wrote:
> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:36:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 12:01:37 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 3:32:47 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > > > > jmcquown wrote:
> > > > > > Agreed. Coconut doesn't belong on pancakes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Only on your plate since you're not willing to even try it.
> > > > > You should know better than to say that.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm always willing to try something new, even odd, once.
> > > >
> > > > I was not aware that coconut syrup was unheard of in the states. Nor did I know that coconut doesn't belong on pancakes. People on the mainland have so many food rules.
> > >
> > > You have rules, too. I can't count how many times you've been gobsmacked
> > > by things that we mainlanders eat.
> > >
> >
> > I try to avoid commenting on the foods of others so you're right that you can't count the times I've been gobsmacked. How does one count zero? My only comments have mostly been that mainland food tends to be bland and mushy. I don't have any problem with that.
>
> The cuisine mainland US(and I'll include Canada here)is not what you think. People were raised on food that their ancestors ate. Our cuisine (DonauSchwaben food)was varied. Sometimes maybe it was bland, but most of the time it wasn't.
> Ditto for the French, Italians, Brits, Indians, Malaysians etc. I like mashed potatoes. They could be considered bland, but once they are amped up with a good gravy, WOW!

Let me assure you that my posts are firmly tongue-in-cheek. I just said that because I'm a bad person that gets pleasure in upsetting people and because these mugs have a problem with anger management and go bananas over the stupidest of things.

OTOH, I'm not going to be taking the blame if people get upset. Have you seen the pictures of the food these guys post? I can hardly believe my eyes. A lot of it looks like food from the sixties. I won't say anything about it because what other people eat is their business and I like to keep out of other people's business.

Have you seen the comments these mugs post? I can hardly believe the idiocy they write. It is as if they've never seen coconut syrup or can't imagine coconut pancakes. One ignorant hillbilly thinks that blueberry pancakes are made with pineapple. If folks are going to act like incredulous fools they're going to get treated like the morons that they are.

Of course, I'm not referring to you because you don't make stupid, nasty, remarks about the foods from other places. People that do that haven't been raised properly or have mental issues. My guess is that it's both.

On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 5:21:02 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:36:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 12:01:37 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 3:32:47 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > > > > jmcquown wrote:
> > > > > > Agreed. Coconut doesn't belong on pancakes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Only on your plate since you're not willing to even try it.
> > > > > You should know better than to say that.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm always willing to try something new, even odd, once.
> > > >
> > > > I was not aware that coconut syrup was unheard of in the states. Nor did I know that coconut doesn't belong on pancakes. People on the mainland have so many food rules.
> > >
> > > You have rules, too. I can't count how many times you've been gobsmacked
> > > by things that we mainlanders eat.
> > >
> >
> > I try to avoid commenting on the foods of others so you're right that you can't count the times I've been gobsmacked. How does one count zero? My only comments have mostly been that mainland food tends to be bland and mushy. I don't have any problem with that.
>
> The cuisine mainland US(and I'll include Canada here)is not what you think. People were raised on food that their ancestors ate. Our cuisine (DonauSchwaben food)was varied. Sometimes maybe it was bland, but most of the time it wasn't.
> Ditto for the French, Italians, Brits, Indians, Malaysians etc. I like mashed potatoes. They could be considered bland, but once they are amped up with a good gravy, WOW!

Not only that, but many of us eat many more cuisines than we grew up with.
Because of "melting pot", they're all American food now.

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:45:06 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:

> That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about. If the guy is from Hawaii, he's say "alright!", bump fists, and give your the secret Hawaiian handshake. Yoose must live in some isolated white enclave where people walk around in a trance of fantasy. Get real man!

I'll admit that most... let's say "Euro-centric"... restaurants here don't
serve rice or shoyu. There's little demand for it.

I think Euro-centric covers everything from McDonald's to the diner to
the fancy French restaurant, doesn't it?

If I'm at an East Asian restaurant I probably could say "shoyu" and be
understood even by the Mexican itamae making sushi or the Anglo
waitress at the strip-mall Chinese joint.

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 8:11:38 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:

> Let me assure you that my posts are firmly tongue-in-cheek.

We can't tell that. There's no body language or facial expression to
convey "tongue-in-cheek". All we have are your written words. Either
we believe your words as written or we assume you're lying in some fashion.

> I just said that because I'm a bad person that gets pleasure in upsetting people and because these mugs have a problem with anger management and go bananas over the stupidest of things.
>
> OTOH, I'm not going to be taking the blame if people get upset. Have you seen the pictures of the food these guys post? I can hardly believe my eyes.. A lot of it looks like food from the sixties. I won't say anything about it because what other people eat is their business and I like to keep out of other people's business.

Most of the people who post here were adults in the sixties. What do you
expect from them?

> Have you seen the comments these mugs post? I can hardly believe the idiocy they write. It is as if they've never seen coconut syrup

No, we've never seen coconut syrup. It's not sold in every grocery store
on the mainland.

or can't imagine coconut pancakes.

I can imagine coconut pancakes. I don't like coconut so all the idea
inspires is "yuck".

> One ignorant hillbilly thinks that blueberry pancakes are made with pineapple.

If you can't tell that was a tongue-in-cheek joke, then how can you expect
us to recognize your use of that rhetorical gambit?

If folks are going to act like incredulous fools they're going to get treated like the morons that they are.
>
> Of course, I'm not referring to you because you don't make stupid, nasty, remarks about the foods from other places. People that do that haven't been raised properly or have mental issues. My guess is that it's both.

Usenet is pretty much made up of stupid, nasty remarks. If you can't stand
the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > Rather than refuse to taste, you should try "just one bite."
> > It might surprise you.
>
> None of us here is a child. After eating and tasting for 62 years,
> I can pretty much tell from the ingredients whether I'll like
> something.

My point being that after many years, tastes can change. What
you didn't like many years ago, you might like now.
Also different recipes make a difference.

When I was very young, I hated crabcakes but I sure do love
them now. Probably just a bad recipe back then.

This is why, whenever I try a new food, I'll taste the basic
ingredient plain on it's own first. If I don't like that,
I won't try to disguise it with other flavorings.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> I'll make them if there happens to be some mac and cheese in the fridge.

Speaking of mac&cheese. There is a very tasty and cheap frozen
mac&cheese dinner available. I think it's Michelina's brand.
8oz box that includes very nicely spiced ground beef bits.
The small beef addition takes the M&C over the top.

Many here will be horrified at the thought of eating such a
thing but I don't care. It's their loss.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 03:11:25 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 5:21:02 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:

>> > I try to avoid commenting on the foods of others so you're right that you can't count the times I've been gobsmacked. How does one count zero? My only comments have mostly been that mainland food tends to be bland and mushy. I don't have any problem with that.
>>
>> The cuisine mainland US(and I'll include Canada here)is not what you think. People were raised on food that their ancestors ate. Our cuisine (DonauSchwaben food)was varied. Sometimes maybe it was bland, but most of the time it wasn't.
>> Ditto for the French, Italians, Brits, Indians, Malaysians etc. I like mashed potatoes. They could be considered bland, but once they are amped up with a good gravy, WOW!
>
>Not only that, but many of us eat many more cuisines than we grew up with.
>Because of "melting pot", they're all American food now.

Gary and Joan are average Americans. They never cook any "ethnic"
foods.

On 2019-12-07 8:18 a.m., Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> I'll make them if there happens to be some mac and cheese in the fridge.
>
> Speaking of mac&cheese. There is a very tasty and cheap frozen
> mac&cheese dinner available. I think it's Michelina's brand.
> 8oz box that includes very nicely spiced ground beef bits.
> The small beef addition takes the M&C over the top.
>
> Many here will be horrified at the thought of eating such a
> thing but I don't care. It's their loss.


If someone actually likes McDs food I am sure they would have no
problems with frozen macaroni and cheese.

On 12/7/2019 8:18 AM, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> I'll make them if there happens to be some mac and cheese in the fridge.
>
> Speaking of mac&cheese. There is a very tasty and cheap frozen
> mac&cheese dinner available. I think it's Michelina's brand.
> 8oz box that includes very nicely spiced ground beef bits.
> The small beef addition takes the M&C over the top.
>
> Many here will be horrified at the thought of eating such a
> thing but I don't care. It's their loss.
>
I have absolutely nothing against buying frozen mac & cheese.
Stouffer's brand is good. I've tried but not been impressed by the
Michelina's brand so I haven't looked for the specific type you're
referring to (with spiced ground beef bits). My mother used to make mac
& cheese with ground beef seasoned with taco seasoning.

Jill

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" wrote:
> > Jiffy? Too darn sweet!
>
> Agree.

Not surprising at all that the 2 RCF princesses agree about
not liking some recipe. lol

dsi1 wrote:
>
> jmcquown wrote:
> > Take into account he orders rice at McDonald's and was surprised a
> > "white woman" knows what shoyu is... as if you have to live in Hawaii
> > (or be Japanese) to have heard of it.
> >
> > Jill
>
> That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about.

Pay no attention to Jill. She's just trying to sound worldly.

I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 1:16:20 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:45:06 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about. If the guy is from Hawaii, he's say "alright!", bump fists, and give your the secret Hawaiian handshake. Yoose must live in some isolated white enclave where people walk around in a trance of fantasy. Get real man!
>
> I'll admit that most... let's say "Euro-centric"... restaurants here don't
> serve rice or shoyu. There's little demand for it.
>
> I think Euro-centric covers everything from McDonald's to the diner to
> the fancy French restaurant, doesn't it?
>
> If I'm at an East Asian restaurant I probably could say "shoyu" and be
> understood even by the Mexican itamae making sushi or the Anglo
> waitress at the strip-mall Chinese joint.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

"Shoyu" is a term used for Japanese soy sauce. It's a term used in Japan and Hawaii. I don't believe that it's commonly used on the mainland. On this rock, it's a culturally important condiment that people are raised on and will typically be found on the table in restaurants.

The most popular shoyu in Hawaii is Aloha Shoyu. It's mild taste makes it especially suitable for a table sauce. On the mainland, Aloha Shoyu is mostly put down by the foodies as being low class and crap. Most of these experts saying this have never tasted Aloha Shoyu. Mostly, they're simply repeating articles written by people who have never tasted the stuff either. That's okay with me. I'll go to the mainland and use whatever soy sauce they got going over there. When I get back to Hawaii, I get to use the real stuff.

On 12/7/2019 12:21 PM, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> Take into account he orders rice at McDonald's and was surprised a
>>> "white woman" knows what shoyu is... as if you have to live in Hawaii
>>> (or be Japanese) to have heard of it.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about.
>
> Pay no attention to Jill. She's just trying to sound worldly.
>
> I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
> about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
> would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.
>

Never heard of it until my daughter lived in Hawaii. Her husband she
met there grew up using the term since he is Asian.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2019-12-07 8:18 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> I'll make them if there happens to be some mac and cheese in the fridge.
> >
> > Speaking of mac&cheese. There is a very tasty and cheap frozen
> > mac&cheese dinner available. I think it's Michelina's brand.
> > 8oz box that includes very nicely spiced ground beef bits.
> > The small beef addition takes the M&C over the top.
> >
> > Many here will be horrified at the thought of eating such a
> > thing but I don't care. It's their loss.
>
> If someone actually likes McDs food I am sure they would have no
> problems with frozen macaroni and cheese.

Dave Smith finally nailing it.

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 1:22:25 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 8:11:38 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > Let me assure you that my posts are firmly tongue-in-cheek.
>
> We can't tell that. There's no body language or facial expression to
> convey "tongue-in-cheek". All we have are your written words. Either
> we believe your words as written or we assume you're lying in some fashion.

On 12/7/2019 12:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> "Shoyu" is a term used for Japanese soy sauce. It's a term used in Japan and Hawaii. I don't believe that it's commonly used on the mainland. On this rock, it's a culturally important condiment that people are raised on and will typically be found on the table in restaurants.
>
> The most popular shoyu in Hawaii is Aloha Shoyu. It's mild taste makes it especially suitable for a table sauce. On the mainland, Aloha Shoyu is mostly put down by the foodies as being low class and crap. Most of these experts saying this have never tasted Aloha Shoyu. Mostly, they're simply repeating articles written by people who have never tasted the stuff either. That's okay with me. I'll go to the mainland and use whatever soy sauce they got going over there. When I get back to Hawaii, I get to use the real stuff.
>

Silver Swan is the best brand I've been able to find. Never saw Aloha
but will try it if I see it or I can get it from Amazon.

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 7:21:01 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > jmcquown wrote:
> > > Take into account he orders rice at McDonald's and was surprised a
> > > "white woman" knows what shoyu is... as if you have to live in Hawaii
> > > (or be Japanese) to have heard of it.
> > >
> > > Jill
> >
> > That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about.
>
> Pay no attention to Jill. She's just trying to sound worldly.
>
> I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
> about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
> would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.

Contrary to a theory put forth by a person with no clue, us guys using the word "shoyu" does not make the people on this rock "speshial." Mostly it means that there were a lot of people from Japan that lived here who gifted us that word. We're just borrowing it for a little while.

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/7/2019 12:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > "Shoyu" is a term used for Japanese soy sauce. It's a term used in Japan and Hawaii. I don't believe that it's commonly used on the mainland. On this rock, it's a culturally important condiment that people are raised on and will typically be found on the table in restaurants.
> >
> > The most popular shoyu in Hawaii is Aloha Shoyu. It's mild taste makes it especially suitable for a table sauce. On the mainland, Aloha Shoyu is mostly put down by the foodies as being low class and crap. Most of these experts saying this have never tasted Aloha Shoyu. Mostly, they're simply repeating articles written by people who have never tasted the stuff either. That's okay with me. I'll go to the mainland and use whatever soy sauce they got going over there. When I get back to Hawaii, I get to use the real stuff.
> >
>
> Silver Swan is the best brand I've been able to find. Never saw Aloha
> but will try it if I see it or I can get it from Amazon.

Silver Swan to me, has a very earthy taste that takes some getting used to. I don't typically have it in stock but it works great when making Filipino adobo. I'll have to pick some up because I just love adobo. The Filipinos have a soy sauce that's uniquely their own.

On 12/7/2019 12:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 7:21:01 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Take into account he orders rice at McDonald's and was surprised a
>>>> "white woman" knows what shoyu is... as if you have to live in Hawaii
>>>> (or be Japanese) to have heard of it.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about.
>>
>> Pay no attention to Jill. She's just trying to sound worldly.
>>
>> I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
>> about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
>> would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.
>
> Contrary to a theory put forth by a person with no clue, us guys using the word "shoyu" does not make the people on this rock "speshial." Mostly it means that there were a lot of people from Japan that lived here who gifted us that word. We're just borrowing it for a little while.
>

So if borrowed, you will be giving it back? Is there a target date?

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 8:21:03 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/7/2019 12:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 7:21:01 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >>>
> >>> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>> Take into account he orders rice at McDonald's and was surprised a
> >>>> "white woman" knows what shoyu is... as if you have to live in Hawaii
> >>>> (or be Japanese) to have heard of it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jill
> >>>
> >>> That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about.
> >>
> >> Pay no attention to Jill. She's just trying to sound worldly.
> >>
> >> I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
> >> about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
> >> would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.
> >
> > Contrary to a theory put forth by a person with no clue, us guys using the word "shoyu" does not make the people on this rock "speshial." Mostly it means that there were a lot of people from Japan that lived here who gifted us that word. We're just borrowing it for a little while.
> >
>
> So if borrowed, you will be giving it back? Is there a target date?

My guess is that in around 20 years, "shoyu" will be completely returned back to Japan. The kids these days have no problem with saying "soy sauce." If you look at the Aloha Shoyu bottle it says "Aloha Soy Sauce." If I'm on the mainland, I'd call it soy sauce. My guess is that the future Hawaiians are going to call it "soy sauce."

Speaking of Japan, today is Dec. 7th. Tora! Tora! Tora!

On 2019-12-07 1:42 p.m., dsi1 wrote:

> My guess is that in around 20 years, "shoyu" will be completely
> returned back to Japan. The kids these days have no problem with
> saying "soy sauce." If you look at the Aloha Shoyu bottle it says
> "Aloha Soy Sauce." If I'm on the mainland, I'd call it soy sauce. My
> guess is that the future Hawaiians are going to call it "soy sauce."
>

It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and in this
age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya because it might
be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or perhaps as mocking a
Japanese accent.


> Speaking of Japan, today is Dec. 7th. Tora! Tora! Tora!

Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side show to
their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and Mongolia and
tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel and oil.
They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
Pacific fleet. So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the countdown to
Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 12:47:08 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/7/2019 12:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>
>> "Shoyu" is a term used for Japanese soy sauce. It's a term used in Japan and Hawaii. I don't believe that it's commonly used on the mainland. On this rock, it's a culturally important condiment that people are raised on and will typically be found on the table in restaurants.
>>
>> The most popular shoyu in Hawaii is Aloha Shoyu. It's mild taste makes it especially suitable for a table sauce. On the mainland, Aloha Shoyu is mostly put down by the foodies as being low class and crap. Most of these experts saying this have never tasted Aloha Shoyu. Mostly, they're simply repeating articles written by people who have never tasted the stuff either. That's okay with me. I'll go to the mainland and use whatever soy sauce they got going over there. When I get back to Hawaii, I get to use the real stuff.
>>
>
>Silver Swan is the best brand I've been able to find. Never saw Aloha
>but will try it if I see it or I can get it from Amazon.

Aloha is crap. You might like it.

On Sat, 07 Dec 2019 12:21:48 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> > Take into account he orders rice at McDonald's and was surprised a
>> > "white woman" knows what shoyu is... as if you have to live in Hawaii
>> > (or be Japanese) to have heard of it.
>> >
>> > Jill
>>
>> That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about.
>
>Pay no attention to Jill. She's just trying to sound worldly.
>
>I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
>about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
>would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.

Somehow I wouldn't go to McDonalds if I wanted soy sauce. I guess I'm
more Asian at heart than dsi1.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 10:42:05 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 8:21:03 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 12/7/2019 12:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 7:21:01 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> >> dsi1 wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about.
>> >>
>> >> Pay no attention to Jill. She's just trying to sound worldly.
>> >>
>> >> I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
>> >> about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
>> >> would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.
>> >
>> > Contrary to a theory put forth by a person with no clue, us guys using the word "shoyu" does not make the people on this rock "speshial." Mostly it means that there were a lot of people from Japan that lived here who gifted us that word. We're just borrowing it for a little while.
>> >
>>
>> So if borrowed, you will be giving it back? Is there a target date?
>
>My guess is that in around 20 years, "shoyu" will be completely returned back to Japan. The kids these days have no problem with saying "soy sauce." If you look at the Aloha Shoyu bottle it says "Aloha Soy Sauce." If I'm on the mainland, I'd call it soy sauce. My guess is that the future Hawaiians are going to call it "soy sauce."

If they're clued in, they'll call it chemically produced soy sauce
that may contain carcinogens.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 14:15:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-12-07 1:42 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>
>> Speaking of Japan, today is Dec. 7th. Tora! Tora! Tora!
>
>Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side show to
>their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
>hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and Mongolia and
>tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel and oil.
>They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
>could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
>Pacific fleet. So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the countdown to
>Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Can you just stick to boring posts and not foray into disgusting ones?
Those bombs on civilian populations were the 2nd biggest atrocity of
WW2, after the Holocaust.

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-12-07 1:42 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>
> > My guess is that in around 20 years, "shoyu" will be completely
> > returned back to Japan. The kids these days have no problem with
> > saying "soy sauce." If you look at the Aloha Shoyu bottle it says
> > "Aloha Soy Sauce." If I'm on the mainland, I'd call it soy sauce. My
> > guess is that the future Hawaiians are going to call it "soy sauce."
> >
>
> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and in this
> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya because it might
> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or perhaps as mocking a
> Japanese accent.
>
>
> > Speaking of Japan, today is Dec. 7th. Tora! Tora! Tora!
>
> Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side show to
> their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
> hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and Mongolia and
> tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel and oil.
> They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
> could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
> Pacific fleet. So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the countdown to
> Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Oddly enough, the attack on Pearl Harbor was not the first attack on American soil. It was the bombing and strafing of the Naval Air Station Kaneohe Bay that occurred 8 minutes before the first wave of attacks on Pearl. 20 people were killed there but most folks don't know about it. Today, instead of death and destruction, we have peace and joy; the Kaneohe Christmas parade is happening across the bay from the Kaneohe base.

Gary wrote:

> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > jmcquown wrote:
> > > Take into account he orders rice at McDonald's and was surprised a
> > > "white woman" knows what shoyu is... as if you have to live in Hawaii
> > > (or be Japanese) to have heard of it.
> > >
> > > Jill
> >
> > That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about.
>
> Pay no attention to Jill. She's just trying to sound worldly.


LOL, Gary...

;-)


> I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
> about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
> would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.


Same here, I very vaguely knew about it, but had never used it. I've ordered it from Amazon several times now...

--
Best
Greg

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:20:47 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > "jmcquown" wrote:
> > > Jiffy? Too darn sweet!
> >
> > Agree.
>
> Not surprising at all that the 2 RCF princesses agree about
> not liking some recipe. lol

Jiffy products are too sweet for me, too.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:21:01 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > jmcquown wrote:
> > > Take into account he orders rice at McDonald's and was surprised a
> > > "white woman" knows what shoyu is... as if you have to live in Hawaii
> > > (or be Japanese) to have heard of it.
> > >
> > > Jill
> >
> > That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about.
>
> Pay no attention to Jill. She's just trying to sound worldly.
>
> I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
> about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
> would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.

You're not the most cosmopolitan foodie here. I heard the term
"shoyu" years ago.

Cindy Hamilton

Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 14:15:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2019-12-07 1:42 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of Japan, today is Dec. 7th. Tora! Tora! Tora!
>>
>> Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side show to
>> their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
>> hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and Mongolia and
>> tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel and oil.
>> They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
>> could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
>> Pacific fleet. So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the countdown to
>> Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>
> Can you just stick to boring posts and not foray into disgusting ones?
> Those bombs on civilian populations were the 2nd biggest atrocity of
> WW2, after the Holocaust.
>

Hows about a nice ingredient list druce?

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 10:09:29 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:21:01 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > jmcquown wrote:
> > > > Take into account he orders rice at McDonald's and was surprised a
> > > > "white woman" knows what shoyu is... as if you have to live in Hawaii
> > > > (or be Japanese) to have heard of it.
> > > >
> > > > Jill
> > >
> > > That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about.
> >
> > Pay no attention to Jill. She's just trying to sound worldly.
> >
> > I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
> > about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
> > would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.
>
> You're not the most cosmopolitan foodie here. I heard the term
> "shoyu" years ago.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I heard the term over 60 years ago. Looks like I win. You don't try to school me on Aloha Shoyu and I won't give you tips on driving in the snow.