On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 12:09:25 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:21:01 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>> >
>> > jmcquown wrote:
>> > > Take into account he orders rice at McDonald's and was surprised a
>> > > "white woman" knows what shoyu is... as if you have to live in Hawaii
>> > > (or be Japanese) to have heard of it.
>> > >
>> > > Jill
>> >
>> > That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about.
>>
>> Pay no attention to Jill. She's just trying to sound worldly.
>>
>> I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
>> about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
>> would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.
>
>You're not the most cosmopolitan foodie here. I heard the term
>"shoyu" years ago.

Gary finds sushi wildly exotic. He prefers mashed potatoes and peas.

On 12/7/2019 3:07 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:20:47 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" wrote:
>>>> Jiffy? Too darn sweet!
>>>
>>> Agree.
>>
>> Not surprising at all that the 2 RCF princesses agree about
>> not liking some recipe. lol
>
> Jiffy products are too sweet for me, too.
>
And me.

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 2:53:41 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 14:15:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2019-12-07 1:42 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >> Speaking of Japan, today is Dec. 7th. Tora! Tora! Tora!
> >
> >Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side show to
> >their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
> >hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and Mongolia and
> >tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel and oil.
> >They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
> >could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
> >Pacific fleet. So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the countdown to
> >Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>
> Can you just stick to boring posts and not foray into disgusting ones?
> Those bombs on civilian populations were the 2nd biggest atrocity of
> WW2, after the Holocaust.

Some people think of war as paperwork. They are unable to comprehend what happens to people caught up in the war. My Dad spent much of his time in combat. And what he said about it wasn't pretty. Artillery barrages, with heads flying, limbs flying, the terror, Stalin's Organ the wonderful rocket launcher. He also said that human life has no meaning whatsoever. People are worth no more than ants. And of course there are the torturous years spent in the Soviet Gulag. War sucks. Some people like to glorify it.

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 7:19:19 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>
> Gary and Joan are average Americans. They never cook any "ethnic"
> foods.
>
I can't speak for Gary, but I do cook 'ethnic' foods and eat them at
restaurants as well. Am I going to supply you with a list and recipes
of what I cook, definitely no.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 13:43:38 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 7:19:19 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Gary and Joan are average Americans. They never cook any "ethnic"
>> foods.
>>
>I can't speak for Gary, but I do cook 'ethnic' foods and eat them at
>restaurants as well. Am I going to supply you with a list and recipes
>of what I cook, definitely no.

You asked a question and answered it yourself. Very efficient. If you
have any more questions, I refer you to yourself.

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 11:21:01 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>
> I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
> about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
> would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.
>
One of my deceased e-mail pals had been married to a Japanese man and she
mentioned shoyu many times. But I do admit to having never heard it called
that until she mentioned it.

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 11:21:51 AM UTC-10, A Moose in Love wrote:
> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 2:53:41 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 14:15:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On 2019-12-07 1:42 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > >> Speaking of Japan, today is Dec. 7th. Tora! Tora! Tora!
> > >
> > >Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side show to
> > >their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
> > >hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and Mongolia and
> > >tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel and oil.
> > >They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
> > >could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
> > >Pacific fleet. So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the countdown to
> > >Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
> >
> > Can you just stick to boring posts and not foray into disgusting ones?
> > Those bombs on civilian populations were the 2nd biggest atrocity of
> > WW2, after the Holocaust.
>
> Some people think of war as paperwork. They are unable to comprehend what happens to people caught up in the war. My Dad spent much of his time in combat. And what he said about it wasn't pretty. Artillery barrages, with heads flying, limbs flying, the terror, Stalin's Organ the wonderful rocket launcher. He also said that human life has no meaning whatsoever. People are worth no more than ants. And of course there are the torturous years spent in the Soviet Gulag. War sucks. Some people like to glorify it.

War is the valuation of property over people.

On 12/7/2019 2:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 14:15:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2019-12-07 1:42 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of Japan, today is Dec. 7th. Tora! Tora! Tora!
>>
>> Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side show to
>> their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
>> hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and Mongolia and
>> tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel and oil.
>> They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
>> could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
>> Pacific fleet. So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the countdown to
>> Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>
> Can you just stick to boring posts and not foray into disgusting ones?
> Those bombs on civilian populations were the 2nd biggest atrocity of
> WW2, after the Holocaust.
>
If that did not happen they estimate that a million lives would have
been lost, mostly Japanese. They were not giving in until every last
person was gone. No matter, you'd not accept anything about it. You
are welcome to second guess decisions make in the 1940s.

On 12/7/2019 2:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 12:47:08 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 12/7/2019 12:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Shoyu" is a term used for Japanese soy sauce. It's a term used in Japan and Hawaii. I don't believe that it's commonly used on the mainland. On this rock, it's a culturally important condiment that people are raised on and will typically be found on the table in restaurants.
>>>
>>> The most popular shoyu in Hawaii is Aloha Shoyu. It's mild taste makes it especially suitable for a table sauce. On the mainland, Aloha Shoyu is mostly put down by the foodies as being low class and crap. Most of these experts saying this have never tasted Aloha Shoyu. Mostly, they're simply repeating articles written by people who have never tasted the stuff either. That's okay with me. I'll go to the mainland and use whatever soy sauce they got going over there. When I get back to Hawaii, I get to use the real stuff.
>>>
>>
>> Silver Swan is the best brand I've been able to find. Never saw Aloha
>> but will try it if I see it or I can get it from Amazon.
>
> Aloha is crap. You might like it.
>
How astute of you to know my taste. I appreciate that.

On 2019-12-07 5:38 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/7/2019 2:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 14:15:24 -0500, Dave Smith

>>> Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side show to
>>> their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
>>> hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and Mongolia and
>>> tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel andÂ* oil.
>>> They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
>>> could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
>>> Pacific fleet.Â* So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the countdown to
>>> Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>
>> Can you just stick to boring posts and not foray into disgusting ones?
>> Those bombs on civilian populations were the 2nd biggest atrocity of
>> WW2, after the Holocaust.
>>
> If that did not happen they estimate that a million lives would have
> been lost, mostly Japanese.Â* They were not giving in until every last
> person was gone.Â* No matter, you'd not accept anything about it.Â* You
> are welcome to second guess decisions make in the 1940s.

We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:39:56 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/7/2019 2:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 12:47:08 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/7/2019 12:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Shoyu" is a term used for Japanese soy sauce. It's a term used in Japan and Hawaii. I don't believe that it's commonly used on the mainland. On this rock, it's a culturally important condiment that people are raised on and will typically be found on the table in restaurants.
>>>>
>>>> The most popular shoyu in Hawaii is Aloha Shoyu. It's mild taste makes it especially suitable for a table sauce. On the mainland, Aloha Shoyu is mostly put down by the foodies as being low class and crap. Most of these experts saying this have never tasted Aloha Shoyu. Mostly, they're simply repeating articles written by people who have never tasted the stuff either. That's okay with me. I'll go to the mainland and use whatever soy sauce they got going over there. When I get back to Hawaii, I get to use the real stuff.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Silver Swan is the best brand I've been able to find. Never saw Aloha
>>> but will try it if I see it or I can get it from Amazon.
>>
>> Aloha is crap. You might like it.
>>
>How astute of you to know my taste. I appreciate that.

I recently found out.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:38:46 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/7/2019 2:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 14:15:24 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2019-12-07 1:42 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Speaking of Japan, today is Dec. 7th. Tora! Tora! Tora!
>>>
>>> Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side show to
>>> their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
>>> hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and Mongolia and
>>> tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel and oil.
>>> They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
>>> could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
>>> Pacific fleet. So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the countdown to
>>> Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>
>> Can you just stick to boring posts and not foray into disgusting ones?
>> Those bombs on civilian populations were the 2nd biggest atrocity of
>> WW2, after the Holocaust.
>>
>If that did not happen they estimate that a million lives would have
>been lost, mostly Japanese. They were not giving in until every last
>person was gone. No matter, you'd not accept anything about it. You
>are welcome to second guess decisions make in the 1940s.

You're trying to justify the atrocity because your country committed
it. You haven't learnt a thing from it.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-12-07 5:38 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 12/7/2019 2:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 14:15:24 -0500, Dave Smith
>
>>>> Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side show to
>>>> their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
>>>> hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and Mongolia and
>>>> tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel andÂ* oil.
>>>> They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
>>>> could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
>>>> Pacific fleet.Â* So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the countdown to
>>>> Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>>
>>> Can you just stick to boring posts and not foray into disgusting ones?
>>> Those bombs on civilian populations were the 2nd biggest atrocity of
>>> WW2, after the Holocaust.
>>>
>> If that did not happen they estimate that a million lives would have
>> been lost, mostly Japanese.Â* They were not giving in until every last
>> person was gone.Â* No matter, you'd not accept anything about it.Â* You
>> are welcome to second guess decisions make in the 1940s.
>
>We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.

That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
your huge bias.

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:19:42 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:38:46 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >On 12/7/2019 2:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 14:15:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2019-12-07 1:42 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Speaking of Japan, today is Dec. 7th. Tora! Tora! Tora!
> >>>
> >>> Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side show to
> >>> their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
> >>> hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and Mongolia and
> >>> tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel and oil.
> >>> They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
> >>> could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
> >>> Pacific fleet. So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the countdown to
> >>> Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
> >>
> >> Can you just stick to boring posts and not foray into disgusting ones?
> >> Those bombs on civilian populations were the 2nd biggest atrocity of
> >> WW2, after the Holocaust.
> >>
> >If that did not happen they estimate that a million lives would have
> >been lost, mostly Japanese. They were not giving in until every last
> >person was gone. No matter, you'd not accept anything about it. You
> >are welcome to second guess decisions make in the 1940s.
>
> You're trying to justify the atrocity because your country committed
> it. You haven't learnt a thing from it.

Yes. Murdering people saves people. duh

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:21:37 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2019-12-07 5:38 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 12/7/2019 2:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 14:15:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> >
> >>>> Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side show to
> >>>> their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
> >>>> hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and Mongolia and
> >>>> tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel andÂ* oil.
> >>>> They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
> >>>> could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
> >>>> Pacific fleet.Â* So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the countdown to
> >>>> Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
> >>>
> >>> Can you just stick to boring posts and not foray into disgusting ones?
> >>> Those bombs on civilian populations were the 2nd biggest atrocity of
> >>> WW2, after the Holocaust.
> >>>
> >> If that did not happen they estimate that a million lives would have
> >> been lost, mostly Japanese.Â* They were not giving in until every last
> >> person was gone.Â* No matter, you'd not accept anything about it.Â* You
> >> are welcome to second guess decisions make in the 1940s.
> >
> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>
> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> your huge bias.

It's futile to argue with bigots. They don't wish to learn and are stuck in their own moronic version of history. I remember watching a doc on the bombing of German cities. The preacher said that it was necessary in order to shorten the war. Shorten the war? At whose expense. Did murdering civilians actually shorten the war?

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2019-12-07 5:38 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>
> >> If that did not happen they estimate that a million lives would have
> >> been lost, mostly Japanese.Â* They were not giving in until every last
> >> person was gone.Â* No matter, you'd not accept anything about it.Â* You
> >> are welcome to second guess decisions make in the 1940s.
> >
> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>
> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> your huge bias.
>
What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
ended it??

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:25:24 PM UTC-6, A Moose in Love wrote:
>
> It's futile to argue with bigots. They don't wish to learn and are stuck in their own moronic version of history. I remember watching a doc on the bombing of German cities. The preacher said that it was necessary in order to shorten the war. Shorten the war? At whose expense. Did murdering civilians actually shorten the war?
>
But it was ok to bomb English cities to bring them to their knees in hopes of
taking over their country? That's ok but being bombed in return is awful?

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:21:01 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Take into account he orders rice at McDonald's and was surprised a
>>>> "white woman" knows what shoyu is... as if you have to live in Hawaii
>>>> (or be Japanese) to have heard of it.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about.
>>
>> Pay no attention to Jill. She's just trying to sound worldly.
>>
>> I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
>> about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
>> would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.
>
> You're not the most cosmopolitan foodie here. I heard the term
> "shoyu" years ago.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Me too, but I thought it was just dinks trying to display their
intelligence.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:25:21 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love
> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:21:37 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2019-12-07 5:38 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>>
>> >> If that did not happen they estimate that a million lives would have
>> >> been lost, mostly Japanese.Â* They were not giving in until every last
>> >> person was gone.Â* No matter, you'd not accept anything about it.Â* You
>> >> are welcome to second guess decisions make in the 1940s.
>> >
>> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>>
>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>> your huge bias.
>
>It's futile to argue with bigots. They don't wish to learn and are stuck in their own moronic version of history. I remember watching a doc on the bombing of German cities. The preacher said that it was necessary in order to shorten the war. Shorten the war? At whose expense. Did murdering civilians actually shorten the war?

I've never understood bombing non military targets. Of course, the
Germans did it too.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:42:31 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:25:24 PM UTC-6, A Moose in Love wrote:
>>
>> It's futile to argue with bigots. They don't wish to learn and are stuck in their own moronic version of history. I remember watching a doc on the bombing of German cities. The preacher said that it was necessary in order to shorten the war. Shorten the war? At whose expense. Did murdering civilians actually shorten the war?
>>
>But it was ok to bomb English cities to bring them to their knees in hopes of
>taking over their country? That's ok but being bombed in return is awful?

It's the same. The bombing of London and Rotterdam, for instance.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>>
>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>> your huge bias.
>>
>What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
>killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
>ended it??

Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
problem, not the solution.

A Moose in Love wrote:
> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 2:53:41 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 14:15:24 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2019-12-07 1:42 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Speaking of Japan, today is Dec. 7th. Tora! Tora! Tora!
>>>
>>> Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side show to
>>> their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
>>> hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and Mongolia and
>>> tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel and oil.
>>> They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
>>> could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
>>> Pacific fleet. So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the countdown to
>>> Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>
>> Can you just stick to boring posts and not foray into disgusting ones?
>> Those bombs on civilian populations were the 2nd biggest atrocity of
>> WW2, after the Holocaust.
>
> Some people think of war as paperwork. They are unable to comprehend what happens to people caught up in the war. My Dad spent much of his time in combat. And what he said about it wasn't pretty. Artillery barrages, with heads flying, limbs flying, the terror, Stalin's Organ the wonderful rocket launcher. He also said that human life has no meaning whatsoever. People are worth no more than ants. And of course there are the torturous years spent in the Soviet Gulag. War sucks. Some people like to glorify it.
>

Yep The damn russians started it all when they invaded Poland.
Natcherly, the germans had to defend the father land.

The ruskys didn't honor the ribbentrop agreement, and attacked germany.

Germany was a victim of the evil allies, not an aggressor.

What could the poor fuhrer do short of all out war???

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/7/2019 2:53 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 14:15:24 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2019-12-07 1:42 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Speaking of Japan, today is Dec. 7th. Tora! Tora! Tora!
>>>
>>> Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side
>>> show to
>>> their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
>>> hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and
>>> Mongolia and
>>> tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel and* oil.
>>> They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
>>> could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
>>> Pacific fleet.* So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the
>>> countdown to
>>> Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>
>> Can you just stick to boring posts and not foray into disgusting
>> ones?
>> Those bombs on civilian populations were the 2nd biggest atrocity of
>> WW2, after the Holocaust.
>>
> If that did not happen they estimate that a million lives would have
> been lost, mostly Japanese.* They were not giving in until every
> last person was gone.* No matter, you'd not accept anything about
> it.* You are welcome to second guess decisions make in the 1940s.

Druce ain't happy?
What else is new?

Well, maybe we can discuss older wars.

How about some dutch wars.

On 12/7/2019 6:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>>>> themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>>>> more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>>>
>>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>>> your huge bias.
>>>
>> What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
>> killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
>> ended it??
>
> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
> problem, not the solution.
>

What would have been a better solution? Were you there? The Japanese
did not care about anyone in the battles all along and they were
planning to fight to the end.
These are the same people that brought you the Bataan Death March.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 19:26:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/7/2019 6:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>>>>> themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>>>>> more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>>>>
>>>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>>>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>>>> your huge bias.
>>>>
>>> What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
>>> killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
>>> ended it??
>>
>> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
>> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
>> problem, not the solution.
>>
>
>What would have been a better solution? Were you there? The Japanese
>did not care about anyone in the battles all along and they were
>planning to fight to the end.
>These are the same people that brought you the Bataan Death March.

You grew up with American spin telling you that it was a good thing to
do. An honorable thing. A necessary thing. This is now written in
stone in your brain, no matter how insane that is.

On 12/7/2019 7:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 19:26:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 12/7/2019 6:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>>>>>> themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>>>>>> more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>>>>>
>>>>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>>>>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>>>>> your huge bias.
>>>>>
>>>> What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
>>>> killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
>>>> ended it??
>>>
>>> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
>>> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
>>> problem, not the solution.
>>>
>>
>> What would have been a better solution? Were you there? The Japanese
>> did not care about anyone in the battles all along and they were
>> planning to fight to the end.
>> These are the same people that brought you the Bataan Death March.
>
> You grew up with American spin telling you that it was a good thing to
> do. An honorable thing. A necessary thing. This is now written in
> stone in your brain, no matter how insane that is.
>
Pretty simple rally. If the bombing save a million lives it was a good
thing. If it saved no lives it was a bad thing. Just show me the
truth, real facts.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 20:44:46 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/7/2019 7:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 19:26:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/7/2019 6:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>>>>>>> themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>>>>>>> more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>>>>>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>>>>>> your huge bias.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
>>>>> killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
>>>>> ended it??
>>>>
>>>> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
>>>> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
>>>> problem, not the solution.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What would have been a better solution? Were you there? The Japanese
>>> did not care about anyone in the battles all along and they were
>>> planning to fight to the end.
>>> These are the same people that brought you the Bataan Death March.
>>
>> You grew up with American spin telling you that it was a good thing to
>> do. An honorable thing. A necessary thing. This is now written in
>> stone in your brain, no matter how insane that is.
>>
>Pretty simple rally. If the bombing save a million lives it was a good
>thing. If it saved no lives it was a bad thing. Just show me the
>truth, real facts.

The real facts are that the US killed little girls, little boys,
women, innocent men, elderly. And to top that, you justify it, agree
with it. Maybe stick with being the Robin Hood of the rich and
corrupt.

On 12/7/2019 8:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 20:44:46 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 12/7/2019 7:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 19:26:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/7/2019 6:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>>>>>>>> themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>>>>>>>> more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>>>>>>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>>>>>>> your huge bias.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
>>>>>> killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
>>>>>> ended it??
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
>>>>> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
>>>>> problem, not the solution.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What would have been a better solution? Were you there? The Japanese
>>>> did not care about anyone in the battles all along and they were
>>>> planning to fight to the end.
>>>> These are the same people that brought you the Bataan Death March.
>>>
>>> You grew up with American spin telling you that it was a good thing to
>>> do. An honorable thing. A necessary thing. This is now written in
>>> stone in your brain, no matter how insane that is.
>>>
>> Pretty simple rally. If the bombing save a million lives it was a good
>> thing. If it saved no lives it was a bad thing. Just show me the
>> truth, real facts.
>
> The real facts are that the US killed little girls, little boys,
> women, innocent men, elderly. And to top that, you justify it, agree
> with it. Maybe stick with being the Robin Hood of the rich and
> corrupt.
>
Hopefully that saved many other lives as the Japanese government did not
care who got killed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
R. J. Rummel, a professor of political science at the University of
Hawaii, estimates that between 1937 and 1945, the Japanese military
murdered from nearly 3 to over 10 million people, most likely 6 million
Chinese, Koreans, Malaysians, Indonesians, Filipinos and Indochinese,
among others, including Western prisoners of war. According to Rummel,
"This democide [i.e., death by government] was due to a morally bankrupt
political and military strategy, military expediency and custom, and
national culture."[2] According to Rummel, in China alone, during
1937€“45, approximately 3.9 million Chinese were killed, mostly
civilians, as a direct result of the Japanese operations and a total of
10.2 million Chinese were killed in the course of the war.[59] The most
infamous incident during this period was the Nanking Massacre of
1937€“38, when, according to the findings of the International Military
Tribunal for the Far East, the Japanese Army massacred as many as
300,000 civilians and prisoners of war, although the accepted figure is
somewhere in the hundreds of thousands.[60

On Sat, 07 Dec 2019 12:01:38 -0800, dsi1 wrote:

> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2019-12-07 1:42 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> > My guess is that in around 20 years, "shoyu" will be completely
>> > returned back to Japan. The kids these days have no problem with
>> > saying "soy sauce." If you look at the Aloha Shoyu bottle it says
>> > "Aloha Soy Sauce." If I'm on the mainland, I'd call it soy sauce. My
>> > guess is that the future Hawaiians are going to call it "soy sauce."
>> >
>> >
>> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and in this
>> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya because it
>> might be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or perhaps as mocking
>> a Japanese accent.
>>
>>
>> > Speaking of Japan, today is Dec. 7th. Tora! Tora! Tora!
>>
>> Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side show to
>> their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
>> hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and Mongolia and
>> tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel and oil.
>> They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
>> could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
>> Pacific fleet. So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the countdown to
>> Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>
> Oddly enough, the attack on Pearl Harbor was not the first attack on
> American soil. It was the bombing and strafing of the Naval Air Station
> Kaneohe Bay that occurred 8 minutes before the first wave of attacks on
> Pearl. 20 people were killed there but most folks don't know about it.
> Today, instead of death and destruction, we have peace and joy; the
> Kaneohe Christmas parade is happening across the bay from the Kaneohe
> base.

I read "Day of Infamy" when I lived at Schofield Barracks in the mid 60s.
I've forgotten most of the details but I seem to recall that Japanese
planes came over Kole-Kole pass, strafed Schofield Barracks and then
strafed and/or bombed Wheeler Air Field across the road. There was a
plaque on the side of a small wooden building near where I lived that had
been cut out in the center and placed over a hole in the building's wall.
It said "First shot fired in the attack on Pearl Harbor". It was at least
15 minutes before Pearl Harbor was hit.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 21:38:10 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/7/2019 8:51 PM, Bruce wrote:

>> The real facts are that the US killed little girls, little boys,
>> women, innocent men, elderly. And to top that, you justify it, agree
>> with it. Maybe stick with being the Robin Hood of the rich and
>> corrupt.
>>
>Hopefully that saved many other lives as the Japanese government did not
>care who got killed
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
>R. J. Rummel, a professor of political science at the University of
>Hawaii, estimates that between 1937 and 1945, the Japanese military
>murdered from nearly 3 to over 10 million people, most likely 6 million
>Chinese, Koreans, Malaysians, Indonesians, Filipinos and Indochinese,
>among others, including Western prisoners of war. According to Rummel,
>"This democide [i.e., death by government] was due to a morally bankrupt
>political and military strategy, military expediency and custom, and
>national culture."[2] According to Rummel, in China alone, during
>1937€“45, approximately 3.9 million Chinese were killed, mostly
>civilians, as a direct result of the Japanese operations and a total of
>10.2 million Chinese were killed in the course of the war.[59] The most
>infamous incident during this period was the Nanking Massacre of
>1937€“38, when, according to the findings of the International Military
>Tribunal for the Far East, the Japanese Army massacred as many as
>300,000 civilians and prisoners of war, although the accepted figure is
>somewhere in the hundreds of thousands.[60

I'm sure that -if I could be bothered- I could find a professor who
says the Holocaust was a good thing. Luckily, I follow my own
judgment.

Anyway, why am I trying to convince someone who finds Hank Something's
posts funny?

On 2019 Dec 5, , jmcquown wrote
(in article >):
> >
> > I dont know. I never looked. Ive used the stuff forever, and looking
> > for something new has never occurred to me. I did buy a "cornbread-in-a-box"
> > once from some company. Meh.
> Jiffy? Too darn sweet!

Now that you mention it, I believe it was. Ill pass on another boxed
cornbread recipe.

leo

On 2019 Dec 5, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
(in article >):

> On 12/5/2019 1:21 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > Although I don't care for polenta, the fried polenta squares the day
> > after always sounded good to me
> > Janet US
>
> Yes, fried is good. Not something I'd want every day but is is a nice
> treat once in a while.

Although I dont know what polenta is, I like fried cornmeal mush. The
recipe comes right off the Albers® box. Its great with butter and Log
Cabin syrup. I think Ill make some, right now.

leo

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:56:46 -0500, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 12/7/2019 3:07 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:20:47 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" wrote:
>>>>> Jiffy? Too darn sweet!
>>>>
>>>> Agree.
>>>
>>> Not surprising at all that the 2 RCF princesses agree about
>>> not liking some recipe. lol
>>
>> Jiffy products are too sweet for me, too.
>>
>And me.

they are awfully sweet. I thought nothing of it when I was really
young. As my cooking abilities and tastes developed, Jiffy became
sweet to me.
Janet US

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:28:25 PM UTC-10, nemo wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Dec 2019 12:01:38 -0800, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2019-12-07 1:42 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> > My guess is that in around 20 years, "shoyu" will be completely
> >> > returned back to Japan. The kids these days have no problem with
> >> > saying "soy sauce." If you look at the Aloha Shoyu bottle it says
> >> > "Aloha Soy Sauce." If I'm on the mainland, I'd call it soy sauce. My
> >> > guess is that the future Hawaiians are going to call it "soy sauce."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and in this
> >> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya because it
> >> might be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or perhaps as mocking
> >> a Japanese accent.
> >>
> >>
> >> > Speaking of Japan, today is Dec. 7th. Tora! Tora! Tora!
> >>
> >> Yep. It was not just an attack on the US. That was just a side show to
> >> their well coordinated invasions across the Pacific. The US had been
> >> hassling the Japanese about their aggression on China and Mongolia and
> >> tried to force them to stop by means of embargoes on steel and oil.
> >> They thought the US lacked the will to actually fight and that they
> >> could knock the war spirit out of the Americans by destroying their
> >> Pacific fleet. So we can celebrate Tora Tora Tora as the countdown to
> >> Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
> >
> > Oddly enough, the attack on Pearl Harbor was not the first attack on
> > American soil. It was the bombing and strafing of the Naval Air Station
> > Kaneohe Bay that occurred 8 minutes before the first wave of attacks on
> > Pearl. 20 people were killed there but most folks don't know about it.
> > Today, instead of death and destruction, we have peace and joy; the
> > Kaneohe Christmas parade is happening across the bay from the Kaneohe
> > base.
>
> I read "Day of Infamy" when I lived at Schofield Barracks in the mid 60s.
> I've forgotten most of the details but I seem to recall that Japanese
> planes came over Kole-Kole pass, strafed Schofield Barracks and then
> strafed and/or bombed Wheeler Air Field across the road. There was a
> plaque on the side of a small wooden building near where I lived that had
> been cut out in the center and placed over a hole in the building's wall.
> It said "First shot fired in the attack on Pearl Harbor". It was at least
> 15 minutes before Pearl Harbor was hit.

That's pretty historic. Thanks for the info. The roof on my son's school in Honolulu was set on fire from a bomb. Why did they bomb an elementary school? That was goofy. A bomb went off and killed a guy a couple of blocks away. Near as I can tell, the place was where a Jack-in-the-Box restaurant now stands. These days, the only bombs in the area are the gut bombs served at the burger joint.

On 2019 Dec 7, , Gary wrote
(in article >):

> My point being that after many years, tastes can change. What
> you didn't like many years ago, you might like now.
> Also different recipes make a difference.

I hated cruciferous vegetables and asparagus when I was a kid. I actually
threw up once on a table. I wasnt pushed after that. Later, those evil
vegetables started showing up on plates in restaurants when I paid for the
meal, and I was cheap, so I choked them down. I found out that I liked most
of what I loathed before.

By that time, fifteen years had passed and the vegetables werent cooked to
death anymore, so that helped. Im still not crazy for winter squash, but
if €œyou€� cook it, Ill eat it to be polite and with a smile on my face,
lie that I like it. I wont throw up.

leo

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 10:09:29 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:21:01 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > jmcquown wrote:
> > > > Take into account he orders rice at McDonald's and was surprised a
> > > > "white woman" knows what shoyu is... as if you have to live in
> > > > Hawaii
> > > > (or be Japanese) to have heard of it.
> > > >
> > > > Jill
> > >
> > > That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask
> > > for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know
> > > what you're talking about.
> >
> > Pay no attention to Jill. She's just trying to sound worldly.
> >
> > I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
> > about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
> > would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.
>
> You're not the most cosmopolitan foodie here. I heard the term
> "shoyu" years ago.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I heard the term over 60 years ago. Looks like I win. You don't try to
school me on Aloha Shoyu and I won't give you tips on driving in the snow.


====

The first time I heard it was here. I learned it from you)

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
> >> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
> >> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
> >>
> >> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> >> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> >> your huge bias.
> >>
> >What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
> >killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
> >ended it??
>
> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
> problem, not the solution.

How do you teach bombs not to kill innocents, especially with WWII tech?

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 7:26:12 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/7/2019 6:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
> >>>> themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
> >>>> more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
> >>>
> >>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> >>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> >>> your huge bias.
> >>>
> >> What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
> >> killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
> >> ended it??
> >
> > Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
> > That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
> > problem, not the solution.
> >
>
> What would have been a better solution? Were you there? The Japanese
> did not care about anyone in the battles all along and they were
> planning to fight to the end.
> These are the same people that brought you the Bataan Death March.

The people who were being firebombed and nuked were not responsible for atrocities committed by their regime. They were bystanders caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time. I look at people as individuals not as part of the machine. Encircling Japan would have been a better idea, although it would still have produced casualties among the innocents, but not nearly as many as bombing did.

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 04:29:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>> >> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>> >> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>> >>
>> >> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>> >> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>> >> your huge bias.
>> >>
>> >What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
>> >killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
>> >ended it??
>>
>> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
>> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
>> problem, not the solution.
>
>How do you teach bombs not to kill innocents, especially with WWII tech?

If you throw an atomic bomb on a city, your intention is to kill
innocent civilians and lots of them.

On 12/8/2019 7:33 AM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 7:26:12 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 12/7/2019 6:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>>>>>> themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>>>>>> more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>>>>>
>>>>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>>>>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>>>>> your huge bias.
>>>>>
>>>> What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
>>>> killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
>>>> ended it??
>>>
>>> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
>>> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
>>> problem, not the solution.
>>>
>>
>> What would have been a better solution? Were you there? The Japanese
>> did not care about anyone in the battles all along and they were
>> planning to fight to the end.
>> These are the same people that brought you the Bataan Death March.
>
> The people who were being firebombed and nuked were not responsible for atrocities committed by their regime. They were bystanders caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time. I look at people as individuals not as part of the machine. Encircling Japan would have been a better idea, although it would still have produced casualties among the innocents, but not nearly as many as bombing did.
>
Do you know that for fact? Do you know if it was considered and if it
was why not done? I'm sure you find it easier to fight a war 70 years
later but what would you have done at the time? You don't really know.