On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 9:51:53 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 04:29:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
> >> >> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
> >> >> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
> >> >>
> >> >> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> >> >> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> >> >> your huge bias.
> >> >>
> >> >What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
> >> >killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
> >> >ended it??
> >>
> >> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
> >> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
> >> problem, not the solution.
> >
> >How do you teach bombs not to kill innocents, especially with WWII tech?
>
> If you throw an atomic bomb on a city, your intention is to kill
> innocent civilians and lots of them.

Cindy's statement was moronic. Not only atomics, Tokyo was firebombed like crazy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 07:47:12 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love
> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 9:51:53 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 04:29:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>> >> >> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>> >> >> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>> >> >> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>> >> >> your huge bias.
>> >> >>
>> >> >What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
>> >> >killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
>> >> >ended it??
>> >>
>> >> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
>> >> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
>> >> problem, not the solution.
>> >
>> >How do you teach bombs not to kill innocents, especially with WWII tech?
>>
>> If you throw an atomic bomb on a city, your intention is to kill
>> innocent civilians and lots of them.
>
>Cindy's statement was moronic. Not only atomics, Tokyo was firebombed like crazy.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

Americans are still worked up about Pearl Harbor, but at least that
was a military target. 9/11 was much nastier.

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 9:51:59 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/8/2019 7:33 AM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 7:26:12 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 12/7/2019 6:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
> >>>>>> themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
> >>>>>> more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> >>>>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> >>>>> your huge bias.
> >>>>>
> >>>> What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
> >>>> killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
> >>>> ended it??
> >>>
> >>> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women..
> >>> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
> >>> problem, not the solution.
> >>>
> >>
> >> What would have been a better solution? Were you there? The Japanese
> >> did not care about anyone in the battles all along and they were
> >> planning to fight to the end.
> >> These are the same people that brought you the Bataan Death March.
> >
> > The people who were being firebombed and nuked were not responsible for atrocities committed by their regime. They were bystanders caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time. I look at people as individuals not as part of the machine. Encircling Japan would have been a better idea, although it would still have produced casualties among the innocents, but not nearly as many as bombing did.
> >
> Do you know that for fact? Do you know if it was considered and if it
> was why not done? I'm sure you find it easier to fight a war 70 years
> later but what would you have done at the time? You don't really know.

You're trying your best to justify serious atrocities. The US should not have put an embargo on Japan. I know that Japan wanted to expand into SE Asia. So did the US. Japan responded, and did not intentionally kill US civilians. Can't say the same for the US. That war was about Empire vs. Empire. And the innocents suffered for it.

S Viemeister wrote:
>
> On 12/7/2019 3:07 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:20:47 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >> Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "jmcquown" wrote:
> >>>> Jiffy? Too darn sweet!
> >>>
> >>> Agree.
> >>
> >> Not surprising at all that the 2 RCF princesses agree about
> >> not liking some recipe. lol
> >
> > Jiffy products are too sweet for me, too.
> >
> And me.

I don't do Jiffy other products but I do like the slightly
sweetened taste of their cornbread.

On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:33:57 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>S Viemeister wrote:
>>
>> On 12/7/2019 3:07 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:20:47 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> >> Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> "jmcquown" wrote:
>> >>>> Jiffy? Too darn sweet!
>> >>>
>> >>> Agree.
>> >>
>> >> Not surprising at all that the 2 RCF princesses agree about
>> >> not liking some recipe. lol
>> >
>> > Jiffy products are too sweet for me, too.
>> >
>> And me.
>
>I don't do Jiffy other products but I do like the slightly
>sweetened taste of their cornbread.

Can you buy bread without added sugar?

Bruce wrote:
>
> You're trying to justify the atrocity because your country committed
> it. You haven't learnt a thing from it.

The two bombs ended the war quickly rather than extend it with
even more people being killed.

The entire world DID learn from it though. The ultimate evil
weapon and no one has used one since in a war.

Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > You're not the most cosmopolitan foodie here. I heard the term
> > "shoyu" years ago.
>
> Me too, but I thought it was just dinks trying to display their
> intelligence.

As I said, I never heard the term until Dsi1 mentioned it here
and also said that I bet most ppl here don't know it. Meaning
in my area.

Just being curious, I'm doing a poll and will report back
in a week or two. I'll ask all of my family plus any local
people that I know here.

Q: Do you know what shoyu is?

So far, I asked 2 neighbors here as I talked to them
this morning and neither had a clue.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 12/7/2019 6:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
> >>>> themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
> >>>> more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
> >>>
> >>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> >>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> >>> your huge bias.
> >>>
> >> What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
> >> killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
> >> ended it??
> >
> > Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
> > That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
> > problem, not the solution.
> >
>
> What would have been a better solution? Were you there? The Japanese
> did not care about anyone in the battles all along and they were
> planning to fight to the end.
> These are the same people that brought you the Bataan Death March.

Different cultures fighting too. The Japanese strongly believed
in
'death before dishonor'. They would rather fight and die before
surrendering. This is why they treated all POWs so bad. They had
no
respect for those that had surrendered to them.

On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:36:46 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> You're trying to justify the atrocity because your country committed
>> it. You haven't learnt a thing from it.
>
>The two bombs ended the war quickly rather than extend it with
>even more people being killed.
>
>The entire world DID learn from it though. The ultimate evil
>weapon and no one has used one since in a war.

Yes, the ultimate evil weapon, but some people still justify its use.
I guess those people have an evil side themselves.

On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:39:26 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> On 12/7/2019 6:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> >
>> > Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
>> > That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
>> > problem, not the solution.
>> >
>>
>> What would have been a better solution? Were you there? The Japanese
>> did not care about anyone in the battles all along and they were
>> planning to fight to the end.
>> These are the same people that brought you the Bataan Death March.
>
>Different cultures fighting too. The Japanese strongly believed
>in
>'death before dishonor'. They would rather fight and die before
>surrendering. This is why they treated all POWs so bad. They had
>no
>respect for those that had surrendered to them.

They also treated women and children very badly. They nearly killed my
mother. All in the name of the emperor. He could have said Stop and
all his drones would have stopped. But the criminal didn't do that.

On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:37:56 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Hank Rogers wrote:
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > You're not the most cosmopolitan foodie here. I heard the term
>> > "shoyu" years ago.
>>
>> Me too, but I thought it was just dinks trying to display their
>> intelligence.
>
>As I said, I never heard the term until Dsi1 mentioned it here
>and also said that I bet most ppl here don't know it. Meaning
>in my area.
>
>Just being curious, I'm doing a poll and will report back
>in a week or two. I'll ask all of my family plus any local
>people that I know here.
>
>Q: Do you know what shoyu is?
>
>So far, I asked 2 neighbors here as I talked to them
>this morning and neither had a clue.

I also don't know what 'soy sauce' is in Swahili.

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:47:16 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 9:51:53 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 04:29:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> > >> >> > wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
> > >> >> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
> > >> >> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> > >> >> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> > >> >> your huge bias.
> > >> >>
> > >> >What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
> > >> >killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
> > >> >ended it??
> > >>
> > >> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
> > >> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
> > >> problem, not the solution.
> > >
> > >How do you teach bombs not to kill innocents, especially with WWII tech?
> >
> > If you throw an atomic bomb on a city, your intention is to kill
> > innocent civilians and lots of them.
>
> Cindy's statement was moronic. Not only atomics, Tokyo was firebombed like crazy.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

Cindy's statement was not moronic. When industrial or military targets
are located near population centers, how do you ensure (using WWII tech)
that only the targets will be hit?

You can't. Either you learn to live with collateral damage or you give
up and lose the war.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:34:37 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:33:57 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
> >S Viemeister wrote:
> >>
> >> On 12/7/2019 3:07 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:20:47 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >> >> Julie Bove wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "jmcquown" wrote:
> >> >>>> Jiffy? Too darn sweet!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Agree.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not surprising at all that the 2 RCF princesses agree about
> >> >> not liking some recipe. lol
> >> >
> >> > Jiffy products are too sweet for me, too.
> >> >
> >> And me.
> >
> >I don't do Jiffy other products but I do like the slightly
> >sweetened taste of their cornbread.
>
> Can you buy bread without added sugar?

Jiff is a baking mix, not a finished product.

Northerners like cornbread with sugar in it. They treat it like
muffins.

It's trivially easy to make cornbread at home without sugar. Or
with sugar, if that's where your preferences lie.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:37:04 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Hank Rogers wrote:
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > You're not the most cosmopolitan foodie here. I heard the term
> > > "shoyu" years ago.
> >
> > Me too, but I thought it was just dinks trying to display their
> > intelligence.
>
> As I said, I never heard the term until Dsi1 mentioned it here
> and also said that I bet most ppl here don't know it. Meaning
> in my area.
>
> Just being curious, I'm doing a poll and will report back
> in a week or two. I'll ask all of my family plus any local
> people that I know here.
>
> Q: Do you know what shoyu is?
>
> So far, I asked 2 neighbors here as I talked to them
> this morning and neither had a clue.

That's scarcely a scientific survey. Its results are worthless.

Why don't I ask everybody I know? I'll bet some of them know what
it is.

Cindy Hamilton

A Moose in Love wrote:

> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 9:51:59 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 12/8/2019 7:33 AM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 7:26:12 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski
> > > wrote:
> > >> On 12/7/2019 6:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > >>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST),
> > " >>> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > >>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > >>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> > >>>>> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > >>>>>> We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like
> > to think of >>>>>> themselves as victims of the German aggression,
> > but there were a lot >>>>>> more of his countrymen who joined the
> > Nazis than the Resistance.
> > > > > > >
> > >>>>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs
> > on >>>>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that
> > because of >>>>> your huge bias.
> > > > > > >
> > >>>> What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an
> > end? Senselessly >>>> killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands
> > people? Just how would you have >>>> ended it??
> > > > >
> > >>> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men,
> > women. >>> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of
> > behaviour is the >>> problem, not the solution.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >> What would have been a better solution? Were you there? The
> > Japanese >> did not care about anyone in the battles all along and
> > they were >> planning to fight to the end.
> > >> These are the same people that brought you the Bataan Death
> > March.
> > >
> > > The people who were being firebombed and nuked were not
> > > responsible for atrocities committed by their regime. They were
> > > bystanders caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time. I
> > > look at people as individuals not as part of the machine.
> > > Encircling Japan would have been a better idea, although it would
> > > still have produced casualties among the innocents, but not
> > > nearly as many as bombing did.
> > >
> > Do you know that for fact? Do you know if it was considered and if
> > it was why not done? I'm sure you find it easier to fight a war 70
> > years later but what would you have done at the time? You don't
> > really know.
>
> You're trying your best to justify serious atrocities. The US should
> not have put an embargo on Japan. I know that Japan wanted to expand
> into SE Asia. So did the US. Japan responded, and did not
> intentionally kill US civilians. Can't say the same for the US.
> That war was about Empire vs. Empire. And the innocents suffered for
> it.

Educate yourself

https://worldhistory.hcps.org/pages/...antimeline.pdf

Gary wrote:

> S Viemeister wrote:
> >
> > On 12/7/2019 3:07 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:20:47 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> > >> Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > >
> > >>> "jmcquown" wrote:
> > >>>> Jiffy? Too darn sweet!
> > > > >
> > >>> Agree.
> > > >
> > >> Not surprising at all that the 2 RCF princesses agree about
> > >> not liking some recipe. lol
> > >
> > > Jiffy products are too sweet for me, too.
> > >
> > And me.
>
> I don't do Jiffy other products but I do like the slightly
> sweetened taste of their cornbread.

Guess I'm not a queen because I like Jiffy!

I like other types too but my upbringing was a bit mixed so Yankee
cornbreads do not offend me.

Gary wrote:

> Hank Rogers wrote:
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > You're not the most cosmopolitan foodie here. I heard the term
> > > "shoyu" years ago.
> >
> > Me too, but I thought it was just dinks trying to display their
> > intelligence.
>
> As I said, I never heard the term until Dsi1 mentioned it here
> and also said that I bet most ppl here don't know it. Meaning
> in my area.
>
> Just being curious, I'm doing a poll and will report back
> in a week or two. I'll ask all of my family plus any local
> people that I know here.
>
> Q: Do you know what shoyu is?
>
> So far, I asked 2 neighbors here as I talked to them
> this morning and neither had a clue.

Grin, talking to the wrong folks. Most military who have served in the
pacific will translate shoyu as soy sauce.

On 12/8/2019 11:39 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:36:46 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> You're trying to justify the atrocity because your country committed
>>> it. You haven't learnt a thing from it.
>>
>> The two bombs ended the war quickly rather than extend it with
>> even more people being killed.
>>
>> The entire world DID learn from it though. The ultimate evil
>> weapon and no one has used one since in a war.
>
> Yes, the ultimate evil weapon, but some people still justify its use.
> I guess those people have an evil side themselves.
>
Yeah, that would be my guess.

On 12/8/2019 11:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:37:56 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> You're not the most cosmopolitan foodie here. I heard the term
>>>> "shoyu" years ago.
>>>
>>> Me too, but I thought it was just dinks trying to display their
>>> intelligence.
>>
>> As I said, I never heard the term until Dsi1 mentioned it here
>> and also said that I bet most ppl here don't know it. Meaning
>> in my area.
>>
>> Just being curious, I'm doing a poll and will report back
>> in a week or two. I'll ask all of my family plus any local
>> people that I know here.
>>
>> Q: Do you know what shoyu is?
>>
>> So far, I asked 2 neighbors here as I talked to them
>> this morning and neither had a clue.
>
> I also don't know what 'soy sauce' is in Swahili.
>
I do. Mimi ni mchuzi

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 6:38:34 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > On 12/7/2019 6:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> > >>> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
> > >>>> themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
> > >>>> more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
> > >>>
> > >>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> > >>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> > >>> your huge bias.
> > >>>
> > >> What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
> > >> killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
> > >> ended it??
> > >
> > > Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women..
> > > That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
> > > problem, not the solution.
> > >
> >
> > What would have been a better solution? Were you there? The Japanese
> > did not care about anyone in the battles all along and they were
> > planning to fight to the end.
> > These are the same people that brought you the Bataan Death March.
>
> Different cultures fighting too. The Japanese strongly believed
> in
> 'death before dishonor'. They would rather fight and die before
> surrendering. This is why they treated all POWs so bad. They had
> no
> respect for those that had surrendered to them.

The Japanese people were conned into believing that they were the descendants of samurai that they too could follow the code of bushido. The bushido code was just another scam/tool used by the old shoguns to keep their samurai in line. It stressed loyalty, honor, and a willingness to die for their leaders. Most militaries, even today, follow a variation of those themes. The difference being that most military codes are not followed by civilians.

The bushido pretty much whipped the people of Japan into a spirit of the warrior frenzy. They all believed the lie. The Japanese Americans in the US army even received a message from Tojo encouraging them to fight hard for America and to be loyal to their emperor Roosevelt. Well, at least, that's what I've heard.

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:47:16 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 9:51:53 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 04:29:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> > > >> >> > wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
> > > >> >> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
> > > >> >> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> > > >> >> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> > > >> >> your huge bias.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
> > > >> >killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
> > > >> >ended it??
> > > >>
> > > >> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
> > > >> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
> > > >> problem, not the solution.
> > > >
> > > >How do you teach bombs not to kill innocents, especially with WWII tech?
> > >
> > > If you throw an atomic bomb on a city, your intention is to kill
> > > innocent civilians and lots of them.
> >
> > Cindy's statement was moronic. Not only atomics, Tokyo was firebombed like crazy.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo
>
> Cindy's statement was not moronic. When industrial or military targets
> are located near population centers, how do you ensure (using WWII tech)
> that only the targets will be hit?
>
> You can't. Either you learn to live with collateral damage or you give
> up and lose the war.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Collateral damage? You just turned into an idiot rather quickly. Duh firebombing Tokyo was collateral damage. Firebombing Hanover was collateral damage. My opinion of you has gone way south.

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 03:34:33 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:


snip
>
>Can you buy bread without added sugar?

yes you can. But, there are two different approaches to making bread
to achieve different kinds of results. I don't think that your remark
was meant to include all of that. There's flour/salt/leaven/water
approach. Then there is the enriched bread which may be made with
milk/eggs/sugar/flour/salt/ leaven. (the ingredients in enriched bread
can and are changed to make different kinds of bread)
Janet US

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > Q: Do you know what shoyu is?
> >
> > So far, I asked 2 neighbors here as I talked to them
> > this morning and neither had a clue.
>
> That's scarcely a scientific survey.

It's an unbiased survey. I'm asking random people.
My claim was that I'll bet most people in my
area don't know what it is.

> Its results are worthless.

"Not really," again said the damn kangaroo.
The random answers will either back up my claim
or prove it wrong.

Worthless to the world but not to my claim.

On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:

> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and in this
> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya because it might
> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or perhaps as mocking a
> Japanese accent.
>
>

The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation which is the blind use of a people's culture without an understanding of the people. The use of the word "shoyu" might one day be seen as a term that was used by the old farts of Hawaii. This is not due to any kind of movement towards political correctness but instead, to the Americanization of Hawaii. I like to cook Okinawan or Filipino pork, my kids like to make baked ziti and green bean casserole.

Currently, the biggest ethnic group in Hawaii are the Filipinos so I expect that Filipino culture will be more influential in Hawaii in the coming years. The Hawaiians just love this hapa-haole Filipino guy from the mainland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg0WFmNmOK4

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 1:34:44 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:47:16 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> > > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 9:51:53 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 04:29:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > > >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> > > > >> >> > wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
> > > > >> >> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
> > > > >> >> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> > > > >> >> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> > > > >> >> your huge bias.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
> > > > >> >killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
> > > > >> >ended it??
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
> > > > >> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
> > > > >> problem, not the solution.
> > > > >
> > > > >How do you teach bombs not to kill innocents, especially with WWII tech?
> > > >
> > > > If you throw an atomic bomb on a city, your intention is to kill
> > > > innocent civilians and lots of them.
> > >
> > > Cindy's statement was moronic. Not only atomics, Tokyo was firebombed like crazy.
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo
> >
> > Cindy's statement was not moronic. When industrial or military targets
> > are located near population centers, how do you ensure (using WWII tech)
> > that only the targets will be hit?
> >
> > You can't. Either you learn to live with collateral damage or you give
> > up and lose the war.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Collateral damage? You just turned into an idiot rather quickly. Duh firebombing Tokyo was collateral damage. Firebombing Hanover was collateral damage. My opinion of you has gone way south.

I don't know how I shall live with the pain.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Gary wrote:
> > > Q: Do you know what shoyu is?
> > >
> > > So far, I asked 2 neighbors here as I talked to them
> > > this morning and neither had a clue.
> >
> > That's scarcely a scientific survey.
>
> It's an unbiased survey. I'm asking random people.

No, you're not asking random people. You're asking people whom
you encounter. They all have that in common. They all encountered
you.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 09:17:09 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:47:16 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 9:51:53 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 04:29:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> > >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
>> > >> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > >> >> > wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>> > >> >> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>> > >> >> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>> > >> >> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>> > >> >> your huge bias.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
>> > >> >killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
>> > >> >ended it??
>> > >>
>> > >> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
>> > >> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
>> > >> problem, not the solution.
>> > >
>> > >How do you teach bombs not to kill innocents, especially with WWII tech?
>> >
>> > If you throw an atomic bomb on a city, your intention is to kill
>> > innocent civilians and lots of them.
>>
>> Cindy's statement was moronic. Not only atomics, Tokyo was firebombed like crazy.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo
>
>Cindy's statement was not moronic. When industrial or military targets
>are located near population centers, how do you ensure (using WWII tech)
>that only the targets will be hit?

The cities were the target.

>You can't. Either you learn to live with collateral damage or you give
>up and lose the war.

It wasn't collateral damage. The cities were the target.

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:34:41 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love
> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:47:16 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 9:51:53 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 04:29:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> > > >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
>> > > >> > wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > > >> >> > wrote:
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>> > > >> >> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>> > > >> >> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>> > > >> >> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>> > > >> >> your huge bias.
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
>> > > >> >killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
>> > > >> >ended it??
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
>> > > >> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
>> > > >> problem, not the solution.
>> > > >
>> > > >How do you teach bombs not to kill innocents, especially with WWII tech?
>> > >
>> > > If you throw an atomic bomb on a city, your intention is to kill
>> > > innocent civilians and lots of them.
>> >
>> > Cindy's statement was moronic. Not only atomics, Tokyo was firebombed like crazy.
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo
>>
>> Cindy's statement was not moronic. When industrial or military targets
>> are located near population centers, how do you ensure (using WWII tech)
>> that only the targets will be hit?
>>
>> You can't. Either you learn to live with collateral damage or you give
>> up and lose the war.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>Collateral damage? You just turned into an idiot rather quickly. Duh firebombing Tokyo was collateral damage. Firebombing Hanover was collateral damage. My opinion of you has gone way south.

I can't believe she's so poorly informed.

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and in this
>> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya because it might
>> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or perhaps as mocking a
>> Japanese accent.
>>
>>
>
>The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation

Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns out
they're even more speshial!

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 09:19:22 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:34:37 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:33:57 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >S Viemeister wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 12/7/2019 3:07 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:20:47 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> >> >> Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "jmcquown" wrote:
>> >> >>>> Jiffy? Too darn sweet!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Agree.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not surprising at all that the 2 RCF princesses agree about
>> >> >> not liking some recipe. lol
>> >> >
>> >> > Jiffy products are too sweet for me, too.
>> >> >
>> >> And me.
>> >
>> >I don't do Jiffy other products but I do like the slightly
>> >sweetened taste of their cornbread.
>>
>> Can you buy bread without added sugar?
>
>Jiff is a baking mix, not a finished product.
>
>Northerners like cornbread with sugar in it. They treat it like
>muffins.
>
>It's trivially easy to make cornbread at home without sugar. Or
>with sugar, if that's where your preferences lie.

At home you can do anything you want. But can you buy bread (not
cornbread) without added sugar in a supermarket?

On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:40:29 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 03:34:33 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>
>snip
>>
>>Can you buy bread without added sugar?
>
>yes you can. But, there are two different approaches to making bread
>to achieve different kinds of results. I don't think that your remark
>was meant to include all of that. There's flour/salt/leaven/water
>approach. Then there is the enriched bread which may be made with
>milk/eggs/sugar/flour/salt/ leaven. (the ingredients in enriched bread
>can and are changed to make different kinds of bread)

Yes, I was referring to flour/salt/leaven/water bread. Some things
become harder and harder to buy (in a supermarket at least) without
added sugar. Gherkins for instance.

Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:34:41 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:47:16 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 9:51:53 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 04:29:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>>>>>>>>>> themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>>>>>>>>>> more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>>>>>>>>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>>>>>>>>> your huge bias.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
>>>>>>>> killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
>>>>>>>> ended it??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
>>>>>>> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
>>>>>>> problem, not the solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you teach bombs not to kill innocents, especially with WWII tech?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you throw an atomic bomb on a city, your intention is to kill
>>>>> innocent civilians and lots of them.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy's statement was moronic. Not only atomics, Tokyo was firebombed like crazy.
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo
>>>
>>> Cindy's statement was not moronic. When industrial or military targets
>>> are located near population centers, how do you ensure (using WWII tech)
>>> that only the targets will be hit?
>>>
>>> You can't. Either you learn to live with collateral damage or you give
>>> up and lose the war.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Collateral damage? You just turned into an idiot rather quickly. Duh firebombing Tokyo was collateral damage. Firebombing Hanover was collateral damage. My opinion of you has gone way south.
>
> I can't believe she's so poorly informed.
>

Not everyone can be as intelligent as you druce.

Well, maybe Popeye.

Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 09:19:22 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:34:37 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:33:57 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>> S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/7/2019 3:07 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:20:47 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "jmcquown" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jiffy? Too darn sweet!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not surprising at all that the 2 RCF princesses agree about
>>>>>>> not liking some recipe. lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jiffy products are too sweet for me, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>> And me.
>>>>
>>>> I don't do Jiffy other products but I do like the slightly
>>>> sweetened taste of their cornbread.
>>>
>>> Can you buy bread without added sugar?
>>
>> Jiff is a baking mix, not a finished product.
>>
>> Northerners like cornbread with sugar in it. They treat it like
>> muffins.
>>
>> It's trivially easy to make cornbread at home without sugar. Or
>> with sugar, if that's where your preferences lie.
>
> At home you can do anything you want. But can you buy bread (not
> cornbread) without added sugar in a supermarket?
>

Druce, ALL bread in the US contains large amounts of sugar and
scores of horrible preservatives. That's the way we like it.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>> > Rather than refuse to taste, you should try "just one bite."
>> > It might surprise you.
>>
>> None of us here is a child. After eating and tasting for 62 years,
>> I can pretty much tell from the ingredients whether I'll like
>> something.
>
> My point being that after many years, tastes can change. What
> you didn't like many years ago, you might like now.
> Also different recipes make a difference.
>
> When I was very young, I hated crabcakes but I sure do love
> them now. Probably just a bad recipe back then.
>
> This is why, whenever I try a new food, I'll taste the basic
> ingredient plain on it's own first. If I don't like that,
> I won't try to disguise it with other flavorings.

I do eat some things now that I didn't as a child such as French fries,
burgers or pizza. But mostly there are things I ate as a child that I really
dislike now. Most of those things are sweets, but also frozen meals, canned
soups and things like Spaghettios. But also most meats, including chicken
hearts.

I think there are two reasons here. One being a limited diet when growing
up. Both parents are/were picky eaters but for different reasons. Our home
cooked food was often bland due to lack of seasonings. My dad was afraid of
most herbs and spices. My mom thought salt was bad in cooking. And she was
convinced that cheese and bread made you fat so we rarely had bread. We did
have cheese but were only allowed tiny amounts. But she also hated to cook
so at times I had no choice but to eat the prepackaged/canned/frozen
whatever, because there was no other food,

The other reason is that makers of this stuff have changed the recipes and
they no longer taste the way they did. Example: Last night my gardener (yes
the same one), asked if I had any tomato soup. I could picture that can of
Campbell's in my mind and thought of how sickly sweet it is now. No. I did
not have it. He wanted to dip his tuna melt in something. The closest thing
I had in the house was Marinara sauce which was already in the fridge. He
ate that. No, he does not live here. He is coming over to get the rest of
his things and we've been doing some studying together. Or more like I am
teaching him some things. It's all good. Except for the soup!

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> I'll make them if there happens to be some mac and cheese in the fridge.
>
> Speaking of mac&cheese. There is a very tasty and cheap frozen
> mac&cheese dinner available. I think it's Michelina's brand.
> 8oz box that includes very nicely spiced ground beef bits.
> The small beef addition takes the M&C over the top.
>
> Many here will be horrified at the thought of eating such a
> thing but I don't care. It's their loss.

I have tried a few things of that brand but nobody liked them.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2019-12-07 8:18 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> > dsi1 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'll make them if there happens to be some mac and cheese in the
>> >> fridge.
>> >
>> > Speaking of mac&cheese. There is a very tasty and cheap frozen
>> > mac&cheese dinner available. I think it's Michelina's brand.
>> > 8oz box that includes very nicely spiced ground beef bits.
>> > The small beef addition takes the M&C over the top.
>> >
>> > Many here will be horrified at the thought of eating such a
>> > thing but I don't care. It's their loss.
>>
>> If someone actually likes McDs food I am sure they would have no
>> problems with frozen macaroni and cheese.
>
> Dave Smith finally nailing it.

Not necessarily. Some people hate to cook. I am thinking of someone who
turned her nose up at all frozen food with the exception of chicken
nuggets/strips and Tater Tots and some fries. And of course a few kinds of
ice cream.

She refused to eat those cups of Kraft Mac and Cheese where you add water.
Reason? They are disgusting. Her words but I agree. So imagine my shock when
I saw those cups in the shopping cart. Also frozen meals. Reason? They're
less disgusting than cooking.

I think most of us here would find that hard to fathom because we like to
cook. But most of the people in my life hate to cook.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 03:11:25 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 5:21:02 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>>> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>> > I try to avoid commenting on the foods of others so you're right that
>>> > you can't count the times I've been gobsmacked. How does one count
>>> > zero? My only comments have mostly been that mainland food tends to be
>>> > bland and mushy. I don't have any problem with that.
>>>
>>> The cuisine mainland US(and I'll include Canada here)is not what you
>>> think. People were raised on food that their ancestors ate. Our
>>> cuisine (DonauSchwaben food)was varied. Sometimes maybe it was bland,
>>> but most of the time it wasn't.
>>> Ditto for the French, Italians, Brits, Indians, Malaysians etc. I like
>>> mashed potatoes. They could be considered bland, but once they are
>>> amped up with a good gravy, WOW!
>>
>>Not only that, but many of us eat many more cuisines than we grew up with.
>>Because of "melting pot", they're all American food now.
>
> Gary and Joan are average Americans. They never cook any "ethnic"
> foods.

Keep in mind this is a big country. Different regions eat different things.
I was born in the Midwest and grew up on that sort of bland, plain food.
Apparently BBQ was/is big in certain parts of Kansas but I didn't know this
until recently as we never ate it.

My parents did eat some Americanized ethnic dishes in restaurants. For
instance, at a Chinese restaurant, we always got whatever the family meal
was. My brother and I always went hungry because we did not like that stuff
at all. Once I was out on my own, I read the menu and made my own choices. I
still don't like most Chinese food but the few dishes I do like, I really
like.We do have a lot of Chinese and Japanese places here. Some
Americanized, some not.

Seafood is big here. My dad did eat that. My mom ate a few things but my
brother and I never acquired a taste for it. Swedish food is big in Ballard
(Seattle). I don't like most of that either.

I do love Mexican food. That seems to be more and more common here, but most
of it is Americanized/Tex Mex. I prefer more traditional things like Sopes
and street tacos. But there is also a fusion with South American foods so I
also like things like pupusas.

I think the biggest things in this area are now Thai and Indian foods. Tons
of Indian groceries and restaurants. Tons of Thai restaurants with some
Chinese fusion dishes. Oddly enough, both of my parents both love certain
Thai foods but I can't stand the seasonings.

We don't have a lot of Italians here so our Italian food is mostly
boring/Americanized and relies heavily on pizza and pasta. But go to the
East coast, particularly NY and NJ and you'll find lots of good Italian
food. Also lots of diners owned by Greeks but not featuring much in the way
of Greek food there.

Foods that might be common in other parts of this country were not common
here until perhaps the last 30-10 years or so. Stuff like biscuits and gravy
or grits weren't even on restaurant menus. Pierogies (Polish) are common in
PA but never need in restaurants here but you can find them frozen now.

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 16:18:53 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Keep in mind this is a big country. Different regions eat different things.
>I was born in the Midwest and grew up on that sort of bland, plain food.
>Apparently BBQ was/is big in certain parts of Kansas but I didn't know this
>until recently as we never ate it.
>
>My parents did eat some Americanized ethnic dishes in restaurants. For
>instance, at a Chinese restaurant, we always got whatever the family meal
>was. My brother and I always went hungry because we did not like that stuff
>at all. Once I was out on my own, I read the menu and made my own choices. I
>still don't like most Chinese food but the few dishes I do like, I really
>like.We do have a lot of Chinese and Japanese places here. Some
>Americanized, some not.
>
>Seafood is big here. My dad did eat that. My mom ate a few things but my
>brother and I never acquired a taste for it. Swedish food is big in Ballard
>(Seattle). I don't like most of that either.
>
>I do love Mexican food. That seems to be more and more common here, but most
>of it is Americanized/Tex Mex. I prefer more traditional things like Sopes
>and street tacos. But there is also a fusion with South American foods so I
>also like things like pupusas.
>
>I think the biggest things in this area are now Thai and Indian foods. Tons
>of Indian groceries and restaurants. Tons of Thai restaurants with some
>Chinese fusion dishes. Oddly enough, both of my parents both love certain
>Thai foods but I can't stand the seasonings.
>
>We don't have a lot of Italians here so our Italian food is mostly
>boring/Americanized and relies heavily on pizza and pasta. But go to the
>East coast, particularly NY and NJ and you'll find lots of good Italian
>food. Also lots of diners owned by Greeks but not featuring much in the way
>of Greek food there.
>
>Foods that might be common in other parts of this country were not common
>here until perhaps the last 30-10 years or so. Stuff like biscuits and gravy
>or grits weren't even on restaurant menus. Pierogies (Polish) are common in
>PA but never need in restaurants here but you can find them frozen now.

I think that all western countries are a melting pot when it comes to
food, these days. But you also still have "meat and 3 veg" kind of
people. More like "meat, potatoes and 1 veg" probably, but anyway.
Their biggest food adventure is westernised Chinese in restaurants.

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 08:56:09 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:40:29 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 03:34:33 +1100, Bruce >
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>snip
>>>
>>>Can you buy bread without added sugar?
>>
>>yes you can. But, there are two different approaches to making bread
>>to achieve different kinds of results. I don't think that your remark
>>was meant to include all of that. There's flour/salt/leaven/water
>>approach. Then there is the enriched bread which may be made with
>>milk/eggs/sugar/flour/salt/ leaven. (the ingredients in enriched bread
>>can and are changed to make different kinds of bread)
>
>Yes, I was referring to flour/salt/leaven/water bread. Some things
>become harder and harder to buy (in a supermarket at least) without
>added sugar. Gherkins for instance.

you're looking for artisan only

On 2019-12-08 6:52 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2019-12-07 8:18 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>> > dsi1 wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I'll make them if there happens to be some mac and cheese in the
>>> >> fridge.
>>> >
>>> > Speaking of mac&cheese. There is a very tasty and cheap frozen
>>> > mac&cheese dinner available. I think it's Michelina's brand.
>>> > 8oz box that includes very nicely spiced ground beef bits.
>>> > The small beef addition takes the M&C over the top.
>>> >
>>> > Many here will be horrified at the thought of eating such a
>>> > thing but I don't care. It's their loss.Â*
>>>
>>> If someone actually likes McDs food I am sure they would have no
>>> problems with frozen macaroni and cheese.
>>
>> Dave Smith finally nailing it.
>
> Not necessarily. Some people hate to cook. I am thinking of someone who
> turned her nose up at all frozen food with the exception of chicken
> nuggets/strips and Tater Tots and some fries. And of course a few kinds
> of ice cream.
>
> She refused to eat those cups of Kraft Mac and Cheese where you add
> water. Reason? They are disgusting. Her words but I agree. So imagine my
> shock when I saw those cups in the shopping cart. Also frozen meals.
> Reason? They're less disgusting than cooking.
>
> I think most of us here would find that hard to fathom because we like
> to cook. But most of the people in my life hate to cook.
>
Is this imaginary person you?