Julie Bove wrote:
....
> I do love Mexican food. That seems to be more and more common here, but most
> of it is Americanized/Tex Mex. I prefer more traditional things like Sopes
> and street tacos. But there is also a fusion with South American foods so I
> also like things like pupusas.

Mexican is pretty easy IMO, finding good ingredients
to make it worth it might be harder when you are not near
a bigger city where you can find decent stores that carry
the right ingredients.

i'm not a huge seafood eater but i love a good seviche.
there are plenty of dishes to explore and adapt. all
recipes are starting points IMO. some are good as they
are, but many can be tweaked for fun/variety.


songbird

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and in this
> >> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya because it might
> >> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or perhaps as mocking a
> >> Japanese accent.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
>
> Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns out
> they're even more speshial!

We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."

Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8 black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxSBYYBUU

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 01:39:21 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >
>> >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and in this
>> >> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya because it might
>> >> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or perhaps as mocking a
>> >> Japanese accent.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
>>
>> Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns out
>> they're even more speshial!
>
>We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
>
>Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8 black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!

You finally got my country right! Praise the White Man's Lord!

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:47:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 01:39:21 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and in this
> >> >> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya because it might
> >> >> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or perhaps as mocking a
> >> >> Japanese accent.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
> >>
> >> Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns out
> >> they're even more speshial!
> >
> >We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
> >
> >Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8 black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
>
> You finally got my country right! Praise the White Man's Lord!

Yoose guys blow my mind. But not in a good way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Oi15ND9tU

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 02:32:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:47:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 01:39:21 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
>> >
>> >Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8 black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
>>
>> You finally got my country right! Praise the White Man's Lord!
>
>Yoose guys blow my mind. But not in a good way.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Oi15ND9tU

Cultural differences, you know But the Dutch politically correct
left-wing Amsterdam minority shares your feelings. Which puts me in a
difficult position, because I'm left-wing but not politically correct.

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:49:28 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:34:41 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:47:16 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 9:51:53 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 04:29:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> > > >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
> >> > > >> > wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> >> > > >> >> > wrote:
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
> >> > > >> >> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
> >> > > >> >> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> >> > > >> >> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> >> > > >> >> your huge bias.
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
> >> > > >> >killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
> >> > > >> >ended it??
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
> >> > > >> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
> >> > > >> problem, not the solution.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >How do you teach bombs not to kill innocents, especially with WWII tech?
> >> > >
> >> > > If you throw an atomic bomb on a city, your intention is to kill
> >> > > innocent civilians and lots of them.
> >> >
> >> > Cindy's statement was moronic. Not only atomics, Tokyo was firebombed like crazy.
> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo
> >>
> >> Cindy's statement was not moronic. When industrial or military targets
> >> are located near population centers, how do you ensure (using WWII tech)
> >> that only the targets will be hit?
> >>
> >> You can't. Either you learn to live with collateral damage or you give
> >> up and lose the war.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >Collateral damage? You just turned into an idiot rather quickly. Duh firebombing Tokyo was collateral damage. Firebombing Hanover was collateral damage. My opinion of you has gone way south.
>
> I can't believe she's so poorly informed.

Why was Hiroshima chosen rather than the seat of Japan's government?

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:53:28 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 09:19:22 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:34:37 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:33:57 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >>
> >> >S Viemeister wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 12/7/2019 3:07 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:20:47 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >> >> >> Julie Bove wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> "jmcquown" wrote:
> >> >> >>>> Jiffy? Too darn sweet!
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Agree.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Not surprising at all that the 2 RCF princesses agree about
> >> >> >> not liking some recipe. lol
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Jiffy products are too sweet for me, too.
> >> >> >
> >> >> And me.
> >> >
> >> >I don't do Jiffy other products but I do like the slightly
> >> >sweetened taste of their cornbread.
> >>
> >> Can you buy bread without added sugar?
> >
> >Jiff is a baking mix, not a finished product.
> >
> >Northerners like cornbread with sugar in it. They treat it like
> >muffins.
> >
> >It's trivially easy to make cornbread at home without sugar. Or
> >with sugar, if that's where your preferences lie.
>
> At home you can do anything you want. But can you buy bread (not
> cornbread) without added sugar in a supermarket?

I have no idea. I don't buy bread at the supermarket.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:56:14 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:40:29 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 03:34:33 +1100, Bruce >
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >snip
> >>
> >>Can you buy bread without added sugar?
> >
> >yes you can. But, there are two different approaches to making bread
> >to achieve different kinds of results. I don't think that your remark
> >was meant to include all of that. There's flour/salt/leaven/water
> >approach. Then there is the enriched bread which may be made with
> >milk/eggs/sugar/flour/salt/ leaven. (the ingredients in enriched bread
> >can and are changed to make different kinds of bread)
>
> Yes, I was referring to flour/salt/leaven/water bread. Some things
> become harder and harder to buy (in a supermarket at least) without
> added sugar. Gherkins for instance.

I presume you mean pickled cucumbers? It's extremely easy to buy
pickled cucumbers without sugar.

You are confused again. On a previous occasion we were discussing
bread-and-butter pickles, which are made with sugar even at home.
It's part of the recipe and always has been.

Cindy Hamilton

Bruce wrote:
>
> dsi1 wrote:
> >We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
> >
> >Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8 black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
>
> You finally got my country right! Praise the White Man's Lord!

WOW MOM !
Just gotta love the Christmas twist in RFC.

My goodness. Christmas should only be about a peaceful
happy, get together with loved ones, time. Hey, at least
just ONE day a year.

I always hear about all the various conflicts it causes.
I've never understood that.

On 2019-12-09 6:04 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:49:28 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:34:41 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love

>>>> You can't. Either you learn to live with collateral damage or
>>>> you give up and lose the war.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> Collateral damage? You just turned into an idiot rather quickly.
>>> Duh firebombing Tokyo was collateral damage. Firebombing Hanover
>>> was collateral damage. My opinion of you has gone way south.
>>
>> I can't believe she's so poorly informed.
>
> Why was Hiroshima chosen rather than the seat of Japan's government?
>

Maybe they needed the emperor to announce the peace.
FWIW, the Japanese when on a spree or looting, raping and murdering in
the Chinese city of Nanking. Just about every female between the ages
of 7 and 70 was raped and murdered and their bodies were often
mutilated. The men were brutally murdered with some of the most gruesome
methods. They were often bound into groups with barbed wire, doused
with gasoline and set on fire. The officers would have Chinese men
lined up and then have head shopping contests. This rape and murder went
on for more than two weeks and the number of Chinese who were
systematically and brutally murdered was more than double the number of
victims at Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

On 2019-12-09 6:08 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:56:14 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

>> Yes, I was referring to flour/salt/leaven/water bread. Some things
>> become harder and harder to buy (in a supermarket at least) without
>> added sugar. Gherkins for instance.
>
> I presume you mean pickled cucumbers? It's extremely easy to buy
> pickled cucumbers without sugar.
>
> You are confused again. On a previous occasion we were discussing
> bread-and-butter pickles, which are made with sugar even at home.
> It's part of the recipe and always has been.

What?? They aren't made with bread and butter?

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Bruce wrote:
> >can you buy bread without added sugar in a supermarket?
>
> I have no idea. I don't buy bread at the supermarket.

I do. I just looked at the 2 most common breads that I
buy. White bread and 12-grain whole wheat bread.

Both do include sugar but it's way down on the ingredient
list. It's just a tiny bit for flavoring. It IS a useful
flavoring but shouldn't be abused.

Don't have any rye at the moment but it probable has
some sugar in there too. Oh, the horrors!

Many here are not normal people and talk a bit uppity.
"It contains sugar? GASP!@ I can't imagine eating that!"

:-D

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >
> > > Gary wrote:
> > > > Q: Do you know what shoyu is?
> > > >
> > > > So far, I asked 2 neighbors here as I talked to them
> > > > this morning and neither had a clue.
> > >
> > > That's scarcely a scientific survey.
> >
> > It's an unbiased survey. I'm asking random people.
>
> No, you're not asking random people. You're asking people whom
> you encounter. They all have that in common. They all encountered
> you.

Get real, Cindar. Such a desperate argument. That's actually
a very stupid argument.

I have no idea what ppl that I randomly ask eat. It's a fair
unbiased poll.

For a "biased" poll, go to a democrat political rally and ask
people, "Democrat or Republican?" Easy to guess the results.

Many people in my neighborhood are Navy personel. If I asked
only them, no doubt most would know what shoyu is. I guarantee
you that cshank here knows. She's been stationed in Hawaii
and Japan.

Bruce wrote:
>
> I think that all western countries are a melting pot when it comes to
> food, these days. But you also still have "meat and 3 veg" kind of
> people. More like "meat, potatoes and 1 veg" probably, but anyway.
> Their biggest food adventure is westernised Chinese in restaurants.

Most likely in many cases. Does that bother you? If so, why?

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 10:45:00 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Bruce wrote:
>> >can you buy bread without added sugar in a supermarket?
>>
>> I have no idea. I don't buy bread at the supermarket.
>
>I do. I just looked at the 2 most common breads that I
>buy. White bread and 12-grain whole wheat bread.
>
>Both do include sugar but it's way down on the ingredient
>list. It's just a tiny bit for flavoring. It IS a useful
>flavoring but shouldn't be abused.
>
>Don't have any rye at the moment but it probable has
>some sugar in there too. Oh, the horrors!
>
>Many here are not normal people and talk a bit uppity.
>"It contains sugar? GASP!@ I can't imagine eating that!"
>
> :-D

nobody was uppity until you . Bruce was the one who asked about sugar
in bread because of the cornbread thread and that only came up because
some folks don't care for sugar in cornbread. He wanted to know if
cornbread mix or the bread itself could be purchased without the
sugar. Just a plain old, everyday question about food in this food
group. Don't be always trying to start a snit fest, that's so girly.
Janet US

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 03:08:26 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:56:14 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:40:29 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 03:34:33 +1100, Bruce >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >snip
>> >>
>> >>Can you buy bread without added sugar?
>> >
>> >yes you can. But, there are two different approaches to making bread
>> >to achieve different kinds of results. I don't think that your remark
>> >was meant to include all of that. There's flour/salt/leaven/water
>> >approach. Then there is the enriched bread which may be made with
>> >milk/eggs/sugar/flour/salt/ leaven. (the ingredients in enriched bread
>> >can and are changed to make different kinds of bread)
>>
>> Yes, I was referring to flour/salt/leaven/water bread. Some things
>> become harder and harder to buy (in a supermarket at least) without
>> added sugar. Gherkins for instance.
>
>I presume you mean pickled cucumbers? It's extremely easy to buy
>pickled cucumbers without sugar.
>
>You are confused again. On a previous occasion we were discussing
>bread-and-butter pickles, which are made with sugar even at home.
>It's part of the recipe and always has been.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I just assumed that sweet pickles as well as vinegar pickles were in
every culture. But, maybe not.
Janet US

On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 10:45:38 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gary wrote:
> > > > > Q: Do you know what shoyu is?
> > > > >
> > > > > So far, I asked 2 neighbors here as I talked to them
> > > > > this morning and neither had a clue.
> > > >
> > > > That's scarcely a scientific survey.
> > >
> > > It's an unbiased survey. I'm asking random people.
> >
> > No, you're not asking random people. You're asking people whom
> > you encounter. They all have that in common. They all encountered
> > you.
>
> Get real, Cindar. Such a desperate argument. That's actually
> a very stupid argument.

It is a very valid argument if you know anything about statistical
methods.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_bias>

> I have no idea what ppl that I randomly ask eat. It's a fair
> unbiased poll.

No, it isn't. You are selecting the people. Your use of the word
"random" is incorrect.

Cindy Hamilton

"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>
> nobody was uppity until you .

LOL. I'll eat most things and only get picked on for the
ingredients and you call me uppity? Go figure.

> Bruce was the one who asked about sugar
> in bread because of the cornbread thread and that only came up because
> some folks don't care for sugar in cornbread. He wanted to know if
> cornbread mix or the bread itself could be purchased without the
> sugar. Just a plain old, everyday question about food in this food
> group.

Twist and shout.
He asked about supermarket bread in general and I answered that.
I told him that my two brands do contain sugar but many
"uppity" here will frown on that. I know Bruce does.

> Don't be always trying to start a snit fest, that's so girly.

Acting "girly?" Comparing me to women?
Are you saying that females are wrong and trivial?

On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 11:08:14 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 03:08:26 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:56:14 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:40:29 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 03:34:33 +1100, Bruce >
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >snip
> >> >>
> >> >>Can you buy bread without added sugar?
> >> >
> >> >yes you can. But, there are two different approaches to making bread
> >> >to achieve different kinds of results. I don't think that your remark
> >> >was meant to include all of that. There's flour/salt/leaven/water
> >> >approach. Then there is the enriched bread which may be made with
> >> >milk/eggs/sugar/flour/salt/ leaven. (the ingredients in enriched bread
> >> >can and are changed to make different kinds of bread)
> >>
> >> Yes, I was referring to flour/salt/leaven/water bread. Some things
> >> become harder and harder to buy (in a supermarket at least) without
> >> added sugar. Gherkins for instance.
> >
> >I presume you mean pickled cucumbers? It's extremely easy to buy
> >pickled cucumbers without sugar.
> >
> >You are confused again. On a previous occasion we were discussing
> >bread-and-butter pickles, which are made with sugar even at home.
> >It's part of the recipe and always has been.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> I just assumed that sweet pickles as well as vinegar pickles were in
> every culture. But, maybe not.
> Janet US

He's just a jerk.

One of the best known pickles for the famous multi-course rijsttafel, a bountiful spectacle developed by Dutch-Indonesians to display their comestible power, is atjar tjampoer, mixed pickles of shredded vegetables. It's typically seasoned with sambal oelek, Indonesia's ubiquitous spicy pepper sauce, as well as ginger, turmeric, vinegar, and sugar.

<https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/01/14/169353365/mixed-pickle-the-sweet-and-sour-legacy-of-dutch-trade>

Cindy

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:49:28 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:34:41 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:47:16 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 9:51:53 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 04:29:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> > > >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
> >> > > >> > wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> >> > > >> >> > wrote:
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
> >> > > >> >> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
> >> > > >> >> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> >> > > >> >> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> >> > > >> >> your huge bias.
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
> >> > > >> >killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
> >> > > >> >ended it??
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
> >> > > >> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
> >> > > >> problem, not the solution.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >How do you teach bombs not to kill innocents, especially with WWII tech?
> >> > >
> >> > > If you throw an atomic bomb on a city, your intention is to kill
> >> > > innocent civilians and lots of them.
> >> >
> >> > Cindy's statement was moronic. Not only atomics, Tokyo was firebombed like crazy.
> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo
> >>
> >> Cindy's statement was not moronic. When industrial or military targets
> >> are located near population centers, how do you ensure (using WWII tech)
> >> that only the targets will be hit?
> >>
> >> You can't. Either you learn to live with collateral damage or you give
> >> up and lose the war.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >Collateral damage? You just turned into an idiot rather quickly. Duh firebombing Tokyo was collateral damage. Firebombing Hanover was collateral damage. My opinion of you has gone way south.
>
> I can't believe she's so poorly informed.

Brainwashing at it's finest. I find it hard to believe that someone as intelligent as her would come up with something like that. Collateral damage.
My aunt lived in Hanover during WW2, and she bore witness to this collateral damage nonsense. White Phosphorous. The devil's chemical. She never got hit, but saw what it did to people. Lungs burned out. People who were wounded with fire and could walk jumped into a lake in Hanover to put out the fire that was burning them. They did succeed in putting out the fire, but when they resurfaced, that crap started to burn again. She told me once, and once only about this. And she started to cry. Collateral damage. Right. And then there is the filth that would blame it on the Germans for being an enemy of the Crown and friends. It's ****ing disgusting the way some people think. Oh yeah. I've got to mention theee holocaust again, because I've been called out for not mentioning the holocaust whenever I mention atrocities committed by the allies. The holocaust agin the Jews was terrible. So were many holocausts and acts of genocide committed by people against other people throughout the ages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 11:23:36 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>>
>> nobody was uppity until you .
>

My comment applies to you interjecting uppity, a deliberate intent to
create friction. Has absolutely nothing to do with what you eat but
how to act.

>LOL. I'll eat most things and only get picked on for the
>ingredients and you call me uppity? Go figure.
>
>> Bruce was the one who asked about sugar
>> in bread because of the cornbread thread and that only came up because
>> some folks don't care for sugar in cornbread. He wanted to know if
>> cornbread mix or the bread itself could be purchased without the
>> sugar. Just a plain old, everyday question about food in this food
>> group.
>
>Twist and shout.
>He asked about supermarket bread in general and I answered that.
>I told him that my two brands do contain sugar but many
>"uppity" here will frown on that. I know Bruce does.
>

Why bring it up? The question was already answered a couple of times
and was apparently satisfactory to most.
>> Don't be always trying to start a snit fest, that's so girly.
>

>Acting "girly?" Comparing me to women?
>Are you saying that females are wrong and trivial?

Girly has nothing to do with women but rather anyone who just whines
and starts arguments to be the center of attention.
Janet US

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 08:26:29 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 11:08:14 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 03:08:26 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:56:14 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:40:29 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 03:34:33 +1100, Bruce >
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >snip
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Can you buy bread without added sugar?
>> >> >
>> >> >yes you can. But, there are two different approaches to making bread
>> >> >to achieve different kinds of results. I don't think that your remark
>> >> >was meant to include all of that. There's flour/salt/leaven/water
>> >> >approach. Then there is the enriched bread which may be made with
>> >> >milk/eggs/sugar/flour/salt/ leaven. (the ingredients in enriched bread
>> >> >can and are changed to make different kinds of bread)
>> >>
>> >> Yes, I was referring to flour/salt/leaven/water bread. Some things
>> >> become harder and harder to buy (in a supermarket at least) without
>> >> added sugar. Gherkins for instance.
>> >
>> >I presume you mean pickled cucumbers? It's extremely easy to buy
>> >pickled cucumbers without sugar.
>> >
>> >You are confused again. On a previous occasion we were discussing
>> >bread-and-butter pickles, which are made with sugar even at home.
>> >It's part of the recipe and always has been.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I just assumed that sweet pickles as well as vinegar pickles were in
>> every culture. But, maybe not.
>> Janet US
>
>He's just a jerk.
>
>One of the best known pickles for the famous multi-course rijsttafel, a bountiful spectacle developed by Dutch-Indonesians to display their comestible power, is atjar tjampoer, mixed pickles of shredded vegetables. It's typically seasoned with sambal oelek, Indonesia's ubiquitous spicy pepper sauce, as well as ginger, turmeric, vinegar, and sugar.
>
><https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/01/14/169353365/mixed-pickle-the-sweet-and-sour-legacy-of-dutch-trade>
>
>Cindy

I could eat what is in that photo right this minute. No herring in
the house ;( Thanks for the article
Janet US

jmcquown wrote:
>
> I have absolutely nothing against buying frozen mac & cheese.
> Stouffer's brand is good.

I think I might have tried that once long ago, Jill.
I think it was good but don't remember. Stouffer's
products are decent, imo. Good quick lasagna they sell.

> I've tried but not been impressed by the
> Michelina's brand so I haven't looked for the specific type you're
> referring to (with spiced ground beef bits).

I've tried a few of the Michelina's brand dinners. As you
say, not impressed with most even though the picture on
the box and ingredients sound good. Mainly, the mac&cheese
one with beef bits was pretty darn tasty. The seasoned
beef bits made it. Just tiny pea sized beef. I'll buy
one occasionally as a quick late night snack.

> My mother used to make mac
> & cheese with ground beef seasoned with taco seasoning.

My mother used to make a good cheesy one using elbow mac
and velveeta cheese. Nice and I especially loved the browned
cheese on top. Never any beef included.

As an adult, I've never been a M&C fan but I will enjoy a
good one occasionally. I've never made it from scratch
though.

Tried that boxed Kraft version once. Complete yuk!
Cook the noodles then add packet of dried cheese powder
maybe with milk? Not good at all.

Of my 2 regular grocery stores, Food Lion sells them.
(The frozen Michelina ones(
I'll pick up a box or 2 and scan the lid. Again...
I just like that bit of extra flavored beef addition.
They did good there, imo.

On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 11:44:19 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:49:28 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:34:41 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:47:16 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
> > >> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 9:51:53 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > >> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 04:29:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > >> > > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > >> > > >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
> > >> > > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> > >> > > >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
> > >> > > >> >> > wrote:
> > >> > > >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
> > >> > > >> >> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
> > >> > > >> >> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
> > >> > > >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> > >> > > >> >> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> > >> > > >> >> your huge bias.
> > >> > > >> >>
> > >> > > >> >What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
> > >> > > >> >killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
> > >> > > >> >ended it??
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
> > >> > > >> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
> > >> > > >> problem, not the solution.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >How do you teach bombs not to kill innocents, especially with WWII tech?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If you throw an atomic bomb on a city, your intention is to kill
> > >> > > innocent civilians and lots of them.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cindy's statement was moronic. Not only atomics, Tokyo was firebombed like crazy.
> > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo
> > >>
> > >> Cindy's statement was not moronic. When industrial or military targets
> > >> are located near population centers, how do you ensure (using WWII tech)
> > >> that only the targets will be hit?
> > >>
> > >> You can't. Either you learn to live with collateral damage or you give
> > >> up and lose the war.
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > >Collateral damage? You just turned into an idiot rather quickly. Duh firebombing Tokyo was collateral damage. Firebombing Hanover was collateral damage. My opinion of you has gone way south.
> >
> > I can't believe she's so poorly informed.
>
> Brainwashing at it's finest. I find it hard to believe that someone as intelligent as her would come up with something like that.

No, I'm not stupid. War is a dirty business. Anybody who thinks differently
is deluded. Until we deliver bullets with GPS tracking, there always
will be deaths of innocents.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 09:51:54 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 12/7/2019 8:18 AM, Gary wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll make them if there happens to be some mac and cheese in the fridge.
>>
>> Speaking of mac&cheese. There is a very tasty and cheap frozen
>> mac&cheese dinner available. I think it's Michelina's brand.
>> 8oz box that includes very nicely spiced ground beef bits.
>> The small beef addition takes the M&C over the top.
>>
>> Many here will be horrified at the thought of eating such a
>> thing but I don't care. It's their loss.
>>
>I have absolutely nothing against buying frozen mac & cheese.
>Stouffer's brand is good.

Stouffer's Macaroni & Cheese
"skim milk, water, cheddar cheese (milk, cheese cultures, salt,
enzymes, annatto color), cheddar club cheese (cheddar cheese [cultured
milk, salt, enzymes], water, salt, annatto color), bleached wheat
flour, margarine (soybean oil, water, vegetable mono and diglycerides,
salt, natural flavor, vitamin a palmitate added, vitamin d3), soybean
oil, salt, potassium chloride, xanthan gum, yeast extract, lactic
acid, calcium lactate"

Good stuff! They're spoiling y'all with the xanthan gum!

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 03:08:26 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:56:14 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:40:29 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 03:34:33 +1100, Bruce >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >snip
>> >>
>> >>Can you buy bread without added sugar?
>> >
>> >yes you can. But, there are two different approaches to making bread
>> >to achieve different kinds of results. I don't think that your remark
>> >was meant to include all of that. There's flour/salt/leaven/water
>> >approach. Then there is the enriched bread which may be made with
>> >milk/eggs/sugar/flour/salt/ leaven. (the ingredients in enriched bread
>> >can and are changed to make different kinds of bread)
>>
>> Yes, I was referring to flour/salt/leaven/water bread. Some things
>> become harder and harder to buy (in a supermarket at least) without
>> added sugar. Gherkins for instance.
>
>I presume you mean pickled cucumbers? It's extremely easy to buy
>pickled cucumbers without sugar.
>
>You are confused again. On a previous occasion we were discussing
>bread-and-butter pickles, which are made with sugar even at home.
>It's part of the recipe and always has been.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Yes, fermented cukes contaiin no added sugar... fermented are the only
pickles I like... mostly I grow and make my own, I add no vinegar
either, just water, salt, spices, and herbs. You essentially need to
grow your own as fresh pickling cukes are near impossible to find at
market. However there are other vegetables that can be pickled by the
fermentation method, ie. green tomatoes, carrots, and of course
cabbage (kraut)... qnd you really need to grow your own cabbages too
as those at market are generally a few weeks past harvest. The
fermentation process can continue for months but it's important to
begin with freshly harvested vegetables.

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 08:44:14 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

>On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:49:28 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:34:41 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:47:16 AM UTC-5, A Moose in Love wrote:
>> >> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 9:51:53 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> >> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 04:29:28 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> >> > > > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> >> > > >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
>> >> > > >> > wrote:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> >On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
>> >> > > >> >> > wrote:
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >> >We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>> >> > > >> >> >themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>> >> > > >> >> >more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>> >> > > >> >> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>> >> > > >> >> your huge bias.
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
>> >> > > >> >killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
>> >> > > >> >ended it??
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
>> >> > > >> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
>> >> > > >> problem, not the solution.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >How do you teach bombs not to kill innocents, especially with WWII tech?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If you throw an atomic bomb on a city, your intention is to kill
>> >> > > innocent civilians and lots of them.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cindy's statement was moronic. Not only atomics, Tokyo was firebombed like crazy.
>> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo
>> >>
>> >> Cindy's statement was not moronic. When industrial or military targets
>> >> are located near population centers, how do you ensure (using WWII tech)
>> >> that only the targets will be hit?
>> >>
>> >> You can't. Either you learn to live with collateral damage or you give
>> >> up and lose the war.
>> >>
>> >> Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> >Collateral damage? You just turned into an idiot rather quickly. Duh firebombing Tokyo was collateral damage. Firebombing Hanover was collateral damage. My opinion of you has gone way south.
>>
>> I can't believe she's so poorly informed.
>
>Brainwashing at it's finest. I find it hard to believe that someone as intelligent as her would come up with something like that. Collateral damage.
>My aunt lived in Hanover during WW2, and she bore witness to this collateral damage nonsense. White Phosphorous. The devil's chemical. She never got hit, but saw what it did to people. Lungs burned out. People who were wounded with fire and could walk jumped into a lake in Hanover to put out the fire that was burning them. They did succeed in putting out the fire, but when they resurfaced, that crap started to burn again. She told me once, and once only about this. And she started to cry. Collateral damage. Right. And then there is the filth that would blame it on the Germans for being an enemy of the Crown and friends. It's ****ing disgusting the way some people think. Oh yeah. I've got to mention theee holocaust again, because I've been called out for not mentioning the holocaust whenever I mention atrocities committed by the allies. The holocaust agin the Jews was terrible. So were many holocausts and acts of genocide committed by people against other people
>throughout the ages.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history

Both sides have committed atrocities, but the Holocaust alone is
enough of a reason why I'll always be on the side of the Allies. And I
ain't even Jewish.

Other than that, I agree with the brainwashing. "Collateral damage"...
puke.

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 09:44:59 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 11:44:19 AM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:49:28 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:34:41 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love

>> > >Collateral damage? You just turned into an idiot rather quickly. Duh firebombing Tokyo was collateral damage. Firebombing Hanover was collateral damage. My opinion of you has gone way south.
>> >
>> > I can't believe she's so poorly informed.
>>
>> Brainwashing at it's finest. I find it hard to believe that someone as intelligent as her would come up with something like that.
>
>No, I'm not stupid. War is a dirty business. Anybody who thinks differently
>is deluded. Until we deliver bullets with GPS tracking, there always
>will be deaths of innocents.

They were aiming for the innocents. Is this really so hard to
understand?

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 09:04:09 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> dsi1 wrote:
>> >We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
>> >
>> >Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8 black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
>>
>> You finally got my country right! Praise the White Man's Lord!
>
>WOW MOM !
>Just gotta love the Christmas twist in RFC.
>
>My goodness. Christmas should only be about a peaceful
>happy, get together with loved ones, time. Hey, at least
>just ONE day a year.

Well, it's not the 25th yet.

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 10:46:32 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> >
>> > It's an unbiased survey. I'm asking random people.
>>
>> No, you're not asking random people. You're asking people whom
>> you encounter. They all have that in common. They all encountered
>> you.
>
>Get real, Cindar. Such a desperate argument. That's actually
>a very stupid argument.
>
>I have no idea what ppl that I randomly ask eat. It's a fair
>unbiased poll.
>
>For a "biased" poll, go to a democrat political rally and ask
>people, "Democrat or Republican?" Easy to guess the results.
>
>Many people in my neighborhood are Navy personel. If I asked
>only them, no doubt most would know what shoyu is. I guarantee
>you that cshank here knows.

That's cshenk for you. Or cshenkie if she's being silly.

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 11:04:37 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> I think that all western countries are a melting pot when it comes to
>> food, these days. But you also still have "meat and 3 veg" kind of
>> people. More like "meat, potatoes and 1 veg" probably, but anyway.
>> Their biggest food adventure is westernised Chinese in restaurants.
>
>Most likely in many cases. Does that bother you? If so, why?

It doesn't bother me in the least. There are also people who watch
daytime soaps. That doesn't bother me either. Enjoy!

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 10:45:00 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Bruce wrote:
>> >can you buy bread without added sugar in a supermarket?
>>
>> I have no idea. I don't buy bread at the supermarket.
>
>I do. I just looked at the 2 most common breads that I
>buy. White bread and 12-grain whole wheat bread.
>
>Both do include sugar but it's way down on the ingredient
>list. It's just a tiny bit for flavoring. It IS a useful
>flavoring but shouldn't be abused.

Regular bread doesn't need it at all.

>Don't have any rye at the moment but it probable has
>some sugar in there too. Oh, the horrors!
>
>Many here are not normal people and talk a bit uppity.
>"It contains sugar? GASP!@ I can't imagine eating that!"

Not wanting sugar where it's not needed is uppity? It doesn't take
much.

On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 12:43:50 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 02:32:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:47:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 01:39:21 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
> >> >
> >> >Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8 black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
> >>
> >> You finally got my country right! Praise the White Man's Lord!
> >
> >Yoose guys blow my mind. But not in a good way.
> >
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Oi15ND9tU
>
> Cultural differences, you know But the Dutch politically correct
> left-wing Amsterdam minority shares your feelings. Which puts me in a
> difficult position, because I'm left-wing but not politically correct.

Like most homogeneous societies, you people don't trust outsiders and think foreigners are funny and like to poke fun at them. That's not cool. We can't do that so we have to poke fun at ourselves. In this way shall we become speshial.

If you consider respecting other peoples and cultures to be "politically correct" it probably means you're a raging racist. One day the Lord shall smite thee from the face of the world. Well maybe not the Lord. Perhaps the Chinese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R15IQAVT7Rg

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 08:26:29 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 11:08:14 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 03:08:26 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:56:14 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:40:29 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 03:34:33 +1100, Bruce >
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >snip
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Can you buy bread without added sugar?
>> >> >
>> >> >yes you can. But, there are two different approaches to making bread
>> >> >to achieve different kinds of results. I don't think that your remark
>> >> >was meant to include all of that. There's flour/salt/leaven/water
>> >> >approach. Then there is the enriched bread which may be made with
>> >> >milk/eggs/sugar/flour/salt/ leaven. (the ingredients in enriched bread
>> >> >can and are changed to make different kinds of bread)
>> >>
>> >> Yes, I was referring to flour/salt/leaven/water bread. Some things
>> >> become harder and harder to buy (in a supermarket at least) without
>> >> added sugar. Gherkins for instance.
>> >
>> >I presume you mean pickled cucumbers? It's extremely easy to buy
>> >pickled cucumbers without sugar.
>> >
>> >You are confused again. On a previous occasion we were discussing
>> >bread-and-butter pickles, which are made with sugar even at home.
>> >It's part of the recipe and always has been.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I just assumed that sweet pickles as well as vinegar pickles were in
>> every culture. But, maybe not.
>> Janet US
>
>He's just a jerk.

Huh, me?

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 10:39:58 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 12:43:50 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 02:32:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:47:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 01:39:21 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
>> >> >
>> >> >Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8 black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
>> >>
>> >> You finally got my country right! Praise the White Man's Lord!
>> >
>> >Yoose guys blow my mind. But not in a good way.
>> >
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Oi15ND9tU
>>
>> Cultural differences, you know But the Dutch politically correct
>> left-wing Amsterdam minority shares your feelings. Which puts me in a
>> difficult position, because I'm left-wing but not politically correct.
>
>Like most homogeneous societies, you people don't trust outsiders and think foreigners are funny and like to poke fun at them. That's not cool. We can't do that so we have to poke fun at ourselves. In this way shall we become speshial.

Dutch society was pretty homogenous until the 50s/60s. It's not
homogenous anymore. I think that's a good thing if it doesn't go
overboard with the intolerant Muslims.

>If you consider respecting other peoples and cultures to be "politically correct" it probably means you're a raging racist. One day the Lord shall smite thee from the face of the world. Well maybe not the Lord. Perhaps the Chinese.

If I had to explain to you why the black helpers aren't racist, I'd
have to rehash a discussion that I've been hearing over and over again
in the Netherlands for the past 10 years. No thanks.

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 13:29:55 -0500, wrote:

>On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 03:08:26 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 4:56:14 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:40:29 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 03:34:33 +1100, Bruce >
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >snip
>>> >>
>>> >>Can you buy bread without added sugar?
>>> >
>>> >yes you can. But, there are two different approaches to making bread
>>> >to achieve different kinds of results. I don't think that your remark
>>> >was meant to include all of that. There's flour/salt/leaven/water
>>> >approach. Then there is the enriched bread which may be made with
>>> >milk/eggs/sugar/flour/salt/ leaven. (the ingredients in enriched bread
>>> >can and are changed to make different kinds of bread)
>>>
>>> Yes, I was referring to flour/salt/leaven/water bread. Some things
>>> become harder and harder to buy (in a supermarket at least) without
>>> added sugar. Gherkins for instance.
>>
>>I presume you mean pickled cucumbers? It's extremely easy to buy
>>pickled cucumbers without sugar.
>>
>>You are confused again. On a previous occasion we were discussing
>>bread-and-butter pickles, which are made with sugar even at home.
>>It's part of the recipe and always has been.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>Yes, fermented cukes contaiin no added sugar...

Thank you.

On 2019 Dec 7, , Bruce wrote
(in >):

> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> your huge bias.

Make that three. We learned history. Dont judge the past. Learn from it.
That principle is sorely lacking in Western society today, or you would know
better.

leo

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 13:04:13 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2019 Dec 7, , Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>> your huge bias.
>
>Make that three. We learned history. Dont judge the past. Learn from it.
>That principle is sorely lacking in Western society today, or you would know
>better.

Learning from it, sure. But that would imply being able to condemn
such atrocities 70 years later.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 12:43:50 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 02:32:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:47:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 01:39:21 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other
> >> >country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him celebrate
> >> >this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
> >> >
> >> >Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer
> >> >boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8
> >> >black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
> >>
> >> You finally got my country right! Praise the White Man's Lord!
> >
> >Yoose guys blow my mind. But not in a good way.
> >
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Oi15ND9tU
>
> Cultural differences, you know But the Dutch politically correct
> left-wing Amsterdam minority shares your feelings. Which puts me in a
> difficult position, because I'm left-wing but not politically correct.

Like most homogeneous societies, you people don't trust outsiders and think
foreigners are funny and like to poke fun at them. That's not cool. We can't
do that so we have to poke fun at ourselves. In this way shall we become
speshial.

If you consider respecting other peoples and cultures to be "politically
correct" it probably means you're a raging racist. One day the Lord shall
smite thee from the face of the world. Well maybe not the Lord. Perhaps the
Chinese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R15IQAVT7Rg

===

Awww I was expecting Israel Kamakawiwoole He is a favourite here)

On 2019 Dec 7, , Bruce wrote
(in >):

> I've never understood bombing non military targets. Of course, the
> Germans did it too.

You dont have to understand anything about war. You have to live it when
it shows up.

leo