On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 11:04:12 AM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
> On 2019 Dec 7, , Bruce wrote
> (in >):
>
> > That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
> > civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
> > your huge bias.
>
> Make that three. We learned history. Dont judge the past. Learn from it.
> That principle is sorely lacking in Western society today, or you would know
> better.
>
> leo

People don't learn from the past. They always think that they're different from people of the past. They always believe that that shit can't happen here. This movie was very good at showing how it all went down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfYkl2nOGxw

On 2019 Dec 7, , Bruce wrote
(in >):

> You're trying to justify the atrocity because your country committed
> it. You haven't learnt a thing from it.

To completely win a war, you break the will of the citizens. The last war
that the U.S. engaged in where that was done was WWII. Putting restrictions
on the military engages you in a dilettante war of indecision. Thats all
Ive seen in my lifetime. Total war will come again, someday. All it will
take is one properly placed nuke to start. It may only be two countries. It
may be two ideologies which is way, way worse.

leo

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 14:07:41 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2019 Dec 7, , Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> You're trying to justify the atrocity because your country committed
>> it. You haven't learnt a thing from it.
>
>To completely win a war, you break the will of the citizens. The last war
>that the U.S. engaged in where that was done was WWII. Putting restrictions
>on the military engages you in a dilettante war of indecision. Thats all
>Ive seen in my lifetime. Total war will come again, someday. All it will
>take is one properly placed nuke to start. It may only be two countries. It
>may be two ideologies which is way, way worse.

So I guess the US lost the Vietnam war because the will of the US
people was broken?

On 2019-12-09 5:07 p.m., Leo wrote:
> On 2019 Dec 7, , Bruce wrote (in
> >):
>
>> You're trying to justify the atrocity because your country
>> committed it. You haven't learnt a thing from it.
>
> To completely win a war, you break the will of the citizens. The last
> war that the U.S. engaged in where that was done was WWII. Putting
> restrictions on the military engages you in a dilettante war of
> indecision. Thats all Ive seen in my lifetime. Total war will come
> again, someday. All it will take is one properly placed nuke to
> start. It may only be two countries. It may be two ideologies which
> is way, way worse.
>

Limited warfare has been tried. The US tried it in Vietnam. They tried
to lure the Viet Cong onto the battlefield so they would wipe them out
on the battlefield. Much of the war was spent being sniped at and
calling in the heavy weapons, leading to "collateral damage", which
often led to the recruitment of 20 more guerillas. Iraq was a
cluster**** that saw the Iraqi army disappear and then reappear in am
insurgency that is still going on. Then there is the corruption and
shifting alliances in Afghanistan that is still festering a decade and
a half later.

The US probably could have been victorious there if they had just gone
in with bombs and artillery and turned the country into a pile of
rubble,like they did with Germany. They probably would have used less
munitions and lost fewer men than they have over last decade and a half
where they tried to flush out the Islamists and used smart bombs to
conduct surgical strikes.

There are international laws against that sort of thing, and there are
national laws that would prevent their armed forces from doing it. It's
not pretty and no one wants to do it, even though it is the way WWII was
won.

On 2019 Dec 8, , Gary wrote
(in article >):

> The two bombs ended the war quickly rather than extend it with
> even more people being killed.

Stalin was nearing the invasion of Hokkaido when the bombs went off. Google
€œStalin Japan invasion€� if Im doubted. Had the Russians beat the rest
of the Allies to Japan, the world would look a whole lot different. A true
monster would have been unleashed on the Japanese civilians. Judging our
forebears is a worthless pseudo-intellectual exercise that may set a fools
brain on fire.

leo

On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 12:07:41 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
> On 2019 Dec 7, , Bruce wrote
> (in >):
>
> > You're trying to justify the atrocity because your country committed
> > it. You haven't learnt a thing from it.
>
> To completely win a war, you break the will of the citizens. The last war
> that the U.S. engaged in where that was done was WWII. Putting restrictions
> on the military engages you in a dilettante war of indecision. Thats all
> Ive seen in my lifetime. Total war will come again, someday. All it will
> take is one properly placed nuke to start. It may only be two countries. It
> may be two ideologies which is way, way worse.
>
> leo

In the case of WWII, it was the Emperor that had the power to end the war. The Emperor could have followed the advice of his advisors and continued on with the war. The US could have dropped nukes until there were no more nukes and then invaded. In the end, the one guy that could have ended the war at that point, did.

My dad was in Japan during the occupation. He would walk on the streets and the people would move out of his way and look down. He said it was the most pitiful thing he had ever seen. Indeed, the will of the citizens had been broken down. OTOH, it might have been in their culture to clear the way and bow down whenever an person of rank went by so perhaps my dad was mistaken.

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 14:32:03 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2019 Dec 8, , Gary wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> The two bombs ended the war quickly rather than extend it with
>> even more people being killed.
>
>Stalin was nearing the invasion of Hokkaido when the bombs went off. Google
>€œStalin Japan invasion€� if Im doubted. Had the Russians beat the rest
>of the Allies to Japan, the world would look a whole lot different. A true
>monster would have been unleashed on the Japanese civilians. Judging our
>forebears is a worthless pseudo-intellectual exercise that may set a fools
>brain on fire.

An atrocity is an atrocity. Holocaust, atomic bombs, Vietnam War,
9/11, just to mention a few.

On 2019 Dec 9, , Bruce wrote
(in >):

> An atrocity is an atrocity. Holocaust, atomic bombs, Vietnam War,
> 9/11, just to mention a few.

And they will continue throughout the remainder of human history. I have a
far more jaundiced view of €œus€� than you do.

leo

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 15:05:49 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2019 Dec 9, , Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> An atrocity is an atrocity. Holocaust, atomic bombs, Vietnam War,
>> 9/11, just to mention a few.
>
>And they will continue throughout the remainder of human history. I have a
>far more jaundiced view of €œus€� than you do.

Yes, they will continue to happen. And we shouldn't stop criticising
it.

On 2019 Dec 9, , Bruce wrote
(in >):

> So I guess the US lost the Vietnam war because the will of the US
> people was broken?

Nope. That was when the press turned against a government that was never
committed in the first place. Its the only time in my lifetime that the
press turned against a Democrat leader. The only time. Some of us read
something into that single press betrayal. The national media, with one
exception, has been in the Democrat bag my whole life. No wonder Im a
cynic.

leo

On 2019 Dec 9, , Dave Smith wrote
(in article >):

> There are international laws against that sort of thing, and there are
> national laws that would prevent their armed forces from doing it. It's
> not pretty and no one wants to do it, even though it is the way WWII was
> won.

When total war starts, and it will someday, international law be damned.
There will be a coalition of the willing if it lasts that long. Im not
nearly as dark as I sound. My SIL made a chicken pie!

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/u4td0tqgxucoo4j/chickenpie.jpg?dl=0>

leo

On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 15:20:50 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2019 Dec 9, , Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> So I guess the US lost the Vietnam war because the will of the US
>> people was broken?
>
>Nope. That was when the press turned against a government that was never
>committed in the first place. Its the only time in my lifetime that the
>press turned against a Democrat leader. The only time. Some of us read
>something into that single press betrayal. The national media, with one
>exception, has been in the Democrat bag my whole life. No wonder Im a
>cynic.

I think that's because media people can read and write and generally
have at least a basic functioning brain. That can't be said of most
Republicans. So media people associate more with Democrats.

On 2019 Dec 9, , dsi1 wrote
(in >):

> My dad was in Japan during the occupation. He would walk on the streets and
> the people would move out of his way and look down. He said it was the most
> pitiful thing he had ever seen. Indeed, the will of the citizens had been
> broken down. OTOH, it might have been in their culture to clear the way and
> bow down whenever an person of rank went by so perhaps my dad was mistaken.

From what I see on TV, and from what I buy, Id say that the capitalist
culture in Asia including Japan, South Korea and the capitalist enclaves in
China are either making their countries boom or are financing communism.
Southeast Asia seems to be awakening from a long, chaotic socialist/communist
sleep as well. The ones at the top in China have reason to worry about what
they have allowed to blossom.

Socialism is a cancer on capitalism. Capitalism is a cancer on socialism.
Youre the futurist. Whats going to happen?

leo

On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 1:47:59 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
> On 2019 Dec 9, , dsi1 wrote
> (in >):
>
> > My dad was in Japan during the occupation. He would walk on the streets and
> > the people would move out of his way and look down. He said it was the most
> > pitiful thing he had ever seen. Indeed, the will of the citizens had been
> > broken down. OTOH, it might have been in their culture to clear the way and
> > bow down whenever an person of rank went by so perhaps my dad was mistaken.
>
> From what I see on TV, and from what I buy, Id say that the capitalist
> culture in Asia including Japan, South Korea and the capitalist enclaves in
> China are either making their countries boom or are financing communism.
> Southeast Asia seems to be awakening from a long, chaotic socialist/communist
> sleep as well. The ones at the top in China have reason to worry about what
> they have allowed to blossom.
>
> Socialism is a cancer on capitalism. Capitalism is a cancer on socialism.
> Youre the futurist. Whats going to happen?
>
> leo

My guess is that a hybrid system would be the most efficient so hopefully that'll happen in the future. OTOH, it's dependant on the rationality of humans so it will be tough to sustain such a system. What we have to do is dampen down the culture of rampant self-interest. That stuff is not sustainable. Mostly it just brings about misery.

I've talked to a couple of Vietnam era vets who have visited VN. They said it was a beautiful country and the visit seemed to make them happy. How unlikely is that? Perhaps going back in country could be a therapy for those vets.

Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 03:11:25 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 5:21:02 PM UTC-5, A Moose in Love
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >>>> I try to avoid commenting on the foods of others so you're right
> that > you can't count the times I've been gobsmacked. How does one
> count > zero? My only comments have mostly been that mainland food
> tends to be > bland and mushy. I don't have any problem with that.
> > > >
> > > > The cuisine mainland US(and I'll include Canada here)is not
> > > > what you think. People were raised on food that their
> > > > ancestors ate. Our cuisine (DonauSchwaben food)was varied.
> > > > Sometimes maybe it was bland, but most of the time it wasn't.
> > > > Ditto for the French, Italians, Brits, Indians, Malaysians etc.
> > > > I like mashed potatoes. They could be considered bland, but
> > > > once they are amped up with a good gravy, WOW!
> > >
> > > Not only that, but many of us eat many more cuisines than we grew
> > > up with. Because of "melting pot", they're all American food now.
> >
> > Gary and Joan are average Americans. They never cook any "ethnic"
> > foods.
>
> Keep in mind this is a big country. Different regions eat different
> things. I was born in the Midwest and grew up on that sort of bland,
> plain food. Apparently BBQ was/is big in certain parts of Kansas but
> I didn't know this until recently as we never ate it.
>
> My parents did eat some Americanized ethnic dishes in restaurants.
> For instance, at a Chinese restaurant, we always got whatever the
> family meal was. My brother and I always went hungry because we did
> not like that stuff at all. Once I was out on my own, I read the menu
> and made my own choices. I still don't like most Chinese food but the
> few dishes I do like, I really like.We do have a lot of Chinese and
> Japanese places here. Some Americanized, some not.
>
> Seafood is big here. My dad did eat that. My mom ate a few things but
> my brother and I never acquired a taste for it. Swedish food is big
> in Ballard (Seattle). I don't like most of that either.
>
> I do love Mexican food. That seems to be more and more common here,
> but most of it is Americanized/Tex Mex. I prefer more traditional
> things like Sopes and street tacos. But there is also a fusion with
> South American foods so I also like things like pupusas.
>
> I think the biggest things in this area are now Thai and Indian
> foods. Tons of Indian groceries and restaurants. Tons of Thai
> restaurants with some Chinese fusion dishes. Oddly enough, both of my
> parents both love certain Thai foods but I can't stand the seasonings.
>
> We don't have a lot of Italians here so our Italian food is mostly
> boring/Americanized and relies heavily on pizza and pasta. But go to
> the East coast, particularly NY and NJ and you'll find lots of good
> Italian food. Also lots of diners owned by Greeks but not featuring
> much in the way of Greek food there.
>
> Foods that might be common in other parts of this country were not
> common here until perhaps the last 30-10 years or so. Stuff like
> biscuits and gravy or grits weren't even on restaurant menus.
> Pierogies (Polish) are common in PA but never need in restaurants
> here but you can find them frozen now.

Well done message Julie.

When I post so many Asian recipes, I explain why my influance lead
there (living in Asia for close to 7 years and Hawaii for 3). But I do
lot more than Asian cookery.

On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:47:00 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 14:32:03 -0800, Leo >
> wrote:
>
> >On 2019 Dec 8, , Gary wrote
> >(in article >):
> >
> >> The two bombs ended the war quickly rather than extend it with
> >> even more people being killed.
> >
> >Stalin was nearing the invasion of Hokkaido when the bombs went off. Google
> >€œStalin Japan invasion€� if Im doubted. Had the Russians beat the rest
> >of the Allies to Japan, the world would look a whole lot different. A true
> >monster would have been unleashed on the Japanese civilians. Judging our
> >forebears is a worthless pseudo-intellectual exercise that may set a fools
> >brain on fire.
>
> An atrocity is an atrocity. Holocaust, atomic bombs, Vietnam War,
> 9/11, just to mention a few.

War has always been filled with atrocities. The only thing new is the
efficiency with which they can be perpetrated.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 02:56:40 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:47:00 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 14:32:03 -0800, Leo >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2019 Dec 8, , Gary wrote
>> >(in article >):
>> >
>> >> The two bombs ended the war quickly rather than extend it with
>> >> even more people being killed.
>> >
>> >Stalin was nearing the invasion of Hokkaido when the bombs went off. Google
>> >€œStalin Japan invasion€� if Im doubted. Had the Russians beat the rest
>> >of the Allies to Japan, the world would look a whole lot different. A true
>> >monster would have been unleashed on the Japanese civilians. Judging our
>> >forebears is a worthless pseudo-intellectual exercise that may set a fools
>> >brain on fire.
>>
>> An atrocity is an atrocity. Holocaust, atomic bombs, Vietnam War,
>> 9/11, just to mention a few.
>
>War has always been filled with atrocities. The only thing new is the
>efficiency with which they can be perpetrated.

People also always get killed, raped and whatnot. That's no reason to
shrug if off.

On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 6:28:44 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 02:56:40 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:47:00 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 14:32:03 -0800, Leo >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 2019 Dec 8, , Gary wrote
> >> >(in article >):
> >> >
> >> >> The two bombs ended the war quickly rather than extend it with
> >> >> even more people being killed.
> >> >
> >> >Stalin was nearing the invasion of Hokkaido when the bombs went off. Google
> >> >€œStalin Japan invasion€� if Im doubted. Had the Russians beat the rest
> >> >of the Allies to Japan, the world would look a whole lot different. A true
> >> >monster would have been unleashed on the Japanese civilians. Judging our
> >> >forebears is a worthless pseudo-intellectual exercise that may set a fools
> >> >brain on fire.
> >>
> >> An atrocity is an atrocity. Holocaust, atomic bombs, Vietnam War,
> >> 9/11, just to mention a few.
> >
> >War has always been filled with atrocities. The only thing new is the
> >efficiency with which they can be perpetrated.
>
> People also always get killed, raped and whatnot. That's no reason to
> shrug if off.

I don't shrug it off. I deplore it.

However, that kind of behavior is baked into our DNA. Without that
capacity the human race would have died out long ago.

Cindy Hamilton

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> > Take into account he orders rice at McDonald's and was surprised a
>> > "white woman" knows what shoyu is... as if you have to live in Hawaii
>> > (or be Japanese) to have heard of it.
>> >
>> > Jill
>>
>> That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for
>> some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what
>> you're talking about.
>
> Pay no attention to Jill. She's just trying to sound worldly.
>
> I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
> about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
> would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.

Very common for raw vegans to use it. Also those who eat gluten free as most
of it is GF. Not sure all of it is though.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2019-12-08 6:52 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2019-12-07 8:18 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>>> > dsi1 wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'll make them if there happens to be some mac and cheese in the
>>>> >> fridge.
>>>> >
>>>> > Speaking of mac&cheese. There is a very tasty and cheap frozen
>>>> > mac&cheese dinner available. I think it's Michelina's brand.
>>>> > 8oz box that includes very nicely spiced ground beef bits.
>>>> > The small beef addition takes the M&C over the top.
>>>> >
>>>> > Many here will be horrified at the thought of eating such a
>>>> > thing but I don't care. It's their loss.
>>>>
>>>> If someone actually likes McDs food I am sure they would have no
>>>> problems with frozen macaroni and cheese.
>>>
>>> Dave Smith finally nailing it.
>>
>> Not necessarily. Some people hate to cook. I am thinking of someone who
>> turned her nose up at all frozen food with the exception of chicken
>> nuggets/strips and Tater Tots and some fries. And of course a few kinds
>> of ice cream.
>>
>> She refused to eat those cups of Kraft Mac and Cheese where you add
>> water. Reason? They are disgusting. Her words but I agree. So imagine my
>> shock when I saw those cups in the shopping cart. Also frozen meals.
>> Reason? They're less disgusting than cooking.
>>
>> I think most of us here would find that hard to fathom because we like to
>> cook. But most of the people in my life hate to cook.
>>
> Is this imaginary person you?

Jinxy, you're not very bright!

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 16:18:53 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>Keep in mind this is a big country. Different regions eat different
>>things.
>>I was born in the Midwest and grew up on that sort of bland, plain food.
>>Apparently BBQ was/is big in certain parts of Kansas but I didn't know
>>this
>>until recently as we never ate it.
>>
>>My parents did eat some Americanized ethnic dishes in restaurants. For
>>instance, at a Chinese restaurant, we always got whatever the family meal
>>was. My brother and I always went hungry because we did not like that
>>stuff
>>at all. Once I was out on my own, I read the menu and made my own choices.
>>I
>>still don't like most Chinese food but the few dishes I do like, I really
>>like.We do have a lot of Chinese and Japanese places here. Some
>>Americanized, some not.
>>
>>Seafood is big here. My dad did eat that. My mom ate a few things but my
>>brother and I never acquired a taste for it. Swedish food is big in
>>Ballard
>>(Seattle). I don't like most of that either.
>>
>>I do love Mexican food. That seems to be more and more common here, but
>>most
>>of it is Americanized/Tex Mex. I prefer more traditional things like Sopes
>>and street tacos. But there is also a fusion with South American foods so
>>I
>>also like things like pupusas.
>>
>>I think the biggest things in this area are now Thai and Indian foods.
>>Tons
>>of Indian groceries and restaurants. Tons of Thai restaurants with some
>>Chinese fusion dishes. Oddly enough, both of my parents both love certain
>>Thai foods but I can't stand the seasonings.
>>
>>We don't have a lot of Italians here so our Italian food is mostly
>>boring/Americanized and relies heavily on pizza and pasta. But go to the
>>East coast, particularly NY and NJ and you'll find lots of good Italian
>>food. Also lots of diners owned by Greeks but not featuring much in the
>>way
>>of Greek food there.
>>
>>Foods that might be common in other parts of this country were not common
>>here until perhaps the last 30-10 years or so. Stuff like biscuits and
>>gravy
>>or grits weren't even on restaurant menus. Pierogies (Polish) are common
>>in
>>PA but never need in restaurants here but you can find them frozen now.
>
> I think that all western countries are a melting pot when it comes to
> food, these days. But you also still have "meat and 3 veg" kind of
> people. More like "meat, potatoes and 1 veg" probably, but anyway.
> Their biggest food adventure is westernised Chinese in restaurants.

The meat and three veg. thing is British I think. In some areas here, meat
and potatoes is more like it.

We did not have meat at every meal. We always had meatless Mondays and
sometimes other days were meatless out of necessity. Vegetables are cheaper
than meat! So are pancakes. I always knew we had no money when pancakes were
served for dinner. I know because I said, "Pancakes again?" My mom flew into
a rage, wept and I was being rude and there was no other food.

One thing we did have at every meal though was salad. It was usually just a
wedge of iceberg unless I made it. I liked to put other things in there and
use other lettuce when I could get it. I grew red and green leaf lettuce.

Italian Americans are not likely to do the meat and veg thing very often. A
very common lunch is scrambled eggs with fried peppers. The peppers are
Italianelles or Cubanelles or if in NY, just called frying peppers. They are
light green, think skinned and sweet like bell peppers. This is served with
Italian bread. Italians are very frugal. When that bread gets stale, they
pour canned tomatoes over it and that's dinner. Or they make pizza like is
done in Italy. Thin crust with whatever toppings are in the house. Light on
the cheese. Or they might make eggplant Parm. Or a soup with beans and
pasta. Or pasta with just a little cheese. Sunday is the day for meat that
has been simmered for a long time in red gravy. The rest of the time, if
there is meat or seafood, it's usually a small amount mixed in pasta or soup
or eggs like a frittata. Or maybe sausages fried with onions and peppers. Or
meatloaf. Now that might be served with potatoes. But most of the Italian
Americans I know eat meat only a few times a week.

"songbird" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
> ...
>> I do love Mexican food. That seems to be more and more common here, but
>> most
>> of it is Americanized/Tex Mex. I prefer more traditional things like
>> Sopes
>> and street tacos. But there is also a fusion with South American foods so
>> I
>> also like things like pupusas.
>
> Mexican is pretty easy IMO, finding good ingredients
> to make it worth it might be harder when you are not near
> a bigger city where you can find decent stores that carry
> the right ingredients.
>
> i'm not a huge seafood eater but i love a good seviche.
> there are plenty of dishes to explore and adapt. all
> recipes are starting points IMO. some are good as they
> are, but many can be tweaked for fun/variety.

I had a hard time finding Mexican ingredients in PA, MA and most of NY. My
neighbor in NY was from South America. She told me to go to Western Beef. I
went there once. Very unpleasant. There were a bunch of guys outside with
pit bulls demanding that they take your groceries to your car for you. For a
price, of course! On Staten Island, most of the grocery stores wouldn't
allow you to take the shopping cart out to your car.

The inside of the store was filthy, disorganized and we saw a drunk man
peeing on the floor! Also a few physical fights and lots of yelling. They
did have a huge aisle of Latin foods but they all seemed to be imported and
the wording was in Spanish. I had no idea what a lot of those things were,
and the few I could identify did not seem fresh.

So when I lived in those places, I had to make do with Americanized stuff
like hard tacos. A few places did sell tortillas, but not good ones. And I
could get a few more items at the military commissary, but not much.

There were some small Latino groceries on another part of Staten Island but
due to lack of parking, I never went there. Some places you could only get
to by walking or maybe by bus.

On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 11:21:17 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 12:43:50 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 02:32:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:47:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 01:39:21 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other
> > >> >country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him celebrate
> > >> >this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
> > >> >
> > >> >Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer
> > >> >boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8
> > >> >black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
> > >>
> > >> You finally got my country right! Praise the White Man's Lord!
> > >
> > >Yoose guys blow my mind. But not in a good way.
> > >
> > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Oi15ND9tU
> >
> > Cultural differences, you know But the Dutch politically correct
> > left-wing Amsterdam minority shares your feelings. Which puts me in a
> > difficult position, because I'm left-wing but not politically correct.
>
> Like most homogeneous societies, you people don't trust outsiders and think
> foreigners are funny and like to poke fun at them. That's not cool. We can't
> do that so we have to poke fun at ourselves. In this way shall we become
> speshial.
>
> If you consider respecting other peoples and cultures to be "politically
> correct" it probably means you're a raging racist. One day the Lord shall
> smite thee from the face of the world. Well maybe not the Lord. Perhaps the
> Chinese.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R15IQAVT7Rg
>
> ===
>
> Awww I was expecting Israel Kamakawiwoole He is a favourite here)

The video was showing how the younger generation respects the older generation. Sometimes the old folks gotta scold the kids. It is proper for younger people to call their elders "auntie" or "uncle." This is something that Chinese people do but it wouldn't surprise me if the Hawaiians were doing this before the arrival of the Chinese.

Brudda Iz was certainly one of a kind. Here a vid of him singing a beloved song. It's so beloved that people will stand up, hold hands, and sing. Everyplace should have a song like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_17vGYa81s

On 2019-12-10 5:56 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:47:00 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 14:32:03 -0800, Leo >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2019 Dec 8, , Gary wrote
>>> (in article >):
>>>
>>>> The two bombs ended the war quickly rather than extend it with
>>>> even more people being killed.
>>>
>>> Stalin was nearing the invasion of Hokkaido when the bombs went off. Google
>>> €œStalin Japan invasion€� if Im doubted. Had the Russians beat the rest
>>> of the Allies to Japan, the world would look a whole lot different. A true
>>> monster would have been unleashed on the Japanese civilians. Judging our
>>> forebears is a worthless pseudo-intellectual exercise that may set a fools
>>> brain on fire.
>>
>> An atrocity is an atrocity. Holocaust, atomic bombs, Vietnam War,
>> 9/11, just to mention a few.
>
> War has always been filled with atrocities. The only thing new is the
> efficiency with which they can be perpetrated.
>

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were pretty atrocious acts, but I can see some
justification in them. Nanking, OTOH, was a cruel and systematic
slaughter that went on for weeks.

"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...



The meat and three veg. thing is British I think. In some areas here, meat
and potatoes is more like it.

It certainly used to be. I don't know about anyone else
much but it isn't for me and hasn't been for many years.

Apols for the huge snip.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 11:21:17 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 12:43:50 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 02:32:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:47:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 01:39:21 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > >> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other
> > >> >country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him
> > >> >celebrate
> > >> >this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
> > >> >
> > >> >Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little
> > >> >drummer
> > >> >boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to
> > >> >8
> > >> >black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
> > >>
> > >> You finally got my country right! Praise the White Man's Lord!
> > >
> > >Yoose guys blow my mind. But not in a good way.
> > >
> > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Oi15ND9tU
> >
> > Cultural differences, you know But the Dutch politically correct
> > left-wing Amsterdam minority shares your feelings. Which puts me in a
> > difficult position, because I'm left-wing but not politically correct.
>
> Like most homogeneous societies, you people don't trust outsiders and
> think
> foreigners are funny and like to poke fun at them. That's not cool. We
> can't
> do that so we have to poke fun at ourselves. In this way shall we become
> speshial.
>
> If you consider respecting other peoples and cultures to be "politically
> correct" it probably means you're a raging racist. One day the Lord shall
> smite thee from the face of the world. Well maybe not the Lord. Perhaps
> the
> Chinese.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R15IQAVT7Rg
>
> ===
>
> Awww I was expecting Israel Kamakawiwoole He is a favourite here)

The video was showing how the younger generation respects the older
generation. Sometimes the old folks gotta scold the kids. It is proper for
younger people to call their elders "auntie" or "uncle." This is something
that Chinese people do but it wouldn't surprise me if the Hawaiians were
doing this before the arrival of the Chinese.

Brudda Iz was certainly one of a kind. Here a vid of him singing a beloved
song. It's so beloved that people will stand up, hold hands, and sing.
Everyplace should have a song like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_17vGYa81s

==

Awww we love that)

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 03:44:31 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 6:28:44 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 02:56:40 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:47:00 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 14:32:03 -0800, Leo >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 2019 Dec 8, , Gary wrote
>> >> >(in article >):
>> >> >
>> >> >> The two bombs ended the war quickly rather than extend it with
>> >> >> even more people being killed.
>> >> >
>> >> >Stalin was nearing the invasion of Hokkaido when the bombs went off. Google
>> >> >€œStalin Japan invasion€� if Im doubted. Had the Russians beat the rest
>> >> >of the Allies to Japan, the world would look a whole lot different. A true
>> >> >monster would have been unleashed on the Japanese civilians. Judging our
>> >> >forebears is a worthless pseudo-intellectual exercise that may set a fools
>> >> >brain on fire.
>> >>
>> >> An atrocity is an atrocity. Holocaust, atomic bombs, Vietnam War,
>> >> 9/11, just to mention a few.
>> >
>> >War has always been filled with atrocities. The only thing new is the
>> >efficiency with which they can be perpetrated.
>>
>> People also always get killed, raped and whatnot. That's no reason to
>> shrug if off.
>
>I don't shrug it off. I deplore it.
>
>However, that kind of behavior is baked into our DNA. Without that
>capacity the human race would have died out long ago.

If the Germans hadn't organised the Holocaust, we'd be a weak species
and the cockroaches would already have won.

Like that?

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:49:03 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>
>
>
>The meat and three veg. thing is British I think. In some areas here, meat
>and potatoes is more like it.
>
> It certainly used to be. I don't know about anyone else
>much but it isn't for me and hasn't been for many years.

I don't think the Dutch traditionally ever reached 3 veg. Meat,
potatoes and 1 veg was more like it. The one veg and the potatoes
could be mashed together, depending on the vegetable. Gravy over it
and serve with a sausage or pork chop.

On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 2:39:54 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 03:44:31 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 6:28:44 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 02:56:40 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:47:00 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 14:32:03 -0800, Leo >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On 2019 Dec 8, , Gary wrote
> >> >> >(in article >):
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> The two bombs ended the war quickly rather than extend it with
> >> >> >> even more people being killed.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Stalin was nearing the invasion of Hokkaido when the bombs went off. Google
> >> >> >€œStalin Japan invasion€� if Im doubted. Had the Russians beat the rest
> >> >> >of the Allies to Japan, the world would look a whole lot different.. A true
> >> >> >monster would have been unleashed on the Japanese civilians. Judging our
> >> >> >forebears is a worthless pseudo-intellectual exercise that may set a fools
> >> >> >brain on fire.
> >> >>
> >> >> An atrocity is an atrocity. Holocaust, atomic bombs, Vietnam War,
> >> >> 9/11, just to mention a few.
> >> >
> >> >War has always been filled with atrocities. The only thing new is the
> >> >efficiency with which they can be perpetrated.
> >>
> >> People also always get killed, raped and whatnot. That's no reason to
> >> shrug if off.
> >
> >I don't shrug it off. I deplore it.
> >
> >However, that kind of behavior is baked into our DNA. Without that
> >capacity the human race would have died out long ago.
>
> If the Germans hadn't organised the Holocaust, we'd be a weak species
> and the cockroaches would already have won.
>
> Like that?

No, not like that. When the human population was small and dangers were
many. It's arguably a trait that has outlived its usefulness, but I
don't see it leaving us anytime soon.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 11:47:56 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 2:39:54 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 03:44:31 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 6:28:44 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 02:56:40 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:47:00 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 14:32:03 -0800, Leo >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On 2019 Dec 8, , Gary wrote
>> >> >> >(in article >):
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> The two bombs ended the war quickly rather than extend it with
>> >> >> >> even more people being killed.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Stalin was nearing the invasion of Hokkaido when the bombs went off. Google
>> >> >> >€œStalin Japan invasion€� if Im doubted. Had the Russians beat the rest
>> >> >> >of the Allies to Japan, the world would look a whole lot different. A true
>> >> >> >monster would have been unleashed on the Japanese civilians. Judging our
>> >> >> >forebears is a worthless pseudo-intellectual exercise that may set a fools
>> >> >> >brain on fire.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> An atrocity is an atrocity. Holocaust, atomic bombs, Vietnam War,
>> >> >> 9/11, just to mention a few.
>> >> >
>> >> >War has always been filled with atrocities. The only thing new is the
>> >> >efficiency with which they can be perpetrated.
>> >>
>> >> People also always get killed, raped and whatnot. That's no reason to
>> >> shrug if off.
>> >
>> >I don't shrug it off. I deplore it.
>> >
>> >However, that kind of behavior is baked into our DNA. Without that
>> >capacity the human race would have died out long ago.
>>
>> If the Germans hadn't organised the Holocaust, we'd be a weak species
>> and the cockroaches would already have won.
>>
>> Like that?
>
>No, not like that. When the human population was small and dangers were
>many. It's arguably a trait that has outlived its usefulness, but I
>don't see it leaving us anytime soon.

We're intelligent. That means we can do big things compared to other
species. Those big things can be good things and bad things. We have a
choice.

On 12/10/2019 2:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 11:47:56 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 2:39:54 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 03:44:31 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 6:28:44 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 02:56:40 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:47:00 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 14:32:03 -0800, Leo >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2019 Dec 8, , Gary wrote
>>>>>>>> (in article >):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The two bombs ended the war quickly rather than extend it with
>>>>>>>>> even more people being killed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stalin was nearing the invasion of Hokkaido when the bombs went off. Google
>>>>>>>> €œStalin Japan invasion€� if Im doubted. Had the Russians beat the rest
>>>>>>>> of the Allies to Japan, the world would look a whole lot different. A true
>>>>>>>> monster would have been unleashed on the Japanese civilians. Judging our
>>>>>>>> forebears is a worthless pseudo-intellectual exercise that may set a fools
>>>>>>>> brain on fire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An atrocity is an atrocity. Holocaust, atomic bombs, Vietnam War,
>>>>>>> 9/11, just to mention a few.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> War has always been filled with atrocities. The only thing new is the
>>>>>> efficiency with which they can be perpetrated.
>>>>>
>>>>> People also always get killed, raped and whatnot. That's no reason to
>>>>> shrug if off.
>>>>
>>>> I don't shrug it off. I deplore it.
>>>>
>>>> However, that kind of behavior is baked into our DNA. Without that
>>>> capacity the human race would have died out long ago.
>>>
>>> If the Germans hadn't organised the Holocaust, we'd be a weak species
>>> and the cockroaches would already have won.
>>>
>>> Like that?
>>
>> No, not like that. When the human population was small and dangers were
>> many. It's arguably a trait that has outlived its usefulness, but I
>> don't see it leaving us anytime soon.
>
> We're intelligent. That means we can do big things compared to other
> species. Those big things can be good things and bad things. We have a
> choice.
>
But seems some cannot tell the difference.

On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 2:59:41 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

> We're intelligent. That means we can do big things compared to other
> species. Those big things can be good things and bad things. We have a
> choice.

Intelligence has its limits. Most people are driven by their desires.
Don't take yourself as an example; look at the vast mass of humanity.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:18:30 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 2:59:41 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
>> We're intelligent. That means we can do big things compared to other
>> species. Those big things can be good things and bad things. We have a
>> choice.
>
>Intelligence has its limits. Most people are driven by their desires.
>Don't take yourself as an example; look at the vast mass of humanity.

I think the western world and a few other countries have evolved. I
don't think a Holocaust or Hiroshima/Nagasaki are possible anymore.
Information has also improved, spin notwithstanding.

In the meantime, the Chinese, the Turks and the Burmese are still
committing genocide.

On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 4:25:09 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:18:30 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 2:59:41 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >
> >> We're intelligent. That means we can do big things compared to other
> >> species. Those big things can be good things and bad things. We have a
> >> choice.
> >
> >Intelligence has its limits. Most people are driven by their desires.
> >Don't take yourself as an example; look at the vast mass of humanity.
>
> I think the western world and a few other countries have evolved. I
> don't think a Holocaust or Hiroshima/Nagasaki are possible anymore.
> Information has also improved, spin notwithstanding.

I'd like to think so, but we can't forget the past or fail to teach
it in all its ugliness.

> In the meantime, the Chinese, the Turks and the Burmese are still
> committing genocide.

Yes, and also in sub-Saharan Africa.

Cindy Hamilton

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:49:03 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>
>
>
>The meat and three veg. thing is British I think. In some areas here, meat
>and potatoes is more like it.
>
> It certainly used to be. I don't know about anyone else
>much but it isn't for me and hasn't been for many years.

I don't think the Dutch traditionally ever reached 3 veg. Meat,
potatoes and 1 veg was more like it. The one veg and the potatoes
could be mashed together, depending on the vegetable. Gravy over it
and serve with a sausage or pork chop.

==

Different, but I bet it was enjoyed

Oh and btw potato was one of the 3 veggies

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:48:03 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:49:03 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>> It certainly used to be. I don't know about anyone else
>>much but it isn't for me and hasn't been for many years.
>
>I don't think the Dutch traditionally ever reached 3 veg. Meat,
>potatoes and 1 veg was more like it. The one veg and the potatoes
>could be mashed together, depending on the vegetable. Gravy over it
>and serve with a sausage or pork chop.
>
>==
>
> Different, but I bet it was enjoyed

Yes, I think so

> Oh and btw potato was one of the 3 veggies

Oh, that makes at least 2 veg. I thought only the French counted
potatoes as a vegetable.

Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:18:30 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 2:59:41 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> We're intelligent. That means we can do big things compared to other
>>> species. Those big things can be good things and bad things. We have a
>>> choice.
>>
>> Intelligence has its limits. Most people are driven by their desires.
>> Don't take yourself as an example; look at the vast mass of humanity.
>
> I think the western world and a few other countries have evolved. I
> don't think a Holocaust or Hiroshima/Nagasaki are possible anymore.
> Information has also improved, spin notwithstanding.
>
> In the meantime, the Chinese, the Turks and the Burmese are still
> committing genocide.
>

Whew! I am glad none of those *******s are here (yet). I didn't
realize they were attacking australia. Hope they don't get to you druce.

Maybe you should consider shipping your valuable ingredient lists to
someone outside of the war zone, for we survivors.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 4:25:09 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:18:30 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 2:59:41 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>>> We're intelligent. That means we can do big things compared to other
>>>> species. Those big things can be good things and bad things. We have a
>>>> choice.
>>>
>>> Intelligence has its limits. Most people are driven by their desires.
>>> Don't take yourself as an example; look at the vast mass of humanity.
>>
>> I think the western world and a few other countries have evolved. I
>> don't think a Holocaust or Hiroshima/Nagasaki are possible anymore.
>> Information has also improved, spin notwithstanding.
>
> I'd like to think so, but we can't forget the past or fail to teach
> it in all its ugliness.
>
>> In the meantime, the Chinese, the Turks and the Burmese are still
>> committing genocide.
>
> Yes, and also in sub-Saharan Africa.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

I remember back years ago, when the hutu and tutsi tribes were
fighting, and Pat Robertson tried to get donations to bribe Jesus to
stop the killing.

Everybody sent money and I guess it worked.

On 12/7/2019 12:21 PM, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> Take into account he orders rice at McDonald's and was surprised a
>>> "white woman" knows what shoyu is... as if you have to live in Hawaii
>>> (or be Japanese) to have heard of it.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> That would be correct. If you go into your local restaurant and ask for some shoyu, it's highly unlikely that the server is going to know what you're talking about.
>
He's wrong about that.

> Pay no attention to Jill. She's just trying to sound worldly.
>
I'm not trying to sound worldly. I said rice at McDonald's isn't
available. Nothing to do with "local restaurants".

As for McD's, I watched a documentary on McDonald's and their menus
around the world on PBS a few years back. They showed how the menus at
McDonalds' varied everywhere based on locale. They still served the
standard burgers and fries, sure. But you wouldn't find a lobster
burger on the menu at your local McD's. You might find it if you lived
in in northern Maine. dsi1 can order rice and ask for shoyu at his
McD's. All I said was in my reply to Ophelia, she couldn't find it on
the menu in Scotland even *if* she went to McDonald's.

> I've personally never heard of shoyu until you started talking
> about it here in RFC. I'm willing to bet most ppl around here
> would be clueless too. Just known as "soy sauce" here.
>
That's your problem. You haven't heard of it. You think most "ppl" on
RFC have never eaten at any kind of Asian restaurant? Not even a
teppanyaki grill chain restaurant like Benihana I'm sure many of us
folks on the mainland have heard the term "shoyu" before. We also call
it/know it as soy sauce. What's the argument?

Jill

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/10/2019 2:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 11:47:56 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 2:39:54 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 03:44:31 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 6:28:44 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 02:56:40 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:47:00 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 14:32:03 -0800, Leo
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2019 Dec 8, , Gary wrote
>>>>>>>>> (in article >):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The two bombs ended the war quickly rather than extend it
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> even more people being killed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stalin was nearing the invasion of Hokkaido when the bombs
>>>>>>>>> went off. Google
>>>>>>>>> €œStalin Japan invasion€Â� if I€„¢m doubted. Had the
>>>>>>>>> Russians beat the rest
>>>>>>>>> of the Allies to Japan, the world would look a whole lot
>>>>>>>>> different. A true
>>>>>>>>> monster would have been unleashed on the Japanese
>>>>>>>>> civilians. Judging our
>>>>>>>>> forebears is a worthless pseudo-intellectual exercise that
>>>>>>>>> may set a fool€„¢s
>>>>>>>>> brain on fire.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An atrocity is an atrocity. Holocaust, atomic bombs, Vietnam
>>>>>>>> War,
>>>>>>>> 9/11, just to mention a few.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> War has always been filled with atrocities.Â* The only thing
>>>>>>> new is the
>>>>>>> efficiency with which they can be perpetrated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People also always get killed, raped and whatnot. That's no
>>>>>> reason to
>>>>>> shrug if off.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't shrug it off.Â* I deplore it.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, that kind of behavior is baked into our DNA.Â* Without
>>>>> that
>>>>> capacity the human race would have died out long ago.
>>>>
>>>> If the Germans hadn't organised the Holocaust, we'd be a weak
>>>> species
>>>> and the cockroaches would already have won.
>>>>
>>>> Like that?
>>>
>>> No, not like that.Â* When the human population was small and
>>> dangers were
>>> many.Â* It's arguably a trait that has outlived its usefulness, but I
>>> don't see it leaving us anytime soon.
>>
>> We're intelligent. That means we can do big things compared to other
>> species. Those big things can be good things and bad things. We
>> have a
>> choice.
>>
> But seems some cannot tell the difference.


What ... druce don't know everything?

This is even more heartbreaking than when I found out popeye was a
closet homosexual full of shit.


Damn damn damn. All my heroes are big fat liars.