"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:48:03 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:49:03 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>> It certainly used to be. I don't know about anyone else
>>much but it isn't for me and hasn't been for many years.
>
>I don't think the Dutch traditionally ever reached 3 veg. Meat,
>potatoes and 1 veg was more like it. The one veg and the potatoes
>could be mashed together, depending on the vegetable. Gravy over it
>and serve with a sausage or pork chop.
>
>==
>
> Different, but I bet it was enjoyed

Yes, I think so

> Oh and btw potato was one of the 3 veggies

Oh, that makes at least 2 veg. I thought only the French counted
potatoes as a vegetable.

===

It would seem not

On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 7:10:05 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:

> As for McD's, I watched a documentary on McDonald's and their menus
> around the world on PBS a few years back. They showed how the menus at
> McDonalds' varied everywhere based on locale. They still served the
> standard burgers and fries, sure. But you wouldn't find a lobster
> burger on the menu at your local McD's. You might find it if you lived
> in in northern Maine. dsi1 can order rice and ask for shoyu at his
> McD's. All I said was in my reply to Ophelia, she couldn't find it on
> the menu in Scotland even *if* she went to McDonald's.

I've always been a little envious of places where McDonald's serves
alternatives like that. Here in the Midwest, all we get are the
damned watery-tasting burgers and the fries that are nowhere as
good as when they were fried in beef tallow.


Cindy Hamilton

On 12/9/2019 12:05 PM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> I have absolutely nothing against buying frozen mac & cheese.
>> Stouffer's brand is good.
>
> I think I might have tried that once long ago, Jill.
> I think it was good but don't remember. Stouffer's
> products are decent, imo. Good quick lasagna they sell.
>
>> I've tried but not been impressed by the
>> Michelina's brand so I haven't looked for the specific type you're
>> referring to (with spiced ground beef bits).
>
> I've tried a few of the Michelina's brand dinners. As you
> say, not impressed with most even though the picture on
> the box and ingredients sound good. Mainly, the mac&cheese
> one with beef bits was pretty darn tasty. The seasoned
> beef bits made it. Just tiny pea sized beef. I'll buy
> one occasionally as a quick late night snack.
>
>> My mother used to make mac
>> & cheese with ground beef seasoned with taco seasoning.
>
> My mother used to make a good cheesy one using elbow mac
> and velveeta cheese. Nice and I especially loved the browned
> cheese on top. Never any beef included.
>
Oh yes, elbow macaroni and Velveeta! Baked until browned on top. She'd
add ground beef, or diced ham, or on rare occasions some of those 'lil
smokies sausages (cut in half) because she served it as a main dish, not
a side.

> As an adult, I've never been a M&C fan but I will enjoy a
> good one occasionally. I've never made it from scratch
> though.
>
> Tried that boxed Kraft version once. Complete yuk!
> Cook the noodles then add packet of dried cheese powder
> maybe with milk? Not good at all.
>
Yeah, that stuff sucks. Just make a quick white sauce, add some
Velveeta and stir until smooth. Basically the same steps as the boxed
stuff but so much better than powdered cheese. Take it a step further,
stir the sauce into the cooked macaroni in a baking dish and pop it in
the oven. 350F for about 30 minutes.

> Of my 2 regular grocery stores, Food Lion sells them.
> (The frozen Michelina ones(
> I'll pick up a box or 2 and scan the lid. Again...
> I just like that bit of extra flavored beef addition.
> They did good there, imo.
>
It's nice to find something you like.

Jill

On 12/11/2019 6:09 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 7:10:05 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> As for McD's, I watched a documentary on McDonald's and their menus
>> around the world on PBS a few years back. They showed how the menus at
>> McDonalds' varied everywhere based on locale. They still served the
>> standard burgers and fries, sure. But you wouldn't find a lobster
>> burger on the menu at your local McD's. You might find it if you lived
>> in in northern Maine. dsi1 can order rice and ask for shoyu at his
>> McD's. All I said was in my reply to Ophelia, she couldn't find it on
>> the menu in Scotland even *if* she went to McDonald's.
>
> I've always been a little envious of places where McDonald's serves
> alternatives like that. Here in the Midwest, all we get are the
> damned watery-tasting burgers and the fries that are nowhere as
> good as when they were fried in beef tallow.
>
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Yeah, the healthy food police put an end to those tasty fries.

Here are some examples of "odd" McDonald's food in other parts of the world:

http://www.foodnetwork.co.uk/article...d-world/2.html

Jill

On 12/8/2019 6:44 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> Â*Gary wrote:
>>> > Rather than refuse to taste, you should try "just one bite."
>>> > It might surprise you.
>>>
>>> None of us here is a child.Â* After eating and tasting for 62 years,
>>> I can pretty much tell from the ingredients whether I'll like
>>> something.
>>
>> My point being that after many years, tastes can change. What
>> you didn't like many years ago, you might like now.
>> Also different recipes make a difference.
(snippage)

> The other reason is that makers of this stuff have changed the recipes
> and they no longer taste the way they did. Example: Last night my
> gardener (yes the same one), asked if I had any tomato soup. I could
> picture that can of Campbell's in my mind and thought of how sickly
> sweet it is now. No. I did not have it. He wanted to dip his tuna melt
> in something. The closest thing I had in the house was Marinara sauce
> which was already in the fridge. He ate that. No, he does not live here.
> He is coming over to get the rest of his things and we've been doing
> some studying together. Or more like I am teaching him some things. It's
> all good. Except for the soup!

How long does it take to move his things out of his room?! And he's
still asking you for food. I don't know what you're teaching him but
buying his own food should be #1. Tell him Campbell's makes "soup on
the go" and yes, tomato soup is part of the lineup. He can *buy it
himself* and just pop it in the microwave.

Jill

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> jmcquown wrote:
>
> > As for McD's, I watched a documentary on McDonald's and their menus
> > around the world on PBS a few years back. They showed how the menus at
> > McDonalds' varied everywhere based on locale. They still served the
> > standard burgers and fries, sure. But you wouldn't find a lobster
> > burger on the menu at your local McD's. You might find it if you lived
> > in in northern Maine.

> I've always been a little envious of places where McDonald's serves
> alternatives like that.

Add me. I remember when someone here mentioned that McD was
serving McLobsterRolls a few years ago. Probably Ed as he
lived in New England.

I was envious. I would have liked to try one.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:48:03 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
> >"Bruce" wrote in message
> .. .
> >
> >On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:49:03 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It certainly used to be. I don't know about anyone else
> >>much but it isn't for me and hasn't been for many years.
> >
> >I don't think the Dutch traditionally ever reached 3 veg. Meat,
> >potatoes and 1 veg was more like it. The one veg and the potatoes
> >could be mashed together, depending on the vegetable. Gravy over it
> >and serve with a sausage or pork chop.
> >
> >==
> >
> > Different, but I bet it was enjoyed
>
> Yes, I think so
>
> > Oh and btw potato was one of the 3 veggies
>
> Oh, that makes at least 2 veg. I thought only the French counted
> potatoes as a vegetable.
>
> ===
>
> It would seem not

Very common term in the US too. 'Meat and 3' often in diners and
more
local restaurants (not chains)

You get choice of meat plus 3 veggies for one price.
Menu would list about 10 veg choices to choose from.
Potato was always one of them.

At home, I usually have meat and 2-3.
More often, I'll skip the meat and just eat 2-4 vegetables.
Always with a slice bread and butter though.

jmcquown wrote:
>
What's the argument?

Your (perceived) arrogant attitude to others here
sometimes. Especially J and J.

This is why I pick on you occasionally. Just giving
some of your 'tude right back to you.

No need to fret. I still love you.

"Gary" wrote in message ...

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:48:03 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
> >"Bruce" wrote in message
> .. .
> >
> >On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:49:03 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It certainly used to be. I don't know about anyone
> >> else
> >>much but it isn't for me and hasn't been for many years.
> >
> >I don't think the Dutch traditionally ever reached 3 veg. Meat,
> >potatoes and 1 veg was more like it. The one veg and the potatoes
> >could be mashed together, depending on the vegetable. Gravy over it
> >and serve with a sausage or pork chop.
> >
> >==
> >
> > Different, but I bet it was enjoyed
>
> Yes, I think so
>
> > Oh and btw potato was one of the 3 veggies
>
> Oh, that makes at least 2 veg. I thought only the French counted
> potatoes as a vegetable.
>
> ===
>
> It would seem not

Very common term in the US too. 'Meat and 3' often in diners and
more
local restaurants (not chains)

You get choice of meat plus 3 veggies for one price.
Menu would list about 10 veg choices to choose from.
Potato was always one of them.

At home, I usually have meat and 2-3.
More often, I'll skip the meat and just eat 2-4 vegetables.
Always with a slice bread and butter though.

==

The bread and butter, I will never have))

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 7:14:33 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > > As for McD's, I watched a documentary on McDonald's and their menus
> > > around the world on PBS a few years back. They showed how the menus at
> > > McDonalds' varied everywhere based on locale. They still served the
> > > standard burgers and fries, sure. But you wouldn't find a lobster
> > > burger on the menu at your local McD's. You might find it if you lived
> > > in in northern Maine.
>
> > I've always been a little envious of places where McDonald's serves
> > alternatives like that.
>
> Add me. I remember when someone here mentioned that McD was
> serving McLobsterRolls a few years ago. Probably Ed as he
> lived in New England.
>
> I was envious. I would have liked to try one.

McDonald's has served up lobster rolls a couple of times in the past on this rock - but it wasn't rock lobster. It's small pieces of lobster in a light dressing with a couple of whole pieces of claw on top. They were ten bucks. I thought they were pretty good and could eat them maybe 2 a year. A ten buck sandwich at McDonald's - what a concept.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...SeKP2XKEtwiLKw

On 12/11/2019 1:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 7:14:33 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> As for McD's, I watched a documentary on McDonald's and their menus
>>>> around the world on PBS a few years back. They showed how the menus at
>>>> McDonalds' varied everywhere based on locale. They still served the
>>>> standard burgers and fries, sure. But you wouldn't find a lobster
>>>> burger on the menu at your local McD's. You might find it if you lived
>>>> in in northern Maine.
>>
>>> I've always been a little envious of places where McDonald's serves
>>> alternatives like that.
>>
>> Add me. I remember when someone here mentioned that McD was
>> serving McLobsterRolls a few years ago. Probably Ed as he
>> lived in New England.
>>
>> I was envious. I would have liked to try one.
>
> McDonald's has served up lobster rolls a couple of times in the past on this rock - but it wasn't rock lobster. It's small pieces of lobster in a light dressing with a couple of whole pieces of claw on top. They were ten bucks. I thought they were pretty good and could eat them maybe 2 a year. A ten buck sandwich at McDonald's - what a concept.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...SeKP2XKEtwiLKw
>

Other places around New England have better ones, but they are $18. The
ones at McD are a pretty good value.

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 8:48:31 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/11/2019 1:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 7:14:33 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>
> >>> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> As for McD's, I watched a documentary on McDonald's and their menus
> >>>> around the world on PBS a few years back. They showed how the menus at
> >>>> McDonalds' varied everywhere based on locale. They still served the
> >>>> standard burgers and fries, sure. But you wouldn't find a lobster
> >>>> burger on the menu at your local McD's. You might find it if you lived
> >>>> in in northern Maine.
> >>
> >>> I've always been a little envious of places where McDonald's serves
> >>> alternatives like that.
> >>
> >> Add me. I remember when someone here mentioned that McD was
> >> serving McLobsterRolls a few years ago. Probably Ed as he
> >> lived in New England.
> >>
> >> I was envious. I would have liked to try one.
> >
> > McDonald's has served up lobster rolls a couple of times in the past on this rock - but it wasn't rock lobster. It's small pieces of lobster in a light dressing with a couple of whole pieces of claw on top. They were ten bucks. I thought they were pretty good and could eat them maybe 2 a year. A ten buck sandwich at McDonald's - what a concept.
> >
> > https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...SeKP2XKEtwiLKw
> >
>
> Other places around New England have better ones, but they are $18. The
> ones at McD are a pretty good value.

Luckily, I'm not a big fan of lobster so it all works out pretty good. I've had other cheap lobster and that was typically not a good experience. The meat was tough and the taste was a little strange. The McDonald's sandwich makes for a non-tough lobster and the light dressing tempers the taste. It is a good value.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/8/2019 6:44 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Â*Gary wrote:
>>>> > Rather than refuse to taste, you should try "just one bite."
>>>> > It might surprise you.
>>>>
>>>> None of us here is a child.Â* After eating and tasting for 62
>>>> years,
>>>> I can pretty much tell from the ingredients whether I'll like
>>>> something.
>>>
>>> My point being that after many years, tastes can change. What
>>> you didn't like many years ago, you might like now.
>>> Also different recipes make a difference.
> (snippage)
>
>> The other reason is that makers of this stuff have changed the
>> recipes and they no longer taste the way they did. Example: Last
>> night my gardener (yes the same one), asked if I had any tomato
>> soup. I could picture that can of Campbell's in my mind and
>> thought of how sickly sweet it is now. No. I did not have it. He
>> wanted to dip his tuna melt in something. The closest thing I had
>> in the house was Marinara sauce which was already in the fridge.
>> He ate that. No, he does not live here. He is coming over to get
>> the rest of his things and we've been doing some studying
>> together. Or more like I am teaching him some things. It's all
>> good. Except for the soup!
>
> How long does it take to move his things out of his room?!* And he's
> still asking you for food.* I don't know what you're teaching him
> but buying his own food should be #1.* Tell him Campbell's makes
> "soup on the go" and yes, tomato soup is part of the lineup.* He can
> *buy it himself* and just pop it in the microwave.
>
> Jill

He didn't come back for the food!

dsi1 wrote:

> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and
> > in this >> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya
> > because it might >> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or
> > perhaps as mocking a >> Japanese accent.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
> >
> > Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns out
> > they're even more speshial!
>
> We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other
> country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him
> celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
>
> Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer
> boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8
> black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxSBYYBUU

Thats a youtube from the Netherlands. Nothing even wrong with it other
than the celebrators are all dark skinned but not all in the picture
are. No indication of negro slaves at all.

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:32:26 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and
> > > in this >> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya
> > > because it might >> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or
> > > perhaps as mocking a >> Japanese accent.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
> > >
> > > Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns out
> > > they're even more speshial!
> >
> > We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other
> > country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him
> > celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
> >
> > Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer
> > boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8
> > black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxSBYYBUU
>
> Thats a youtube from the Netherlands. Nothing even wrong with it other
> than the celebrators are all dark skinned but not all in the picture
> are. No indication of negro slaves at all.

Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun. Nuttin' wrong there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!

On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:38:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:32:26 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and
>> > > in this >> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya
>> > > because it might >> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or
>> > > perhaps as mocking a >> Japanese accent.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > > The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
>> > >
>> > > Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns out
>> > > they're even more speshial!
>> >
>> > We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other
>> > country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him
>> > celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
>> >
>> > Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer
>> > boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8
>> > black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxSBYYBUU
>>
>> Thats a youtube from the Netherlands. Nothing even wrong with it other
>> than the celebrators are all dark skinned but not all in the picture
>> are. No indication of negro slaves at all.
>
>Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun. Nuttin' wrong there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!

Sinterklaas (Dutch Santa) comes from Spain every year. He arrives by
boat with his helpers. According to legend or fairytale, these helpers
are black, because they're Moors. They dress in vibrant colours, are
rather hyper and bring candy for the children.

Since the Netherlands is rather short on Moors, the helpers are played
by Dutch people (who can be of any colour, but mostly white), who put
colouring on their face to look black.

The helpers -called Black Petes- are very popular with the children,
because they throw around candy for them.

This went on for decades without a problem. I grew up with Sinterklaas
and his Black Petes. Since real people of colour don't tend to dress
in red and purple clothes and don't tend to jump around much, I never
associated them with Black Petes. Black Pete was just a fairytale
creature, with the added bonus of giving you candy.

Now in this day and age, everybody is offended. So now Black Pete is
suddenly racist. I see.

Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 6:03:47 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:38:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:32:26 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and
> >> > > in this >> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya
> >> > > because it might >> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or
> >> > > perhaps as mocking a >> Japanese accent.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
> >> > >
> >> > > Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns out
> >> > > they're even more speshial!
> >> >
> >> > We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other
> >> > country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him
> >> > celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
> >> >
> >> > Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer
> >> > boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8
> >> > black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
> >> >
> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxSBYYBUU
> >>
> >> Thats a youtube from the Netherlands. Nothing even wrong with it other
> >> than the celebrators are all dark skinned but not all in the picture
> >> are. No indication of negro slaves at all.
> >
> >Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun. Nuttin' wrong there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!
>
> Sinterklaas (Dutch Santa) comes from Spain every year. He arrives by
> boat with his helpers. According to legend or fairytale, these helpers
> are black, because they're Moors. They dress in vibrant colours, are
> rather hyper and bring candy for the children.
>
> Since the Netherlands is rather short on Moors, the helpers are played
> by Dutch people (who can be of any colour, but mostly white), who put
> colouring on their face to look black.
>
> The helpers -called Black Petes- are very popular with the children,
> because they throw around candy for them.
>
> This went on for decades without a problem. I grew up with Sinterklaas
> and his Black Petes. Since real people of colour don't tend to dress
> in red and purple clothes and don't tend to jump around much, I never
> associated them with Black Petes. Black Pete was just a fairytale
> creature, with the added bonus of giving you candy.
>
> Now in this day and age, everybody is offended. So now Black Pete is
> suddenly racist. I see.
>
> Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
> will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
> Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
> Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.

Black Pete has probably always been racist. You guys just didn't know about it. I think you guys could make Sinterklaas a black dude and all his slaves/assistants/friends could be white. That wouldn't be racist, would it? Think of all the dough you could save in makeup! Make it a law that only Sinterklaas can wear of the black makeup. That would be cool.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:38:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:32:26 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and
>> > > in this >> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya
>> > > because it might >> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or
>> > > perhaps as mocking a >> Japanese accent.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > > The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
>> > >
>> > > Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns out
>> > > they're even more speshial!
>> >
>> > We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other
>> > country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him
>> > celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
>> >
>> > Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer
>> > boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8
>> > black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxSBYYBUU
>>
>> Thats a youtube from the Netherlands. Nothing even wrong with it other
>> than the celebrators are all dark skinned but not all in the picture
>> are. No indication of negro slaves at all.
>
>Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun. Nuttin' wrong
>there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!

Sinterklaas (Dutch Santa) comes from Spain every year. He arrives by
boat with his helpers. According to legend or fairytale, these helpers
are black, because they're Moors. They dress in vibrant colours, are
rather hyper and bring candy for the children.

Since the Netherlands is rather short on Moors, the helpers are played
by Dutch people (who can be of any colour, but mostly white), who put
colouring on their face to look black.

The helpers -called Black Petes- are very popular with the children,
because they throw around candy for them.

This went on for decades without a problem. I grew up with Sinterklaas
and his Black Petes. Since real people of colour don't tend to dress
in red and purple clothes and don't tend to jump around much, I never
associated them with Black Petes. Black Pete was just a fairytale
creature, with the added bonus of giving you candy.

Now in this day and age, everybody is offended. So now Black Pete is
suddenly racist. I see.

Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.

==

I didn't read it all but some woman here is in trouble for saying
'Father' Christmas. It was deemed sexist.

On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 01:40:06 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 6:03:47 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:38:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:32:26 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>> >> dsi1 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> >> > > > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
>> >> > > > wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and
>> >> > > in this >> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya
>> >> > > because it might >> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or
>> >> > > perhaps as mocking a >> Japanese accent.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns out
>> >> > > they're even more speshial!
>> >> >
>> >> > We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other
>> >> > country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him
>> >> > celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
>> >> >
>> >> > Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer
>> >> > boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8
>> >> > black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
>> >> >
>> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxSBYYBUU
>> >>
>> >> Thats a youtube from the Netherlands. Nothing even wrong with it other
>> >> than the celebrators are all dark skinned but not all in the picture
>> >> are. No indication of negro slaves at all.
>> >
>> >Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun. Nuttin' wrong there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!
>>
>> Sinterklaas (Dutch Santa) comes from Spain every year. He arrives by
>> boat with his helpers. According to legend or fairytale, these helpers
>> are black, because they're Moors. They dress in vibrant colours, are
>> rather hyper and bring candy for the children.
>>
>> Since the Netherlands is rather short on Moors, the helpers are played
>> by Dutch people (who can be of any colour, but mostly white), who put
>> colouring on their face to look black.
>>
>> The helpers -called Black Petes- are very popular with the children,
>> because they throw around candy for them.
>>
>> This went on for decades without a problem. I grew up with Sinterklaas
>> and his Black Petes. Since real people of colour don't tend to dress
>> in red and purple clothes and don't tend to jump around much, I never
>> associated them with Black Petes. Black Pete was just a fairytale
>> creature, with the added bonus of giving you candy.
>>
>> Now in this day and age, everybody is offended. So now Black Pete is
>> suddenly racist. I see.
>>
>> Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
>> will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
>> Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
>> Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.
>
>Black Pete has probably always been racist. You guys just didn't know about it. I think you guys could make Sinterklaas a black dude and all his slaves/assistants/friends could be white. That wouldn't be racist, would it? Think of all the dough you could save in makeup! Make it a law that only Sinterklaas can wear of the black makeup. That would be cool.

I don't do it often but

*shrug*

On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:44:10 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:38:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:
>
>>Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun. Nuttin' wrong
>>there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!
>
>Sinterklaas (Dutch Santa) comes from Spain every year. He arrives by
>boat with his helpers. According to legend or fairytale, these helpers
>are black, because they're Moors. They dress in vibrant colours, are
>rather hyper and bring candy for the children.
>
>Since the Netherlands is rather short on Moors, the helpers are played
>by Dutch people (who can be of any colour, but mostly white), who put
>colouring on their face to look black.
>
>The helpers -called Black Petes- are very popular with the children,
>because they throw around candy for them.
>
>This went on for decades without a problem. I grew up with Sinterklaas
>and his Black Petes. Since real people of colour don't tend to dress
>in red and purple clothes and don't tend to jump around much, I never
>associated them with Black Petes. Black Pete was just a fairytale
>creature, with the added bonus of giving you candy.
>
>Now in this day and age, everybody is offended. So now Black Pete is
>suddenly racist. I see.
>
>Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
>will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
>Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
>Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.
>
>==
>
> I didn't read it all but some woman here is in trouble for saying
>'Father' Christmas. It was deemed sexist.

That's the thing. You can give the ever offended people their way in a
particular case, but they'll think of something new they're offended
by. It's never going to stop. They're addicted to being offended.

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 11:03:47 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:38:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:32:26 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and
> >> > > in this >> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya
> >> > > because it might >> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or
> >> > > perhaps as mocking a >> Japanese accent.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
> >> > >
> >> > > Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns out
> >> > > they're even more speshial!
> >> >
> >> > We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other
> >> > country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him
> >> > celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
> >> >
> >> > Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer
> >> > boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8
> >> > black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
> >> >
> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxSBYYBUU
> >>
> >> Thats a youtube from the Netherlands. Nothing even wrong with it other
> >> than the celebrators are all dark skinned but not all in the picture
> >> are. No indication of negro slaves at all.
> >
> >Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun. Nuttin' wrong there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!
>
> Sinterklaas (Dutch Santa) comes from Spain every year. He arrives by
> boat with his helpers. According to legend or fairytale, these helpers
> are black, because they're Moors. They dress in vibrant colours, are
> rather hyper and bring candy for the children.
>
> Since the Netherlands is rather short on Moors, the helpers are played
> by Dutch people (who can be of any colour, but mostly white), who put
> colouring on their face to look black.
>
> The helpers -called Black Petes- are very popular with the children,
> because they throw around candy for them.
>
> This went on for decades without a problem. I grew up with Sinterklaas
> and his Black Petes. Since real people of colour don't tend to dress
> in red and purple clothes and don't tend to jump around much, I never
> associated them with Black Petes. Black Pete was just a fairytale
> creature, with the added bonus of giving you candy.
>
> Now in this day and age, everybody is offended. So now Black Pete is
> suddenly racist. I see.
>
> Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
> will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
> Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
> Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.

The Brits are somewhat ahead of you. In "Robbie the Reindeer: Hooves
of Fire", two of the reindeer were female: Donner and Vixen. They
provided a love triangle for the eponymous character.

Cindy Hamilton

Bruce wrote:
>
> That's the thing. You can give the ever offended people their way in a
> particular case, but they'll think of something new they're offended
> by. It's never going to stop. They're addicted to being offended.

Your comment has offended me, Brucers.

On 12/12/2019 4:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Bruce"Â* wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:38:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:32:26 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and
>>> > > in this >> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya
>>> > > because it might >> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or
>>> > > perhaps as mocking a >> Japanese accent.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >
>>> > > > The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
>>> > >
>>> > > Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns out
>>> > > they're even more speshial!
>>> >
>>> > We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other
>>> > country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him
>>> > celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
>>> >
>>> > Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer
>>> > boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8
>>> > black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
>>> >
>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxSBYYBUU
>>>
>>> Thats a youtube from the Netherlands. Nothing even wrong with it other
>>> than the celebrators are all dark skinned but not all in the picture
>>> are.Â* No indication of negro slaves at all.
>>
>> Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun. Nuttin'
>> wrong there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!
>
> Sinterklaas (Dutch Santa) comes from Spain every year. He arrives by
> boat with his helpers. According to legend or fairytale, these helpers
> are black, because they're Moors. They dress in vibrant colours, are
> rather hyper and bring candy for the children.
>
> Since the Netherlands is rather short on Moors, the helpers are played
> by Dutch people (who can be of any colour, but mostly white), who put
> colouring on their face to look black.
>
> The helpers -called Black Petes- are very popular with the children,
> because they throw around candy for them.
>
> This went on for decades without a problem. I grew up with Sinterklaas
> and his Black Petes. Since real people of colour don't tend to dress
> in red and purple clothes and don't tend to jump around much, I never
> associated them with Black Petes. Black Pete was just a fairytale
> creature, with the added bonus of giving you candy.
>
> Now in this day and age, everybody is offended. So now Black Pete is
> suddenly racist. I see.
>
> Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
> will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
> Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
> Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.
>
> ==
>
> Â* I didn't read it all but some woman here is in trouble for saying
> 'Father' Christmas.Â* It was deemed sexist.
>
>
>
I put my Christmas tree up. It was a female but now that it has balls
on it would you call it transgender?

On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 03:18:10 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 11:03:47 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:38:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:32:26 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>> >> dsi1 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> >> > > > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
>> >> > > > wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and
>> >> > > in this >> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya
>> >> > > because it might >> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or
>> >> > > perhaps as mocking a >> Japanese accent.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns out
>> >> > > they're even more speshial!
>> >> >
>> >> > We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other
>> >> > country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him
>> >> > celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
>> >> >
>> >> > Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer
>> >> > boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8
>> >> > black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
>> >> >
>> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxSBYYBUU
>> >>
>> >> Thats a youtube from the Netherlands. Nothing even wrong with it other
>> >> than the celebrators are all dark skinned but not all in the picture
>> >> are. No indication of negro slaves at all.
>> >
>> >Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun. Nuttin' wrong there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!
>>
>> Sinterklaas (Dutch Santa) comes from Spain every year. He arrives by
>> boat with his helpers. According to legend or fairytale, these helpers
>> are black, because they're Moors. They dress in vibrant colours, are
>> rather hyper and bring candy for the children.
>>
>> Since the Netherlands is rather short on Moors, the helpers are played
>> by Dutch people (who can be of any colour, but mostly white), who put
>> colouring on their face to look black.
>>
>> The helpers -called Black Petes- are very popular with the children,
>> because they throw around candy for them.
>>
>> This went on for decades without a problem. I grew up with Sinterklaas
>> and his Black Petes. Since real people of colour don't tend to dress
>> in red and purple clothes and don't tend to jump around much, I never
>> associated them with Black Petes. Black Pete was just a fairytale
>> creature, with the added bonus of giving you candy.
>>
>> Now in this day and age, everybody is offended. So now Black Pete is
>> suddenly racist. I see.
>>
>> Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
>> will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
>> Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
>> Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.
>
>The Brits are somewhat ahead of you. In "Robbie the Reindeer: Hooves
>of Fire", two of the reindeer were female: Donner and Vixen. They
>provided a love triangle for the eponymous character.

So they weren't *******s? That's not very inclusive.

On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 07:39:27 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> That's the thing. You can give the ever offended people their way in a
>> particular case, but they'll think of something new they're offended
>> by. It's never going to stop. They're addicted to being offended.
>
>Your comment has offended me, Brucers.

On 2019-12-12 8:33 a.m., Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 07:39:27 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> That's the thing. You can give the ever offended people their way in a
>>> particular case, but they'll think of something new they're offended
>>> by. It's never going to stop. They're addicted to being offended.
>>
>> Your comment has offended me, Brucers.
>
>
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzdpxKqEUAw
Sums it all up perfectly!

On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:12:03 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 2019-12-12 8:33 a.m., Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 07:39:27 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That's the thing. You can give the ever offended people their way in a
>>>> particular case, but they'll think of something new they're offended
>>>> by. It's never going to stop. They're addicted to being offended.
>>>
>>> Your comment has offended me, Brucers.
>>
>>
>>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzdpxKqEUAw
>Sums it all up perfectly!

Yes, but if we tell them to stop being offended all the time, they
call us out of touch baby boomers. That's so offensive!

On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 12:03:28 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 01:40:06 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 6:03:47 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:38:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:32:26 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> >> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> >> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> >> >> > > > wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> >> >> > > > wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and
> >> >> > > in this >> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya
> >> >> > > because it might >> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or
> >> >> > > perhaps as mocking a >> Japanese accent.
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns out
> >> >> > > they're even more speshial!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other
> >> >> > country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him
> >> >> > celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer
> >> >> > boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8
> >> >> > black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxSBYYBUU
> >> >>
> >> >> Thats a youtube from the Netherlands. Nothing even wrong with it other
> >> >> than the celebrators are all dark skinned but not all in the picture
> >> >> are. No indication of negro slaves at all.
> >> >
> >> >Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun. Nuttin' wrong there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!
> >>
> >> Sinterklaas (Dutch Santa) comes from Spain every year. He arrives by
> >> boat with his helpers. According to legend or fairytale, these helpers
> >> are black, because they're Moors. They dress in vibrant colours, are
> >> rather hyper and bring candy for the children.
> >>
> >> Since the Netherlands is rather short on Moors, the helpers are played
> >> by Dutch people (who can be of any colour, but mostly white), who put
> >> colouring on their face to look black.
> >>
> >> The helpers -called Black Petes- are very popular with the children,
> >> because they throw around candy for them.
> >>
> >> This went on for decades without a problem. I grew up with Sinterklaas
> >> and his Black Petes. Since real people of colour don't tend to dress
> >> in red and purple clothes and don't tend to jump around much, I never
> >> associated them with Black Petes. Black Pete was just a fairytale
> >> creature, with the added bonus of giving you candy.
> >>
> >> Now in this day and age, everybody is offended. So now Black Pete is
> >> suddenly racist. I see.
> >>
> >> Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
> >> will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
> >> Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
> >> Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.
> >
> >Black Pete has probably always been racist. You guys just didn't know about it. I think you guys could make Sinterklaas a black dude and all his slaves/assistants/friends could be white. That wouldn't be racist, would it? Think of all the dough you could save in makeup! Make it a law that only Sinterklaas can wear of the black makeup. That would be cool.
>
> I don't do it often but
>
> *shrug*
>
>

Of course you're a racist. You grew up thinking a gang of black dudes were going to stuff you in a bag and take you to Spain. That would pretty much **** up any kid.

On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:48:51 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 12:03:28 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 01:40:06 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 6:03:47 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:

>> >> Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
>> >> will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
>> >> Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
>> >> Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.
>> >
>> >Black Pete has probably always been racist. You guys just didn't know about it. I think you guys could make Sinterklaas a black dude and all his slaves/assistants/friends could be white. That wouldn't be racist, would it? Think of all the dough you could save in makeup! Make it a law that only Sinterklaas can wear of the black makeup. That would be cool.
>>
>> I don't do it often but
>>
>> *shrug*
>>
>>
>
>Of course you're a racist. You grew up thinking a gang of black dudes were going to stuff you in a bag and take you to Spain. That would pretty much **** up any kid.

Only if you had behaved badly during the year. So I had nothing to
fear, as you can imagine.

On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 7:56:12 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:48:51 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 12:03:28 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 01:40:06 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 6:03:47 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>
> >> >> Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
> >> >> will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
> >> >> Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
> >> >> Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.
> >> >
> >> >Black Pete has probably always been racist. You guys just didn't know about it. I think you guys could make Sinterklaas a black dude and all his slaves/assistants/friends could be white. That wouldn't be racist, would it? Think of all the dough you could save in makeup! Make it a law that only Sinterklaas can wear of the black makeup. That would be cool.
> >>
> >> I don't do it often but
> >>
> >> *shrug*
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Of course you're a racist. You grew up thinking a gang of black dudes were going to stuff you in a bag and take you to Spain. That would pretty much **** up any kid.
>
> Only if you had behaved badly during the year. So I had nothing to
> fear, as you can imagine.

In this way, did the wise forefathers seek to teach the generation after them to fear the moors. Mission accomplished.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:44:10 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:38:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:
>
>>Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun. Nuttin' wrong
>>there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!
>
>Sinterklaas (Dutch Santa) comes from Spain every year. He arrives by
>boat with his helpers. According to legend or fairytale, these helpers
>are black, because they're Moors. They dress in vibrant colours, are
>rather hyper and bring candy for the children.
>
>Since the Netherlands is rather short on Moors, the helpers are played
>by Dutch people (who can be of any colour, but mostly white), who put
>colouring on their face to look black.
>
>The helpers -called Black Petes- are very popular with the children,
>because they throw around candy for them.
>
>This went on for decades without a problem. I grew up with Sinterklaas
>and his Black Petes. Since real people of colour don't tend to dress
>in red and purple clothes and don't tend to jump around much, I never
>associated them with Black Petes. Black Pete was just a fairytale
>creature, with the added bonus of giving you candy.
>
>Now in this day and age, everybody is offended. So now Black Pete is
>suddenly racist. I see.
>
>Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
>will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
>Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
>Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.
>
>==
>
> I didn't read it all but some woman here is in trouble for saying
>'Father' Christmas. It was deemed sexist.

That's the thing. You can give the ever offended people their way in a
particular case, but they'll think of something new they're offended
by. It's never going to stop. They're addicted to being offended.

===

Huh! You have that spot on!!

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

On 12/12/2019 4:44 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:38:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:32:26 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya and
>>> > > in this >> age of political correctness they may stop saying shoya
>>> > > because it might >> be seen as a form of cultural appropriation or
>>> > > perhaps as mocking a >> Japanese accent.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >
>>> > > > The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
>>> > >
>>> > > Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns out
>>> > > they're even more speshial!
>>> >
>>> > We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what other
>>> > country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him
>>> > celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere else."
>>> >
>>> > Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little drummer
>>> > boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman, to 6 to 8
>>> > black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain racist!
>>> >
>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxSBYYBUU
>>>
>>> Thats a youtube from the Netherlands. Nothing even wrong with it other
>>> than the celebrators are all dark skinned but not all in the picture
>>> are. No indication of negro slaves at all.
>>
>> Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun. Nuttin' wrong
>> there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!
>
> Sinterklaas (Dutch Santa) comes from Spain every year. He arrives by
> boat with his helpers. According to legend or fairytale, these helpers
> are black, because they're Moors. They dress in vibrant colours, are
> rather hyper and bring candy for the children.
>
> Since the Netherlands is rather short on Moors, the helpers are played
> by Dutch people (who can be of any colour, but mostly white), who put
> colouring on their face to look black.
>
> The helpers -called Black Petes- are very popular with the children,
> because they throw around candy for them.
>
> This went on for decades without a problem. I grew up with Sinterklaas
> and his Black Petes. Since real people of colour don't tend to dress
> in red and purple clothes and don't tend to jump around much, I never
> associated them with Black Petes. Black Pete was just a fairytale
> creature, with the added bonus of giving you candy.
>
> Now in this day and age, everybody is offended. So now Black Pete is
> suddenly racist. I see.
>
> Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
> will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
> Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
> Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.
>
> ==
>
> I didn't read it all but some woman here is in trouble for saying
> 'Father' Christmas. It was deemed sexist.
>
>
>
I put my Christmas tree up. It was a female but now that it has balls
on it would you call it transgender?

===

I don't know. I will have to try and refer you to one of the 'offendeds'!

On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 10:52:01 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 7:56:12 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:48:51 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 12:03:28 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 01:40:06 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 6:03:47 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> >> >> Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
>> >> >> will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
>> >> >> Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
>> >> >> Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.
>> >> >
>> >> >Black Pete has probably always been racist. You guys just didn't know about it. I think you guys could make Sinterklaas a black dude and all his slaves/assistants/friends could be white. That wouldn't be racist, would it? Think of all the dough you could save in makeup! Make it a law that only Sinterklaas can wear of the black makeup. That would be cool.
>> >>
>> >> I don't do it often but
>> >>
>> >> *shrug*
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Of course you're a racist. You grew up thinking a gang of black dudes were going to stuff you in a bag and take you to Spain. That would pretty much **** up any kid.
>>
>> Only if you had behaved badly during the year. So I had nothing to
>> fear, as you can imagine.
>
>In this way, did the wise forefathers seek to teach the generation after them to fear the moors. Mission accomplished.

No, the decision whether you'd been bad or not, was taken by
Sinterklaas, a very white old man. By the way, no kid was really
afraid. It was all about candy and presents.

On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 11:15:26 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 10:52:01 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 7:56:12 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:48:51 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 12:03:28 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 01:40:06 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 6:03:47 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
> >> >> >> will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
> >> >> >> Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
> >> >> >> Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Black Pete has probably always been racist. You guys just didn't know about it. I think you guys could make Sinterklaas a black dude and all his slaves/assistants/friends could be white. That wouldn't be racist, would it? Think of all the dough you could save in makeup! Make it a law that only Sinterklaas can wear of the black makeup. That would be cool.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't do it often but
> >> >>
> >> >> *shrug*
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Of course you're a racist. You grew up thinking a gang of black dudes were going to stuff you in a bag and take you to Spain. That would pretty much **** up any kid.
> >>
> >> Only if you had behaved badly during the year. So I had nothing to
> >> fear, as you can imagine.
> >
> >In this way, did the wise forefathers seek to teach the generation after them to fear the moors. Mission accomplished.
>
> No, the decision whether you'd been bad or not, was taken by
> Sinterklaas, a very white old man. By the way, no kid was really
> afraid. It was all about candy and presents.

If this guy was Sinterklaas, he'd probably tell ya'all that you've been bad and all your asses would wind up in Spain.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos...e-id1072230704

Ophelia wrote:
> "Bruce"* wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:44:10 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> "Bruce"* wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:38:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun.
>>> Nuttin' wrong
>>> there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!
>>
>> Sinterklaas (Dutch Santa) comes from Spain every year. He arrives by
>> boat with his helpers. According to legend or fairytale, these
>> helpers
>> are black, because they're Moors. They dress in vibrant colours, are
>> rather hyper and bring candy for the children.
>>
>> Since the Netherlands is rather short on Moors, the helpers are
>> played
>> by Dutch people (who can be of any colour, but mostly white), who put
>> colouring on their face to look black.
>>
>> The helpers -called Black Petes- are very popular with the children,
>> because they throw around candy for them.
>>
>> This went on for decades without a problem. I grew up with
>> Sinterklaas
>> and his Black Petes. Since real people of colour don't tend to dress
>> in red and purple clothes and don't tend to jump around much, I never
>> associated them with Black Petes. Black Pete was just a fairytale
>> creature, with the added bonus of giving you candy.
>>
>> Now in this day and age, everybody is offended. So now Black Pete is
>> suddenly racist. I see.
>>
>> Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended
>> people
>> will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male
>> Santa
>> Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
>> Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.
>>
>> ==
>>
>> * I didn't read it all but some woman here is in trouble for saying
>> 'Father' Christmas.* It was deemed sexist.
>
> That's the thing. You can give the ever offended people their way in a
> particular case, but they'll think of something new they're offended
> by. It's never going to stop. They're addicted to being offended.
>
> ===
>
> * Huh!* You have that spot on!!
>
>
>
>
Druce is ALWAYS spot on, tip top and sparkling, tally ho and pip pip
old chap.

Sometimes, the poor dutch boy is slow to respond to ingredient list
requests, and also a smart ass, but not his fault. He was raised up
an orphan in amsterdam.

Left on the street, with only wooden shoes and a pencil his mother
shoved up his ass when she left him on the curb. I think she
intended it for patching his shoes, but he never accomplished these
skills. He only managed to parrot ingredient lists, and mop
bathrooms and clean toilets.

Still, mama loves him.

dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 11:15:26 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 10:52:01 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 7:56:12 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:48:51 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 12:03:28 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 01:40:06 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 6:03:47 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Translate this to the English speaking world. One day, offended people
>>>>>>>> will start claiming that it's misogynistic to always have a male Santa
>>>>>>>> Claus. Besides, why is the reindeer always a male? It's high time for
>>>>>>>> Santa Clausella and Rudolpha the Reindeer! You can wait for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Black Pete has probably always been racist. You guys just didn't know about it. I think you guys could make Sinterklaas a black dude and all his slaves/assistants/friends could be white. That wouldn't be racist, would it? Think of all the dough you could save in makeup! Make it a law that only Sinterklaas can wear of the black makeup. That would be cool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't do it often but
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *shrug*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course you're a racist. You grew up thinking a gang of black dudes were going to stuff you in a bag and take you to Spain. That would pretty much **** up any kid.
>>>>
>>>> Only if you had behaved badly during the year. So I had nothing to
>>>> fear, as you can imagine.
>>>
>>> In this way, did the wise forefathers seek to teach the generation after them to fear the moors. Mission accomplished.
>>
>> No, the decision whether you'd been bad or not, was taken by
>> Sinterklaas, a very white old man. By the way, no kid was really
>> afraid. It was all about candy and presents.
>
> If this guy was Sinterklaas, he'd probably tell ya'all that you've been bad and all your asses would wind up in Spain.
>
> https://media.gettyimages.com/photos...e-id1072230704
>

WOW. When did yoose gooks start getting santa, crismus and jebus?
Probly from a honkey postcard at the convenience store?

I bet the clerk raised his hands when yoose walked in.

Yoose a funny dink.

Ophelia wrote:

> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>
> Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > "Bruce" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:48:03 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
> >
> > > "Bruce" wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:49:03 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
> > >
> >>> It certainly used to be. I don't know about
> anyone >> else
> > > > much but it isn't for me and hasn't been for many years.
> > >
> > > I don't think the Dutch traditionally ever reached 3 veg. Meat,
> > > potatoes and 1 veg was more like it. The one veg and the potatoes
> > > could be mashed together, depending on the vegetable. Gravy over
> > > it and serve with a sausage or pork chop.
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> >> Different, but I bet it was enjoyed
> >
> > Yes, I think so
> >
> >> Oh and btw potato was one of the 3 veggies
> >
> > Oh, that makes at least 2 veg. I thought only the French counted
> > potatoes as a vegetable.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > It would seem not
>
> Very common term in the US too. 'Meat and 3' often in diners and
> more
> local restaurants (not chains)
>
> You get choice of meat plus 3 veggies for one price.
> Menu would list about 10 veg choices to choose from.
> Potato was always one of them.
>
> At home, I usually have meat and 2-3.
> More often, I'll skip the meat and just eat 2-4 vegetables.
> Always with a slice bread and butter though.
>
> ==
>
> The bread and butter, I will never have))

Ohh, here I am waiting for it to cool enough to slice..

dsi1 wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:32:26 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya
> > > > and in this >> age of political correctness they may stop
> > > > saying shoya because it might >> be seen as a form of cultural
> > > > appropriation or perhaps as mocking a >> Japanese accent.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
> > > >
> > > > Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns
> > > > out they're even more speshial!
> > >
> > > We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what
> > > other country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him
> > > celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere
> > > else."
> > >
> > > Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little
> > > drummer boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the
> > > Snowman, to 6 to 8 black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain
> > > racist!
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxSBYYBUU
> >
> > Thats a youtube from the Netherlands. Nothing even wrong with it
> > other than the celebrators are all dark skinned but not all in the
> > picture are. No indication of negro slaves at all.
>
> Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun. Nuttin'
> wrong there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!

Pull your head out ds1. It's a bunch of brown skinned folks having fun
and showing their craft of music.

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 3:54:13 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:32:26 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 10:57:02 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 9:13:59 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> It looks to me like soya is just an anglo version of shoya
> > > > > and in this >> age of political correctness they may stop
> > > > > saying shoya because it might >> be seen as a form of cultural
> > > > > appropriation or perhaps as mocking a >> Japanese accent.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Hawaiians don't do cultural appropriation
> > > > >
> > > > > Just when I think I know how speshial Hawaiians are, it turns
> > > > > out they're even more speshial!
> > > >
> > > > We're not so speshial. Yoose guys are super speshial. In what
> > > > other country would Santa have a bunch of negro slaves to help him
> > > > celebrate this joyous season? Hopefully the answer is "nowhere
> > > > else."
> > > >
> > > > Call me crazy but I think I prefer the baby Jesus, the little
> > > > drummer boy, Rudoph the Red-nosed Reindeer, and Frosty the
> > > > Snowman, to 6 to 8 black men. I mean, shit, that's just plain
> > > > racist!
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxSBYYBUU
> > >
> > > Thats a youtube from the Netherlands. Nothing even wrong with it
> > > other than the celebrators are all dark skinned but not all in the
> > > picture are. No indication of negro slaves at all.
> >
> > Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun. Nuttin'
> > wrong there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!
>
> Pull your head out ds1. It's a bunch of brown skinned folks having fun
> and showing their craft of music.

Either you're visually impaired or you're so white that anybody that has some black paint on their face presents a reasonable representation of a colored person to you. Either way, my condolences.

On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 19:11:38 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 3:54:13 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Thats a youtube from the Netherlands. Nothing even wrong with it
>> > > other than the celebrators are all dark skinned but not all in the
>> > > picture are. No indication of negro slaves at all.
>> >
>> > Why yes, it's just a bunch of white folks having some fun. Nuttin'
>> > wrong there. As we all know, everything is always as it seems!
>>
>> Pull your head out ds1. It's a bunch of brown skinned folks having fun
>> and showing their craft of music.
>
>Either you're visually impaired or you're so white that anybody that has some black paint on their face presents a reasonable representation of a colored person to you. Either way, my condolences.

The same celebration at the Dutch Antilles island of Bonaire. You
can't tell what the skin colour of the Black Petes is -probably mixed-
but look at the people in the crowd. Do they have a problem?