On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:59:14 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-01-05 2:52 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >> We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right?
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
> >
> > DDT is a probable human carcinogen.
> >
> > Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT after 6-7 years of spraying.
> >
> > And, of course, Silent Spring.
> >
> > We're well rid of DDT.
> >
>
>
> We are seeing more and more of the raptors who, being way up the food
> ladder, had consumed so much DDT that their eggs were too thin and did
> not survive brooding.

My guess is that if it was your kid that died from malaria, you wouldn't care about these boids.

On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:14:12 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right?
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
>>
>> DDT is a probable human carcinogen.
>>
>> Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT after 6-7 years of spraying.
>>
>> And, of course, Silent Spring.
>>
>> We're well rid of DDT.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria. DDT might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well okay then.

Isn't there something to fight malaria with that's not carcinogenic?

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 3:14:15 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right?
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
> >
> > DDT is a probable human carcinogen.
> >
> > Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT after 6-7 years of spraying.
> >
> > And, of course, Silent Spring.
> >
> > We're well rid of DDT.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria. DDT might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well okay then.

Are you aware that 12 countries still use DDT? It's needed (perhaps) where
malaria is endemic, but not in the U.S. Other insecticides and methods
are available.

We are well rid of DDT.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:20:14 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:14:12 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right?
> >> >
> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
> >>
> >> DDT is a probable human carcinogen.
> >>
> >> Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT after 6-7 years of spraying.
> >>
> >> And, of course, Silent Spring.
> >>
> >> We're well rid of DDT.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria. DDT might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well okay then.
>
> Isn't there something to fight malaria with that's not carcinogenic?

How many people die from cancer caused by DDT? How many kids die, every day, from malaria? Thousands. I propose that we don't let fear rule our lives and save the lives of kids. What else is there to say?

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:28:55 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 3:14:15 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right?
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
> > >
> > > DDT is a probable human carcinogen.
> > >
> > > Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT after 6-7 years of spraying.
> > >
> > > And, of course, Silent Spring.
> > >
> > > We're well rid of DDT.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria. DDT might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well okay then.
>
> Are you aware that 12 countries still use DDT? It's needed (perhaps) where
> malaria is endemic, but not in the U.S. Other insecticides and methods
> are available.
>
> We are well rid of DDT.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Yes, I'm aware. My guess is that not many people die from malaria in the US.. It is pretty much eradicated in America. OTOH, I don't like mosquitoes.

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 3:33:27 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:20:14 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:14:12 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> > We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right?
> > >> >
> > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
> > >>
> > >> DDT is a probable human carcinogen.
> > >>
> > >> Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT after 6-7 years of spraying.
> > >>
> > >> And, of course, Silent Spring.
> > >>
> > >> We're well rid of DDT.
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > >It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria. DDT might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well okay then.
> >
> > Isn't there something to fight malaria with that's not carcinogenic?
>
> How many people die from cancer caused by DDT? How many kids die, every day, from malaria? Thousands. I propose that we don't let fear rule our lives and save the lives of kids. What else is there to say?

If DDT were being used in more than 12 countries, then a lot. Mortality
in those 12 countries is probably not being driven by cancer. Something
else gets them before they have an opportunity to develop cancer.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 3:37:32 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:28:55 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 3:14:15 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
> > > >
> > > > DDT is a probable human carcinogen.
> > > >
> > > > Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT after 6-7 years of spraying.
> > > >
> > > > And, of course, Silent Spring.
> > > >
> > > > We're well rid of DDT.
> > > >
> > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > > It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria. DDT might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well okay then.
> >
> > Are you aware that 12 countries still use DDT? It's needed (perhaps) where
> > malaria is endemic, but not in the U.S. Other insecticides and methods
> > are available.
> >
> > We are well rid of DDT.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Yes, I'm aware. My guess is that not many people die from malaria in the US. It is pretty much eradicated in America. OTOH, I don't like mosquitoes.

You probably should investigate the epidemiology of malaria, rather than
guessing.

Even though there are two mosquito-borne diseases in Michigan, I'd rather
not be sprayed with carcinogens.

Your dislike of mosquitoes is not a sufficient basis for public health
policy. If you're worried about children dying of malaria, then donate
to organizations that fight malaria.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:39:50 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 3:33:27 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:20:14 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:14:12 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >> > We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
> > > >>
> > > >> DDT is a probable human carcinogen.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT after 6-7 years of spraying.
> > > >>
> > > >> And, of course, Silent Spring.
> > > >>
> > > >> We're well rid of DDT.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > > >
> > > >It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria. DDT might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well okay then.
> > >
> > > Isn't there something to fight malaria with that's not carcinogenic?
> >
> > How many people die from cancer caused by DDT? How many kids die, every day, from malaria? Thousands. I propose that we don't let fear rule our lives and save the lives of kids. What else is there to say?
>
> If DDT were being used in more than 12 countries, then a lot. Mortality
> in those 12 countries is probably not being driven by cancer. Something
> else gets them before they have an opportunity to develop cancer.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I can't figure out what you're trying to say. As far as America goes, we don't need DDT. I'm talking about other countries - especially those in Africa.

On 2020-01-05 3:14 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton

>>
>> DDT is a probable human carcinogen.
>>
>> Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT after 6-7 years of spraying.
>>
>> And, of course, Silent Spring.
>>
>> We're well rid of DDT.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria. DDT
> might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well okay
> then.
>


The prophylaxis to prevent malaria is risky enough that some people
refuse to take it. They say they would rather risk malaria than the side
effects, My son took Larium when he was working in Uganda. He reacted
very badly to it, so instead of taking it weekly he would take it every
week and a half, like a Wednesday one week and Friday the next. One time
he took one only 304 days after another instead of 10 days. He thought
he was going crazy and almost checked himself into a mental hospital.

That was 21 years ago. He is still having problems. He has nightmares
every night and occasional night terrors. We hear a lot about our
military coming back with PTSD, even among those who were not even
involved in combat, and I have wondered for years if it is truly the
classic PTSD or if it is a side effect of malaria medication.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2020-01-05 2:52 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > > We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the
> > > neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved
> > > countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet.
> > > The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria
> > > which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but
> > > I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth
> > > it, right?
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
> >
> > DDT is a probable human carcinogen.
> >
> > Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT after 6-7 years of spraying.
> >
> > And, of course, Silent Spring.
> >
> > We're well rid of DDT.
> >
>
>
> We are seeing more and more of the raptors who, being way up the food
> ladder, had consumed so much DDT that their eggs were too thin and
> did not survive brooding.

WE have bald eagles here in Virginia Beach again. I even saw one in a
front yard on Silina last year.

dsi1 wrote:

> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:20:14 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:14:12 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> > >> > We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the
> > neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless
> > lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito.
> > Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have
> > been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it
> > makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right? >> > >>
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk >> >> DDT is a
> > probable human carcinogen. >> >> Mosquitoes became resistant to
> > DDT after 6-7 years of spraying. >> >> And, of course, Silent
> > Spring. >>
> > >> We're well rid of DDT.
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > > It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria.
> > > DDT might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well
> > > okay then.
> >
> > Isn't there something to fight malaria with that's not carcinogenic?
>
> How many people die from cancer caused by DDT? How many kids die,
> every day, from malaria? Thousands. I propose that we don't let fear
> rule our lives and save the lives of kids. What else is there to say?

Use of DDT in Hawaii would devistate the local animals (absolutely the
birds). Try it in your own home first. The rest of us are over that.

On 1/5/2020 12:05 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 1/4/2020 5:17 PM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:39:03 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 1:58:34 PM UTC-6,
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well the first problem is the fact that you are using cooking spray
>>>> for anything at all. Oil in a bottle is bad enough because it is
>>>> heavily processed. The crap in a can is the same but with added
>>>> chemicals. Why would you ever want to eat that?
>>>>
>>> Source?
>>
>>
>> https://www.foxnews.com/health/the-t...cooking-sprays
>>
>>
>> You should really learn how to look stuff up for yourself and stop
>> asking for sources.
>>
>> Â* --
>>
>> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
>>
>
>
> " After reviewing animal studies, the World Health Organization stated
> that they found no adverse health effects associated with
> Dimethylpolysiloxane. However, personally, Im uncomfortable feeding my
> family a chemical that has uses in cosmetics and Silly Putty."
>
> She must be starving her family then.
>

There were a couple of dumb statements in her article. She does is
concerned about ingesting the propellant also. I can't figure out how
you eat something dispersed into the air.

On 2020-01-05 3:03 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/5/2020 12:05 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 1/4/2020 5:17 PM, wrote:
>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:39:03 -0800 (PST), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 1:58:34 PM UTC-6,
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well the first problem is the fact that you are using cooking spray
>>>>> for anything at all. Oil in a bottle is bad enough because it is
>>>>> heavily processed. The crap in a can is the same but with added
>>>>> chemicals. Why would you ever want to eat that?
>>>>>
>>>> Source?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/health/the-t...cooking-sprays
>>>
>>>
>>> You should really learn how to look stuff up for yourself and stop
>>> asking for sources.
>>>
>>> Â* --
>>>
>>> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
>>>
>>
>>
>> " After reviewing animal studies, the World Health Organization stated
>> that they found no adverse health effects associated with
>> Dimethylpolysiloxane. However, personally, Im uncomfortable feeding
>> my family a chemical that has uses in cosmetics and Silly Putty."
>>
>> She must be starving her family then.
>>
>
> There were a couple of dumb statements in her article.Â* She does is
> concerned about ingesting the propellant also.Â* I can't figure out how
> you eat something dispersed into the air.

Not to mention her questioning of the safety of eating GMOs. That's been
"put to bed" countless times.

On 2020-01-05 4:19 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:

>> We are seeing more and more of the raptors who, being way up the food
>> ladder, had consumed so much DDT that their eggs were too thin and
>> did not survive brooding.
>
> WE have bald eagles here in Virginia Beach again. I even saw one in a
> front yard on Silina last year.
>

I remember seeing the only bald eagle of my childhood when we were
camping at Point Pelee back in 1955 or thereabouts. We started seeing
them locally just a few years ago and see more and more of them every
year. Ospreys are another one that we never saw in this part of
southern Ontario, but which are now rebounding. Hawks seemed to make
out quite well, but they are hunting mostly mammals they catch in open
fields. The eagles and ospreys were afflicted because they eat fish and
the DDT was contaminating the water. Since most fish eat smaller fish
and bugs in the DDT tainted water it builds up, and the raptors, being
near the top of the food chain, were consuming it in higher doses.


It has taken decades for the raptors to recover.

On 1/5/2020 11:52 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
>
> DDT is a probable human carcinogen.
>
> Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT after 6-7 years of spraying.
>
> And, of course, Silent Spring.
>
> We're well rid of DDT.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>


Millions of dead people and their families would disagree with you.

On 1/5/2020 12:28 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 3:14:15 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
>>>
>>> DDT is a probable human carcinogen.
>>>
>>> Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT after 6-7 years of spraying.
>>>
>>> And, of course, Silent Spring.
>>>
>>> We're well rid of DDT.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria. DDT might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well okay then.
>
> Are you aware that 12 countries still use DDT? It's needed (perhaps) where
> malaria is endemic, but not in the U.S. Other insecticides and methods
> are available.

I don't think they actually uses it, even though it is allowed. They
have been bullied into not using it despite their exemption.

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 11:22:37 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:20:14 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:14:12 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> > We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the
> > > neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless
> > > lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito.
> > > Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have
> > > been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it
> > > makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right? >> > >>
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk >> >> DDT is a
> > > probable human carcinogen. >> >> Mosquitoes became resistant to
> > > DDT after 6-7 years of spraying. >> >> And, of course, Silent
> > > Spring. >>
> > > >> We're well rid of DDT.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > > >
> > > > It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria.
> > > > DDT might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well
> > > > okay then.
> > >
> > > Isn't there something to fight malaria with that's not carcinogenic?
> >
> > How many people die from cancer caused by DDT? How many kids die,
> > every day, from malaria? Thousands. I propose that we don't let fear
> > rule our lives and save the lives of kids. What else is there to say?
>
> Use of DDT in Hawaii would devistate the local animals (absolutely the
> birds). Try it in your own home first. The rest of us are over that.

Well, that's the point of DDT, to kill the bugs. The effects were purely intentional. When we moved next to the Kawainui Marsh, the mosquitoes and other creatures were a nightmare. DDT took care of the mosquitoes after a couple of years. Praise the Lord!

Hawaii is the extinction capital of the world and most of the local bird species are already wiped out. DDT had nothing to do with it - unless you got some other information about this. Of course, you don't. Mostly, yoose guys let fear be your co-pilot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zXajYDnprQ

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:46:51 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >
> > I agree. Any spray will also overspray a bit. At least
> > take your pan outside to spray it.
>
> In the sink works just fine. Outside is overkill.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I spray pans over the sink as well. I've seen a hint (America's Test
Kitchen?) that said using the spray over a dishwasher open door is
another possibility.

On Sun, 05 Jan 2020 09:54:56 -0500, wrote:

>On Sun, 05 Jan 2020 06:04:03 -0600,
wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 03:03:34 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Taxed and Spent" > wrote in message
...
>>>> Cooking spray contains soy lecithin which is said to, over time, gum up
>>>> non stick pans.
>>>>
>>>> What is your experience?
>>>>
>>>> I think cooking in a non stick skillet will get gummed up, especially the
>>>> parts where the cooking spray does not come in contact with food.
>>>>
>>>> I also wonder/think using on a muffing tin, for example, will be less of a
>>>> problem, as it will be more in contact with food and likely to be exposed
>>>> to lower temps during baking vs frying.
>>>>
>>>> What do you use on your non stick muffin tins and oven pans?
>>>>
>>>> Please excuse the cooking related question, and thanks for your cooking
>>>> related replies.
>>>
>>>The only spray I use is the Sam's club kind that is merely olive oil. For
>>>muffin tins, I line them. If for some reason I needed to use oil, I would
>>>use a bit of vegetable or coconut oil with a brush or paper towel.
>>
>>well what I do is buy olive oil and pour a bit in a spray bottle and I
>>am set. when it runs out I unscrew the top put more in and I am good
>>to go.
>
>Spray bottles atomize the oil,

Uhh no


>it coats the stovetop etc. and you

again no

>inhale some,

and again no

what you are describing is those pressurized spray cans like pam.

That is not what I am talking about. I just use one of those squirt
bottles like for wetting your hair


>not good for ones respiratory tract. I keep a green
>glass wine bottle near the stove, filled with olive oil and capped
>with one of those no-drip barkeeps pourers. The bottle was free with
>the wine and the pourer cost about a $1, has no moving parts and has
>lasted me some 50 years.
>For coating bakeware I use my fingers... a lot easier to wash ones
>hands rather than a greasy brush. For oiling and rubbing seasoning on
>a roast I use my hand, the human hand is the best tool by far... I
>know a lot of yoose are ascared of touching raw meat, skeeves yoose
>out.

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

dsi1 wrote:

> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 11:22:37 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:20:14 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:14:12 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> > We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the
> > > > neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless
> > > > lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito.
> > > > Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have
> > > > been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it
> > > > makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right? >> > >>
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk >> >> DDT is a
> > > > probable human carcinogen. >> >> Mosquitoes became resistant to
> > > > DDT after 6-7 years of spraying. >> >> And, of course, Silent
> > > > Spring. >>
> > > > >> We're well rid of DDT.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > > > >
> > > > > It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria.
> > > > > DDT might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well
> > > > > okay then.
> > > >
> > > > Isn't there something to fight malaria with that's not carcinogenic?
> > >
> > > How many people die from cancer caused by DDT? How many kids die,
> > > every day, from malaria? Thousands. I propose that we don't let fear
> > > rule our lives and save the lives of kids. What else is there to say?
> >
> > Use of DDT in Hawaii would devistate the local animals (absolutely the
> > birds). Try it in your own home first. The rest of us are over that.
>
> Well, that's the point of DDT, to kill the bugs. The effects were purely intentional. When we moved next to the Kawainui Marsh, the mosquitoes and other creatures were a nightmare. DDT took care of the mosquitoes after a couple of years. Praise the Lord!
>
> Hawaii is the extinction capital of the world and most of the local bird species are already wiped out. DDT had nothing to do with it - unless you got some other information about this. Of course, you don't. Mostly, yoose guys let fear be your co-pilot.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zXajYDnprQ


Yup...here ya go:

https://fee.org/articles/millions-di...ironmentalism/

Millions Died Thanks to the Mother of Environmentalism

Carson made a critical mistake and a lot of people died as a result.

Saturday, June 17, 2017

Paul A. Offit

"On Jan. 24, 2017, PBS aired a two-hour special on Rachel Carson, the mother of the environmental movement. Although the program crossed the line from biography to hagiography, in Carsons case, the unbridled praise was well deserved €“ with one exception.

Rachel Carson was an American hero. In the early 1960s, she was the first to warn that a pesticide called DDT could accumulate in the environment, the first to show that it could harm fish, birds, and other wildlife, the first to warn that its overuse would render it ineffective, and the first to predict that more natural means of pest control €“ like bacteria that killed mosquito larvae €“ should be used instead.

Unfortunately, the PBS documentary neglected to mention that in her groundbreaking book, Silent Spring, Carson had made one critical mistake €“ and it cost millions of people their lives.

Carson's Literary Acclaim

On Nov. 1, 1941, Rachel Carson published her first book, Under the Sea-Wind.. Although written for adults, the book had a child-like sense of wonder. Under the Sea-Wind told the story of Silverbar, a sanderling that migrated from the Arctic Circle to Argentina; Scomber, a mackerel that traveled from New England to the Continental Shelf; and Anguilla, an American eel that journeyed to the Sargasso Sea to spawn. €œThere is poetry here,€� wrote one reviewer.

Most people under the age of 40 have never heard of Rachel Carson, but in the 60s, almost every American knew her name.

On July 2, 1951, Carson published her second book, The Sea Around Us. Two months later, The Sea Around Us was #1 on the New York Times bestseller list, where it remained for 39 weeks: a record. When the dust settled, The Sea Around Us had sold more than 1.3 million copies, been translated into 32 languages, won the National Book Award, and been made into a movie. Editors of the countrys leading newspapers voted Rachel Carson €œWoman of the Year.€�

In October 1955, Carson published her third book, The Edge of the Sea, a tour guide for the casual adventurer. The New Yorker serialized it, critics praised it and the public loved it: more than 70,000 copies were sold as it rocketed to #4 on the New York Times bestseller list.

Demonizing DDT

On Sept. 27, 1962, Rachel Carson changed her tone. Her next book, Silent Spring, which she called her €œpoison book,€� was an angry, no-holds-barred polemic against pesticides: especially DDT.

The first chapter of Silent Spring, titled €œA Fable for Tomorrow,€� was almost biblical, appealing to our sense that we had sinned against our Creator. €œThere was once a town in the heart of America where all life seemed to live in harmony with its surroundings. Then a strange blight crept over the area and everything began to change€¦ the cattle and sheep sickened and died€¦ streams were lifeless€¦ everywhere there was the shadow of death.€�

DDT was an effective weapon against an infection that has killed more people than any other: malaria.

Birds, especially, had fallen victim to this strange evil. In a town that had once €œthrobbed with scores of bird voices there was now no sound, only silence.€� A silent spring. Birds werent alone in their suffering. According to Carson, children suffered sudden death, aplastic anemia, birth defects, liver disease, chromosomal abnormalities, and leukemia €“ all caused by DDT. And women suffered infertility and uterine cancer.

Carson made it clear that she wasnt talking about something that might happen €“ she was talking about something that had happened. Our war against nature had become a war against ourselves.

In May 1963, Rachel Carson appeared before the Department of Commerce and asked for a €œPesticide Commission€� to regulate the untethered use of DDT. Ten years later, Carsons €œPesticide Commission€� became the Environmental Protection Agency, which immediately banned DDT. Following Americas lead, support for international use of DDT quickly dried up.

The Global Killer

Although DDT soon became synonymous with poison, the pesticide was an effective weapon in the fight against an infection that has killed €“ and continues to kill €“ more people than any other: malaria.

By 1960, due largely to DDT, malaria had been eliminated from 11 countries, including the United States. As malaria rates went down, life expectancies went up; as did crop production, land values, and relative wealth.

Probably no country benefited from DDT more than Nepal, where spraying began in 1960. At the time, more than two million Nepalese, mostly children, suffered from malaria. By 1968, the number was reduced to 2,500; and life expectancy increased from 28 to 42 years.

After DDT was banned, malaria reemerged across the globe:

In India, between 1952 and 1962, DDT caused a decrease in annual malaria cases from 100 million to 60,000. By the late 1970s, no longer able to use DDT, the number of cases increased to 6 million.

In Sri Lanka, before the use of DDT, 2.8 million people suffered from malaria. When the spraying stopped, only 17 people suffered from the disease. Then, no longer able to use DDT, Sri Lanka suffered a massive malaria epidemic: 1.5 million people were infected by the parasite.

In South Africa, after DDT became unavailable, the number of malaria cases increased from 8,500 to 42,000 and malaria deaths from 22 to 320.

Since the mid-1970s, when DDT was eliminated from global eradication efforts, tens of millions of people have died from malaria unnecessarily: most have been children less than five years old. While it was reasonable to have banned DDT for agricultural use, it was unreasonable to have eliminated it from public health use.

Costing Lives

Environmentalists have argued that when it came to DDT, it was pick your poison. If DDT was banned, more people would die from malaria. But if DDT wasnt banned, people would suffer and die from a variety of other diseases, not the least of which was cancer. However, studies in Europe, Canada, and the United States have since shown that DDT didnt cause the human diseases Carson had claimed.


Indeed, the only type of cancer that had increased in the United States during the DDT era was lung cancer, which was caused by cigarette smoking. DDT was arguably one of the safer insect repellents ever invented €“ far safer than many of the pesticides that have taken its place.

Carsons supporters argued that, had she lived longer, she would never have promoted a ban on DDT for the control of malaria. Indeed, in Silent Spring, Carson wrote, €œIt is not my contention that chemical pesticides never be used.€� But it was her contention that DDT caused leukemia, liver disease, birth defects, premature births, and a whole range of chronic illnesses.

An influential author cant, on the one hand, claim that DDT causes leukemia (which, in 1962, was a death sentence) and then, on the other hand, expect that anything less than that a total ban of the chemical would result.

In 2006, the World Health Organization reinstated DDT as part of its effort to eradicate malaria. But not before millions of people had died needlessly from the disease..."

Reprinted from The Daily Beast.

Paul A. Offit is a professor of pediatrics and director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia. He is the author of Pandoras Lab: Seven Stories of Science Gone Wrong (National Geographic Press, April 2017).

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 2:40:57 PM UTC-10, GM wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 11:22:37 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:20:14 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:14:12 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> > We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the
> > > > > neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless
> > > > > lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito..
> > > > > Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have
> > > > > been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it
> > > > > makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right? >> > >>
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk >> >> DDT is a
> > > > > probable human carcinogen. >> >> Mosquitoes became resistant to
> > > > > DDT after 6-7 years of spraying. >> >> And, of course, Silent
> > > > > Spring. >>
> > > > > >> We're well rid of DDT.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria..
> > > > > > DDT might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well
> > > > > > okay then.
> > > > >
> > > > > Isn't there something to fight malaria with that's not carcinogenic?
> > > >
> > > > How many people die from cancer caused by DDT? How many kids die,
> > > > every day, from malaria? Thousands. I propose that we don't let fear
> > > > rule our lives and save the lives of kids. What else is there to say?
> > >
> > > Use of DDT in Hawaii would devistate the local animals (absolutely the
> > > birds). Try it in your own home first. The rest of us are over that..
> >
> > Well, that's the point of DDT, to kill the bugs. The effects were purely intentional. When we moved next to the Kawainui Marsh, the mosquitoes and other creatures were a nightmare. DDT took care of the mosquitoes after a couple of years. Praise the Lord!
> >
> > Hawaii is the extinction capital of the world and most of the local bird species are already wiped out. DDT had nothing to do with it - unless you got some other information about this. Of course, you don't. Mostly, yoose guys let fear be your co-pilot.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zXajYDnprQ
>
>
> Yup...here ya go:
>
> https://fee.org/articles/millions-di...ironmentalism/
>
> Millions Died Thanks to the Mother of Environmentalism
>
> Carson made a critical mistake and a lot of people died as a result.
>
> Saturday, June 17, 2017
>
> Paul A. Offit
>
> "On Jan. 24, 2017, PBS aired a two-hour special on Rachel Carson, the mother of the environmental movement. Although the program crossed the line from biography to hagiography, in Carsons case, the unbridled praise was well deserved €“ with one exception.
>
> Rachel Carson was an American hero. In the early 1960s, she was the first to warn that a pesticide called DDT could accumulate in the environment, the first to show that it could harm fish, birds, and other wildlife, the first to warn that its overuse would render it ineffective, and the first to predict that more natural means of pest control €“ like bacteria that killed mosquito larvae €“ should be used instead.
>
> Unfortunately, the PBS documentary neglected to mention that in her groundbreaking book, Silent Spring, Carson had made one critical mistake €“ and it cost millions of people their lives.
>
> Carson's Literary Acclaim
>
> On Nov. 1, 1941, Rachel Carson published her first book, Under the Sea-Wind. Although written for adults, the book had a child-like sense of wonder. Under the Sea-Wind told the story of Silverbar, a sanderling that migrated from the Arctic Circle to Argentina; Scomber, a mackerel that traveled from New England to the Continental Shelf; and Anguilla, an American eel that journeyed to the Sargasso Sea to spawn. €œThere is poetry here,€� wrote one reviewer.
>
> Most people under the age of 40 have never heard of Rachel Carson, but in the 60s, almost every American knew her name.
>
> On July 2, 1951, Carson published her second book, The Sea Around Us. Two months later, The Sea Around Us was #1 on the New York Times bestseller list, where it remained for 39 weeks: a record. When the dust settled, The Sea Around Us had sold more than 1.3 million copies, been translated into 32 languages, won the National Book Award, and been made into a movie. Editors of the countrys leading newspapers voted Rachel Carson €œWoman of the Year.€�
>
> In October 1955, Carson published her third book, The Edge of the Sea, a tour guide for the casual adventurer. The New Yorker serialized it, critics praised it and the public loved it: more than 70,000 copies were sold as it rocketed to #4 on the New York Times bestseller list.
>
> Demonizing DDT
>
> On Sept. 27, 1962, Rachel Carson changed her tone. Her next book, Silent Spring, which she called her €œpoison book,€� was an angry, no-holds-barred polemic against pesticides: especially DDT.
>
> The first chapter of Silent Spring, titled €œA Fable for Tomorrow,€� was almost biblical, appealing to our sense that we had sinned against our Creator. €œThere was once a town in the heart of America where all life seemed to live in harmony with its surroundings. Then a strange blight crept over the area and everything began to change€¦ the cattle and sheep sickened and died€¦ streams were lifeless€¦ everywhere there was the shadow of death.€�
>
> DDT was an effective weapon against an infection that has killed more people than any other: malaria.
>
> Birds, especially, had fallen victim to this strange evil. In a town that had once €œthrobbed with scores of bird voices there was now no sound, only silence.€� A silent spring. Birds werent alone in their suffering. According to Carson, children suffered sudden death, aplastic anemia, birth defects, liver disease, chromosomal abnormalities, and leukemia €“ all caused by DDT. And women suffered infertility and uterine cancer.
>
> Carson made it clear that she wasnt talking about something that might happen €“ she was talking about something that had happened. Our war against nature had become a war against ourselves.
>
> In May 1963, Rachel Carson appeared before the Department of Commerce and asked for a €œPesticide Commission€� to regulate the untethered use of DDT. Ten years later, Carsons €œPesticide Commission€� became the Environmental Protection Agency, which immediately banned DDT. Following Americas lead, support for international use of DDT quickly dried up.
>
> The Global Killer
>
> Although DDT soon became synonymous with poison, the pesticide was an effective weapon in the fight against an infection that has killed €“ and continues to kill €“ more people than any other: malaria.
>
> By 1960, due largely to DDT, malaria had been eliminated from 11 countries, including the United States. As malaria rates went down, life expectancies went up; as did crop production, land values, and relative wealth.
>
> Probably no country benefited from DDT more than Nepal, where spraying began in 1960. At the time, more than two million Nepalese, mostly children, suffered from malaria. By 1968, the number was reduced to 2,500; and life expectancy increased from 28 to 42 years.
>
> After DDT was banned, malaria reemerged across the globe:
>
> In India, between 1952 and 1962, DDT caused a decrease in annual malaria cases from 100 million to 60,000. By the late 1970s, no longer able to use DDT, the number of cases increased to 6 million.
>
> In Sri Lanka, before the use of DDT, 2.8 million people suffered from malaria. When the spraying stopped, only 17 people suffered from the disease. Then, no longer able to use DDT, Sri Lanka suffered a massive malaria epidemic: 1.5 million people were infected by the parasite.
>
> In South Africa, after DDT became unavailable, the number of malaria cases increased from 8,500 to 42,000 and malaria deaths from 22 to 320.
>
> Since the mid-1970s, when DDT was eliminated from global eradication efforts, tens of millions of people have died from malaria unnecessarily: most have been children less than five years old. While it was reasonable to have banned DDT for agricultural use, it was unreasonable to have eliminated it from public health use.
>
> Costing Lives
>
> Environmentalists have argued that when it came to DDT, it was pick your poison. If DDT was banned, more people would die from malaria. But if DDT wasnt banned, people would suffer and die from a variety of other diseases, not the least of which was cancer. However, studies in Europe, Canada, and the United States have since shown that DDT didnt cause the human diseases Carson had claimed.
>
>
> Indeed, the only type of cancer that had increased in the United States during the DDT era was lung cancer, which was caused by cigarette smoking. DDT was arguably one of the safer insect repellents ever invented €“ far safer than many of the pesticides that have taken its place.
>
> Carsons supporters argued that, had she lived longer, she would never have promoted a ban on DDT for the control of malaria. Indeed, in Silent Spring, Carson wrote, €œIt is not my contention that chemical pesticides never be used.€� But it was her contention that DDT caused leukemia, liver disease, birth defects, premature births, and a whole range of chronic illnesses.
>
> An influential author cant, on the one hand, claim that DDT causes leukemia (which, in 1962, was a death sentence) and then, on the other hand, expect that anything less than that a total ban of the chemical would result.
>
> In 2006, the World Health Organization reinstated DDT as part of its effort to eradicate malaria. But not before millions of people had died needlessly from the disease..."
>
> Reprinted from The Daily Beast.
>
> Paul A. Offit is a professor of pediatrics and director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia. He is the author of Pandoras Lab: Seven Stories of Science Gone Wrong (National Geographic Press, April 2017).

It's a fairly tragic thing to have occured.

On 1/5/2020 3:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:20:14 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:14:12 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
>>>>
>>>> DDT is a probable human carcinogen.
>>>>
>>>> Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT after 6-7 years of spraying.
>>>>
>>>> And, of course, Silent Spring.
>>>>
>>>> We're well rid of DDT.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria. DDT might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well okay then.
>>
>> Isn't there something to fight malaria with that's not carcinogenic?
>
> How many people die from cancer caused by DDT? How many kids die, every day, from malaria? Thousands. I propose that we don't let fear rule our lives and save the lives of kids. What else is there to say?
>

Around 400,000 people die each year and 200+ million fall ill
70% of them are children under 5
#1 killer of pregnant women
Malaria is preventable
One way is the use of netting for sleeping.

According to the WHO:
Innovation in malaria control tools. Eliminating malaria in
all countries, especially those with a high disease burden, will likely
require new tools that are not available today. Investing in the
research and development of improved diagnostics, more effective
medicines, new insecticides and innovative vector control tools must be
a priority.

On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:39:47 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 3:33:27 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:20:14 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:14:12 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > >> > We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
>> > >>
>> > >> DDT is a probable human carcinogen.
>> > >>
>> > >> Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT after 6-7 years of spraying.
>> > >>
>> > >> And, of course, Silent Spring.
>> > >>
>> > >> We're well rid of DDT.
>> > >>
>> > >> Cindy Hamilton
>> > >
>> > >It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria. DDT might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well okay then.
>> >
>> > Isn't there something to fight malaria with that's not carcinogenic?
>>
>> How many people die from cancer caused by DDT? How many kids die, every day, from malaria? Thousands. I propose that we don't let fear rule our lives and save the lives of kids. What else is there to say?
>
>If DDT were being used in more than 12 countries, then a lot. Mortality
>in those 12 countries is probably not being driven by cancer. Something
>else gets them before they have an opportunity to develop cancer.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

According to the EPA, DDT can cause liver damage including liver
cancer, nervous system damage, congenital disabilities and other
reproductive harm.

DDT builds up because it becomes stored in fat cells.

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 17:03:44 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 1/5/2020 12:05 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 1/4/2020 5:17 PM, wrote:
>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:39:03 -0800 (PST), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 1:58:34 PM UTC-6,
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well the first problem is the fact that you are using cooking spray
>>>>> for anything at all. Oil in a bottle is bad enough because it is
>>>>> heavily processed. The crap in a can is the same but with added
>>>>> chemicals. Why would you ever want to eat that?
>>>>>
>>>> Source?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/health/the-t...cooking-sprays
>>>
>>>
>>> You should really learn how to look stuff up for yourself and stop
>>> asking for sources.
>>>
>>> * --
>>>
>>> ************** ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
>>>
>>
>>
>> " After reviewing animal studies, the World Health Organization stated
>> that they found no adverse health effects associated with
>> Dimethylpolysiloxane. However, personally, I’m uncomfortable feeding my
>> family a chemical that has uses in cosmetics and Silly Putty."
>>
>> She must be starving her family then.
>>
>
>There were a couple of dumb statements in her article. She does is
>concerned about ingesting the propellant also. I can't figure out how
>you eat something dispersed into the air.


well ed think of it this way, drinking a carbonated soda is from
putting the cola in a pressurized container and then adding CO2 to it.
when you drink the soda you are also drinking the CO2.

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

On Sun, 05 Jan 2020 18:32:56 -0600,
wrote:

>On Sun, 05 Jan 2020 09:54:56 -0500, wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 05 Jan 2020 06:04:03 -0600,
wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 03:03:34 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Taxed and Spent" > wrote in message
...
>>>>> Cooking spray contains soy lecithin which is said to, over time, gum up
>>>>> non stick pans.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is your experience?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think cooking in a non stick skillet will get gummed up, especially the
>>>>> parts where the cooking spray does not come in contact with food.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also wonder/think using on a muffing tin, for example, will be less of a
>>>>> problem, as it will be more in contact with food and likely to be exposed
>>>>> to lower temps during baking vs frying.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you use on your non stick muffin tins and oven pans?
>>>>>
>>>>> Please excuse the cooking related question, and thanks for your cooking
>>>>> related replies.
>>>>
>>>>The only spray I use is the Sam's club kind that is merely olive oil. For
>>>>muffin tins, I line them. If for some reason I needed to use oil, I would
>>>>use a bit of vegetable or coconut oil with a brush or paper towel.
>>>
>>>well what I do is buy olive oil and pour a bit in a spray bottle and I
>>>am set. when it runs out I unscrew the top put more in and I am good
>>>to go.
>>
>>Spray bottles atomize the oil,
>
>Uhh no
>
>
>>it coats the stovetop etc. and you
>
>again no
>
>>inhale some,
>
>and again no
>
>what you are describing is those pressurized spray cans like pam.
>
>That is not what I am talking about. I just use one of those squirt
>bottles like for wetting your hair

I've no idea what you're refering to... all the spray bottles I've
seen are atomizers... same as what some use for applying perfume.
A windex spray bottle is an atomizer, not pressurized. Pressurized
sprayers like hair spray and Pam are atomizers but are not refillable
because they rely on a gaseous propellent rather than a mechanical air
pump. The results are the same, both produce tiny droplets.
I see no benefit to spraying tiny droplets of cooking oil, it's
difficult to control where the droplets go, a lot end up in ones
lungs. Most people who cook for a living contract a respiratory
disease, AKA an occupational illness. It would be smart for
professional cooks to wear a respirator but I've not seen any using
one. Everytime I see young people flipping burgers I think how
they're shortening their lives for a few pennies, once lung tissue is
damaged it does not regenerate.

On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 10:57:04 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 4:50:09 AM UTC-10, wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 05:32:10 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 8:02:52 AM UTC-5, jay wrote:
>> >> On 1/5/20 4:49 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> > On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 9:31:34 PM UTC-5, jay wrote:
>> >> >> On 1/4/20 7:14 PM, wrote:
>> >> >>> On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 7:17:42 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:39:03 -0800 (PST), "
>> >> >>>> > wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 1:58:34 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Well the first problem is the fact that you are using cooking spray
>> >> >>>>>> for anything at all. Oil in a bottle is bad enough because it is
>> >> >>>>>> heavily processed. The crap in a can is the same but with added
>> >> >>>>>> chemicals. Why would you ever want to eat that?
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Source?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> https://www.foxnews.com/health/the-t...cooking-sprays
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> You should really learn how to look stuff up for yourself and stop
>> >> >>>> asking for sources.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>> You should quit post old, outdated shit, too.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> But why should I look anything up when you spout off junk like it's the
>> >> >>> gospel but don't back up your proclamations?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A nail! I have some spray, doesn't have anything listed in that
>> >> >> article. And furthermore who give a FLUCK considering how little one
>> >> >> probably uses. More harm done taking the multi dose vial flu shot....
>> >> >> thiomersal. A little mercury every year is harmless according to CDC.
>> >> >
>> >> > Did you have have mercury amalgam fillings? Did you survive it? Did
>> >> > you ever break a thermometer? Did you ever break a fluorescent tube?
>> >> > Have you ever eaten swordfish? Did your mom ever use Mercurochrome
>> >> > on a boo-boo?
>> >> >
>> >> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >>
>> >> No. N/A, No. No. No No. No mother.
>> >
>> >I've done all of those things over the years, and I'm still here to
>> >talk about it. I wouldn't use mercury as a beverage, but I'm not
>> >afraid of it, either. I don't even ask what's in the flu shot; I
>> >just roll up my sleeve.
>> >
>> >Actually, my hometown has been in the news:
>> >
>> ><https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/01/03/samples-taken-as-investigation-into-madison-heights-contamination-site-moves-forward/>
>> >
>> >> Connect just a couple dots. We have choices. All cooking spray is not evil.
>> >
>> >Christkiller is a nutbar. Any source he comes up with is likely to be
>> >bullshit.
>> >
>> >I've got two cans of cooking spray. The butter-flavored stuff (which I
>> >don't use but my husband does) has a lab's worth of crap in it. It's
>> >just not worth worrying about.
>>
>> funny thing is they said the exact same thing about DDT and the exact
>> same thing about cigarettes long ago in Rome they said the same thing
>> about lead. Just a few decades ago they said the same thing about
>> asbestos.
>> yeah I am a real nutbar.... but I do know that of which I speak.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> --
>>
>> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
>
>We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right?
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
Effects of DDT

Diabetes
Cretinism (a type of congenital hypothyroidism)
Asthma
Neurological problems
Irregular menstruation
Reduction in semen quality
Decreased fertility in both men and women
Increased miscarriage
Premature birth
Low birth weight
Developmental delays in children
Some of these DDT effects are delayed until the second or later
generation. This means that a woman who is exposed to DDT may
experience no adverse effects, but her daughters may experience
infertility issues, for example.

DDT has also been linked as a contributing factor of several types of
cancer.

blood
liver
pancreas
lymphatic system
breast
testis
Studies have proven DDT’s role in causing breast, liver, and
pancreatic cancer, but evidence for the other cancers is not as solid.

DDT Effects on Animals
DDT in the environment may have negative effects on mammals just as it
does on humans. Felines and bats seem especially vulnerable to DDT.
Scientists think that some amphibians are also adversely affected by
DDT, though it has a much more detrimental effect on birds. DDT harms
the reproductive health of numerous birds and can cause very thin
eggshells that retard the development of the embryonic bird. Birds
most affected include:

eagles
hawks
pelicans
falcons
ospreys
ducks
geese
songbirds
Fish and Other Aquatic Life

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

On 2020-01-05 6:24 p.m., wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 17:03:44 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 1/5/2020 12:05 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>> On 1/4/2020 5:17 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:39:03 -0800 (PST), "
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 1:58:34 PM UTC-6,
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well the first problem is the fact that you are using cooking spray
>>>>>> for anything at all. Oil in a bottle is bad enough because it is
>>>>>> heavily processed. The crap in a can is the same but with added
>>>>>> chemicals. Why would you ever want to eat that?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Source?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/health/the-t...cooking-sprays
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You should really learn how to look stuff up for yourself and stop
>>>> asking for sources.
>>>>
>>>> Â* --
>>>>
>>>> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> " After reviewing animal studies, the World Health Organization stated
>>> that they found no adverse health effects associated with
>>> Dimethylpolysiloxane. However, personally, Im uncomfortable feeding my
>>> family a chemical that has uses in cosmetics and Silly Putty."
>>>
>>> She must be starving her family then.
>>>
>>
>> There were a couple of dumb statements in her article. She does is
>> concerned about ingesting the propellant also. I can't figure out how
>> you eat something dispersed into the air.
>
>
> well ed think of it this way, drinking a carbonated soda is from
> putting the cola in a pressurized container and then adding CO2 to it.
> when you drink the soda you are also drinking the CO2.
>
and then belching it!

graham wrote:
> On 2020-01-05 6:24 p.m., wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 17:03:44 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/5/2020 12:05 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>> On 1/4/2020 5:17 PM, wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:39:03 -0800 (PST),
>>>>> "
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 1:58:34 PM UTC-6,
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well the first problem is the fact that you are using
>>>>>>> cooking spray
>>>>>>> for anything at all. Oil in a bottle is bad enough because
>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>> heavily processed. The crap in a can is the same but with added
>>>>>>> chemicals. Why would you ever want to eat that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Source?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/health/the-t...cooking-sprays
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You should really learn how to look stuff up for yourself and
>>>>> stop
>>>>> asking for sources.
>>>>>
>>>>> Â*ÂÂ* --
>>>>>
>>>>> Â*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ*ÂÂ* ÂÂ*ÂÂ* ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> " After reviewing animal studies, the World Health Organization
>>>> stated
>>>> that they found no adverse health effects associated with
>>>> Dimethylpolysiloxane. However, personally, I€„¢m uncomfortable
>>>> feeding my
>>>> family a chemical that has uses in cosmetics and Silly Putty."
>>>>
>>>> She must be starving her family then.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There were a couple of dumb statements in her article.Â* She does is
>>> concerned about ingesting the propellant also.Â* I can't figure
>>> out how
>>> you eat something dispersed into the air.
>>
>>
>> well ed think of it this way, drinking a carbonated soda is from
>> putting the cola in a pressurized container and then adding CO2
>> to it.
>> when you drink the soda you are also drinking the CO2.
>>
> and then belching it!

Also comes out the rear end. Flatus.

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 3:50:30 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:39:50 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 3:33:27 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 10:20:14 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:14:12 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > >> > We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
> > > > >>
> > > > >> DDT is a probable human carcinogen.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Mosquitoes became resistant to DDT after 6-7 years of spraying.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> And, of course, Silent Spring.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> We're well rid of DDT.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > > > >
> > > > >It is estimated that a child dies every 12 seconds from malaria. DDT might be carcinogenic. Silent Spring was a popular book. Well okay then.
> > > >
> > > > Isn't there something to fight malaria with that's not carcinogenic?
> > >
> > > How many people die from cancer caused by DDT? How many kids die, every day, from malaria? Thousands. I propose that we don't let fear rule our lives and save the lives of kids. What else is there to say?
> >
> > If DDT were being used in more than 12 countries, then a lot. Mortality
> > in those 12 countries is probably not being driven by cancer. Something
> > else gets them before they have an opportunity to develop cancer.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> I can't figure out what you're trying to say. As far as America goes, we don't need DDT. I'm talking about other countries - especially those in Africa.

Where it isn't banned. Where it's in use. What's your problem?

I'd like to see use of DDT completely stopped, but other anti-malarial
measures would represent a huge fraction of the health budgets of
sub-Saharan African countries. It's sufficient that it is no longer
used in countries where it isn't needed.

Cindy Hamilton

cshenk wrote:
>
> WE have bald eagles here in Virginia Beach again. I even saw one in a
> front yard on Silina last year.

Again? I've always seen them at Seashore State Park.
(now renamed to First Landing State Park.)

On Sun, 05 Jan 2020 20:36:51 -0500, wrote:

>On Sun, 05 Jan 2020 18:32:56 -0600,
wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 05 Jan 2020 09:54:56 -0500, wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 05 Jan 2020 06:04:03 -0600,
wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 03:03:34 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Taxed and Spent" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>> Cooking spray contains soy lecithin which is said to, over time, gum up
>>>>>> non stick pans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is your experience?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think cooking in a non stick skillet will get gummed up, especially the
>>>>>> parts where the cooking spray does not come in contact with food.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also wonder/think using on a muffing tin, for example, will be less of a
>>>>>> problem, as it will be more in contact with food and likely to be exposed
>>>>>> to lower temps during baking vs frying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you use on your non stick muffin tins and oven pans?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please excuse the cooking related question, and thanks for your cooking
>>>>>> related replies.
>>>>>
>>>>>The only spray I use is the Sam's club kind that is merely olive oil. For
>>>>>muffin tins, I line them. If for some reason I needed to use oil, I would
>>>>>use a bit of vegetable or coconut oil with a brush or paper towel.
>>>>
>>>>well what I do is buy olive oil and pour a bit in a spray bottle and I
>>>>am set. when it runs out I unscrew the top put more in and I am good
>>>>to go.
>>>
>>>Spray bottles atomize the oil,
>>
>>Uhh no
>>
>>
>>>it coats the stovetop etc. and you
>>
>>again no
>>
>>>inhale some,
>>
>>and again no
>>
>>what you are describing is those pressurized spray cans like pam.
>>
>>That is not what I am talking about. I just use one of those squirt
>>bottles like for wetting your hair
>
>I've no idea what you're refering to... all the spray bottles I've
>seen are atomizers... same as what some use for applying perfume.
>A windex spray bottle is an atomizer, not pressurized.


yes we are talking about the same thing. Oil however does not
"atomize" as you say. Even when the nozzle is set to mist it will
usually still come out in a stream.


> Pressurized
>sprayers like hair spray and Pam are atomizers but are not refillable
>because they rely on a gaseous propellent rather than a mechanical air
>pump. The results are the same, both produce tiny droplets.
>I see no benefit to spraying tiny droplets of cooking oil, it's
>difficult to control where the droplets go, a lot end up in ones
>lungs. Most people who cook for a living contract a respiratory
>disease, AKA an occupational illness. It would be smart for
>professional cooks to wear a respirator but I've not seen any using
>one. Everytime I see young people flipping burgers I think how
>they're shortening their lives for a few pennies, once lung tissue is
>damaged it does not regenerate.

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>
> yes we are talking about the same thing. Oil however does not
> "atomize" as you say. Even when the nozzle is set to mist it will
> usually still come out in a stream.
>
atomize
[ˈadəˌmīz]

VERB
convert (a substance) into very fine particles or droplets.

Hmmmmmmm, that must be a phenomenon that only happens in your kitchen when
the oil comes out in a stream. I've got a pump spray bottle of PAM and it, indeed, does come out in a fine mist. Hasn't failed yet to lightly spritz
food.

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 3:39:23 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 10:57:04 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 4:50:09 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> >> On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 05:32:10 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 8:02:52 AM UTC-5, jay wrote:
> >> >> On 1/5/20 4:49 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> > On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 9:31:34 PM UTC-5, jay wrote:
> >> >> >> On 1/4/20 7:14 PM, wrote:
> >> >> >>> On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 7:17:42 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:39:03 -0800 (PST), "
> >> >> >>>> > wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 1:58:34 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Well the first problem is the fact that you are using cooking spray
> >> >> >>>>>> for anything at all. Oil in a bottle is bad enough because it is
> >> >> >>>>>> heavily processed. The crap in a can is the same but with added
> >> >> >>>>>> chemicals. Why would you ever want to eat that?
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Source?
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> https://www.foxnews.com/health/the-t...cooking-sprays
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> You should really learn how to look stuff up for yourself and stop
> >> >> >>>> asking for sources.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>> You should quit post old, outdated shit, too.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> But why should I look anything up when you spout off junk like it's the
> >> >> >>> gospel but don't back up your proclamations?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> A nail! I have some spray, doesn't have anything listed in that
> >> >> >> article. And furthermore who give a FLUCK considering how little one
> >> >> >> probably uses. More harm done taking the multi dose vial flu shot....
> >> >> >> thiomersal. A little mercury every year is harmless according to CDC.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Did you have have mercury amalgam fillings? Did you survive it? Did
> >> >> > you ever break a thermometer? Did you ever break a fluorescent tube?
> >> >> > Have you ever eaten swordfish? Did your mom ever use Mercurochrome
> >> >> > on a boo-boo?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cindy Hamilton
> >> >>
> >> >> No. N/A, No. No. No No. No mother.
> >> >
> >> >I've done all of those things over the years, and I'm still here to
> >> >talk about it. I wouldn't use mercury as a beverage, but I'm not
> >> >afraid of it, either. I don't even ask what's in the flu shot; I
> >> >just roll up my sleeve.
> >> >
> >> >Actually, my hometown has been in the news:
> >> >
> >> ><https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/01/03/samples-taken-as-investigation-into-madison-heights-contamination-site-moves-forward/>
> >> >
> >> >> Connect just a couple dots. We have choices. All cooking spray is not evil.
> >> >
> >> >Christkiller is a nutbar. Any source he comes up with is likely to be
> >> >bullshit.
> >> >
> >> >I've got two cans of cooking spray. The butter-flavored stuff (which I
> >> >don't use but my husband does) has a lab's worth of crap in it. It's
> >> >just not worth worrying about.
> >>
> >> funny thing is they said the exact same thing about DDT and the exact
> >> same thing about cigarettes long ago in Rome they said the same thing
> >> about lead. Just a few decades ago they said the same thing about
> >> asbestos.
> >> yeah I am a real nutbar.... but I do know that of which I speak.
> >> >
> >> >Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
> >
> >We used to have DDT trucks drive down our streets spraying the neighborhood. I'm still around and kicking. DDT has saved countless lives from the most dangerous killer on this planet. The mosquito. Several thousand kids die every day from malaria which could have been prevented by DDT. That's just insanity but I suppose if it makes folks like you feel safer, it's all worth it, right?
> >
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dDy0o3IIpk
> Effects of DDT
>
> Diabetes
> Cretinism (a type of congenital hypothyroidism)
> Asthma
> Neurological problems
> Irregular menstruation
> Reduction in semen quality
> Decreased fertility in both men and women
> Increased miscarriage
> Premature birth
> Low birth weight
> Developmental delays in children
> Some of these DDT effects are delayed until the second or later
> generation. This means that a woman who is exposed to DDT may
> experience no adverse effects, but her daughters may experience
> infertility issues, for example.
>
> DDT has also been linked as a contributing factor of several types of
> cancer.
>
> blood
> liver
> pancreas
> lymphatic system
> breast
> testis
> Studies have proven DDTs role in causing breast, liver, and
> pancreatic cancer, but evidence for the other cancers is not as solid.
>
> DDT Effects on Animals
> DDT in the environment may have negative effects on mammals just as it
> does on humans. Felines and bats seem especially vulnerable to DDT.
> Scientists think that some amphibians are also adversely affected by
> DDT, though it has a much more detrimental effect on birds. DDT harms
> the reproductive health of numerous birds and can cause very thin
> eggshells that retard the development of the embryonic bird. Birds
> most affected include:
>
> eagles
> hawks
> pelicans
> falcons
> ospreys
> ducks
> geese
> songbirds
> Fish and Other Aquatic Life
>
> --
>
> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

You might want to verify all these deadly effect that you believe in. My guess is that you're preaching fairy tales. I'm not one to believe in preachers.

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/ddtgen.pdf

On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> >
> > yes we are talking about the same thing. Oil however does not
> > "atomize" as you say. Even when the nozzle is set to mist it will
> > usually still come out in a stream.
> >
> atomize
> [ˈadəˌmīz]
>
> VERB
> convert (a substance) into very fine particles or droplets.
>
> Hmmmmmmm, that must be a phenomenon that only happens in your kitchen when
> the oil comes out in a stream. I've got a pump spray bottle of PAM and it, indeed, does come out in a fine mist. Hasn't failed yet to lightly spritz
> food.

I'll have to pickup a bottle of the stuff. It sounds great. OTOH, I probably could just use a spray bottle and dilute the oil with a solvent. Vodka might work.

On 2020-01-06 3:09 p.m., heyjoe wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 15:30:10 -0700
> in Message-ID: >
> graham wrote :
>
>> Not to mention her questioning of the safety of eating GMOs. That's been
>> "put to bed" countless times.
>
> The time line on GMO's isn't long enough to prove if they are safe or
> dangerous.
>
> What I do NOT believe - producer/industry sponsored tests prove GMO's
> are safe.
>
> Also, the Government (don't care which one) is understaffed and behind
> technology advancements. Their test results are unrepeatable and
> unreliable . . .
>
> GMO safety - unproven.
>
Only on Kook sites.
The only danger from GMOs is in cross-pollinating the wild and
"naturally" bred plants.

On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 4:35:23 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
>
> I'll have to pickup a bottle of the stuff. It sounds great. OTOH, I probably could just use a spray bottle and dilute the oil with a solvent. Vodka might work.
>
When I do chicken in the Ninja Foodi and I want that crispy coating that comes
with frying I use a seasoned flour. Then the chicken pieces gets thoroughly
spritzed with the PAM pump and then air fried. The pieces come out great but
no splattering when actually frying in a skillet.

On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 1:14:42 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 4:35:23 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > I'll have to pickup a bottle of the stuff. It sounds great. OTOH, I probably could just use a spray bottle and dilute the oil with a solvent. Vodka might work.
> >
> When I do chicken in the Ninja Foodi and I want that crispy coating that comes
> with frying I use a seasoned flour. Then the chicken pieces gets thoroughly
> spritzed with the PAM pump and then air fried. The pieces come out great but
> no splattering when actually frying in a skillet.

I like to use the oil spray for making pancakes or waffles. They come out beautiful. I also use it for baking pans. I'm a very lazy cook.

On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 13:54:47 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>>
>> yes we are talking about the same thing. Oil however does not
>> "atomize" as you say. Even when the nozzle is set to mist it will
>> usually still come out in a stream.
>>
>atomize
>[?ad??m?z]
>
>VERB
>convert (a substance) into very fine particles or droplets.
>
>Hmmmmmmm, that must be a phenomenon that only happens in your kitchen when
>the oil comes out in a stream. I've got a pump spray bottle of PAM and it, indeed, does come out in a fine mist. Hasn't failed yet to lightly spritz
>food.

yeah PAM!
which will be a chemical hodge podge that will allow the oil to
separate.

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 15:21:06 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 1:14:42 PM UTC-10, wrote:
>> On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 4:35:23 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
>> >
>> > I'll have to pickup a bottle of the stuff. It sounds great. OTOH, I probably could just use a spray bottle and dilute the oil with a solvent. Vodka might work.
>> >
>> When I do chicken in the Ninja Foodi and I want that crispy coating that comes
>> with frying I use a seasoned flour. Then the chicken pieces gets thoroughly
>> spritzed with the PAM pump and then air fried. The pieces come out great but
>> no splattering when actually frying in a skillet.
>
>I like to use the oil spray for making pancakes or waffles. They come out beautiful. I also use it for baking pans. I'm a very lazy cook.


here is a tip for you!
When cooking pancakes use cocoanut oil

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 19:31:04 -0600,
wrote:

>On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 15:21:06 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>wrote:
>
>>On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 1:14:42 PM UTC-10, wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 4:35:23 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I'll have to pickup a bottle of the stuff. It sounds great. OTOH, I probably could just use a spray bottle and dilute the oil with a solvent. Vodka might work.
>>> >
>>> When I do chicken in the Ninja Foodi and I want that crispy coating that comes
>>> with frying I use a seasoned flour. Then the chicken pieces gets thoroughly
>>> spritzed with the PAM pump and then air fried. The pieces come out great but
>>> no splattering when actually frying in a skillet.
>>
>>I like to use the oil spray for making pancakes or waffles. They come out beautiful. I also use it for baking pans. I'm a very lazy cook.
>
>
>here is a tip for you!
>When cooking pancakes use cocoanut oil

As long as you don't think it's good for you.