On 2020-02-07 9:21 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> I'm having some prunes and a glass of cold water even
>> as we speak. After a short time in my stomach, everything is 98.6 F
>> anyway.
>
> Why the prunes? Just something you enjoy or is for a certain
> reason?
>
> To change the subject slightly..With the hot water thing.
> My mom (age 87) recently told me that she DOES often have
> a glass of warm milk in the evening to help her sleep.
>
> I've heard that before but I don't understand why it would
> help you sleep. Maybe it's just mind game - if you think it
> helps it will. I suspect that's the case with mom.
>
> Also - I like a glass of cold milk sometimes with certain
> meals but a glass of it warm is something I'll never try.
>
> Worked with a dummy once...young guy..he told me that each
> evening he drinks a cup of "Sleepy Time" herbal tea made by
> Celestial Seasonings. He claims it helps him sleep.
>
> I pointed out that it won't help you sleep. It's just tea
> with no caffeine (that might keep you awake). He disagreed.
> Another mind game for him. If you believe it, it will work.
>
>
>
> oh well.
>
Not only that but he will have to get up for a pee in the middle of the
night. Often, it's not easy to fall asleep after that.

On 2020-02-07 1:41 p.m., graham wrote:

>> I've heard that before but I don't understand why it would
>> help you sleep. Maybe it's just mind game - if you think it
>> helps it will. I suspect that's the case with mom.
>>
>> AlsoÂ* -Â* I like a glass of cold milk sometimes with certain
>> meals but a glass of it warm is something I'll never try.
>>
>> Worked with a dummy once...young guy..he told me that each
>> evening he drinks a cup of "Sleepy Time" herbal tea made by
>> Celestial Seasonings. He claims it helps him sleep.
>>
>> I pointed out that it won't help you sleep. It's just tea
>> with no caffeine (that might keep you awake). He disagreed.
>> Another mind game for him. If you believe it, it will work.
>>
>>
>>
>> oh well.
>>
> Not only that but he will have to get up for a pee in the middle of the
> night. Often, it's not easy to fall asleep after that.

When I used to have to work midnight shifts I used to have hot chocolate
and toast when I got home and it seemed to help me sleep. My body seemed
to run on its own particular function clock because regardless of what
time I got home and what time I got to bed I would invariably get a wake
up call from my bladder at noon. It took me way too long to realize that
if I did not get up and pee I would not get back to sleep. I eventually
learned that my best bet was to get up and go right away. I would be
back to bed within two minutes and then right back to sleep.

On 2020 Feb 6, , wrote
(in >):

> If Gary has a Kroger in his town he can purchase an 11 ounce jar of duck
> fat there for $11.99.

They have small jars of exotic fats for lots of money where I shop too. I
know that because my SIL was wanting a half pound of lard for biscuits. I
couldnt find a small amount of lard and couldnt justify a five pound
bucket.

leo

On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 16:53:02 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2020 Feb 6, , wrote
>(in >):
>
>> If Gary has a Kroger in his town he can purchase an 11 ounce jar of duck
>> fat there for $11.99.
>
>They have small jars of exotic fats for lots of money where I shop too. I
>know that because my SIL was wanting a half pound of lard for biscuits. I
>couldnt find a small amount of lard and couldnt justify a five pound
>bucket.

Any pangolin fat available where you are?

On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 10:20:11 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>
> To change the subject slightly..With the hot water thing.
> My mom (age 87) recently told me that she DOES often have
> a glass of warm milk in the evening to help her sleep.
>
> I've heard that before but I don't understand why it would
> help you sleep. Maybe it's just mind game - if you think it
> helps it will. I suspect that's the case with mom.
>
If I have trouble sleeping a glass of milk helps. When that doesn't seem to
work a slice of American cheese and a small glass of moo juice pretty much
does the trick for me helping me get to sleep.

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 17:06:06 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 10:20:11 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>>
>> To change the subject slightly..With the hot water thing.
>> My mom (age 87) recently told me that she DOES often have
>> a glass of warm milk in the evening to help her sleep.
>>
>> I've heard that before but I don't understand why it would
>> help you sleep. Maybe it's just mind game - if you think it
>> helps it will. I suspect that's the case with mom.
>>
>If I have trouble sleeping a glass of milk helps. When that doesn't seem to
>work a slice of American cheese and a small glass of moo juice pretty much
>does the trick for me helping me get to sleep.

From sheer boredom, I guess.

On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 7:10:39 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 17:06:06 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> >If I have trouble sleeping a glass of milk helps. When that doesn't seem to
> >work a slice of American cheese and a small glass of moo juice pretty much
> >does the trick for me helping me get to sleep.
>
> From sheer boredom, I guess.
>
I'm r.a.r.e.l.y. bored. Coming to RFC is like going to the circus
and one of the acts is a defensive mama bear defending her cub.

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 17:31:08 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 7:10:39 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 17:06:06 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >If I have trouble sleeping a glass of milk helps. When that doesn't seem to
>> >work a slice of American cheese and a small glass of moo juice pretty much
>> >does the trick for me helping me get to sleep.
>>
>> From sheer boredom, I guess.
>>
>I'm r.a.r.e.l.y. bored. Coming to RFC is like going to the circus
>and one of the acts is a defensive mama bear defending her cub.

Yes, it's a cuckoo's nest. It can be very entertaining. The good, the
bad and the ugly.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2020-02-07 1:41 p.m., graham wrote:
>
> > > I've heard that before but I don't understand why it would
> > > help you sleep. Maybe it's just mind game - if you think it
> > > helps it will. I suspect that's the case with mom.
> > >
> > > AlsoÂ* -Â* I like a glass of cold milk sometimes with certain
> > > meals but a glass of it warm is something I'll never try.
> > >
> > > Worked with a dummy once...young guy..he told me that each
> > > evening he drinks a cup of "Sleepy Time" herbal tea made by
> > > Celestial Seasonings. He claims it helps him sleep.
> > >
> > > I pointed out that it won't help you sleep. It's just tea
> > > with no caffeine (that might keep you awake). He disagreed.
> > > Another mind game for him. If you believe it, it will work.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > oh well.
> > >
> > Not only that but he will have to get up for a pee in the middle of
> > the night. Often, it's not easy to fall asleep after that.
>
> When I used to have to work midnight shifts I used to have hot
> chocolate and toast when I got home and it seemed to help me sleep.
> My body seemed to run on its own particular function clock because
> regardless of what time I got home and what time I got to bed I would
> invariably get a wake up call from my bladder at noon. It took me way
> too long to realize that if I did not get up and pee I would not get
> back to sleep. I eventually learned that my best bet was to get up
> and go right away. I would be back to bed within two minutes and then
> right back to sleep.

Shift work is something I did for ages. Worst was the '2/2/80's' of
the Navy RM community. It works out to 195 hours a month (once you add
in turnover time) vs 160 a month. The 160 a month get holidays, the
2/2/80 folks do not get *any* holidays.

Gary wrote:
> songbird wrote:
>> Gary wrote:
>> > I read an article once that suggested eating a small
>> > apple 20-30 minutes before you cook dinner. You'll find
>> > yourself cooking a much smaller dinner. I tried it and
>> > it works.
>>
>> if you don't have apples a few prunes or any other fruit
>> and a glass of hot water in the middle of winter also helps
>> make you feel a lot fuller for longer, extra fiber hardly
>> ever hurts most people as they don't get enough anyways.
>
> Do plums count for fiber as well as their dried prune version?
> I'll occasionally eat fresh plums but never bought prunes.

sure, better yet IMO as they aren't processed/dried
and likely treated with some preservative (sulfides or ?).


> Also... what does the hot water (vs cold water) do?

warms you up some. helps hydrate the pulp faster so
it swells up sooner and less gets passed on through the
upper intestine before it has been mixed around in the
stomach for a while. this is likely not a major problem.
i like to do this in the winter. in the summer i'm eating
a lot more fresh produce and so don't need this sort of
added fiber and cold water is more likely a big part of
my hydration.

i do like hot chocolate and well buttered toast (home-
made) as a meal at times in the winter. like in the
summer of ancient days i would also like french fries
and a chocolate malt for dipping them. all those
flavor and temperature contrasts...


songbird

Dave Smith wrote:
....
> When I was a kid we often has stewed prunes for dessert. I always liked
> them. Maybe it's time to make some for myself.

yep, i always liked them, other kids at school often
didn't. i didn't care. food was food and i was happy
to have some.


songbird

Gary wrote:
....
> To change the subject slightly..With the hot water thing.
> My mom (age 87) recently told me that she DOES often have
> a glass of warm milk in the evening to help her sleep.

may make her feel warmer for a bit. getting into a
cold bed can be a bit tougher at times when it gets
cold outside. i know older people feel the cold more.


> I've heard that before but I don't understand why it would
> help you sleep. Maybe it's just mind game - if you think it
> helps it will. I suspect that's the case with mom.

milk sugars may give the brain a slight boost
and feeling of comfort. sugar is addictive. aside
from the heat... and perhaps, yes, some of it could
be placeboish.


> Also - I like a glass of cold milk sometimes with certain
> meals but a glass of it warm is something I'll never try.

almost any sort of chocolate and many cakes i have
a big preference for milk along with them. cookies too.

some hot/spicy foods if they are super hot it helps
to calm the burn down with a milk that has some fat in
it.


> Worked with a dummy once...young guy..he told me that each
> evening he drinks a cup of "Sleepy Time" herbal tea made by
> Celestial Seasonings. He claims it helps him sleep.

never know, some people can react to all sorts of
things. it never made any difference to me. the most
important thing for the quality of sleep for me was the
lack of caffiene and it being warm. just plain hot
water is ok.


> I pointed out that it won't help you sleep. It's just tea
> with no caffeine (that might keep you awake). He disagreed.
> Another mind game for him. If you believe it, it will work.

i can drink water before bed and sleep all night
without having to get up to pee - but getting older
isn't for the weak...


> oh well.

yeah, life goes on.


songbird

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 11:20:11 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > I'm having some prunes and a glass of cold water even
>> > as we speak. After a short time in my stomach, everything is 98.6 F
>> > anyway.
>>
>> Why the prunes? Just something you enjoy or is for a certain
>> reason?
>
> Portable. Easily eaten during my morning break. Helps keep me
> "regular".

yeah. extra fiber, not too much super sweetness to them,
i have to eat them if i have more than a few small bites of
cheese or some other foods. just helps to keep things
moving along, but also, like i mentioned before, it will
also help you feel full longer. if i'm not having beans
then i want some other fiber with a meal.


songbird

On 2020 Feb 7, , cshenk wrote
(in >):

> Shift work is something I did for ages. Worst was the '2/2/80's' of
> the Navy RM community. It works out to 195 hours a month (once you add
> in turnover time) vs 160 a month. The 160 a month get holidays, the
> 2/2/80 folks do not get *any* holidays.

When I was in my early twenties, I worked in a naval munitions making
facility. It was during the Viet Nam war, and we occasionally worked six
days of ten hours for a month at a time. I was a production worker, worked
60 hours a week, and got overtime for every day that we worked over eight
hours. I hated it.
Then I was recruited into a critical position, at the time, because of my
degree and ran a swing shift at the chem lab. I was paid the same as if I
was still in production, but I didnt care at the time. We worked seven
days a week for eight hours a day for a couple of months. Thats only 56
hours a week and paid a lot less than six tens.
For two months, I got up every day and went to work for eight hours. It was
a relentless, bleak time for an unmarried young man who enjoyed an
€œoccasional€� beer and rare smile from a lady who wasnt working for
them. I didnt miss an hour of work.

leo

On 2020 Feb 7, , Bruce wrote
(in >):

> Any pangolin fat available where you are?

I don't even have to look this up. That fat is confined to South America.

leo

On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 20:28:50 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2020 Feb 7, , Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> Any pangolin fat available where you are?
>
>I don't even have to look this up. That fat is confined to South America.

<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7977719/Pangolins-link-enabled-coronavirus-spread-bats-humans.html>

On 2020 Feb 7, , Bruce wrote
(in >):

> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-enabled-coron
> avirus-spread-bats-humans.html>

I should have looked it up. I got pangolins mixed up with ant eaters. Im
getting old.

leo

On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 21:56:12 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2020 Feb 7, , Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-enabled-coron
>> avirus-spread-bats-humans.html>
>
>I should have looked it up. I got pangolins mixed up with ant eaters. Im
>getting old.

They look like ant eaters to me.

On 2020-02-08 12:56 a.m., Leo wrote:
> On 2020 Feb 7, , Bruce wrote
> (in >):
>
>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-enabled-coron
>> avirus-spread-bats-humans.html>
>
> I should have looked it up. I got pangolins mixed up with ant eaters. Im
> getting old.
>

Pangolins are anteaters.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> Chamomile. Many people find it relaxes them. Some people find
> it makes them drowsy.

I looked this morning. I do have a box of the Celistial
Seasonings herbal tea - Honey Vanilla Chamomile.

My daughter bought it years ago but I've never tried it.
I've never needed help with sleeping.

On 2020-02-08 11:10 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> Chamomile. Many people find it relaxes them. Some people find
>> it makes them drowsy.
>
> I looked this morning. I do have a box of the Celistial
> Seasonings herbal tea - Honey Vanilla Chamomile.
>
> My daughter bought it years ago but I've never tried it.
> I've never needed help with sleeping.
>

My wife brought home some lemon ginger tea and I had some with my
breakfast. It was delicious. I may start drinking more of that stuff
instead of the regular tea with caffeine.

songbird wrote:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 11:20:11 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > I'm having some prunes and a glass of cold water even
> >> > as we speak. After a short time in my stomach, everything is
> 98.6 F >> > anyway.
> >>
> >> Why the prunes? Just something you enjoy or is for a certain
> >> reason?
> >
> > Portable. Easily eaten during my morning break. Helps keep me
> > "regular".
>
> yeah. extra fiber, not too much super sweetness to them,
> i have to eat them if i have more than a few small bites of
> cheese or some other foods. just helps to keep things
> moving along, but also, like i mentioned before, it will
> also help you feel full longer. if i'm not having beans
> then i want some other fiber with a meal.
>
>
> songbird

Hehehe I understand. I eat a fairly high fiber diet as it is but
prunes are a gentle fiber that works well.

Leo wrote:

> On 2020 Feb 7, , cshenk wrote
> (in >):
>
> > Shift work is something I did for ages. Worst was the '2/2/80's' of
> > the Navy RM community. It works out to 195 hours a month (once you
> > add in turnover time) vs 160 a month. The 160 a month get holidays,
> > the 2/2/80 folks do not get any holidays.
>
> When I was in my early twenties, I worked in a naval munitions making
> facility. It was during the Viet Nam war, and we occasionally worked
> six days of ten hours for a month at a time. I was a production
> worker, worked 60 hours a week, and got overtime for every day that
> we worked over eight hours. I hated it.
> Then I was recruited into a critical position, at the time, because
> of my degree and ran a swing shift at the chem lab. I was paid the
> same as if I was still in production, but I didnt care at the time.
> We worked seven days a week for eight hours a day for a couple of
> months. Thats only 56 hours a week and paid a lot less than six tens.
> For two months, I got up every day and went to work for eight hours.
> It was a relentless, bleak time for an unmarried young man who
> enjoyed an €œoccasional€� beer and rare smile from a lady who wasnt
> working for them. I didnt miss an hour of work.
>
> leo

Ah, over time pay would have been lovely but no, I was military.
Probably the worst part of that time was the treatment by the M-F 8
hour shift folks (who rarely did the full 8 hours).

On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 "cshenk" wrote:
>songbird wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Friday, February 7, 2020 Gary wrote:
>> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> > I'm having some prunes and a glass of cold water even
>> >> > as we speak. After a short time in my stomach, everything is
>> 98.6 F >> > anyway.
>> >>
>> >> Why the prunes? Just something you enjoy or is for a certain
>> >> reason?
>> >
>> > Portable. Easily eaten during my morning break. Helps keep me
>> > "regular".
>>
>> yeah. extra fiber, not too much super sweetness to them,
>> i have to eat them if i have more than a few small bites of
>> cheese or some other foods. just helps to keep things
>> moving along, but also, like i mentioned before, it will
>> also help you feel full longer. if i'm not having beans
>> then i want some other fiber with a meal.
>> songbird
>
>Hehehe I understand. I eat a fairly high fiber diet as it is but
>prunes are a gentle fiber that works well.

I prefer Metamucil... far lower calories and nothing to get stuck
between teeth... I like prunes, dates, and figs too, all high fiber
but also high in sugar and then flossing is manditory. My favorite is
compote (stewed dried fruit), I find it addictive, difficult to stop
eating.
However I also eat a lot of raw veggies (salads), we both do, in fact
we will both have a large salad for dinner tonight, only mine will
contain a raw onion,

Gary wrote:
....
> I've never needed help with sleeping.

i went through a spell where i was taking an hour or two
to fall asleep. i started learning Tai Chi and relaxation
exercises. since then, i get tired, roll over, hug my
pillow and i'm out in a few minutes most of the time. it
is rare that i can't sleep. good exercise, improving
the diet and trying to keep a decent schedule all help
too.


songbird

On 2020-02-08 2:15 p.m., songbird wrote:
> Gary wrote:
> ...
>> I've never needed help with sleeping.
>
> i went through a spell where i was taking an hour or two
> to fall asleep. i started learning Tai Chi and relaxation
> exercises. since then, i get tired, roll over, hug my
> pillow and i'm out in a few minutes most of the time. it
> is rare that i can't sleep. good exercise, improving
> the diet and trying to keep a decent schedule all help
> too.

I usually read at bed time. I read until I start getting confused.
Then I turn off my light, close my eyes and I usually fall asleep within
minutes.

On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I usually read at bed time. I read until I start getting confused.
> Then I turn off my light, close my eyes and I usually fall asleep within
> minutes.
>
Pretty much the same here and when the eyes refuse to cooperate is when I go
for a slice of American cheese and a small glass of milk.

On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 10:11:57 AM UTC-10, songbird wrote:
> Gary wrote:
> ...
> > I've never needed help with sleeping.
>
> i went through a spell where i was taking an hour or two
> to fall asleep. i started learning Tai Chi and relaxation
> exercises. since then, i get tired, roll over, hug my
> pillow and i'm out in a few minutes most of the time. it
> is rare that i can't sleep. good exercise, improving
> the diet and trying to keep a decent schedule all help
> too.
>
>
> songbird

We had a death in the family nearly two months ago. Since then, my sleep has been messed up. I'll go to bed at midnight or so and wake up less than 2 hours later. I'll wake up and hope that it's 5am or so but it'll only be 1:45 or so. That's a big bummer. I seem to be only able to sleep 2 hours or so at a time. Hopefully, I'll be regular soon.

dsi1 wrote:

> On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 10:11:57 AM UTC-10, songbird wrote:
> > Gary wrote:
> > ...
> > > I've never needed help with sleeping.
> >
> > i went through a spell where i was taking an hour or two
> > to fall asleep. i started learning Tai Chi and relaxation
> > exercises. since then, i get tired, roll over, hug my
> > pillow and i'm out in a few minutes most of the time. it
> > is rare that i can't sleep. good exercise, improving
> > the diet and trying to keep a decent schedule all help
> > too.
> >
> >
> > songbird
>
> We had a death in the family nearly two months ago. Since then, my sleep has been messed up. I'll go to bed at midnight or so and wake up less than 2 hours later. I'll wake up and hope that it's 5am or so but it'll only be 1:45 or so. That's a big bummer. I seem to be only able to sleep 2 hours or so at a time. Hopefully, I'll be regular soon.


"You can sleep when you die..."

;-D

--
Best
Greg

On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 1:23:04 PM UTC-10, GM wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 10:11:57 AM UTC-10, songbird wrote:
> > > Gary wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > I've never needed help with sleeping.
> > >
> > > i went through a spell where i was taking an hour or two
> > > to fall asleep. i started learning Tai Chi and relaxation
> > > exercises. since then, i get tired, roll over, hug my
> > > pillow and i'm out in a few minutes most of the time. it
> > > is rare that i can't sleep. good exercise, improving
> > > the diet and trying to keep a decent schedule all help
> > > too.
> > >
> > >
> > > songbird
> >
> > We had a death in the family nearly two months ago. Since then, my sleep has been messed up. I'll go to bed at midnight or so and wake up less than 2 hours later. I'll wake up and hope that it's 5am or so but it'll only be 1:45 or so. That's a big bummer. I seem to be only able to sleep 2 hours or so at a time. Hopefully, I'll be regular soon.
>
>
> "You can sleep when you die..."
>
> ;-D
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

Some people believe that. Not me. My kids used to not sleep. This was worrisome to me. I associate insomnia with mental disorders. OTOH, the US looks to Hawaii to lead the way in this area.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/s...-america.html/

On 2020-02-08 6:41 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
-- Best Greg
>
> Some people believe that. Not me. My kids used to not sleep. This was
> worrisome to me. I associate insomnia with mental disorders. OTOH,
> the US looks to Hawaii to lead the way in this area.

My son has a lot of trouble sleeping. When he was little he was a great
sleeper. His problems started when lived in Uganda when he was 20. He
reacted badly to the malaria prophylaxis. He was supposed to take it
once a week but the side effects bothered him so much he started doing
it every week and a half, alternating Wednesdays and Fridays. One week
he screwed up and too the second one after only half a week. He had
psychotic moments and almost checked himself into the hospital. Here we
are 20 years later and he says that he has nightmares every night, and
occasional night terrors. His experience has me questioning why there
is so much PTSD in the military these days and if their symptoms are the
result of that malarian prophylaxis that they have to take when deployed
to hot climates.

On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 1:53:28 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 "cshenk" wrote:
> >songbird wrote:
> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > On Friday, February 7, 2020 Gary wrote:
> >> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> > I'm having some prunes and a glass of cold water even
> >> >> > as we speak. After a short time in my stomach, everything is
> >> 98.6 F >> > anyway.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why the prunes? Just something you enjoy or is for a certain
> >> >> reason?
> >> >
> >> > Portable. Easily eaten during my morning break. Helps keep me
> >> > "regular".
> >>
> >> yeah. extra fiber, not too much super sweetness to them,
> >> i have to eat them if i have more than a few small bites of
> >> cheese or some other foods. just helps to keep things
> >> moving along, but also, like i mentioned before, it will
> >> also help you feel full longer. if i'm not having beans
> >> then i want some other fiber with a meal.
> >> songbird
> >
> >Hehehe I understand. I eat a fairly high fiber diet as it is but
> >prunes are a gentle fiber that works well.
>
> I prefer Metamucil... far lower calories and nothing to get stuck
> between teeth... I like prunes, dates, and figs too, all high fiber
> but also high in sugar and then flossing is manditory. My favorite is
> compote (stewed dried fruit), I find it addictive, difficult to stop
> eating.
> However I also eat a lot of raw veggies (salads), we both do, in fact
> we will both have a large salad for dinner tonight, only mine will
> contain a raw onion,

Everybody does what works for them. I have a couple ounces of prunes
every day for a midmorning snack. Flossing afterward is not a problem.

I eat a lot of vegetables, too. Mostly raw, but also cooked.

Cindy Hamilton

Dave Smith wrote:
> I usually read at bed time. I read until I start getting confused.

Same here. I'll read then maybe lightly dose then have to read
the page again.

> Then I turn off my light, close my eyes and I usually fall asleep within
> minutes.

I've tried that but once I turn off the light, I immediately
become wide awake and can't sleep.

I sleep well with light one, tv on (very low volume),and
a small fan on for the "white noise" it provides.

I suspect that if I ever get married again, a normal
wife would insist on her own separate bedroom. heh ehh
And that's why I doubt I'll ever get married again.
No normal women would put up with my bedroom habits.

Besides...I've been there, done that, once.

On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 1:56:56 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-02-08 6:41 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> -- Best Greg
> >
> > Some people believe that. Not me. My kids used to not sleep. This was
> > worrisome to me. I associate insomnia with mental disorders. OTOH,
> > the US looks to Hawaii to lead the way in this area.
>
> My son has a lot of trouble sleeping. When he was little he was a great
> sleeper. His problems started when lived in Uganda when he was 20. He
> reacted badly to the malaria prophylaxis. He was supposed to take it
> once a week but the side effects bothered him so much he started doing
> it every week and a half, alternating Wednesdays and Fridays. One week
> he screwed up and too the second one after only half a week. He had
> psychotic moments and almost checked himself into the hospital. Here we
> are 20 years later and he says that he has nightmares every night, and
> occasional night terrors. His experience has me questioning why there
> is so much PTSD in the military these days and if their symptoms are the
> result of that malarian prophylaxis that they have to take when deployed
> to hot climates.

That's an interesting theory. It should be investigated.

"dsi1" wrote in message
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On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 10:11:57 AM UTC-10, songbird wrote:
> Gary wrote:
> ...
> > I've never needed help with sleeping.
>
> i went through a spell where i was taking an hour or two
> to fall asleep. i started learning Tai Chi and relaxation
> exercises. since then, i get tired, roll over, hug my
> pillow and i'm out in a few minutes most of the time. it
> is rare that i can't sleep. good exercise, improving
> the diet and trying to keep a decent schedule all help
> too.
>
>
> songbird

We had a death in the family nearly two months ago. Since then, my sleep has
been messed up. I'll go to bed at midnight or so and wake up less than 2
hours later. I'll wake up and hope that it's 5am or so but it'll only be
1:45 or so. That's a big bummer. I seem to be only able to sleep 2 hours or
so at a time. Hopefully, I'll be regular soon.

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I am sorry to hear about your relative. I think it is normal to be
upset. I am sure you will get back to normal once you get used to it.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...
On 2020-02-08 6:41 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> -- Best Greg
> >
> > Some people believe that. Not me. My kids used to not sleep. This was
> > worrisome to me. I associate insomnia with mental disorders. OTOH,
> > the US looks to Hawaii to lead the way in this area.
>
> My son has a lot of trouble sleeping. When he was little he was a great
> sleeper. His problems started when lived in Uganda when he was 20. He
> reacted badly to the malaria prophylaxis. He was supposed to take it
> once a week but the side effects bothered him so much he started doing
> it every week and a half, alternating Wednesdays and Fridays. One week
> he screwed up and too the second one after only half a week. He had
> psychotic moments and almost checked himself into the hospital. Here we
> are 20 years later and he says that he has nightmares every night, and
> occasional night terrors. His experience has me questioning why there
> is so much PTSD in the military these days and if their symptoms are the
> result of that malarian prophylaxis that they have to take when deployed
> to hot climates.

That's an interesting theory. It should be investigated.

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It is some time ago but D. had the same problems with it when he was
serving in hot climates. I wonder if they still get it.