> wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 7:38:26 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> news
>> >
>> > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops.
>> > I'm
>> > glad we have gas here though.
>>
>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>
> Dunce. They're not trying to 'outlaw gas' they are just giving big
> incentives
> to builders who build all electric homes.
>
> Good grief.

Do you live in Seattle? No. When I say "here" I mean the area where I live.

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 01:13:20 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> wrote in message
...
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 7:38:26 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> news >>> >
>>> > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops.
>>> > I'm
>>> > glad we have gas here though.
>>>
>>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>>
>> Dunce. They're not trying to 'outlaw gas' they are just giving big
>> incentives
>> to builders who build all electric homes.
>>
>> Good grief.
>
>Do you live in Seattle? No. When I say "here" I mean the area where I live.

Who gives a rat's ass... all electric homes cost at least twice as
much to operate than petro fueled homes... electric heat costs three
times as much as gas heat. Besides, producing electric pollutes more.
There's no free lunch, science needs to figure it out... a lot more
research is needed... and I happen to know for a fact that solar is
not the answer. Solar panels are expensive to manufacture, are very
poluting to manufacture as they consist mostly of plastic, and they
are very short lived as plastic decomposes from exposure to UV light
(sun light), if you can get five years from a panel you'd be lucky.
The energy solution is very simple, there is way too much unprotected
****ing on this planet... no one should be permitted to produce a
hocky team. A couple should not be permitted to produce more than a
couple of kids, TWO! No one needs more than two kids, most can't
provide for more than one. The best solution to the energy crisis is
to practice oral sex.

On 2/19/2020 7:47 PM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 7:38:26 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> news
>>>
>>> The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
>>> glad we have gas here though.
>>
>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>
> Dunce. They're not trying to 'outlaw gas' they are just giving big incentives
> to builders who build all electric homes.
>
> Good grief.
>


If by incentive you mean prohibition, then you are right. Berkley and
San Jose (plus others, I imagine) have BANNED natural gas on new
construction.

"Taxed and Spent" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/19/2020 7:47 PM, wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 7:38:26 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>>
>>>> The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops.
>>>> I'm
>>>> glad we have gas here though.
>>>
>>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>>
>> Dunce. They're not trying to 'outlaw gas' they are just giving big
>> incentives
>> to builders who build all electric homes.
>>
>> Good grief.
>>
>
>
> If by incentive you mean prohibition, then you are right. Berkley and San
> Jose (plus others, I imagine) have BANNED natural gas on new construction.

Lots of places have.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>
>They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.

Why? Are you saying that outdoor gas grills will be outlawed? Are
you willing to share the reason for outlawing gas for cooking etc. or
is it just more of your idiotic BS?

On 2/20/2020 4:12 PM, Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
> Why? Are you saying that outdoor gas grills will be outlawed? Are
> you willing to share the reason for outlawing gas for cooking etc. or
> is it just more of your idiotic BS?
>
It has been in the news. They what to eliminate greenhouse gasses. In
some towns in CA no new natural gas. No mention of grills that I saw.

https://www.ewg.org/energy/22951/cit...al-gas-hookups

https://www.axios.com/natural-gas-ba...f1b67738e.html

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/20/2020 4:12 PM, Sheldon wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
> >>
> >> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
> >
> > Why? Are you saying that outdoor gas grills will be outlawed? Are
> > you willing to share the reason for outlawing gas for cooking etc. or
> > is it just more of your idiotic BS?
> >
> It has been in the news. They what to eliminate greenhouse gasses. In
> some towns in CA no new natural gas. No mention of grills that I saw.
>
> https://www.ewg.org/energy/22951/cit...al-gas-hookups
>
> https://www.axios.com/natural-gas-ba...f1b67738e.html

When we moved into our new home in Kailua back in the 1962, much ado was made about the kitchen and water heating and dryer being natural gas. It seemed so modern. That was the latest thing. 60 years later, there's nothing modern about it.

I'm not a fan of gas, it takes so long to heat up the pans and it made the kitchen an uncomfortable place to be in. My memories of how it felt to be in the kitchen are not good. My parents did save a large amount of money by using gas.

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:11:38 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/20/2020 4:12 PM, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>
>>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>
>> Why? Are you saying that outdoor gas grills will be outlawed? Are
>> you willing to share the reason for outlawing gas for cooking etc. or
>> is it just more of your idiotic BS?
>>
>It has been in the news. They what to eliminate greenhouse gasses. In
>some towns in CA no new natural gas. No mention of grills that I saw.
>
>https://www.ewg.org/energy/22951/cit...al-gas-hookups
>
>https://www.axios.com/natural-gas-ba...f1b67738e.html

News is unnecessary when you can make up all "facts" yourself.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>
>They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.

===

I just heard this morning that they are banning coal and raw wood for
fires from February next year.

That will be bad news for many people in this area who have wood and coal
stoves!

As time goes on I am sure more things will be banned. We use oil for
heating and there are murmurs about that too

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:31:33 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>>They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
>===
>
> I just heard this morning that they are banning coal and raw wood for
>fires from February next year.
>
> That will be bad news for many people in this area who have wood and coal
>stoves!
>
> As time goes on I am sure more things will be banned. We use oil for
>heating and there are murmurs about that too
>
>

Time for a Tory government!

On 2/21/2020 4:31 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
> ===
>
> Â* I just heard this morning that they are banning coal and raw wood for
> fires from February next year.
>
> Â* That will be bad news for many people in this area who have wood and
> coal stoves!
>
> Â*Â* As time goes on I am sure more things will be banned.Â* We use oil
> for heating and there are murmurs about that too
>
> Â*Â*

Having to rely on just electricity, would be disastrous - and expensive!
in my area.
Will they also be banning petrol powered backup generators?

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>>They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
> Why? Are you saying that outdoor gas grills will be outlawed? Are
> you willing to share the reason for outlawing gas for cooking etc. or
> is it just more of your idiotic BS?

No gas or propane. Fossil fuels you know. It's what the liberals want.

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>
>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
>It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
>being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>
>So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
>have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
>continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer.

For a low simmer you you need to use the smallest burner, the same
with gas stoves. The level of simmer also depends on the pot size and
how much is in it... it's difficult to get a low simmer with smaller
pots especialy with little in it. I suggest buying larger pot roasts,
at least 3 pounds, and cook your veggies in the pot with the meat and
have enough liquid so that it comes halfway up on the meat... add your
veggies during the last hour of cooking or they will over cook. You
should easily get a slow simmer when using a 6-8 quart pot...
sometimes you may need to tilt the lid to allow some heat to escape,
you may periodically need to add a bit more liquid to compensate for
evaporation.

>Oven seems hotter too

How can that be, there must be a calibrated dial or an LED readout...
get yourself an oven thermometer that lives in the oven to check, they
cost about $5. If the oven temperature setting doesn't agree with the
thermometer (within like +/-5º) there is something wrong with that
stove so you need to contact GE... sometimes oven thermostats are
faulty or not placed correctly.

>and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>
>There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
>why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and I
>freaking hate those things.

Natural gas can be problematic depending on topography... difficult to
install and service in hilly areas. But there's propane so there goes
your excuses. And propane costs a lot less than electric, by about
half. An electric stove is a big time electric consumer.

>Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted the
>veggies in the oven with a little beef broth.

WHY?
Should have added the veggies to the same pot with the meat.

>Should have cooked the meat a
>bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a touch
>more tender.

Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>replace
>>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>
>>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>
>>It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
>>being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>>overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>>warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>
>>So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>burners
>>have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
>>continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer.
>
> For a low simmer you you need to use the smallest burner, the same
> with gas stoves. The level of simmer also depends on the pot size and
> how much is in it... it's difficult to get a low simmer with smaller
> pots especialy with little in it. I suggest buying larger pot roasts,
> at least 3 pounds, and cook your veggies in the pot with the meat and
> have enough liquid so that it comes halfway up on the meat... add your
> veggies during the last hour of cooking or they will over cook. You
> should easily get a slow simmer when using a 6-8 quart pot...
> sometimes you may need to tilt the lid to allow some heat to escape,
> you may periodically need to add a bit more liquid to compensate for
> evaporation.
>
>>Oven seems hotter too
>
> How can that be, there must be a calibrated dial or an LED readout...
> get yourself an oven thermometer that lives in the oven to check, they
> cost about $5. If the oven temperature setting doesn't agree with the
> thermometer (within like +/-5º) there is something wrong with that
> stove so you need to contact GE... sometimes oven thermostats are
> faulty or not placed correctly.
>
>>and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>
>>There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
>>why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and
>>I
>>freaking hate those things.
>
> Natural gas can be problematic depending on topography... difficult to
> install and service in hilly areas. But there's propane so there goes
> your excuses. And propane costs a lot less than electric, by about
> half. An electric stove is a big time electric consumer.
>
>>Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>>the
>>veggies in the oven with a little beef broth.
>
> WHY?
> Should have added the veggies to the same pot with the meat.
>
>>Should have cooked the meat a
>>bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
>>touch
>>more tender.
>
> Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.

I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies than
meat.

On 2/19/2020 8:39 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was
>>> told
>>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>> replace
>>> my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>
>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>
>>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>> from
>>> being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>>> overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>
>>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>> burners
>>> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the
>>> food
>>> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer.
>>
>> For a low simmer you you need to use the smallest burner, the same
>> with gas stoves. The level of simmer also depends on the pot size and
>> how much is in it... it's difficult to get a low simmer with smaller
>> pots especialy with little in it.Â* I suggest buying larger pot roasts,
>> at least 3 pounds, and cook your veggies in the pot with the meat and
>> have enough liquid so that it comes halfway up on the meat... add your
>> veggies during the last hour of cooking or they will over cook.Â* You
>> should easily get a slow simmer when using a 6-8 quart pot...
>> sometimes you may need to tilt the lid to allow some heat to escape,
>> you may periodically need to add a bit more liquid to compensate for
>> evaporation.
>>
>>> Oven seems hotter too
>>
>> How can that be, there must be a calibrated dial or an LED readout...
>> get yourself an oven thermometer that lives in the oven to check, they
>> cost about $5.Â* If the oven temperature setting doesn't agree with the
>> thermometer (within like +/-5º) there is something wrong with that
>> stove so you need to contact GE... sometimes oven thermostats are
>> faulty or not placed correctly.
>>
>>> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>
>>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That
>>> could be
>>> why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat
>>> top and I
>>> freaking hate those things.
>>
>> Natural gas can be problematic depending on topography... difficult to
>> install and service in hilly areas.Â* But there's propane so there goes
>> your excuses.Â* And propane costs a lot less than electric, by about
>> half.Â* An electric stove is a big time electric consumer.
>>
>>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and
>>> roasted the
>>> veggies in the oven with a little beef broth.
>>
>> WHY?
>> Should have added the veggies to the same pot with the meat.
>>
>>> Should have cooked the meat a
>>> bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
>>> touch
>>> more tender.
>>
>> Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.
>
> I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies
> than meat.

Pot roast is pot roast. Putting the veggies in it is essentially a stew
with one big lump or meat.

We always made mashed potatoes with it as there is lots of gravy. Other
veggies on the side.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/19/2020 8:39 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I
>>>> needed
>>>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was
>>>> told
>>>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>>> replace
>>>> my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>>
>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>>
>>>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>>> from
>>>> being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>>>> overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>>>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>>
>>>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>>> burners
>>>> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the
>>>> food
>>>> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer.
>>>
>>> For a low simmer you you need to use the smallest burner, the same
>>> with gas stoves. The level of simmer also depends on the pot size and
>>> how much is in it... it's difficult to get a low simmer with smaller
>>> pots especialy with little in it. I suggest buying larger pot roasts,
>>> at least 3 pounds, and cook your veggies in the pot with the meat and
>>> have enough liquid so that it comes halfway up on the meat... add your
>>> veggies during the last hour of cooking or they will over cook. You
>>> should easily get a slow simmer when using a 6-8 quart pot...
>>> sometimes you may need to tilt the lid to allow some heat to escape,
>>> you may periodically need to add a bit more liquid to compensate for
>>> evaporation.
>>>
>>>> Oven seems hotter too
>>>
>>> How can that be, there must be a calibrated dial or an LED readout...
>>> get yourself an oven thermometer that lives in the oven to check, they
>>> cost about $5. If the oven temperature setting doesn't agree with the
>>> thermometer (within like +/-5º) there is something wrong with that
>>> stove so you need to contact GE... sometimes oven thermostats are
>>> faulty or not placed correctly.
>>>
>>>> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>>
>>>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
>>>> be
>>>> why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
>>>> and I
>>>> freaking hate those things.
>>>
>>> Natural gas can be problematic depending on topography... difficult to
>>> install and service in hilly areas. But there's propane so there goes
>>> your excuses. And propane costs a lot less than electric, by about
>>> half. An electric stove is a big time electric consumer.
>>>
>>>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>>>> the
>>>> veggies in the oven with a little beef broth.
>>>
>>> WHY?
>>> Should have added the veggies to the same pot with the meat.
>>>
>>>> Should have cooked the meat a
>>>> bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
>>>> touch
>>>> more tender.
>>>
>>> Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.
>>
>> I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies
>> than meat.
>
> Pot roast is pot roast. Putting the veggies in it is essentially a stew
> with one big lump or meat.
>
> We always made mashed potatoes with it as there is lots of gravy. Other
> veggies on the side.

I don't do gravy. Just the meat juices.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
> > Pot roast is pot roast. Putting the veggies in it is essentially a stew
> > with one big lump or meat.
> >
> > We always made mashed potatoes with it as there is lots of gravy. Other
> > veggies on the side.
>
> I don't do gravy. Just the meat juices.

You're no good cook then. That's exactly why I've never
had a good pot roast. Simmering the meat and vegetables,
all the good flavor is in the water.

Just serving the blah meat and vegetables with a spoonful
or so of the water results in a very tasteless meal.
My mother (and my ex) always made it your way.

So easy to turn those juices into a tasty gravy to save
the meal.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 7:39:17 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >>Should have cooked the meat a
> >>bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
> >>touch
> >>more tender.
> >
> > Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.
>
> I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies than
> meat.
>
Did you ever think about buying a larger pot since you all eat more vegetables
than meat?? You shoulda asked mommy to buy you a larger pot while she was
springing for the new range.

> wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 7:39:17 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >>Should have cooked the meat a
>> >>bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
>> >>touch
>> >>more tender.
>> >
>> > Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.
>>
>> I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies
>> than
>> meat.
>>
> Did you ever think about buying a larger pot since you all eat more
> vegetables
> than meat?? You shoulda asked mommy to buy you a larger pot while she was
> springing for the new range.

I don't need to buy a larger pot and I prefer my veggies to be roasted. So
there!

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 3:15:33 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >> I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies
> >> than
> >> meat.
> >>
> > Did you ever think about buying a larger pot since you all eat more
> > vegetables
> > than meat?? You shoulda asked mommy to buy you a larger pot while she was
> > springing for the new range.
>
> I don't need to buy a larger pot and I prefer my veggies to be roasted. So
> there!
>
Have you taken up residence with Koo-Koo-Kuthe? You said, and I left the
quote in above since you deny things you've clearly written, "I didn't
have a pot big enough for the veggies." And now your back peddling butt
says "I don't need to buy a larger pot and I prefer my veggies to be
roasted. So there!"

Damn, no wonder your husband divorced your butt.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:39:05 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Sheldon" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>>>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>>replace
>>>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>
>>>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>
>>>It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
>>>being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>>>overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>>>warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>
>>>So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>>burners
>>>have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
>>>continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer.
>>
>> For a low simmer you you need to use the smallest burner, the same
>> with gas stoves. The level of simmer also depends on the pot size and
>> how much is in it... it's difficult to get a low simmer with smaller
>> pots especialy with little in it. I suggest buying larger pot roasts,
>> at least 3 pounds, and cook your veggies in the pot with the meat and
>> have enough liquid so that it comes halfway up on the meat... add your
>> veggies during the last hour of cooking or they will over cook. You
>> should easily get a slow simmer when using a 6-8 quart pot...
>> sometimes you may need to tilt the lid to allow some heat to escape,
>> you may periodically need to add a bit more liquid to compensate for
>> evaporation.
>>
>>>Oven seems hotter too
>>
>> How can that be, there must be a calibrated dial or an LED readout...
>> get yourself an oven thermometer that lives in the oven to check, they
>> cost about $5. If the oven temperature setting doesn't agree with the
>> thermometer (within like +/-5º) there is something wrong with that
>> stove so you need to contact GE... sometimes oven thermostats are
>> faulty or not placed correctly.
>>
>>>and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>
>>>There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
>>>why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and
>>>I
>>>freaking hate those things.
>>
>> Natural gas can be problematic depending on topography... difficult to
>> install and service in hilly areas. But there's propane so there goes
>> your excuses. And propane costs a lot less than electric, by about
>> half. An electric stove is a big time electric consumer.
>>
>>>Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>>>the
>>>veggies in the oven with a little beef broth.
>>
>> WHY?
>> Should have added the veggies to the same pot with the meat.
>>
>>>Should have cooked the meat a
>>>bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
>>>touch
>>>more tender.
>>
>> Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.
>
>I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies than
>meat.

Buy a larger pot, IDIOT!

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:39:05 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Sheldon" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>>>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>>>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was
>>>>told
>>>>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>>>replace
>>>>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>>
>>>>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>>
>>>>It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>>>from
>>>>being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>>>>overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>>>>warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>>
>>>>So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>>>burners
>>>>have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the
>>>>food
>>>>continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer.
>>>
>>> For a low simmer you you need to use the smallest burner, the same
>>> with gas stoves. The level of simmer also depends on the pot size and
>>> how much is in it... it's difficult to get a low simmer with smaller
>>> pots especialy with little in it. I suggest buying larger pot roasts,
>>> at least 3 pounds, and cook your veggies in the pot with the meat and
>>> have enough liquid so that it comes halfway up on the meat... add your
>>> veggies during the last hour of cooking or they will over cook. You
>>> should easily get a slow simmer when using a 6-8 quart pot...
>>> sometimes you may need to tilt the lid to allow some heat to escape,
>>> you may periodically need to add a bit more liquid to compensate for
>>> evaporation.
>>>
>>>>Oven seems hotter too
>>>
>>> How can that be, there must be a calibrated dial or an LED readout...
>>> get yourself an oven thermometer that lives in the oven to check, they
>>> cost about $5. If the oven temperature setting doesn't agree with the
>>> thermometer (within like +/-5º) there is something wrong with that
>>> stove so you need to contact GE... sometimes oven thermostats are
>>> faulty or not placed correctly.
>>>
>>>>and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>>
>>>>There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
>>>>be
>>>>why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
>>>>and
>>>>I
>>>>freaking hate those things.
>>>
>>> Natural gas can be problematic depending on topography... difficult to
>>> install and service in hilly areas. But there's propane so there goes
>>> your excuses. And propane costs a lot less than electric, by about
>>> half. An electric stove is a big time electric consumer.
>>>
>>>>Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>>>>the
>>>>veggies in the oven with a little beef broth.
>>>
>>> WHY?
>>> Should have added the veggies to the same pot with the meat.
>>>
>>>>Should have cooked the meat a
>>>>bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
>>>>touch
>>>>more tender.
>>>
>>> Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.
>>
>>I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies
>>than
>>meat.
>
> Buy a larger pot, IDIOT!

I wanted them roasted. I prefer them that way. Dumb ass!

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW

Looks nice, Julie.
You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.

On 2/19/2020 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
> Looks nice, Julie.
> You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.
>
Indeed! Don't want him to carelessly fall onto the glass and break the
oven window and door again.

Her mom bought it for her. I'd have charged the "gardener".

Jill

On 2020-02-19 12:48 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/19/2020 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>
>> Looks nice, Julie.
>> You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.
>>
> Indeed!Â* Don't want him to carelessly fall onto the glass and break the
> oven window and door again.
>
> Her mom bought it for her.Â* I'd have charged the "gardener".
>

If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not tolerate
someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:43:42 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-02-19 12:48 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/19/2020 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>
>>> Looks nice, Julie.
>>> You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.
>>>
>> Indeed!Â* Don't want him to carelessly fall onto the glass and break the
>> oven window and door again.
>>
>> Her mom bought it for her.Â* I'd have charged the "gardener".
>>
>
>If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not tolerate
>someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.

You tell 'em, Dave!

Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:43:42 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2020-02-19 12:48 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 2/19/2020 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
>>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>>
>>>> Looks nice, Julie.
>>>> You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.
>>>>
>>> Indeed!Â* Don't want him to carelessly fall onto the glass and break the
>>> oven window and door again.
>>>
>>> Her mom bought it for her.Â* I'd have charged the "gardener".
>>>
>>
>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not tolerate
>> someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>
> You tell 'em, Dave!
>

Fruce, yoose spending too much time here ... Kuth's anus is getting
mighty dry.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-02-19 12:48 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/19/2020 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>
>>> Looks nice, Julie.
>>> You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.
>>>
>> Indeed!Â* Don't want him to carelessly fall onto the glass and
>> break the oven window and door again.
>>
>> Her mom bought it for her.Â* I'd have charged the "gardener".
>>
>
> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven
> I would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
> tolerate someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>
>

Dave, the gardener was a hell of a lot more than a short term guest.

IIRC, he originally lived in the backyard shed until he eventually
gained indoor status.

He dutifully pruned her begonias until he accidentally destroyed
the oven.

Mom has now fixed that, so on to the next episode.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2020-02-19 12:48 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/19/2020 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>
>>> Looks nice, Julie.
>>> You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.
>>>
>> Indeed! Don't want him to carelessly fall onto the glass and break the
>> oven window and door again.
>>
>> Her mom bought it for her. I'd have charged the "gardener".
>>
>
> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I would
> expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not tolerate someone
> staying in my house and doing damage like that.

The stove was shot. One burner broken. The broken door was a side bar issue.

On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>

>>
>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
>> tolerate someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>
> The stove was shot. One burner broken.


A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as a
light bulb.




>The broken door was a side bar
> issue.


A side bar issue? Really. I guess that explains why you were so ****ed
off about it that you had to come here to whine about it. I guess the
little side bar issue didn't have enough drama for you,

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
> Looks nice, Julie.
> You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.

He is being very careful with it.

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>
>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
snip

congratulations Julie. It's nice to have new stuff
Janet US

"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>
>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
snip

congratulations Julie. It's nice to have new stuff
Janet US

===

It certainly is))) Congratulants from me too, Julie)

ATM we are having a new kitchen and bathroom fitted. I have been
wanting this since we moved))

I am really excited so I know just how Julie feels)

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>replace
>>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>
>>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>
> snip
>
> congratulations Julie. It's nice to have new stuff
> Janet US
>
> ===
>
> It certainly is))) Congratulants from me too, Julie)
>
> ATM we are having a new kitchen and bathroom fitted. I have been
> wanting this since we moved))
>
> I am really excited so I know just how Julie feels)

Very nice!

"U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>replace
>>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>
>>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>
> snip
>
> congratulations Julie. It's nice to have new stuff
> Janet US

Thanks! Need to get baking.

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 7:11:25 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
> my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>
> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
> being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
> overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>
> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>
> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
> why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and I
> freaking hate those things.
>
> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted the
> veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the meat a
> bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a touch
> more tender.

The stove we had 50 years ago had burners that would glow red hot. I loved that stove. It made me feel like I could do anything. I wish I could get one like that again.

OTOH, I probably couldn't handle the heat radiating off the coils on to my face and chest like I used to. My induction stove doesn't put out any heat from the side of the burners. It might be kind of a shock to people using electric or gas stoves.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:12:53 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 7:11:25 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
>> my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>
>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>
>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
>> being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>> overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>
>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
>> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
>> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
>> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>
>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
>> why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and I
>> freaking hate those things.
>>
>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted the
>> veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the meat a
>> bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a touch
>> more tender.
>
>The stove we had 50 years ago had burners that would glow red hot. I loved that stove.
>It made me feel like I could do anything.

The only thing that got your princess ukekeke dick hard.
The only real stoves have real flames. Real cooks have been cooking
with real flames since prehistoric times... nothing else has cooked
better since... and never will. I bet you think microwaved burgers
are the cat's meow. LOL

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:06:10 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:12:53 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 7:11:25 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
> >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
> >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
> >> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
> >> my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
> >>
> >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
> >>
> >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
> >> being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
> >> overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
> >> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
> >>
> >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
> >> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
> >> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
> >> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
> >>
> >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
> >> why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and I
> >> freaking hate those things.
> >>
> >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted the
> >> veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the meat a
> >> bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a touch
> >> more tender.
> >
> >The stove we had 50 years ago had burners that would glow red hot. I loved that stove.
> >It made me feel like I could do anything.
>
> The only thing that got your princess ukekeke dick hard.
> The only real stoves have real flames. Real cooks have been cooking
> with real flames since prehistoric times... nothing else has cooked
> better since... and never will. I bet you think microwaved burgers
> are the cat's meow. LOL

If yoose is saying yoose is a brain-damaged neanderthal, I won't disagree. Ugg!

Julie Bove wrote:

> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I
> needed electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to
> match my other appliances. Although it appeared to be available
> online, I was told they could not order it and I should go with white
> and when needed, replace my other appliances in white as well. This
> is the one I got:
>
> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3
> year warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>
> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest
> setting, the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven
> seems hotter too and different proportions. Wider but not as high
> from top to bottom.

You probably need something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/HIC-Harold-Co.../dp/B000HM9ZSY

Thats a simple one and I have 2 of them that reside on my gas stove top
all the time for various uses. Not expensive and works well.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I
>> needed electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to
>> match my other appliances. Although it appeared to be available
>> online, I was told they could not order it and I should go with white
>> and when needed, replace my other appliances in white as well. This
>> is the one I got:
>>
>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>
>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3
>> year warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>
>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest
>> setting, the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven
>> seems hotter too and different proportions. Wider but not as high
>> from top to bottom.
>
> You probably need something like this:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/HIC-Harold-Co.../dp/B000HM9ZSY
>
> Thats a simple one and I have 2 of them that reside on my gas stove top
> all the time for various uses. Not expensive and works well.

Not sure it would work with these burners.