My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:

https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW

It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.

So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.

There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and I
freaking hate those things.

Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted the
veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the meat a
bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a touch
more tender.

On 2020 Feb 18, , Julie Bove wrote
(in article >):

> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.

In however many years it takes to get comfortable with your new range,
itll break down and you will have to start all over again. Im limping
along with a 1987 electric JennAir whose electric light burned out twenty
years ago, and Im getting afraid to use the self-clean feature. Im
hoping, and its possible, that It will outlast me.
Barring catastrophe, Im on my last roof, forced air furnace and main
sewer line. You shouldnt even be thinking about this stuff. Sorry I
brought it up.

leo

"Leo" > wrote in message
vidual.Net...
> On 2020 Feb 18, , Julie Bove wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>> burners
>> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the
>> food
>> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
>> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>
> In however many years it takes to get comfortable with your new range,
> itll break down and you will have to start all over again. Im limping
> along with a 1987 electric JennAir whose electric light burned out twenty
> years ago, and Im getting afraid to use the self-clean feature. Im
> hoping, and its possible, that It will outlast me.
> Barring catastrophe, Im on my last roof, forced air furnace and main
> sewer line. You shouldnt even be thinking about this stuff. Sorry I
> brought it up.

Well, I think I have my last roof!

On 2/19/2020 2:08 AM, Leo wrote:
> On 2020 Feb 18, , Julie Bove wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
>> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
>> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
>> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>
> In however many years it takes to get comfortable with your new range,
> itll break down and you will have to start all over again. Im limping
> along with a 1987 electric JennAir whose electric light burned out twenty
> years ago, and Im getting afraid to use the self-clean feature. Im
> hoping, and its possible, that It will outlast me.
> Barring catastrophe, Im on my last roof, forced air furnace and main
> sewer line. You shouldnt even be thinking about this stuff. Sorry I
> brought it up.
>
> leo
>
>
That was my thoughts when we bought a brand new house. Everything in it
should outlast me.

In article >, says...
>
> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
> my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>
> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
> being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
> overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>
> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>
> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
> why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and I
> freaking hate those things.
>
> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted the
> veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the meat a
> bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a touch
> more tender.

Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.

Janet UK

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:

> Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.

It does seem quaint. While renovating my kitchen I used an induction hob.
Then in the new kitchen I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.

The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
the oil splashes out.

With induction you put the meat in when cold, and instantly the pan gets up
to the desired temperature. And even higher than what a gas can do, as I
have to put the meat in before the oil starts smoking.

I have now switched all my pans to induction ready. Next is to sell off the
pro range. Not easy. Then run the needed 40 amp circuit and go induction.

Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 4:07:46 PM UTC-6, Don Wiss wrote:
>
> I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>
What is a 'pro style range'?
>
> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
> the oil splashes out.
>
Too much oil and poor cooking skill if you're splashing it out of the pan.
Looking at oil in a pan and it shimmers will tell you it's hot enough to
add meat without a temperature gun gizmo.
>
> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>
They will become 'popular' when the price drops.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:15:03 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 4:07:46 PM UTC-6, Don Wiss wrote:
>>
>> I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
>> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>>
>What is a 'pro style range'?
>>
>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
>> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
>> the oil splashes out.
>>
>Too much oil and poor cooking skill if you're splashing it out of the pan.
>Looking at oil in a pan and it shimmers will tell you it's hot enough to
>add meat without a temperature gun gizmo.
>>
>> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
>> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>>
>They will become 'popular' when the price drops.

Induction will NEVER become popular except for those who can't cook...
they said the same about microwave cookery.
Real cooking requires real fire (Period).

Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:15:03 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 4:07:46 PM UTC-6, Don Wiss wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
>>> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>>>
>> What is a 'pro style range'?
>>>
>>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>>> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
>>> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
>>> the oil splashes out.
>>>
>> Too much oil and poor cooking skill if you're splashing it out of the pan.
>> Looking at oil in a pan and it shimmers will tell you it's hot enough to
>> add meat without a temperature gun gizmo.
>>>
>>> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
>>> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>>>
>> They will become 'popular' when the price drops.
>
> Induction will NEVER become popular except for those who can't cook...
> they said the same about microwave cookery.
> Real cooking requires real fire (Period).
>

Yoose right Popeye!

I remember back in the 50's when the porty rickans was trying to
cook donkey dicks, and the govmt had to fly in a bunch of mayans to
teach them idiots how to safely eat dicks.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:10:49 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:15:03 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 4:07:46 PM UTC-6, Don Wiss wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
> >> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
> >>
> >What is a 'pro style range'?
> >>
> >> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
> >> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
> >> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
> >> the oil splashes out.
> >>
> >Too much oil and poor cooking skill if you're splashing it out of the pan.
> >Looking at oil in a pan and it shimmers will tell you it's hot enough to
> >add meat without a temperature gun gizmo.
> >>
> >> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
> >> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
> >>
> >They will become 'popular' when the price drops.
>
> Induction will NEVER become popular except for those who can't cook...
> they said the same about microwave cookery.
> Real cooking requires real fire (Period).

Let's face it, yoose needs to see the fire for your brain to understand that yoose is cooking. Induction is so mysterious to yoose that it must be magic/witchcraft/voodoo. That sooooo scary, ain't it? OTOH, you're right induction is magic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZilP4yfk-zI

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:15:03 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 4:07:46 PM UTC-6, Don Wiss wrote:
>>
>> I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
>> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>>
>What is a 'pro style range'?
>>
>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
>> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
>> the oil splashes out.
>>
>Too much oil and poor cooking skill if you're splashing it out of the pan.
>Looking at oil in a pan and it shimmers will tell you it's hot enough to
>add meat without a temperature gun gizmo.
>>
>> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
>> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>>
>They will become 'popular' when the price drops.

I have a single-burner portable induction hob. Bought it about 8 years
ago for ~$100. I absolutely love it, and use it daily.

When the time comes to replace my kitchen stove, it will be full-on
induction. We are planning to get a little trailer this spring, and
the single-burner will go in there.

Doris
>

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Doris Night > wrote:

>I have a single-burner portable induction hob. Bought it about 8 years
>ago for ~$100. I absolutely love it, and use it daily.

They're cheaper now. This is the one I used in my temporary kitchen:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0045QEPYM

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
> > Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.
>
> It does seem quaint. While renovating my kitchen I used an induction hob.
> Then in the new kitchen I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>
> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
> the oil splashes out.
>
> With induction you put the meat in when cold, and instantly the pan gets up
> to the desired temperature. And even higher than what a gas can do, as I
> have to put the meat in before the oil starts smoking.
>
> I have now switched all my pans to induction ready. Next is to sell off the
> pro range. Not easy. Then run the needed 40 amp circuit and go induction.
>
> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>
> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

I've been waiting for induction ranges to get popular for the last decade. Americans are into non-stick aluminum pans. That won't work with induction ranges. I like non-stick pans too but they don't make very many non-stick induction ready pans. I recently bought a second carbon steel pan. It was at Macy's marked down to 20 bucks. It was an offer I couldn't refuse.

It looks like I found the perfect pan for me. It's a non-stick, carbon steel, induction compatible pan that I can freely use metal utensils on and there's no restriction on heat. What could be more perfect? These pans are popular in Europe - you would think that they would sell like hotcakes in the states but that hasn't panned out yet. Americans are stubborn in their ways..

On 2020-02-19 3:52 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Don Wiss wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.
>>
>> It does seem quaint. While renovating my kitchen I used an induction hob.
>> Then in the new kitchen I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
>> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>>
>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
>> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
>> the oil splashes out.
>>
>> With induction you put the meat in when cold, and instantly the pan gets up
>> to the desired temperature. And even higher than what a gas can do, as I
>> have to put the meat in before the oil starts smoking.
>>
>> I have now switched all my pans to induction ready. Next is to sell off the
>> pro range. Not easy. Then run the needed 40 amp circuit and go induction.
>>
>> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
>> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>>
>> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).
>
> I've been waiting for induction ranges to get popular for the last decade. Americans are into non-stick aluminum pans. That won't work with induction ranges. I like non-stick pans too but they don't make very many non-stick induction ready pans. I recently bought a second carbon steel pan. It was at Macy's marked down to 20 bucks. It was an offer I couldn't refuse.
>
> It looks like I found the perfect pan for me. It's a non-stick, carbon steel, induction compatible pan that I can freely use metal utensils on and there's no restriction on heat. What could be more perfect? These pans are popular in Europe - you would think that they would sell like hotcakes in the states but that hasn't panned out yet. Americans are stubborn in their ways.
>
However, not all stainless steel pans will work with induction. Newer
ones are marked as suitable but others will only work if a magnet will
stick to them.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:00:57 PM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> On 2020-02-19 3:52 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Don Wiss wrote:
> >> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.
> >>
> >> It does seem quaint. While renovating my kitchen I used an induction hob.
> >> Then in the new kitchen I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
> >> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
> >>
> >> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
> >> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
> >> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
> >> the oil splashes out.
> >>
> >> With induction you put the meat in when cold, and instantly the pan gets up
> >> to the desired temperature. And even higher than what a gas can do, as I
> >> have to put the meat in before the oil starts smoking.
> >>
> >> I have now switched all my pans to induction ready. Next is to sell off the
> >> pro range. Not easy. Then run the needed 40 amp circuit and go induction.
> >>
> >> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
> >> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
> >>
> >> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).
> >
> > I've been waiting for induction ranges to get popular for the last decade. Americans are into non-stick aluminum pans. That won't work with induction ranges. I like non-stick pans too but they don't make very many non-stick induction ready pans. I recently bought a second carbon steel pan. It was at Macy's marked down to 20 bucks. It was an offer I couldn't refuse.
> >
> > It looks like I found the perfect pan for me. It's a non-stick, carbon steel, induction compatible pan that I can freely use metal utensils on and there's no restriction on heat. What could be more perfect? These pans are popular in Europe - you would think that they would sell like hotcakes in the states but that hasn't panned out yet. Americans are stubborn in their ways.
> >
> However, not all stainless steel pans will work with induction. Newer
> ones are marked as suitable but others will only work if a magnet will
> stick to them.

I have had that experience of putting a stainless steel pan on the stove and getting nowhere. We should be having ranges that work with all metals. I mean, is this not the year 2020?

https://shop.panasonic.com/support-only/KY-MK3500.html

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:52:13 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Don Wiss wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> > Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.
>>
>> It does seem quaint. While renovating my kitchen I used an induction hob.
>> Then in the new kitchen I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
>> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>>
>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
>> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
>> the oil splashes out.
>>
>> With induction you put the meat in when cold, and instantly the pan gets up
>> to the desired temperature. And even higher than what a gas can do, as I
>> have to put the meat in before the oil starts smoking.
>>
>> I have now switched all my pans to induction ready. Next is to sell off the
>> pro range. Not easy. Then run the needed 40 amp circuit and go induction.
>>
>> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
>> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>>
>> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).
>
>I've been waiting for induction ranges to get popular for the last decade. Americans are into non-stick aluminum pans. That won't work with induction ranges. I like non-stick pans too but they don't make very many non-stick induction ready pans. I recently bought a second carbon steel pan. It was at Macy's marked down to 20 bucks. It was an offer I couldn't refuse.
>
>It looks like I found the perfect pan for me. It's a non-stick, carbon steel, induction compatible pan that I can freely use metal utensils on and there's no restriction on heat. What could be more perfect? These pans are popular in Europe - you would think that they would sell like hotcakes in the states but that hasn't panned out yet. Americans are stubborn in their ways.

I've seen that slovenly shit you call cooking... you can't cook a
lick... everything stewed to death. Ptoi poi.

Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:52:13 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Don Wiss wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.
>>>
>>> It does seem quaint. While renovating my kitchen I used an induction hob.
>>> Then in the new kitchen I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
>>> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>>>
>>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>>> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
>>> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
>>> the oil splashes out.
>>>
>>> With induction you put the meat in when cold, and instantly the pan gets up
>>> to the desired temperature. And even higher than what a gas can do, as I
>>> have to put the meat in before the oil starts smoking.
>>>
>>> I have now switched all my pans to induction ready. Next is to sell off the
>>> pro range. Not easy. Then run the needed 40 amp circuit and go induction.
>>>
>>> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
>>> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>>>
>>> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).
>>
>> I've been waiting for induction ranges to get popular for the last decade. Americans are into non-stick aluminum pans. That won't work with induction ranges. I like non-stick pans too but they don't make very many non-stick induction ready pans. I recently bought a second carbon steel pan. It was at Macy's marked down to 20 bucks. It was an offer I couldn't refuse.
>>
>> It looks like I found the perfect pan for me. It's a non-stick, carbon steel, induction compatible pan that I can freely use metal utensils on and there's no restriction on heat. What could be more perfect? These pans are popular in Europe - you would think that they would sell like hotcakes in the states but that hasn't panned out yet. Americans are stubborn in their ways.
>
> I've seen that slovenly shit you call cooking... you can't cook a
> lick... everything stewed to death. Ptoi poi.
>

Shit Popeye, everyone knows yoose the ONLY person that cooks!

And, we all knows that yoose ****ed every wimmen in new yawk,
including yoose aunt and yoose mother. Yoose ****ed 'em all Popeye.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, dsi1 > wrote:

>I've been waiting for induction ranges to get popular for the last decade. Americans are into non-stick aluminum pans. That won't work with induction ranges. I like non-stick pans too but they don't make very many non-stick induction ready pans. I recently bought a second carbon steel pan. It was at Macy's marked down to 20 bucks. It was an offer I couldn't refuse.

They exist. I was using a couple when I was using the induction hob. I no
longer use non-stcik pans.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

On 2/19/2020 2:07 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
>>
>
> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
> All-Clad fry pan.


easy to make induction sound great when you are comparing it to some
lousy stove such as that.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Taxed and Spent > wrote:

>On 2/19/2020 2:07 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>> All-Clad fry pan.
>
>easy to make induction sound great when you are comparing it to some
>lousy stove such as that.

The stove I bought is the top rated pro-style range in Consumer Reports.
All gas stoves take longer to boil water than a regular electric stove.

To the one that asked what a pro-style range is, this is the one I now
have: https://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/aj...GP304NRSS.html

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

Don Wiss wrote:
> The stove I bought is the top rated pro-style range in Consumer Reports.
> All gas stoves take longer to boil water than a regular electric stove.

My gas stove boils water quick enough for me. In a hurry much?

On 2/19/2020 6:23 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Taxed and Spent > wrote:
>
>> On 2/19/2020 2:07 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>>> All-Clad fry pan.
>>
>> easy to make induction sound great when you are comparing it to some
>> lousy stove such as that.
>
> The stove I bought is the top rated pro-style range in Consumer Reports.
> All gas stoves take longer to boil water than a regular electric stove.
>
> To the one that asked what a pro-style range is, this is the one I now
> have: https://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/aj...GP304NRSS.html
>
> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).
>

Three minutes to heat up a fry pan?

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:07:40 -0500, Don Wiss >
wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
>> Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.
>
>It does seem quaint. While renovating my kitchen I used an induction hob.
>Then in the new kitchen I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
>with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>
>The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
>it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
>the oil splashes out.
>
>With induction you put the meat in when cold, and instantly the pan gets up
>to the desired temperature. And even higher than what a gas can do, as I
>have to put the meat in before the oil starts smoking.
>
>I have now switched all my pans to induction ready. Next is to sell off the
>pro range. Not easy. Then run the needed 40 amp circuit and go induction.
>
>Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
>Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>
>Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

make sure that the meat is dry before you put it in hot grease.
Janet US

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>> replace
>> my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>
>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>
>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>> from
>> being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>> overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>
>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>> burners
>> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the
>> food
>> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
>> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>
>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
>> be
>> why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
>> and I
>> freaking hate those things.
>>
>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>> the
>> veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the meat
>> a
>> bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
>> touch
>> more tender.
>
> Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.

Electric is standard here.

On 2/19/2020 5:33 PM, Joooooolie Bovine wrote:

> Electric is standard here.

I used to live in Seattle. My last two houses had gas stove and gas
heating.

You're still an idiot.

On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was
> told they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>
> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>
> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest
> setting, the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems
> hotter too and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to
> bottom.
>
> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat
> top and I freaking hate those things.
>
> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the
> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could
> be a touch more tender.

The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops.
I'm glad we have gas here though.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
news
> On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>
>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>
>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>
>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting,
>> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too
>> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>
>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
>> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
>> and I freaking hate those things.
>>
>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the
>> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could
>> be a touch more tender.
>
> The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
> glad we have gas here though.

They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> news
> > On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
> >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
> >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
> >> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
> >> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
> >>
> >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
> >>
> >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
> >> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
> >> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
> >> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
> >>
> >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
> >> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting,
> >> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too
> >> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
> >>
> >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
> >> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
> >> and I freaking hate those things.
> >>
> >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
> >> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the
> >> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could
> >> be a touch more tender.
> >
> > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
> > glad we have gas here though.
>
> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.

That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?

On 2/19/2020 8:46 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>>>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>>> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>>
>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>>
>>>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>>> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>>>> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>>>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>>
>>>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>>> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting,
>>>> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too
>>>> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>>
>>>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
>>>> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
>>>> and I freaking hate those things.
>>>>
>>>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>>>> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the
>>>> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could
>>>> be a touch more tender.
>>>
>>> The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
>>> glad we have gas here though.
>>
>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>

So far, they have not demanded conversion. New construction cannot have
natural gas.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/19/2020 8:46 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I
>>>>> needed
>>>>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match
>>>>> my
>>>>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was
>>>>> told
>>>>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>>>> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>>>
>>>>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>>>> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>>>>> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3
>>>>> year
>>>>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>>>> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest
>>>>> setting,
>>>>> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter
>>>>> too
>>>>> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That
>>>>> could
>>>>> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat
>>>>> top
>>>>> and I freaking hate those things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and
>>>>> roasted
>>>>> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked
>>>>> the
>>>>> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but
>>>>> could
>>>>> be a touch more tender.
>>>>
>>>> The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops.
>>>> I'm
>>>> glad we have gas here though.
>>>
>>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>
>> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The
>> US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they
>> trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>>
>
> So far, they have not demanded conversion. New construction cannot have
> natural gas.

Yes but there is talk of them outlawing it all together here. The hardest
hit will be seniors who likely own older homes. They will be expected to
convert to electric.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 22:07:37 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/19/2020 8:46 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>>>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>>>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>>>>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>>>> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>>>
>>>>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>>>> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>>>>> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>>>>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>>>> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting,
>>>>> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too
>>>>> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
>>>>> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
>>>>> and I freaking hate those things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>>>>> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the
>>>>> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could
>>>>> be a touch more tender.
>>>>
>>>> The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
>>>> glad we have gas here though.
>>>
>>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>
>> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>
>So far, they have not demanded conversion. New construction cannot have
>natural gas.

Didn't you hear that it's now illegal to fart in WA state.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I
>> >> needed
>> >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match
>> >> my
>> >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was
>> >> told
>> >> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>> >> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>> >>
>> >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>> >>
>> >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>> >> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>> >> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3
>> >> year
>> >> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>> >>
>> >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>> >> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest
>> >> setting,
>> >> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter
>> >> too
>> >> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>> >>
>> >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That
>> >> could
>> >> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat
>> >> top
>> >> and I freaking hate those things.
>> >>
>> >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and
>> >> roasted
>> >> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked
>> >> the
>> >> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but
>> >> could
>> >> be a touch more tender.
>> >
>> > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops.
>> > I'm
>> > glad we have gas here though.
>>
>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The US
> has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they trying
> to get rid of propane gas usage too?

Yep. Trying to get rid of all fossil fuels.Now here's what's funny. When
there was a big to do about Trump going to put coal miners back to work, I
researched coal. The biggest use of coal in this country is to power plants
that generate electricity. Hehehe. Idiots!

On 2/20/2020 4:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> news >>> > On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I
>>> >> needed
>>> >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to
>>> match >> my
>>> >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I
>>> was >> told
>>> >> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>> >> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>> >>
>>> >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>> >>
>>> >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>> >> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>>> >> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a
>>> 3 >> year
>>> >> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>> >>
>>> >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>> >> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest
>>> >> setting,
>>> >> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems
>>> hotter >> too
>>> >> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>> >>
>>> >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That
>>> >> could
>>> >> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the
>>> flat >> top
>>> >> and I freaking hate those things.
>>> >>
>>> >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and >>
>>> roasted
>>> >> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have
>>> cooked >> the
>>> >> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but
>>> >> could
>>> >> be a touch more tender.
>>> >
>>> > The button idea is a good one.Â* I agree, I don't like the flat
>>> tops. > I'm
>>> > glad we have gas hereÂ* though.
>>>
>>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>
>> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting.
>> The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are
>> they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>
> Yep. Trying to get rid of all fossil fuels.Now here's what's funny. When
> there was a big to do about Trump going to put coal miners back to work,
> I researched coal. The biggest use of coal in this country is to power
> plants that generate electricity. Hehehe. Idiots!

Japan is building 20 new power plants that will be coal fired.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 8:46:43 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> > news
> > > On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
> > >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
> > >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
> > >> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
> > >> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
> > >>
> > >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
> > >>
> > >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
> > >> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
> > >> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
> > >> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
> > >>
> > >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
> > >> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting,
> > >> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too
> > >> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
> > >>
> > >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
> > >> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
> > >> and I freaking hate those things.
> > >>
> > >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
> > >> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the
> > >> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could
> > >> be a touch more tender.
> > >
> > > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
> > > glad we have gas here though.
> >
> > They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?

It's about climate change. Julie's electricity is likely hydro.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 03:05:58 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 8:46:43 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> > news >> > > On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>> > >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>> > >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>> > >> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>> > >> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>> > >>
>> > >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>> > >>
>> > >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>> > >> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>> > >> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>> > >> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>> > >>
>> > >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>> > >> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting,
>> > >> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too
>> > >> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>> > >>
>> > >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
>> > >> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
>> > >> and I freaking hate those things.
>> > >>
>> > >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>> > >> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the
>> > >> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could
>> > >> be a touch more tender.
>> > >
>> > > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
>> > > glad we have gas here though.
>> >
>> > They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>
>> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>
>It's about climate change. Julie's electricity is likely hydro.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Possibly during spring when water is freely flowing, not during winter
and summer months. There are areas in NYS that rely on hydro but only
during spring... during winter water freezes, during summer water only
flows during neavy rain. The creek in front of my house used to power
mills that produced wooden spools, clothespins, buttons. etc. They
became very inefficient as population grew, those mills closed over a
hundred years ago. The point is that hydro is very unreliable.
There's a road near here named Red Mill Road, a hundred years ago
there were many water mills along that road, now they are just
rotting. It would cost a lot more to maintain those mills than any
electric power they'd produce. Some of those old buildings were
converted to storage for farm equipment and hay bales.

dsi1 wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove
> wrote:
> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> > news
> > > On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as
> > I needed >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get
> > bisque to match my >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be
> > available online, I was told >> they could not order it and I
> > should go with white and when needed, >> replace my other
> > appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
> > > >
> > >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
> > > >
> > >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the
> > burners >> from being turned on with no pan there. They also
> > prevent the burners >> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that
> > price but after adding a 3 year >> warranty, delivery and a cord,
> > it added to about that much.
> > > >
> > >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one.
> > The >> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the
> > lowest setting, >> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low
> > simmer. Oven seems hotter too >> and different proportions. Wider
> > but not as high from top to bottom.
> > > >
> > >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here.
> > That could >> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly
> > they had the flat top >> and I freaking hate those things.
> > > >
> > >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and
> > roasted >> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should
> > have cooked the >> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate
> > it as is. Good but could >> be a touch more tender.
> > >
> > > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat
> > > tops. I'm glad we have gas here though.
> >
> > They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use
> > it.
>
> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting.
> The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are
> they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?

Land of Julie. Most places are pushing Gas as a cheap resource, less
harmful to the environment than the sources used to generate
electricity. Less expensive too.

On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 12:25:22 AM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:

> Land of Julie. Most places are pushing Gas as a cheap resource, less
> harmful to the environment than the sources used to generate
> electricity. Less expensive too.

The "Land of Julie" uses quite a bit of hydro power, so electricity is
generated without burning fossil fuels.

The costs, both monetary and to the environment, of those dams are sunk.

Cindy Hamilton

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove
>> wrote:
>> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> > news >> > > On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as
>> > I needed >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get
>> > bisque to match my >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be
>> > available online, I was told >> they could not order it and I
>> > should go with white and when needed, >> replace my other
>> > appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>> > > >
>> > >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>> > > >
>> > >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the
>> > burners >> from being turned on with no pan there. They also
>> > prevent the burners >> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that
>> > price but after adding a 3 year >> warranty, delivery and a cord,
>> > it added to about that much.
>> > > >
>> > >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one.
>> > The >> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the
>> > lowest setting, >> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low
>> > simmer. Oven seems hotter too >> and different proportions. Wider
>> > but not as high from top to bottom.
>> > > >
>> > >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here.
>> > That could >> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly
>> > they had the flat top >> and I freaking hate those things.
>> > > >
>> > >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and
>> > roasted >> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should
>> > have cooked the >> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate
>> > it as is. Good but could >> be a touch more tender.
>> > >
>> > > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat
>> > > tops. I'm glad we have gas here though.
>> >
>> > They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use
>> > it.
>>
>> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting.
>> The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are
>> they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>
> Land of Julie. Most places are pushing Gas as a cheap resource, less
> harmful to the environment than the sources used to generate
> electricity. Less expensive too.

Most places? I don't think so!

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 23:25:14 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>dsi1 wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove
>> wrote:
>> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> > news >> > > On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as
>> > I needed >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get
>> > bisque to match my >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be
>> > available online, I was told >> they could not order it and I
>> > should go with white and when needed, >> replace my other
>> > appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>> > > >
>> > >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>> > > >
>> > >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the
>> > burners >> from being turned on with no pan there. They also
>> > prevent the burners >> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that
>> > price but after adding a 3 year >> warranty, delivery and a cord,
>> > it added to about that much.
>> > > >
>> > >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one.
>> > The >> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the
>> > lowest setting, >> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low
>> > simmer. Oven seems hotter too >> and different proportions. Wider
>> > but not as high from top to bottom.
>> > > >
>> > >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here.
>> > That could >> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly
>> > they had the flat top >> and I freaking hate those things.
>> > > >
>> > >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and
>> > roasted >> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should
>> > have cooked the >> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate
>> > it as is. Good but could >> be a touch more tender.
>> > >
>> > > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat
>> > > tops. I'm glad we have gas here though.
>> >
>> > They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use
>> > it.
>>
>> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting.
>> The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are
>> they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>
>Land of Julie. Most places are pushing Gas as a cheap resource, less
>harmful to the environment than the sources used to generate
>electricity. Less expensive too.

To date Julie has not shown any newspaper article supporting her
claim, so I really don't believe her.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 7:38:26 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> news
> >
> > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
> > glad we have gas here though.
>
> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
Dunce. They're not trying to 'outlaw gas' they are just giving big incentives
to builders who build all electric homes.

Good grief.