On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Taxed and Spent > wrote:

>On 2/19/2020 2:07 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>> All-Clad fry pan.
>
>easy to make induction sound great when you are comparing it to some
>lousy stove such as that.

The stove I bought is the top rated pro-style range in Consumer Reports.
All gas stoves take longer to boil water than a regular electric stove.

To the one that asked what a pro-style range is, this is the one I now
have: https://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/aj...GP304NRSS.html

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

On 2/19/2020 8:46 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>>>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>>> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>>
>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>>
>>>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>>> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>>>> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>>>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>>
>>>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>>> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting,
>>>> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too
>>>> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>>
>>>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
>>>> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
>>>> and I freaking hate those things.
>>>>
>>>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>>>> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the
>>>> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could
>>>> be a touch more tender.
>>>
>>> The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
>>> glad we have gas here though.
>>
>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>

So far, they have not demanded conversion. New construction cannot have
natural gas.

On 2/19/2020 8:39 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was
>>> told
>>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>> replace
>>> my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>
>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>
>>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>> from
>>> being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>>> overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>
>>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>> burners
>>> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the
>>> food
>>> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer.
>>
>> For a low simmer you you need to use the smallest burner, the same
>> with gas stoves. The level of simmer also depends on the pot size and
>> how much is in it... it's difficult to get a low simmer with smaller
>> pots especialy with little in it.Â* I suggest buying larger pot roasts,
>> at least 3 pounds, and cook your veggies in the pot with the meat and
>> have enough liquid so that it comes halfway up on the meat... add your
>> veggies during the last hour of cooking or they will over cook.Â* You
>> should easily get a slow simmer when using a 6-8 quart pot...
>> sometimes you may need to tilt the lid to allow some heat to escape,
>> you may periodically need to add a bit more liquid to compensate for
>> evaporation.
>>
>>> Oven seems hotter too
>>
>> How can that be, there must be a calibrated dial or an LED readout...
>> get yourself an oven thermometer that lives in the oven to check, they
>> cost about $5.Â* If the oven temperature setting doesn't agree with the
>> thermometer (within like +/-5º) there is something wrong with that
>> stove so you need to contact GE... sometimes oven thermostats are
>> faulty or not placed correctly.
>>
>>> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>
>>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That
>>> could be
>>> why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat
>>> top and I
>>> freaking hate those things.
>>
>> Natural gas can be problematic depending on topography... difficult to
>> install and service in hilly areas.Â* But there's propane so there goes
>> your excuses.Â* And propane costs a lot less than electric, by about
>> half.Â* An electric stove is a big time electric consumer.
>>
>>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and
>>> roasted the
>>> veggies in the oven with a little beef broth.
>>
>> WHY?
>> Should have added the veggies to the same pot with the meat.
>>
>>> Should have cooked the meat a
>>> bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
>>> touch
>>> more tender.
>>
>> Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.
>
> I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies
> than meat.

Pot roast is pot roast. Putting the veggies in it is essentially a stew
with one big lump or meat.

We always made mashed potatoes with it as there is lots of gravy. Other
veggies on the side.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 7:38:26 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> news
> >
> > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
> > glad we have gas here though.
>
> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
Dunce. They're not trying to 'outlaw gas' they are just giving big incentives
to builders who build all electric homes.

Good grief.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 7:39:17 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >>Should have cooked the meat a
> >>bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
> >>touch
> >>more tender.
> >
> > Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.
>
> I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies than
> meat.
>
Did you ever think about buying a larger pot since you all eat more vegetables
than meat?? You shoulda asked mommy to buy you a larger pot while she was
springing for the new range.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:15:03 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 4:07:46 PM UTC-6, Don Wiss wrote:
>>
>> I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
>> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>>
>What is a 'pro style range'?
>>
>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
>> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
>> the oil splashes out.
>>
>Too much oil and poor cooking skill if you're splashing it out of the pan.
>Looking at oil in a pan and it shimmers will tell you it's hot enough to
>add meat without a temperature gun gizmo.
>>
>> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
>> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>>
>They will become 'popular' when the price drops.

I have a single-burner portable induction hob. Bought it about 8 years
ago for ~$100. I absolutely love it, and use it daily.

When the time comes to replace my kitchen stove, it will be full-on
induction. We are planning to get a little trailer this spring, and
the single-burner will go in there.

Doris
>

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I
>> >> needed
>> >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match
>> >> my
>> >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was
>> >> told
>> >> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>> >> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>> >>
>> >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>> >>
>> >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>> >> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>> >> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3
>> >> year
>> >> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>> >>
>> >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>> >> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest
>> >> setting,
>> >> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter
>> >> too
>> >> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>> >>
>> >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That
>> >> could
>> >> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat
>> >> top
>> >> and I freaking hate those things.
>> >>
>> >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and
>> >> roasted
>> >> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked
>> >> the
>> >> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but
>> >> could
>> >> be a touch more tender.
>> >
>> > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops.
>> > I'm
>> > glad we have gas here though.
>>
>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The US
> has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they trying
> to get rid of propane gas usage too?

Yep. Trying to get rid of all fossil fuels.Now here's what's funny. When
there was a big to do about Trump going to put coal miners back to work, I
researched coal. The biggest use of coal in this country is to power plants
that generate electricity. Hehehe. Idiots!

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/19/2020 8:46 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I
>>>>> needed
>>>>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match
>>>>> my
>>>>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was
>>>>> told
>>>>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>>>> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>>>
>>>>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>>>> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>>>>> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3
>>>>> year
>>>>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>>>> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest
>>>>> setting,
>>>>> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter
>>>>> too
>>>>> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That
>>>>> could
>>>>> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat
>>>>> top
>>>>> and I freaking hate those things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and
>>>>> roasted
>>>>> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked
>>>>> the
>>>>> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but
>>>>> could
>>>>> be a touch more tender.
>>>>
>>>> The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops.
>>>> I'm
>>>> glad we have gas here though.
>>>
>>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>
>> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The
>> US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they
>> trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>>
>
> So far, they have not demanded conversion. New construction cannot have
> natural gas.

Yes but there is talk of them outlawing it all together here. The hardest
hit will be seniors who likely own older homes. They will be expected to
convert to electric.

> wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 7:38:26 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> news
>> >
>> > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops.
>> > I'm
>> > glad we have gas here though.
>>
>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>
> Dunce. They're not trying to 'outlaw gas' they are just giving big
> incentives
> to builders who build all electric homes.
>
> Good grief.

Do you live in Seattle? No. When I say "here" I mean the area where I live.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/19/2020 8:39 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I
>>>> needed
>>>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was
>>>> told
>>>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>>> replace
>>>> my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>>
>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>>
>>>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>>> from
>>>> being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>>>> overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>>>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>>
>>>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>>> burners
>>>> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the
>>>> food
>>>> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer.
>>>
>>> For a low simmer you you need to use the smallest burner, the same
>>> with gas stoves. The level of simmer also depends on the pot size and
>>> how much is in it... it's difficult to get a low simmer with smaller
>>> pots especialy with little in it. I suggest buying larger pot roasts,
>>> at least 3 pounds, and cook your veggies in the pot with the meat and
>>> have enough liquid so that it comes halfway up on the meat... add your
>>> veggies during the last hour of cooking or they will over cook. You
>>> should easily get a slow simmer when using a 6-8 quart pot...
>>> sometimes you may need to tilt the lid to allow some heat to escape,
>>> you may periodically need to add a bit more liquid to compensate for
>>> evaporation.
>>>
>>>> Oven seems hotter too
>>>
>>> How can that be, there must be a calibrated dial or an LED readout...
>>> get yourself an oven thermometer that lives in the oven to check, they
>>> cost about $5. If the oven temperature setting doesn't agree with the
>>> thermometer (within like +/-5º) there is something wrong with that
>>> stove so you need to contact GE... sometimes oven thermostats are
>>> faulty or not placed correctly.
>>>
>>>> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>>
>>>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
>>>> be
>>>> why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
>>>> and I
>>>> freaking hate those things.
>>>
>>> Natural gas can be problematic depending on topography... difficult to
>>> install and service in hilly areas. But there's propane so there goes
>>> your excuses. And propane costs a lot less than electric, by about
>>> half. An electric stove is a big time electric consumer.
>>>
>>>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>>>> the
>>>> veggies in the oven with a little beef broth.
>>>
>>> WHY?
>>> Should have added the veggies to the same pot with the meat.
>>>
>>>> Should have cooked the meat a
>>>> bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
>>>> touch
>>>> more tender.
>>>
>>> Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.
>>
>> I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies
>> than meat.
>
> Pot roast is pot roast. Putting the veggies in it is essentially a stew
> with one big lump or meat.
>
> We always made mashed potatoes with it as there is lots of gravy. Other
> veggies on the side.

I don't do gravy. Just the meat juices.

> wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 7:39:17 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >>Should have cooked the meat a
>> >>bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
>> >>touch
>> >>more tender.
>> >
>> > Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.
>>
>> I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies
>> than
>> meat.
>>
> Did you ever think about buying a larger pot since you all eat more
> vegetables
> than meat?? You shoulda asked mommy to buy you a larger pot while she was
> springing for the new range.

I don't need to buy a larger pot and I prefer my veggies to be roasted. So
there!

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>>>
>>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not tolerate
>>> someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>>
>> The stove was shot. One burner broken.
>
>
> A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as a
> light bulb.

One small burner was $29 plus shippng many years ago. All four needed to be
replaced as did the drip pans. I can't remember what a set of those cost but
not cheap. A new appliance was warranted.
>
>
>
>
>>The broken door was a side bar issue.
>
>
> A side bar issue? Really. I guess that explains why you were so ****ed
> off about it that you had to come here to whine about it. I guess the
> little side bar issue didn't have enough drama for you,

You love drama, don't you?

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:10:49 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:15:03 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 4:07:46 PM UTC-6, Don Wiss wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
> >> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
> >>
> >What is a 'pro style range'?
> >>
> >> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and
> >> an
> >> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see
> >> when
> >> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat,
> >> often
> >> the oil splashes out.
> >>
> >Too much oil and poor cooking skill if you're splashing it out of the
> >pan.
> >Looking at oil in a pan and it shimmers will tell you it's hot enough to
> >add meat without a temperature gun gizmo.
> >>
> >> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
> >> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
> >>
> >They will become 'popular' when the price drops.
>
> Induction will NEVER become popular except for those who can't cook...
> they said the same about microwave cookery.
> Real cooking requires real fire (Period).

Let's face it, yoose needs to see the fire for your brain to understand that
yoose is cooking. Induction is so mysterious to yoose that it must be
magic/witchcraft/voodoo. That sooooo scary, ain't it? OTOH, you're right
induction is magic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZilP4yfk-zI

==

Wow!

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 8:46:43 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> > news
> > > On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
> > >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
> > >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
> > >> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
> > >> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
> > >>
> > >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
> > >>
> > >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
> > >> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
> > >> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
> > >> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
> > >>
> > >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
> > >> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting,
> > >> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too
> > >> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
> > >>
> > >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
> > >> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
> > >> and I freaking hate those things.
> > >>
> > >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
> > >> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the
> > >> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could
> > >> be a touch more tender.
> > >
> > > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
> > > glad we have gas here though.
> >
> > They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?

It's about climate change. Julie's electricity is likely hydro.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Doris Night > wrote:

>I have a single-burner portable induction hob. Bought it about 8 years
>ago for ~$100. I absolutely love it, and use it daily.

They're cheaper now. This is the one I used in my temporary kitchen:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0045QEPYM

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
> > So far, they have not demanded conversion. New construction cannot have
> > natural gas.
>
> Yes but there is talk of them outlawing it all together here. The hardest
> hit will be seniors who likely own older homes. They will be expected to
> convert to electric.

That's usually not true, Julie.
Most times the "grandfather clause" is used.

Means that if you have one, you can still use gas until
you need to replace the stove or furnace, etc.
OR, if you sell your house, new owners will have to convert.

How is electricity generated for Bothell?

My one grandfather owned a house in Point Lookout, Md.
The state turned all the area into a State Park.
They paid him a "fair" price for his property and still
allowed him to live there as long as he wanted to.
Once he moved or died, it became state park property.
He lived there until he died, many years later.

dsi1 wrote:
> I have had that experience of putting a stainless steel pan
> on the stove and getting nowhere. We should be having ranges
> that work with all metals. I mean, is this not the year 2020?

We've had stoves for many years that do that

Don Wiss wrote:
> The stove I bought is the top rated pro-style range in Consumer Reports.
> All gas stoves take longer to boil water than a regular electric stove.

My gas stove boils water quick enough for me. In a hurry much?

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
> > Pot roast is pot roast. Putting the veggies in it is essentially a stew
> > with one big lump or meat.
> >
> > We always made mashed potatoes with it as there is lots of gravy. Other
> > veggies on the side.
>
> I don't do gravy. Just the meat juices.

You're no good cook then. That's exactly why I've never
had a good pot roast. Simmering the meat and vegetables,
all the good flavor is in the water.

Just serving the blah meat and vegetables with a spoonful
or so of the water results in a very tasteless meal.
My mother (and my ex) always made it your way.

So easy to turn those juices into a tasty gravy to save
the meal.

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 8:21:03 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
> > > Pot roast is pot roast. Putting the veggies in it is essentially a stew
> > > with one big lump or meat.
> > >
> > > We always made mashed potatoes with it as there is lots of gravy. Other
> > > veggies on the side.
> >
> > I don't do gravy. Just the meat juices.
>
> You're no good cook then. That's exactly why I've never
> had a good pot roast. Simmering the meat and vegetables,
> all the good flavor is in the water.

Well, there's the first mistake. Using water. I use wine, stock,
or more usually a combination of the two. And not a lot of it.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2020-02-20 4:17 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>>>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
>>>> tolerate someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>>>
>>> The stove was shot. One burner broken.
>>
>>
>> A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as
>> a light bulb.
>
> One small burner was $29 plus shippng many years ago. All four needed to
> be replaced as did the drip pans. I can't remember what a set of those
> cost but not cheap. A new appliance was warranted.
>>


C'mon... Get your story straight. First you say one burner was shot,
then you say that all four needed replacement.

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-02-20 4:17 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
> >>>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
> >>>> tolerate someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
> >>>
> >>> The stove was shot. One burner broken.
> >>
> >>
> >> A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as
> >> a light bulb.
> >
> > One small burner was $29 plus shippng many years ago. All four needed to
> > be replaced as did the drip pans. I can't remember what a set of those
> > cost but not cheap. A new appliance was warranted.
> >>
>
>
> C'mon... Get your story straight. First you say one burner was shot,
> then you say that all four needed replacement.

Could be one was completely dead and three were on their last legs.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2020-02-20 10:00 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-02-20 4:17 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>>>>>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
>>>>>> tolerate someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> The stove was shot. One burner broken.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as
>>>> a light bulb.
>>>
>>> One small burner was $29 plus shippng many years ago. All four needed to
>>> be replaced as did the drip pans. I can't remember what a set of those
>>> cost but not cheap. A new appliance was warranted.
>>>>
>>
>>
>> C'mon... Get your story straight. First you say one burner was shot,
>> then you say that all four needed replacement.
>
> Could be one was completely dead and three were on their last legs.


When is a stove burner on it's last legs? She said that one burner was
shot and that the door was just a side bar issue. When I pointed out
how cheap and easy it is to replace a burner the story changed to all
four needing to be replaced. This is part of Julie's MO. she offers
some details but then completely changes the situation.

On 2/20/2020 4:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> news >>> > On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I
>>> >> needed
>>> >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to
>>> match >> my
>>> >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I
>>> was >> told
>>> >> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>> >> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>> >>
>>> >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>> >>
>>> >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>> >> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>>> >> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a
>>> 3 >> year
>>> >> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>> >>
>>> >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>> >> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest
>>> >> setting,
>>> >> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems
>>> hotter >> too
>>> >> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>> >>
>>> >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That
>>> >> could
>>> >> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the
>>> flat >> top
>>> >> and I freaking hate those things.
>>> >>
>>> >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and >>
>>> roasted
>>> >> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have
>>> cooked >> the
>>> >> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but
>>> >> could
>>> >> be a touch more tender.
>>> >
>>> > The button idea is a good one.Â* I agree, I don't like the flat
>>> tops. > I'm
>>> > glad we have gas hereÂ* though.
>>>
>>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>
>> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting.
>> The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are
>> they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>
> Yep. Trying to get rid of all fossil fuels.Now here's what's funny. When
> there was a big to do about Trump going to put coal miners back to work,
> I researched coal. The biggest use of coal in this country is to power
> plants that generate electricity. Hehehe. Idiots!

Japan is building 20 new power plants that will be coal fired.

On 2/19/2020 7:47 PM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 7:38:26 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> news
>>>
>>> The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
>>> glad we have gas here though.
>>
>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>
> Dunce. They're not trying to 'outlaw gas' they are just giving big incentives
> to builders who build all electric homes.
>
> Good grief.
>


If by incentive you mean prohibition, then you are right. Berkley and
San Jose (plus others, I imagine) have BANNED natural gas on new
construction.

On 2/19/2020 6:23 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Taxed and Spent > wrote:
>
>> On 2/19/2020 2:07 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>>> All-Clad fry pan.
>>
>> easy to make induction sound great when you are comparing it to some
>> lousy stove such as that.
>
> The stove I bought is the top rated pro-style range in Consumer Reports.
> All gas stoves take longer to boil water than a regular electric stove.
>
> To the one that asked what a pro-style range is, this is the one I now
> have: https://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/aj...GP304NRSS.html
>
> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).
>

Three minutes to heat up a fry pan?

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 01:17:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>> On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>>>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not tolerate
>>>> someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>>>
>>> The stove was shot. One burner broken.
>>
>>
>> A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as a
>> light bulb.
>
>One small burner was $29 plus shippng many years ago. All four needed to be
>replaced as did the drip pans. I can't remember what a set of those cost but
>not cheap. A new appliance was warranted.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>The broken door was a side bar issue.
>>
>>
>> A side bar issue? Really. I guess that explains why you were so ****ed
>> off about it that you had to come here to whine about it. I guess the
>> little side bar issue didn't have enough drama for you,
>
>You love drama, don't you?

the drip pans are available at Winco in the utensil aisle for $6/2
pans (1 large, 1 small) That's what I do every couple years. $30 is
about right for a new electric burner.
Janet US

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:07:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-02-20 10:00 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2020-02-20 4:17 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>>>>>>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
>>>>>>> tolerate someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The stove was shot. One burner broken.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as
>>>>> a light bulb.
>>>>
>>>> One small burner was $29 plus shippng many years ago. All four needed to
>>>> be replaced as did the drip pans. I can't remember what a set of those
>>>> cost but not cheap. A new appliance was warranted.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> C'mon... Get your story straight. First you say one burner was shot,
>>> then you say that all four needed replacement.
>>
>> Could be one was completely dead and three were on their last legs.
>
>
>When is a stove burner on it's last legs? She said that one burner was
>shot and that the door was just a side bar issue. When I pointed out
>how cheap and easy it is to replace a burner the story changed to all
>four needing to be replaced. This is part of Julie's MO. she offers
>some details but then completely changes the situation.
>
The doo-hickeys that hold the coils together can get wonky all about
the same time. If you are going to the electrical supply store for a
new electrical coil burner you might as well replace them all.
BTDT..Nothing lasts forever (well, the stoves made in the 50s almost
did but that is no longer true)
Janet US

On 2020-02-20 10:09 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/20/2020 4:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> Yep. Trying to get rid of all fossil fuels.Now here's what's funny.
>> When there was a big to do about Trump going to put coal miners back
>> to work, I researched coal. The biggest use of coal in this country is
>> to power plants that generate electricity. Hehehe. Idiots!
>
> Japan is building 20 new power plants that will be coal fired.

Great system we have. We are supposed to switch to renewable energy
sources and stop burning fossil fuels but the much more densely
populated Asia is using more and more of it.

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:37:14 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-02-20 10:09 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 2/20/2020 4:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Yep. Trying to get rid of all fossil fuels.Now here's what's funny.
> >> When there was a big to do about Trump going to put coal miners back
> >> to work, I researched coal. The biggest use of coal in this country is
> >> to power plants that generate electricity. Hehehe. Idiots!
> >
> > Japan is building 20 new power plants that will be coal fired.
>
> Great system we have. We are supposed to switch to renewable energy
> sources and stop burning fossil fuels but the much more densely
> populated Asia is using more and more of it.

There isn't much that we can do about that. Diplomacy (heh), trade
agreements, etc. We can control our own behavior, though.

They seem to be doing what they can to mitigate their emissions, if
this article is to be believed:

<https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/09/24/business/japan-clean-coal-climate-change-pollution/#.Xk7UE_ROm70>

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 3:15:33 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >> I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies
> >> than
> >> meat.
> >>
> > Did you ever think about buying a larger pot since you all eat more
> > vegetables
> > than meat?? You shoulda asked mommy to buy you a larger pot while she was
> > springing for the new range.
>
> I don't need to buy a larger pot and I prefer my veggies to be roasted. So
> there!
>
Have you taken up residence with Koo-Koo-Kuthe? You said, and I left the
quote in above since you deny things you've clearly written, "I didn't
have a pot big enough for the veggies." And now your back peddling butt
says "I don't need to buy a larger pot and I prefer my veggies to be
roasted. So there!"

Damn, no wonder your husband divorced your butt.

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 05:30:49 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 8:21:03 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> > "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>> > > Pot roast is pot roast. Putting the veggies in it is essentially a stew
>> > > with one big lump or meat.
>> > >
>> > > We always made mashed potatoes with it as there is lots of gravy. Other
>> > > veggies on the side.
>> >
>> > I don't do gravy. Just the meat juices.
>>
>> You're no good cook then. That's exactly why I've never
>> had a good pot roast. Simmering the meat and vegetables,
>> all the good flavor is in the water.
>
>Well, there's the first mistake. Using water. I use wine, stock,
>or more usually a combination of the two. And not a lot of it.

Beer works pretty well, too, if you don't happen to have any wine
kicking around.

Doris

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>
>They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.

Why? Are you saying that outdoor gas grills will be outlawed? Are
you willing to share the reason for outlawing gas for cooking etc. or
is it just more of your idiotic BS?

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 22:07:37 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/19/2020 8:46 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>>>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>>>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>>>>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>>>> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>>>
>>>>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>>>> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>>>>> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>>>>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>>>> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting,
>>>>> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too
>>>>> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
>>>>> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
>>>>> and I freaking hate those things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>>>>> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the
>>>>> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could
>>>>> be a touch more tender.
>>>>
>>>> The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
>>>> glad we have gas here though.
>>>
>>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>
>> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>
>So far, they have not demanded conversion. New construction cannot have
>natural gas.

Didn't you hear that it's now illegal to fart in WA state.

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 03:05:58 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 8:46:43 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> > news >> > > On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>> > >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>> > >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>> > >> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>> > >> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>> > >>
>> > >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>> > >>
>> > >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>> > >> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>> > >> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>> > >> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>> > >>
>> > >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>> > >> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting,
>> > >> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too
>> > >> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>> > >>
>> > >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
>> > >> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
>> > >> and I freaking hate those things.
>> > >>
>> > >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>> > >> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the
>> > >> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could
>> > >> be a touch more tender.
>> > >
>> > > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
>> > > glad we have gas here though.
>> >
>> > They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>
>> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>
>It's about climate change. Julie's electricity is likely hydro.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Possibly during spring when water is freely flowing, not during winter
and summer months. There are areas in NYS that rely on hydro but only
during spring... during winter water freezes, during summer water only
flows during neavy rain. The creek in front of my house used to power
mills that produced wooden spools, clothespins, buttons. etc. They
became very inefficient as population grew, those mills closed over a
hundred years ago. The point is that hydro is very unreliable.
There's a road near here named Red Mill Road, a hundred years ago
there were many water mills along that road, now they are just
rotting. It would cost a lot more to maintain those mills than any
electric power they'd produce. Some of those old buildings were
converted to storage for farm equipment and hay bales.

On 2/20/2020 4:12 PM, Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
> Why? Are you saying that outdoor gas grills will be outlawed? Are
> you willing to share the reason for outlawing gas for cooking etc. or
> is it just more of your idiotic BS?
>
It has been in the news. They what to eliminate greenhouse gasses. In
some towns in CA no new natural gas. No mention of grills that I saw.

https://www.ewg.org/energy/22951/cit...al-gas-hookups

https://www.axios.com/natural-gas-ba...f1b67738e.html

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 01:13:20 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> wrote in message
...
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 7:38:26 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> news >>> >
>>> > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops.
>>> > I'm
>>> > glad we have gas here though.
>>>
>>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>>
>> Dunce. They're not trying to 'outlaw gas' they are just giving big
>> incentives
>> to builders who build all electric homes.
>>
>> Good grief.
>
>Do you live in Seattle? No. When I say "here" I mean the area where I live.

Who gives a rat's ass... all electric homes cost at least twice as
much to operate than petro fueled homes... electric heat costs three
times as much as gas heat. Besides, producing electric pollutes more.
There's no free lunch, science needs to figure it out... a lot more
research is needed... and I happen to know for a fact that solar is
not the answer. Solar panels are expensive to manufacture, are very
poluting to manufacture as they consist mostly of plastic, and they
are very short lived as plastic decomposes from exposure to UV light
(sun light), if you can get five years from a panel you'd be lucky.
The energy solution is very simple, there is way too much unprotected
****ing on this planet... no one should be permitted to produce a
hocky team. A couple should not be permitted to produce more than a
couple of kids, TWO! No one needs more than two kids, most can't
provide for more than one. The best solution to the energy crisis is
to practice oral sex.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:39:05 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Sheldon" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>>>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>>replace
>>>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>
>>>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>
>>>It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
>>>being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>>>overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>>>warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>
>>>So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>>burners
>>>have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
>>>continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer.
>>
>> For a low simmer you you need to use the smallest burner, the same
>> with gas stoves. The level of simmer also depends on the pot size and
>> how much is in it... it's difficult to get a low simmer with smaller
>> pots especialy with little in it. I suggest buying larger pot roasts,
>> at least 3 pounds, and cook your veggies in the pot with the meat and
>> have enough liquid so that it comes halfway up on the meat... add your
>> veggies during the last hour of cooking or they will over cook. You
>> should easily get a slow simmer when using a 6-8 quart pot...
>> sometimes you may need to tilt the lid to allow some heat to escape,
>> you may periodically need to add a bit more liquid to compensate for
>> evaporation.
>>
>>>Oven seems hotter too
>>
>> How can that be, there must be a calibrated dial or an LED readout...
>> get yourself an oven thermometer that lives in the oven to check, they
>> cost about $5. If the oven temperature setting doesn't agree with the
>> thermometer (within like +/-5º) there is something wrong with that
>> stove so you need to contact GE... sometimes oven thermostats are
>> faulty or not placed correctly.
>>
>>>and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>
>>>There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
>>>why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and
>>>I
>>>freaking hate those things.
>>
>> Natural gas can be problematic depending on topography... difficult to
>> install and service in hilly areas. But there's propane so there goes
>> your excuses. And propane costs a lot less than electric, by about
>> half. An electric stove is a big time electric consumer.
>>
>>>Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>>>the
>>>veggies in the oven with a little beef broth.
>>
>> WHY?
>> Should have added the veggies to the same pot with the meat.
>>
>>>Should have cooked the meat a
>>>bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
>>>touch
>>>more tender.
>>
>> Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.
>
>I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies than
>meat.

Buy a larger pot, IDIOT!

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 05:30:49 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 8:21:03 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> > "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>> > > Pot roast is pot roast. Putting the veggies in it is essentially a stew
>> > > with one big lump or meat.
>> > >
>> > > We always made mashed potatoes with it as there is lots of gravy. Other
>> > > veggies on the side.
>> >
>> > I don't do gravy. Just the meat juices.
>>
>> You're no good cook then. That's exactly why I've never
>> had a good pot roast. Simmering the meat and vegetables,
>> all the good flavor is in the water.
>
>Well, there's the first mistake. Using water. I use wine, stock,
>or more usually a combination of the two. And not a lot of it.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

For pot roast I use beer/ale.

On 2/20/2020 4:55 PM, Sheldon wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 03:05:58 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 8:46:43 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>>>>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>>>>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>>>>>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>>>>> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>>>>> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>>>>>> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>>>>>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>>>>> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting,
>>>>>> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too
>>>>>> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
>>>>>> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
>>>>>> and I freaking hate those things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>>>>>> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the
>>>>>> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could
>>>>>> be a touch more tender.
>>>>>
>>>>> The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
>>>>> glad we have gas here though.
>>>>
>>>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>>
>>> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>>
>> It's about climate change. Julie's electricity is likely hydro.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Possibly during spring when water is freely flowing, not during winter
> and summer months. There are areas in NYS that rely on hydro but only
> during spring... during winter water freezes, during summer water only
> flows during neavy rain.

Julie lives near Seattle, WA. There are three major dams near Seattle
which are used, in part, to generate electricity.

Jill