"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>>They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
> Why? Are you saying that outdoor gas grills will be outlawed? Are
> you willing to share the reason for outlawing gas for cooking etc. or
> is it just more of your idiotic BS?

No gas or propane. Fossil fuels you know. It's what the liberals want.

"Leo" wrote in message
vidual.Net...

On 2020 Feb 21, , Ophelia wrote
(in article >):

> LOL I still haven't come to terms with the word 'woke'!!! Do you use
> it??
>
> BTW 'Dude' is still not something I know)

Dont learn either one. Youre better than that. I use them while
winking spastically. It doesnt come across on Usenet


leo

====

Ok thanks I will take your advice

In article al.Net>,
says...
>
> On 2020 Feb 21, , Ophelia wrote
> (in article >):
>
> > People will not be allowed to buy coal here from next February.
>
> So ?coals to Newcastle? will become meaningless. Are you sure that
> Brexit won?t change existing edicts?

Yes. Global warming is taken seriously here.

Coal mining is almost defunct in UK,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil...United_Kingdom

United Kingdom

"All coal-fired power stations will be closed by 2024 or earlier.[133
This will not be a complete phase-out of fossil fuels because gas-fired
power stations will continue to provide some firm power.

Scotland's last coal power station closed in 2016 and Wales' last coal
power station closed in December 2019.

Coal power in England has also reduced substantially. In generating
capability there has been the closure of the Hinton Heavies, and closure
or conversion to biomass of the remaining coal plants will be completed
by 2024. In terms of actual production, in 2018 it was less than at any
time since the industrial revolution. The first "coal free day" took
place in 2017. Coal supplied 5.4% of UK electricity in 2018, down from
30% in 2014,[138] and 70% in 1990.[134]

Gas heating will be banned for new homes by 2025. Petrol and diesel cars
will be banned in 2035 "

Janet UK

"Bruce" > wrote in message
news
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 14:54:14 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 2/20/2020 4:12 PM, Sheldon wrote:
>>> > On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use
>>> >> it.
>>> >
>>> > Why? Are you saying that outdoor gas grills will be outlawed? Are
>>> > you willing to share the reason for outlawing gas for cooking etc. or
>>> > is it just more of your idiotic BS?
>>> >
>>> It has been in the news. They what to eliminate greenhouse gasses. In
>>> some towns in CA no new natural gas. No mention of grills that I saw.
>>>
>>> https://www.ewg.org/energy/22951/cit...al-gas-hookups
>>>
>>> https://www.axios.com/natural-gas-ba...f1b67738e.html
>>
>>When we moved into our new home in Kailua back in the 1962, much ado was
>>made about the kitchen and water heating and dryer being natural gas. It
>>seemed so modern. That was the latest thing. 60 years later, there's
>>nothing modern about it.
>>
>>I'm not a fan of gas, it takes so long to heat up the pans and it made the
>>kitchen an uncomfortable place to be in. My memories of how it felt to be
>>in the kitchen are not good. My parents did save a large amount of money
>>by using gas.
>
> I never had a problem being in a kitchen where gas was used. Maybe
> you're highly sensitive?

I never had that problem either.

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 22:07:37 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 2/19/2020 8:46 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I
>>>>>> needed
>>>>>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was
>>>>>> told
>>>>>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>>>>> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>>>>> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>>>>>> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3
>>>>>> year
>>>>>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>>>>> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest
>>>>>> setting,
>>>>>> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter
>>>>>> too
>>>>>> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat
>>>>>> top
>>>>>> and I freaking hate those things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and
>>>>>> roasted
>>>>>> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> be a touch more tender.
>>>>>
>>>>> The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops.
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> glad we have gas here though.
>>>>
>>>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>>
>>> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The
>>> US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they
>>> trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>>
>>So far, they have not demanded conversion. New construction cannot have
>>natural gas.
>
> Didn't you hear that it's now illegal to fart in WA state.

Only for cows.

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 03:05:58 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 8:46:43 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> > news >>> > > On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> > >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I
>>> > >> needed
>>> > >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to
>>> > >> match my
>>> > >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I
>>> > >> was told
>>> > >> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>> > >> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I
>>> > >> got:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>> > >>
>>> > >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the
>>> > >> burners
>>> > >> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the
>>> > >> burners
>>> > >> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3
>>> > >> year
>>> > >> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one.
>>> > >> The
>>> > >> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest
>>> > >> setting,
>>> > >> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems
>>> > >> hotter too
>>> > >> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to
>>> > >> bottom.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That
>>> > >> could
>>> > >> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the
>>> > >> flat top
>>> > >> and I freaking hate those things.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and
>>> > >> roasted
>>> > >> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have
>>> > >> cooked the
>>> > >> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but
>>> > >> could
>>> > >> be a touch more tender.
>>> > >
>>> > > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops.
>>> > > I'm
>>> > > glad we have gas here though.
>>> >
>>> > They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>>
>>> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The
>>> US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they
>>> trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>>
>>It's about climate change. Julie's electricity is likely hydro.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
> Possibly during spring when water is freely flowing, not during winter
> and summer months. There are areas in NYS that rely on hydro but only
> during spring... during winter water freezes, during summer water only
> flows during neavy rain. The creek in front of my house used to power
> mills that produced wooden spools, clothespins, buttons. etc. They
> became very inefficient as population grew, those mills closed over a
> hundred years ago. The point is that hydro is very unreliable.
> There's a road near here named Red Mill Road, a hundred years ago
> there were many water mills along that road, now they are just
> rotting. It would cost a lot more to maintain those mills than any
> electric power they'd produce. Some of those old buildings were
> converted to storage for farm equipment and hay bales.

Our electricity is Hydro here all year.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/20/2020 4:55 PM, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 03:05:58 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 8:46:43 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>> On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I
>>>>>>> needed
>>>>>>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was
>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>>>>>> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the
>>>>>>> burners
>>>>>>> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the
>>>>>>> burners
>>>>>>> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3
>>>>>>> year
>>>>>>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>>>>>> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest
>>>>>>> setting,
>>>>>>> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems
>>>>>>> hotter too
>>>>>>> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the
>>>>>>> flat top
>>>>>>> and I freaking hate those things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and
>>>>>>> roasted
>>>>>>> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> be a touch more tender.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops.
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> glad we have gas here though.
>>>>>
>>>>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>>>>
>>>> That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The
>>>> US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they
>>>> trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?
>>>
>>> It's about climate change. Julie's electricity is likely hydro.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Possibly during spring when water is freely flowing, not during winter
>> and summer months. There are areas in NYS that rely on hydro but only
>> during spring... during winter water freezes, during summer water only
>> flows during neavy rain.
>
> Julie lives near Seattle, WA. There are three major dams near Seattle
> which are used, in part, to generate electricity.
>
> Jill

Yep.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>> > Pot roast is pot roast. Putting the veggies in it is essentially a
>> > stew
>> > with one big lump or meat.
>> >
>> > We always made mashed potatoes with it as there is lots of gravy. Other
>> > veggies on the side.
>>
>> I don't do gravy. Just the meat juices.
>
> You're no good cook then. That's exactly why I've never
> had a good pot roast. Simmering the meat and vegetables,
> all the good flavor is in the water.
>
> Just serving the blah meat and vegetables with a spoonful
> or so of the water results in a very tasteless meal.
> My mother (and my ex) always made it your way.
>
> So easy to turn those juices into a tasty gravy to save
> the meal.

It's not tasteless at all. Everything is seasoned, the meat is tender and
the juices reduced. I didn't grow up eating gravy except for the occasional
packet.

On 2/21/2020 4:48 AM, Ophelia wrote:

> Â*Â*Â* People will not be allowed to buy coal here from next February.
>
I'd better stock up, then - that's my backup for heat during power failures.

> wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 3:15:33 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> >> I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more
>> >> veggies
>> >> than
>> >> meat.
>> >>
>> > Did you ever think about buying a larger pot since you all eat more
>> > vegetables
>> > than meat?? You shoulda asked mommy to buy you a larger pot while she
>> > was
>> > springing for the new range.
>>
>> I don't need to buy a larger pot and I prefer my veggies to be roasted.
>> So
>> there!
>>
> Have you taken up residence with Koo-Koo-Kuthe? You said, and I left the
> quote in above since you deny things you've clearly written, "I didn't
> have a pot big enough for the veggies." And now your back peddling butt
> says "I don't need to buy a larger pot and I prefer my veggies to be
> roasted. So there!"
>
> Damn, no wonder your husband divorced your butt.

Go hang!

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/20/2020 2:25 PM, wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 3:15:33 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>> I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more
>>>>> veggies
>>>>> than
>>>>> meat.
>>>>>
>>>> Did you ever think about buying a larger pot since you all eat more
>>>> vegetables
>>>> than meat?? You shoulda asked mommy to buy you a larger pot while she
>>>> was
>>>> springing for the new range.
>>>
>>> I don't need to buy a larger pot and I prefer my veggies to be roasted.
>>> So
>>> there!
>>>
>> Have you taken up residence with Koo-Koo-Kuthe? You said, and I left the
>> quote in above since you deny things you've clearly written, "I didn't
>> have a pot big enough for the veggies." And now your back peddling butt
>> says "I don't need to buy a larger pot and I prefer my veggies to be
>> roasted. So there!"
>>
> My takeaway is she needs a bigger vegetable roasting pan. Or a larger
> baking sheet, whatever she uses to roast vegetables. Next thing you know
> she'll blame the new stove/oven because she didn't have a big enough
> whatever.
>
> I will concede it takes a couple or three tries to get used to cooking on
> a different stove, new or not. There's a learning curve.
>
> Jill

I had a huge roasting pan. I say "had" because it went into the recycle bin.
I had forgotten that the reason I didn't use it was that the bottom was very
slippery and the pan would warp with heat. Once, a hot pan with roast and
veggies shot out of the oven at me and I had to catch it in mid air.

I have other baking/roasting pans. I made more veggies than usual because I
got three marked down bags of organic baby carrots and I used them all.

I did the meat in a Dutch oven on top of the stove. I could have thrown some
of the veggies in there. I have done that. I just prefer the taste of
roasted ones which is why I did them that way.

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:39:05 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Sheldon" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>>>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>>>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was
>>>>told
>>>>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>>>replace
>>>>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>>>
>>>>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>>
>>>>It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>>>>from
>>>>being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>>>>overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>>>>warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>>>
>>>>So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>>>burners
>>>>have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the
>>>>food
>>>>continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer.
>>>
>>> For a low simmer you you need to use the smallest burner, the same
>>> with gas stoves. The level of simmer also depends on the pot size and
>>> how much is in it... it's difficult to get a low simmer with smaller
>>> pots especialy with little in it. I suggest buying larger pot roasts,
>>> at least 3 pounds, and cook your veggies in the pot with the meat and
>>> have enough liquid so that it comes halfway up on the meat... add your
>>> veggies during the last hour of cooking or they will over cook. You
>>> should easily get a slow simmer when using a 6-8 quart pot...
>>> sometimes you may need to tilt the lid to allow some heat to escape,
>>> you may periodically need to add a bit more liquid to compensate for
>>> evaporation.
>>>
>>>>Oven seems hotter too
>>>
>>> How can that be, there must be a calibrated dial or an LED readout...
>>> get yourself an oven thermometer that lives in the oven to check, they
>>> cost about $5. If the oven temperature setting doesn't agree with the
>>> thermometer (within like +/-5º) there is something wrong with that
>>> stove so you need to contact GE... sometimes oven thermostats are
>>> faulty or not placed correctly.
>>>
>>>>and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>>>
>>>>There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
>>>>be
>>>>why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
>>>>and
>>>>I
>>>>freaking hate those things.
>>>
>>> Natural gas can be problematic depending on topography... difficult to
>>> install and service in hilly areas. But there's propane so there goes
>>> your excuses. And propane costs a lot less than electric, by about
>>> half. An electric stove is a big time electric consumer.
>>>
>>>>Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>>>>the
>>>>veggies in the oven with a little beef broth.
>>>
>>> WHY?
>>> Should have added the veggies to the same pot with the meat.
>>>
>>>>Should have cooked the meat a
>>>>bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
>>>>touch
>>>>more tender.
>>>
>>> Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.
>>
>>I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies
>>than
>>meat.
>
> Buy a larger pot, IDIOT!

I wanted them roasted. I prefer them that way. Dumb ass!

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2020-02-20 4:17 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>>>>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
>>>>> tolerate someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>>>>
>>>> The stove was shot. One burner broken.
>>>
>>>
>>> A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as a
>>> light bulb.
>>
>> One small burner was $29 plus shippng many years ago. All four needed to
>> be replaced as did the drip pans. I can't remember what a set of those
>> cost but not cheap. A new appliance was warranted.
>>>
>
>
> C'mon... Get your story straight. First you say one burner was shot, then
> you say that all four needed replacement.

Yes, they did. All were still useable but the front left has already been
replaced once and a piece had broken off underneath. The other three were
not far behind. They grew worse each day. Not rusty but aged and blackened.
Very fragile. I am referring to the metal parts and not the coil.

On 2/21/2020 4:31 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
> ===
>
> Â* I just heard this morning that they are banning coal and raw wood for
> fires from February next year.
>
> Â* That will be bad news for many people in this area who have wood and
> coal stoves!
>
> Â*Â* As time goes on I am sure more things will be banned.Â* We use oil
> for heating and there are murmurs about that too
>
> Â*Â*

Having to rely on just electricity, would be disastrous - and expensive!
in my area.
Will they also be banning petrol powered backup generators?

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2020-02-20 10:00 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2020-02-20 4:17 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>>>>>>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
>>>>>>> tolerate someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The stove was shot. One burner broken.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as
>>>>> a light bulb.
>>>>
>>>> One small burner was $29 plus shippng many years ago. All four needed
>>>> to
>>>> be replaced as did the drip pans. I can't remember what a set of those
>>>> cost but not cheap. A new appliance was warranted.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> C'mon... Get your story straight. First you say one burner was shot,
>>> then you say that all four needed replacement.
>>
>> Could be one was completely dead and three were on their last legs.
>
>
> When is a stove burner on it's last legs? She said that one burner was
> shot and that the door was just a side bar issue. When I pointed out how
> cheap and easy it is to replace a burner the story changed to all four
> needing to be replaced. This is part of Julie's MO. she offers some
> details but then completely changes the situation.

As I said... I paid $29 plus postage some years ago to replace one burner.
I'm sure they cost more now despite what you claim. Also the drip pans
needed replaced and there were parts broken off under the top of the stove
that lifts up for cleaning. The stove was 16 years old. It was a cheap
stove. It was time for a funeral.

"U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:07:24 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2020-02-20 10:00 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2020-02-20 4:17 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
>>>>>>>> tolerate someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The stove was shot. One burner broken.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as
>>>>>> a light bulb.
>>>>>
>>>>> One small burner was $29 plus shippng many years ago. All four needed
>>>>> to
>>>>> be replaced as did the drip pans. I can't remember what a set of those
>>>>> cost but not cheap. A new appliance was warranted.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> C'mon... Get your story straight. First you say one burner was shot,
>>>> then you say that all four needed replacement.
>>>
>>> Could be one was completely dead and three were on their last legs.
>>
>>
>>When is a stove burner on it's last legs? She said that one burner was
>>shot and that the door was just a side bar issue. When I pointed out
>>how cheap and easy it is to replace a burner the story changed to all
>>four needing to be replaced. This is part of Julie's MO. she offers
>>some details but then completely changes the situation.
>>
> The doo-hickeys that hold the coils together can get wonky all about
> the same time. If you are going to the electrical supply store for a
> new electrical coil burner you might as well replace them all.
> BTDT..Nothing lasts forever (well, the stoves made in the 50s almost
> did but that is no longer true)
> Janet US

Thank you!

"U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 01:17:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>>>>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
>>>>> tolerate
>>>>> someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>>>>
>>>> The stove was shot. One burner broken.
>>>
>>>
>>> A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as a
>>> light bulb.
>>
>>One small burner was $29 plus shippng many years ago. All four needed to
>>be
>>replaced as did the drip pans. I can't remember what a set of those cost
>>but
>>not cheap. A new appliance was warranted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The broken door was a side bar issue.
>>>
>>>
>>> A side bar issue? Really. I guess that explains why you were so ****ed
>>> off about it that you had to come here to whine about it. I guess the
>>> little side bar issue didn't have enough drama for you,
>>
>>You love drama, don't you?
>
> the drip pans are available at Winco in the utensil aisle for $6/2
> pans (1 large, 1 small) That's what I do every couple years. $30 is
> about right for a new electric burner.
> Janet US

I don't know if those would fit. I ordered the GE ones. Two large and two
small. They were not cheap!

On 2020-02-21 5:27 a.m., Janet wrote:
> In article al.Net>,
> says...
>>
>> On 2020 Feb 21, , Ophelia wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>>> People will not be allowed to buy coal here from next February.
>>
>> So ?coals to Newcastle? will become meaningless. Are you sure that
>> Brexit won?t change existing edicts?
>
> Yes. Global warming is taken seriously here.
>
> Coal mining is almost defunct in UK,
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil...United_Kingdom
>
> United Kingdom
>
> "All coal-fired power stations will be closed by 2024 or earlier.[133
> This will not be a complete phase-out of fossil fuels because gas-fired
> power stations will continue to provide some firm power.
>
> Scotland's last coal power station closed in 2016 and Wales' last coal
> power station closed in December 2019.
>
> Coal power in England has also reduced substantially. In generating
> capability there has been the closure of the Hinton Heavies, and closure
> or conversion to biomass of the remaining coal plants

Which resulted in my B-I-L having to close his sawmill in Scotland
because ALL of the saw-logs were being bought up by the biomass power
stations!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't call that an advance!!!

On 2020-02-21 5:34 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> On 2/21/2020 4:48 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> Â*Â*Â*Â* People will not be allowed to buy coal here from next February.
>>
> I'd better stock up, then - that's my backup for heat during power
> failures.
But keep quiet about it! You'll go out to the coal shed only to find it
has all been stolen.

Julie Bove wrote:
> Our electricity is Hydro here all year.

My electric company uses coal in some places and nuclear too.
Mine comes from nuc power less that 100 miles away.
They are also about to start building wind turbines off the
coast of Virginia.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> Once, a hot pan with roast and veggies shot out of the
> oven at me and I had to catch it in mid air.

LOL! NO - it didn't do that, Julie. Too funny though! ;-D
I'll award you 10 points for creativity.

I will save this quote.

On 2020-02-21 7:46 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message

>>
>> When is a stove burner on it's last legs?Â* She said that one burner
>> was shot and that the door was just a side bar issue.Â* When I pointed
>> out how cheap and easy it is to replace a burner the story changed to
>> all four needing to be replaced.Â* This is part of Julie's MO.Â* she
>> offers some details but then completely changes the situation.
>
> As I said... I paid $29 plus postage some years ago to replace one
> burner. I'm sure they cost more now despite what you claim. Also the
> drip pans needed replaced and there were parts broken off under the top
> of the stove that lifts up for cleaning. The stove was 16 years old. It
> was a cheap stove. It was time for a funeral.


Then why were you whining so much about your special needs gardener
breaking the door?

"S Viemeister" wrote in message ...

On 2/21/2020 4:48 AM, Ophelia wrote:

> People will not be allowed to buy coal here from next February.
>
I'd better stock up, then - that's my backup for heat during power failures.

===

A thought. Does the UK gov have the power to do that here?? If it does
go for it.

"S Viemeister" wrote in message ...

On 2/21/2020 4:31 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.
>
> ===
>
> I just heard this morning that they are banning coal and raw wood for
> fires from February next year.
>
> That will be bad news for many people in this area who have wood and
> coal stoves!
>
> As time goes on I am sure more things will be banned. We use oil for
> heating and there are murmurs about that too
>
>

Having to rely on just electricity, would be disastrous - and expensive!
in my area.
Will they also be banning petrol powered backup generators?

====

I hope not!!! As I said, we use oil for heating. Only Sturgeon has
mentioned oi which really worried us. Most people here use that, either
that or coal or fresh wool. Search for it. I am only repeating what I
heard in the news this am. There might be more to it.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:

> > Julie Bove wrote:
> > > I don't do gravy. Just the meat juices.
> >
> > You're no good cook then. That's exactly why I've never
> > had a good pot roast. Simmering the meat and vegetables,
> > all the good flavor is in the water.
>
> Well, there's the first mistake. Using water. I use wine, stock,
> or more usually a combination of the two. And not a lot of it.

That sounds good, Cindy...a combo of beef stock and a nip
of Merlot, then turn it into gravy at the end.

Sheldon wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
>
> >Don Wiss wrote:
> >> The stove I bought is the top rated pro-style range in Consumer Reports.
> >> All gas stoves take longer to boil water than a regular electric stove.

> Not true. My propane fired gas stove brings six quarts of water to a
> rolling boil for pasta in 7 ninutes, faster than I can pee.

First of all, you didn't even quote what I said.
Second... it takes you more than 7 minutes to pee? ;o

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 10:31:36 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Gary wrote:
>
> > > Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > I don't do gravy. Just the meat juices.
> > >
> > > You're no good cook then. That's exactly why I've never
> > > had a good pot roast. Simmering the meat and vegetables,
> > > all the good flavor is in the water.
> >
> > Well, there's the first mistake. Using water. I use wine, stock,
> > or more usually a combination of the two. And not a lot of it.
>
> That sounds good, Cindy...a combo of beef stock and a nip
> of Merlot, then turn it into gravy at the end.

Since we don't drink wine, it's usually vermouth. Because vermouth
is fortified, it lasts a long time.

I turn it into gravy while it's cooking, by adding flour after the
mirepoix is sauteed and before the liquid goes in. By the time
the thing is done, the juices have magically transformed into
gravy.

I have to do a pretty good job of trimming visible fat from the meat
in order to use this technique.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2/21/2020 4:53 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:48:13 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> "Bruce" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 15:15:49 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 12:59:52 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 14:54:14 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/20/2020 4:12 PM, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why? Are you saying that outdoor gas grills will be outlawed? Are
>>>>>>> you willing to share the reason for outlawing gas for cooking etc.
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> is it just more of your idiotic BS?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has been in the news. They what to eliminate greenhouse gasses.
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> some towns in CA no new natural gas. No mention of grills that I saw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.ewg.org/energy/22951/cit...al-gas-hookups
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/natural-gas-ba...f1b67738e.html
>>>>>
>>>>> When we moved into our new home in Kailua back in the 1962, much ado was
>>>>> made about the kitchen and water heating and dryer being natural gas. It
>>>>> seemed so modern. That was the latest thing. 60 years later, there's
>>>>> nothing modern about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a fan of gas, it takes so long to heat up the pans and it made
>>>>> the kitchen an uncomfortable place to be in. My memories of how it felt
>>>>> to be in the kitchen are not good. My parents did save a large amount of
>>>>> money by using gas.
>>>>
>>>> I never had a problem being in a kitchen where gas was used. Maybe
>>>> you're highly sensitive?
>>>
>>> I live in a warm and humid tropical environment. Adding more water vapor in
>>> the air as well as heat is not ideal. If one lives in a cool/cold, dry
>>> environment gas cooking can be a comforting pleasure. OTOH, an induction
>>> range is faster and is so efficient that waste heat is minimal i.e.,
>>> there's no heat at all radiating into your face.
>>
>> It's subtropical here and very humid at the moment. But we've switched
>>from gas to electric. It was a hassle hoisting those gas containers
>> around and they would always be empty when I'd least want to go
>> outside to swap them over.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> That is what we have No gas in this area Fortunately I am not the
>> one to have to 'hoist' the containers)
>
> Sorry, sometimes my English is experimental.
>
> Apparently, this hoisting is a man's job, universally, also when it's
> raining hard
>
That would be a PITA. We had two cylinders and once a year a truck came
and filled them. Never touched anything. You don't have that available?

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 04:48:42 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 01:17:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>>>>>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
>>>>>> tolerate
>>>>>> someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> The stove was shot. One burner broken.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as a
>>>> light bulb.
>>>
>>>One small burner was $29 plus shippng many years ago. All four needed to
>>>be
>>>replaced as did the drip pans. I can't remember what a set of those cost
>>>but
>>>not cheap. A new appliance was warranted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The broken door was a side bar issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A side bar issue? Really. I guess that explains why you were so ****ed
>>>> off about it that you had to come here to whine about it. I guess the
>>>> little side bar issue didn't have enough drama for you,
>>>
>>>You love drama, don't you?
>>
>> the drip pans are available at Winco in the utensil aisle for $6/2
>> pans (1 large, 1 small) That's what I do every couple years. $30 is
>> about right for a new electric burner.
>> Janet US
>
>I don't know if those would fit. I ordered the GE ones. Two large and two
>small. They were not cheap!

yes, they have two different 'packages' (read before buying) one says
suitable for GE (your 4 would have cost $14) Keep in mind for when
you want to replace
Janet US

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 03:03:16 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2020 Feb 21, , Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> You don't believe in man made global warming. Does that also mean
>> you're in favour of burning as much coal as we want? Because it
>> doesn't have an effect anyway?
>
>Dude! (see how I did that?) Were running out of coal. Its a
>diminishing resource. We were supposed to be out of oil long before now. I
>dont believe Jack from environmental €œscientists€�. Its lucky for
>you that old men like me expire, so €œwoke€� people inherit the Earth. I
>blame Marco Polo for the mess that you suppose were in.

So you're in favour of burning as much coal as we want because it
doesn't do any harm anyway?

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 14:47:58 +0300, Opinicus
> wrote:

>On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:14:58 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>> Does Yorkshire happen to be what the Hairy Bikers speak?
>
>The Hairy Bikers have a Geordie accent.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geordie
>
>James Martin is a British chef who speaks Yorkie.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Martin_(chef)

I once watched a cooking show with him. His catch phrase seemed to be
"What's for pud?"

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 11:49:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Opinicus" wrote in message
ul.which.is.quite.invalid...
>
>On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:14:58 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>> Does Yorkshire happen to be what the Hairy Bikers speak?
>
>The Hairy Bikers have a Geordie accent.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geordie
>
>James Martin is a British chef who speaks Yorkie.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Martin_(chef)
>
>Bob
>
>==
>
> Any idea where James comes from?

Malton, North Riding of Yorkshire, England

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:41:14 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:11:55 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:48:13 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 15:15:49 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 12:59:52 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 14:54:14 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>> >> On 2/20/2020 4:12 PM, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> >> > On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to
>>>>> >> >> use
>>>>> >> >> it.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Why? Are you saying that outdoor gas grills will be outlawed?
>>>>> >> > Are
>>>>> >> > you willing to share the reason for outlawing gas for cooking etc.
>>>>> >> > or
>>>>> >> > is it just more of your idiotic BS?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> It has been in the news. They what to eliminate greenhouse gasses.
>>>>> >> In
>>>>> >> some towns in CA no new natural gas. No mention of grills that I
>>>>> >> saw.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> https://www.ewg.org/energy/22951/cit...al-gas-hookups
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> https://www.axios.com/natural-gas-ba...f1b67738e.html
>>>>> >
>>>>> >When we moved into our new home in Kailua back in the 1962, much ado
>>>>> >was
>>>>> >made about the kitchen and water heating and dryer being natural gas.
>>>>> >It
>>>>> >seemed so modern. That was the latest thing. 60 years later, there's
>>>>> >nothing modern about it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I'm not a fan of gas, it takes so long to heat up the pans and it made
>>>>> >the kitchen an uncomfortable place to be in. My memories of how it
>>>>> >felt
>>>>> >to be in the kitchen are not good. My parents did save a large amount
>>>>> >of
>>>>> >money by using gas.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never had a problem being in a kitchen where gas was used. Maybe
>>>>> you're highly sensitive?
>>>>
>>>>I live in a warm and humid tropical environment. Adding more water vapor
>>>>in
>>>>the air as well as heat is not ideal. If one lives in a cool/cold, dry
>>>>environment gas cooking can be a comforting pleasure. OTOH, an induction
>>>>range is faster and is so efficient that waste heat is minimal i.e.,
>>>>there's no heat at all radiating into your face.
>>>
>>>It's subtropical here and very humid at the moment. But we've switched
>>>from gas to electric. It was a hassle hoisting those gas containers
>>>around and they would always be empty when I'd least want to go
>>>outside to swap them over.
>>>
>>>===
>>>
>>> That is what we have No gas in this area Fortunately I am not the
>>>one to have to 'hoist' the containers)
>>
>>Sorry, sometimes my English is experimental.
>>
>>Apparently, this hoisting is a man's job, universally, also when it's
>>raining hard
>>
>>===
>>
>> 'Particularly' when it is raining hard ....
>
>Yes
>
>> Incidentally, there is nowt wrong with your English .. Now Yorkshire
>>might be a wee bit more difficult! (See how I dropped a bit of Scottish in
>>there)
>
>Does Yorkshire happen to be what the Hairy Bikers speak? Do you know
>them?
>
>===
>
> I don't know. I can't remember hearing them.
>
> Watch this:
>
> "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THsSizqiSKs"
>
> I have been away for too many years but I still understand it all. I
>do still have some but now If I speak to a Yorkshire person they accuse me
>of being posh LOLOL

Thanks, I'll play that a bit later, when I can use sound.

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:48:16 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/21/2020 4:53 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:48:13 -0000, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> That is what we have No gas in this area Fortunately I am not the
>>> one to have to 'hoist' the containers)
>>
>> Sorry, sometimes my English is experimental.
>>
>> Apparently, this hoisting is a man's job, universally, also when it's
>> raining hard
>>
>That would be a PITA. We had two cylinders and once a year a truck came
>and filled them. Never touched anything. You don't have that available?

I don't know it that was an option. We just went with what the
previous owner had. And after 2 years, we switched to electric. That
doesn't run out.

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 2:43:29 AM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 2020-02-20 4:17 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
> >>>>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
> >>>>> tolerate someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
> >>>>
> >>>> The stove was shot. One burner broken.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as a
> >>> light bulb.
> >>
> >> One small burner was $29 plus shippng many years ago. All four needed to
> >> be replaced as did the drip pans. I can't remember what a set of those
> >> cost but not cheap. A new appliance was warranted.
> >>>
> >
> >
> > C'mon... Get your story straight. First you say one burner was shot, then
> > you say that all four needed replacement.
>
> Yes, they did. All were still useable but the front left has already been
> replaced once and a piece had broken off underneath. The other three were
> not far behind. They grew worse each day. Not rusty but aged and blackened.
> Very fragile. I am referring to the metal parts and not the coil.

The receptacle blocks that the coils plug into are easily replaced. OTOH, my guess is that I wouldn't be able to fix a broken hinge on an oven.

http://applianceparts365.com/replace...ck-part-err117

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 11:49:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Opinicus" wrote in message
ul.which.is.quite.invalid...
>
>On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:14:58 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>> Does Yorkshire happen to be what the Hairy Bikers speak?
>
>The Hairy Bikers have a Geordie accent.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geordie
>
>James Martin is a British chef who speaks Yorkie.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Martin_(chef)
>
>Bob
>
>==
>
> Any idea where James comes from?

Malton, North Riding of Yorkshire, England

===

Oh! Nice place I am from the East Riding but we keep a caravan on a
farm in the North Riding)

On 2/21/2020 2:30 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 2:43:29 AM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2020-02-20 4:17 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>>>>>>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
>>>>>>> tolerate someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The stove was shot. One burner broken.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as a
>>>>> light bulb.
>>>>
>>>> One small burner was $29 plus shippng many years ago. All four needed to
>>>> be replaced as did the drip pans. I can't remember what a set of those
>>>> cost but not cheap. A new appliance was warranted.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> C'mon... Get your story straight. First you say one burner was shot, then
>>> you say that all four needed replacement.
>>
>> Yes, they did. All were still useable but the front left has already been
>> replaced once and a piece had broken off underneath. The other three were
>> not far behind. They grew worse each day. Not rusty but aged and blackened.
>> Very fragile. I am referring to the metal parts and not the coil.
>
> The receptacle blocks that the coils plug into are easily replaced. OTOH, my guess is that I wouldn't be able to fix a broken hinge on an oven.
>
> http://applianceparts365.com/replace...ck-part-err117
>

Why should we really care? Mom bought her a new stove. Oven door
broke, burner broke, getting old. Probably time to replace for little
more than all the repairs.

New stove, Julie is happy, mom is happy, life is good.

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 10:55:58 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/21/2020 2:30 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 2:43:29 AM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> On 2020-02-20 4:17 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
> >>>>>>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
> >>>>>>> tolerate someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The stove was shot. One burner broken.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as a
> >>>>> light bulb.
> >>>>
> >>>> One small burner was $29 plus shippng many years ago. All four needed to
> >>>> be replaced as did the drip pans. I can't remember what a set of those
> >>>> cost but not cheap. A new appliance was warranted.
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> C'mon... Get your story straight. First you say one burner was shot, then
> >>> you say that all four needed replacement.
> >>
> >> Yes, they did. All were still useable but the front left has already been
> >> replaced once and a piece had broken off underneath. The other three were
> >> not far behind. They grew worse each day. Not rusty but aged and blackened.
> >> Very fragile. I am referring to the metal parts and not the coil.
> >
> > The receptacle blocks that the coils plug into are easily replaced. OTOH, my guess is that I wouldn't be able to fix a broken hinge on an oven.
> >
> > http://applianceparts365.com/replace...ck-part-err117
> >
>
> Why should we really care? Mom bought her a new stove. Oven door
> broke, burner broke, getting old. Probably time to replace for little
> more than all the repairs.
>
> New stove, Julie is happy, mom is happy, life is good.

Yes, why should anybody care about anything? I always wonder why people on this newsgroup care about everything.

On 2/21/2020 4:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 10:55:58 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/21/2020 2:30 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 2:43:29 AM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 2020-02-20 4:17 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>>>>>>>>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
>>>>>>>>> tolerate someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The stove was shot. One burner broken.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as a
>>>>>>> light bulb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One small burner was $29 plus shippng many years ago. All four needed to
>>>>>> be replaced as did the drip pans. I can't remember what a set of those
>>>>>> cost but not cheap. A new appliance was warranted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> C'mon... Get your story straight. First you say one burner was shot, then
>>>>> you say that all four needed replacement.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they did. All were still useable but the front left has already been
>>>> replaced once and a piece had broken off underneath. The other three were
>>>> not far behind. They grew worse each day. Not rusty but aged and blackened.
>>>> Very fragile. I am referring to the metal parts and not the coil.
>>>
>>> The receptacle blocks that the coils plug into are easily replaced. OTOH, my guess is that I wouldn't be able to fix a broken hinge on an oven.
>>>
>>> http://applianceparts365.com/replace...ck-part-err117
>>>
>>
>> Why should we really care? Mom bought her a new stove. Oven door
>> broke, burner broke, getting old. Probably time to replace for little
>> more than all the repairs.
>>
>> New stove, Julie is happy, mom is happy, life is good.
>
> Yes, why should anybody care about anything? I always wonder why people on this newsgroup care about everything.
>
We should care about some things, just not everything.

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:41:14 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:11:55 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
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>>"Bruce" wrote in message
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>>On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:48:13 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
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>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
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>>>On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 15:15:49 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 12:59:52 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 14:54:14 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>> >> On 2/20/2020 4:12 PM, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> >> > On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to
>>>>> >> >> use
>>>>> >> >> it.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Why? Are you saying that outdoor gas grills will be outlawed?
>>>>> >> > Are
>>>>> >> > you willing to share the reason for outlawing gas for cooking etc.
>>>>> >> > or
>>>>> >> > is it just more of your idiotic BS?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> It has been in the news. They what to eliminate greenhouse gasses.
>>>>> >> In
>>>>> >> some towns in CA no new natural gas. No mention of grills that I
>>>>> >> saw.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> https://www.ewg.org/energy/22951/cit...al-gas-hookups
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> https://www.axios.com/natural-gas-ba...f1b67738e.html
>>>>> >
>>>>> >When we moved into our new home in Kailua back in the 1962, much ado
>>>>> >was
>>>>> >made about the kitchen and water heating and dryer being natural gas.
>>>>> >It
>>>>> >seemed so modern. That was the latest thing. 60 years later, there's
>>>>> >nothing modern about it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I'm not a fan of gas, it takes so long to heat up the pans and it made
>>>>> >the kitchen an uncomfortable place to be in. My memories of how it
>>>>> >felt
>>>>> >to be in the kitchen are not good. My parents did save a large amount
>>>>> >of
>>>>> >money by using gas.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never had a problem being in a kitchen where gas was used. Maybe
>>>>> you're highly sensitive?
>>>>
>>>>I live in a warm and humid tropical environment. Adding more water vapor
>>>>in
>>>>the air as well as heat is not ideal. If one lives in a cool/cold, dry
>>>>environment gas cooking can be a comforting pleasure. OTOH, an induction
>>>>range is faster and is so efficient that waste heat is minimal i.e.,
>>>>there's no heat at all radiating into your face.
>>>
>>>It's subtropical here and very humid at the moment. But we've switched
>>>from gas to electric. It was a hassle hoisting those gas containers
>>>around and they would always be empty when I'd least want to go
>>>outside to swap them over.
>>>
>>>===
>>>
>>> That is what we have No gas in this area Fortunately I am not the
>>>one to have to 'hoist' the containers)
>>
>>Sorry, sometimes my English is experimental.
>>
>>Apparently, this hoisting is a man's job, universally, also when it's
>>raining hard
>>
>>===
>>
>> 'Particularly' when it is raining hard ....
>
>Yes
>
>> Incidentally, there is nowt wrong with your English .. Now Yorkshire
>>might be a wee bit more difficult! (See how I dropped a bit of Scottish in
>>there)
>
>Does Yorkshire happen to be what the Hairy Bikers speak? Do you know
>them?
>
>===
>
> I don't know. I can't remember hearing them.
>
> Watch this:
>
> "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THsSizqiSKs"
>
> I have been away for too many years but I still understand it all. I
>do still have some but now If I speak to a Yorkshire person they accuse me
>of being posh LOLOL

LOL

She's quite easy to understand, but if she was a toothless old
farmer...

When my father would talk to his mother he'd speak the dialect of her
village that he left in the 50s. She'd tell him off for talking
old-fashioned.