My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:

https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW

It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.

So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.

There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and I
freaking hate those things.

Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted the
veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the meat a
bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a touch
more tender.

On 2020 Feb 18, , Julie Bove wrote
(in article >):

> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.

In however many years it takes to get comfortable with your new range,
itll break down and you will have to start all over again. Im limping
along with a 1987 electric JennAir whose electric light burned out twenty
years ago, and Im getting afraid to use the self-clean feature. Im
hoping, and its possible, that It will outlast me.
Barring catastrophe, Im on my last roof, forced air furnace and main
sewer line. You shouldnt even be thinking about this stuff. Sorry I
brought it up.

leo

"Leo" > wrote in message
vidual.Net...
> On 2020 Feb 18, , Julie Bove wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>> burners
>> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the
>> food
>> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
>> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>
> In however many years it takes to get comfortable with your new range,
> itll break down and you will have to start all over again. Im limping
> along with a 1987 electric JennAir whose electric light burned out twenty
> years ago, and Im getting afraid to use the self-clean feature. Im
> hoping, and its possible, that It will outlast me.
> Barring catastrophe, Im on my last roof, forced air furnace and main
> sewer line. You shouldnt even be thinking about this stuff. Sorry I
> brought it up.

Well, I think I have my last roof!

In article >, says...
>
> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
> my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>
> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
> being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
> overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>
> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>
> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
> why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and I
> freaking hate those things.
>
> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted the
> veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the meat a
> bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a touch
> more tender.

Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.

Janet UK

On 2/19/2020 2:08 AM, Leo wrote:
> On 2020 Feb 18, , Julie Bove wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
>> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
>> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
>> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>
> In however many years it takes to get comfortable with your new range,
> itll break down and you will have to start all over again. Im limping
> along with a 1987 electric JennAir whose electric light burned out twenty
> years ago, and Im getting afraid to use the self-clean feature. Im
> hoping, and its possible, that It will outlast me.
> Barring catastrophe, Im on my last roof, forced air furnace and main
> sewer line. You shouldnt even be thinking about this stuff. Sorry I
> brought it up.
>
> leo
>
>
That was my thoughts when we bought a brand new house. Everything in it
should outlast me.

On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was
> told they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>
> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>
> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest
> setting, the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems
> hotter too and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to
> bottom.
>
> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat
> top and I freaking hate those things.
>
> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the
> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could
> be a touch more tender.

The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops.
I'm glad we have gas here though.

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>
>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
>It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
>being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>
>So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
>have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
>continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer.

For a low simmer you you need to use the smallest burner, the same
with gas stoves. The level of simmer also depends on the pot size and
how much is in it... it's difficult to get a low simmer with smaller
pots especialy with little in it. I suggest buying larger pot roasts,
at least 3 pounds, and cook your veggies in the pot with the meat and
have enough liquid so that it comes halfway up on the meat... add your
veggies during the last hour of cooking or they will over cook. You
should easily get a slow simmer when using a 6-8 quart pot...
sometimes you may need to tilt the lid to allow some heat to escape,
you may periodically need to add a bit more liquid to compensate for
evaporation.

>Oven seems hotter too

How can that be, there must be a calibrated dial or an LED readout...
get yourself an oven thermometer that lives in the oven to check, they
cost about $5. If the oven temperature setting doesn't agree with the
thermometer (within like +/-5º) there is something wrong with that
stove so you need to contact GE... sometimes oven thermostats are
faulty or not placed correctly.

>and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>
>There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
>why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and I
>freaking hate those things.

Natural gas can be problematic depending on topography... difficult to
install and service in hilly areas. But there's propane so there goes
your excuses. And propane costs a lot less than electric, by about
half. An electric stove is a big time electric consumer.

>Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted the
>veggies in the oven with a little beef broth.

WHY?
Should have added the veggies to the same pot with the meat.

>Should have cooked the meat a
>bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a touch
>more tender.

Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW

Looks nice, Julie.
You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>
>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
snip

congratulations Julie. It's nice to have new stuff
Janet US

"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>
>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
snip

congratulations Julie. It's nice to have new stuff
Janet US

===

It certainly is))) Congratulants from me too, Julie)

ATM we are having a new kitchen and bathroom fitted. I have been
wanting this since we moved))

I am really excited so I know just how Julie feels)

On 2/19/2020 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
> Looks nice, Julie.
> You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.
>
Indeed! Don't want him to carelessly fall onto the glass and break the
oven window and door again.

Her mom bought it for her. I'd have charged the "gardener".

Jill

On 2020-02-19 12:48 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/19/2020 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>
>> Looks nice, Julie.
>> You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.
>>
> Indeed!Â* Don't want him to carelessly fall onto the glass and break the
> oven window and door again.
>
> Her mom bought it for her.Â* I'd have charged the "gardener".
>

If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not tolerate
someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:43:42 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-02-19 12:48 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/19/2020 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>
>>> Looks nice, Julie.
>>> You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.
>>>
>> Indeed!Â* Don't want him to carelessly fall onto the glass and break the
>> oven window and door again.
>>
>> Her mom bought it for her.Â* I'd have charged the "gardener".
>>
>
>If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not tolerate
>someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.

You tell 'em, Dave!

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-02-19 12:48 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/19/2020 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>
>>> Looks nice, Julie.
>>> You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.
>>>
>> Indeed!Â* Don't want him to carelessly fall onto the glass and
>> break the oven window and door again.
>>
>> Her mom bought it for her.Â* I'd have charged the "gardener".
>>
>
> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven
> I would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
> tolerate someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>
>

Dave, the gardener was a hell of a lot more than a short term guest.

IIRC, he originally lived in the backyard shed until he eventually
gained indoor status.

He dutifully pruned her begonias until he accidentally destroyed
the oven.

Mom has now fixed that, so on to the next episode.

Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:43:42 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2020-02-19 12:48 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 2/19/2020 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
>>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>>
>>>> Looks nice, Julie.
>>>> You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.
>>>>
>>> Indeed!Â* Don't want him to carelessly fall onto the glass and break the
>>> oven window and door again.
>>>
>>> Her mom bought it for her.Â* I'd have charged the "gardener".
>>>
>>
>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not tolerate
>> someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>
> You tell 'em, Dave!
>

Fruce, yoose spending too much time here ... Kuth's anus is getting
mighty dry.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:

> Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.

It does seem quaint. While renovating my kitchen I used an induction hob.
Then in the new kitchen I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.

The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
the oil splashes out.

With induction you put the meat in when cold, and instantly the pan gets up
to the desired temperature. And even higher than what a gas can do, as I
have to put the meat in before the oil starts smoking.

I have now switched all my pans to induction ready. Next is to sell off the
pro range. Not easy. Then run the needed 40 amp circuit and go induction.

Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 7:11:25 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
> my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>
> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
> being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
> overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>
> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>
> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
> why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and I
> freaking hate those things.
>
> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted the
> veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the meat a
> bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a touch
> more tender.

The stove we had 50 years ago had burners that would glow red hot. I loved that stove. It made me feel like I could do anything. I wish I could get one like that again.

OTOH, I probably couldn't handle the heat radiating off the coils on to my face and chest like I used to. My induction stove doesn't put out any heat from the side of the burners. It might be kind of a shock to people using electric or gas stoves.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 4:07:46 PM UTC-6, Don Wiss wrote:
>
> I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>
What is a 'pro style range'?
>
> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
> the oil splashes out.
>
Too much oil and poor cooking skill if you're splashing it out of the pan.
Looking at oil in a pan and it shimmers will tell you it's hot enough to
add meat without a temperature gun gizmo.
>
> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>
They will become 'popular' when the price drops.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
> > Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.
>
> It does seem quaint. While renovating my kitchen I used an induction hob.
> Then in the new kitchen I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>
> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
> the oil splashes out.
>
> With induction you put the meat in when cold, and instantly the pan gets up
> to the desired temperature. And even higher than what a gas can do, as I
> have to put the meat in before the oil starts smoking.
>
> I have now switched all my pans to induction ready. Next is to sell off the
> pro range. Not easy. Then run the needed 40 amp circuit and go induction.
>
> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>
> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

I've been waiting for induction ranges to get popular for the last decade. Americans are into non-stick aluminum pans. That won't work with induction ranges. I like non-stick pans too but they don't make very many non-stick induction ready pans. I recently bought a second carbon steel pan. It was at Macy's marked down to 20 bucks. It was an offer I couldn't refuse.

It looks like I found the perfect pan for me. It's a non-stick, carbon steel, induction compatible pan that I can freely use metal utensils on and there's no restriction on heat. What could be more perfect? These pans are popular in Europe - you would think that they would sell like hotcakes in the states but that hasn't panned out yet. Americans are stubborn in their ways..

On 2020-02-19 3:52 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Don Wiss wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.
>>
>> It does seem quaint. While renovating my kitchen I used an induction hob.
>> Then in the new kitchen I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
>> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>>
>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
>> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
>> the oil splashes out.
>>
>> With induction you put the meat in when cold, and instantly the pan gets up
>> to the desired temperature. And even higher than what a gas can do, as I
>> have to put the meat in before the oil starts smoking.
>>
>> I have now switched all my pans to induction ready. Next is to sell off the
>> pro range. Not easy. Then run the needed 40 amp circuit and go induction.
>>
>> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
>> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>>
>> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).
>
> I've been waiting for induction ranges to get popular for the last decade. Americans are into non-stick aluminum pans. That won't work with induction ranges. I like non-stick pans too but they don't make very many non-stick induction ready pans. I recently bought a second carbon steel pan. It was at Macy's marked down to 20 bucks. It was an offer I couldn't refuse.
>
> It looks like I found the perfect pan for me. It's a non-stick, carbon steel, induction compatible pan that I can freely use metal utensils on and there's no restriction on heat. What could be more perfect? These pans are popular in Europe - you would think that they would sell like hotcakes in the states but that hasn't panned out yet. Americans are stubborn in their ways.
>
However, not all stainless steel pans will work with induction. Newer
ones are marked as suitable but others will only work if a magnet will
stick to them.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:12:53 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 7:11:25 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
>> my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>
>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>
>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
>> being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>> overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>
>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
>> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
>> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
>> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>
>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
>> why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and I
>> freaking hate those things.
>>
>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted the
>> veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the meat a
>> bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a touch
>> more tender.
>
>The stove we had 50 years ago had burners that would glow red hot. I loved that stove.
>It made me feel like I could do anything.

The only thing that got your princess ukekeke dick hard.
The only real stoves have real flames. Real cooks have been cooking
with real flames since prehistoric times... nothing else has cooked
better since... and never will. I bet you think microwaved burgers
are the cat's meow. LOL

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:15:03 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 4:07:46 PM UTC-6, Don Wiss wrote:
>>
>> I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
>> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>>
>What is a 'pro style range'?
>>
>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
>> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
>> the oil splashes out.
>>
>Too much oil and poor cooking skill if you're splashing it out of the pan.
>Looking at oil in a pan and it shimmers will tell you it's hot enough to
>add meat without a temperature gun gizmo.
>>
>> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
>> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>>
>They will become 'popular' when the price drops.

Induction will NEVER become popular except for those who can't cook...
they said the same about microwave cookery.
Real cooking requires real fire (Period).

On 2/19/2020 2:07 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
>>
>
> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
> All-Clad fry pan.


easy to make induction sound great when you are comparing it to some
lousy stove such as that.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:52:13 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Don Wiss wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> > Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.
>>
>> It does seem quaint. While renovating my kitchen I used an induction hob.
>> Then in the new kitchen I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
>> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>>
>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
>> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
>> the oil splashes out.
>>
>> With induction you put the meat in when cold, and instantly the pan gets up
>> to the desired temperature. And even higher than what a gas can do, as I
>> have to put the meat in before the oil starts smoking.
>>
>> I have now switched all my pans to induction ready. Next is to sell off the
>> pro range. Not easy. Then run the needed 40 amp circuit and go induction.
>>
>> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
>> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>>
>> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).
>
>I've been waiting for induction ranges to get popular for the last decade. Americans are into non-stick aluminum pans. That won't work with induction ranges. I like non-stick pans too but they don't make very many non-stick induction ready pans. I recently bought a second carbon steel pan. It was at Macy's marked down to 20 bucks. It was an offer I couldn't refuse.
>
>It looks like I found the perfect pan for me. It's a non-stick, carbon steel, induction compatible pan that I can freely use metal utensils on and there's no restriction on heat. What could be more perfect? These pans are popular in Europe - you would think that they would sell like hotcakes in the states but that hasn't panned out yet. Americans are stubborn in their ways.

I've seen that slovenly shit you call cooking... you can't cook a
lick... everything stewed to death. Ptoi poi.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:07:40 -0500, Don Wiss >
wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
>> Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.
>
>It does seem quaint. While renovating my kitchen I used an induction hob.
>Then in the new kitchen I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
>with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>
>The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
>it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
>the oil splashes out.
>
>With induction you put the meat in when cold, and instantly the pan gets up
>to the desired temperature. And even higher than what a gas can do, as I
>have to put the meat in before the oil starts smoking.
>
>I have now switched all my pans to induction ready. Next is to sell off the
>pro range. Not easy. Then run the needed 40 amp circuit and go induction.
>
>Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
>Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>
>Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

make sure that the meat is dry before you put it in hot grease.
Janet US

Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:15:03 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 4:07:46 PM UTC-6, Don Wiss wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
>>> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>>>
>> What is a 'pro style range'?
>>>
>>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>>> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
>>> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
>>> the oil splashes out.
>>>
>> Too much oil and poor cooking skill if you're splashing it out of the pan.
>> Looking at oil in a pan and it shimmers will tell you it's hot enough to
>> add meat without a temperature gun gizmo.
>>>
>>> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
>>> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>>>
>> They will become 'popular' when the price drops.
>
> Induction will NEVER become popular except for those who can't cook...
> they said the same about microwave cookery.
> Real cooking requires real fire (Period).
>

Yoose right Popeye!

I remember back in the 50's when the porty rickans was trying to
cook donkey dicks, and the govmt had to fly in a bunch of mayans to
teach them idiots how to safely eat dicks.

Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:52:13 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Don Wiss wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.
>>>
>>> It does seem quaint. While renovating my kitchen I used an induction hob.
>>> Then in the new kitchen I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
>>> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
>>>
>>> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
>>> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
>>> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
>>> the oil splashes out.
>>>
>>> With induction you put the meat in when cold, and instantly the pan gets up
>>> to the desired temperature. And even higher than what a gas can do, as I
>>> have to put the meat in before the oil starts smoking.
>>>
>>> I have now switched all my pans to induction ready. Next is to sell off the
>>> pro range. Not easy. Then run the needed 40 amp circuit and go induction.
>>>
>>> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
>>> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
>>>
>>> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).
>>
>> I've been waiting for induction ranges to get popular for the last decade. Americans are into non-stick aluminum pans. That won't work with induction ranges. I like non-stick pans too but they don't make very many non-stick induction ready pans. I recently bought a second carbon steel pan. It was at Macy's marked down to 20 bucks. It was an offer I couldn't refuse.
>>
>> It looks like I found the perfect pan for me. It's a non-stick, carbon steel, induction compatible pan that I can freely use metal utensils on and there's no restriction on heat. What could be more perfect? These pans are popular in Europe - you would think that they would sell like hotcakes in the states but that hasn't panned out yet. Americans are stubborn in their ways.
>
> I've seen that slovenly shit you call cooking... you can't cook a
> lick... everything stewed to death. Ptoi poi.
>

Shit Popeye, everyone knows yoose the ONLY person that cooks!

And, we all knows that yoose ****ed every wimmen in new yawk,
including yoose aunt and yoose mother. Yoose ****ed 'em all Popeye.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:00:57 PM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> On 2020-02-19 3:52 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Don Wiss wrote:
> >> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:09:14 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.
> >>
> >> It does seem quaint. While renovating my kitchen I used an induction hob.
> >> Then in the new kitchen I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
> >> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
> >>
> >> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
> >> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
> >> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
> >> the oil splashes out.
> >>
> >> With induction you put the meat in when cold, and instantly the pan gets up
> >> to the desired temperature. And even higher than what a gas can do, as I
> >> have to put the meat in before the oil starts smoking.
> >>
> >> I have now switched all my pans to induction ready. Next is to sell off the
> >> pro range. Not easy. Then run the needed 40 amp circuit and go induction.
> >>
> >> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
> >> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
> >>
> >> Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).
> >
> > I've been waiting for induction ranges to get popular for the last decade. Americans are into non-stick aluminum pans. That won't work with induction ranges. I like non-stick pans too but they don't make very many non-stick induction ready pans. I recently bought a second carbon steel pan. It was at Macy's marked down to 20 bucks. It was an offer I couldn't refuse.
> >
> > It looks like I found the perfect pan for me. It's a non-stick, carbon steel, induction compatible pan that I can freely use metal utensils on and there's no restriction on heat. What could be more perfect? These pans are popular in Europe - you would think that they would sell like hotcakes in the states but that hasn't panned out yet. Americans are stubborn in their ways.
> >
> However, not all stainless steel pans will work with induction. Newer
> ones are marked as suitable but others will only work if a magnet will
> stick to them.

I have had that experience of putting a stainless steel pan on the stove and getting nowhere. We should be having ranges that work with all metals. I mean, is this not the year 2020?

https://shop.panasonic.com/support-only/KY-MK3500.html

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:06:10 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:12:53 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 7:11:25 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
> >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
> >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
> >> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed, replace
> >> my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
> >>
> >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
> >>
> >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
> >> being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
> >> overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
> >> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
> >>
> >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The burners
> >> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
> >> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
> >> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
> >>
> >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
> >> why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and I
> >> freaking hate those things.
> >>
> >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted the
> >> veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the meat a
> >> bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a touch
> >> more tender.
> >
> >The stove we had 50 years ago had burners that would glow red hot. I loved that stove.
> >It made me feel like I could do anything.
>
> The only thing that got your princess ukekeke dick hard.
> The only real stoves have real flames. Real cooks have been cooking
> with real flames since prehistoric times... nothing else has cooked
> better since... and never will. I bet you think microwaved burgers
> are the cat's meow. LOL

If yoose is saying yoose is a brain-damaged neanderthal, I won't disagree. Ugg!

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>> replace
>> my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>
>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>
>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>> from
>> being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>> overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>
>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>> burners
>> have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the
>> food
>> continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too and
>> different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>
>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
>> be
>> why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
>> and I
>> freaking hate those things.
>>
>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>> the
>> veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the meat
>> a
>> bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
>> touch
>> more tender.
>
> Electric coils on the hob? I haven't seen those since the 1980's.

Electric is standard here.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
news
> On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>
>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>
>> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
>> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
>> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>
>> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting,
>> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too
>> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>
>> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
>> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
>> and I freaking hate those things.
>>
>> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the
>> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could
>> be a touch more tender.
>
> The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
> glad we have gas here though.

They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>replace
>>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>
>>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>
>>It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners from
>>being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners from
>>overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
>>warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
>>
>>So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
>>burners
>>have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting, the food
>>continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer.
>
> For a low simmer you you need to use the smallest burner, the same
> with gas stoves. The level of simmer also depends on the pot size and
> how much is in it... it's difficult to get a low simmer with smaller
> pots especialy with little in it. I suggest buying larger pot roasts,
> at least 3 pounds, and cook your veggies in the pot with the meat and
> have enough liquid so that it comes halfway up on the meat... add your
> veggies during the last hour of cooking or they will over cook. You
> should easily get a slow simmer when using a 6-8 quart pot...
> sometimes you may need to tilt the lid to allow some heat to escape,
> you may periodically need to add a bit more liquid to compensate for
> evaporation.
>
>>Oven seems hotter too
>
> How can that be, there must be a calibrated dial or an LED readout...
> get yourself an oven thermometer that lives in the oven to check, they
> cost about $5. If the oven temperature setting doesn't agree with the
> thermometer (within like +/-5º) there is something wrong with that
> stove so you need to contact GE... sometimes oven thermostats are
> faulty or not placed correctly.
>
>>and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
>>
>>There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could be
>>why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top and
>>I
>>freaking hate those things.
>
> Natural gas can be problematic depending on topography... difficult to
> install and service in hilly areas. But there's propane so there goes
> your excuses. And propane costs a lot less than electric, by about
> half. An electric stove is a big time electric consumer.
>
>>Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
>>the
>>veggies in the oven with a little beef broth.
>
> WHY?
> Should have added the veggies to the same pot with the meat.
>
>>Should have cooked the meat a
>>bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could be a
>>touch
>>more tender.
>
> Pot roast is not good planning when in a rush.

I didn't have a pot big enough for the veggies. We eat far more veggies than
meat.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>
> Looks nice, Julie.
> You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.

He is being very careful with it.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:10:49 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:15:03 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 4:07:46 PM UTC-6, Don Wiss wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a pro style range. I hate it. I got spoiled
> >> with the induction hob, but didn't realize it until I had the gas.
> >>
> >What is a 'pro style range'?
> >>
> >> The pro range takes about three minutes to heat up the heavy grates and an
> >> All-Clad fry pan. I have to stand there with my temperature gun to see when
> >> it gets hot enough to put the meat in. Then when putting in the meat, often
> >> the oil splashes out.
> >>
> >Too much oil and poor cooking skill if you're splashing it out of the pan.
> >Looking at oil in a pan and it shimmers will tell you it's hot enough to
> >add meat without a temperature gun gizmo.
> >>
> >> Note to Americans: The Europeans have been into induction for a while.
> >> Eventually they will become popular here in the US also.
> >>
> >They will become 'popular' when the price drops.
>
> Induction will NEVER become popular except for those who can't cook...
> they said the same about microwave cookery.
> Real cooking requires real fire (Period).

Let's face it, yoose needs to see the fire for your brain to understand that yoose is cooking. Induction is so mysterious to yoose that it must be magic/witchcraft/voodoo. That sooooo scary, ain't it? OTOH, you're right induction is magic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZilP4yfk-zI

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2020-02-19 12:48 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/19/2020 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's.
>>>> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>>
>>> Looks nice, Julie.
>>> You should declare it "OFF LIMITS" to your gardener friend.
>>>
>> Indeed! Don't want him to carelessly fall onto the glass and break the
>> oven window and door again.
>>
>> Her mom bought it for her. I'd have charged the "gardener".
>>
>
> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I would
> expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not tolerate someone
> staying in my house and doing damage like that.

The stove was shot. One burner broken. The broken door was a side bar issue.

"U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>replace
>>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>
>>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>
> snip
>
> congratulations Julie. It's nice to have new stuff
> Janet US

Thanks! Need to get baking.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:38:26 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> news
> > On 2/19/2020 12:11 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
> >> electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
> >> other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
> >> they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
> >> replace my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
> >>
> >> https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
> >>
> >> It has buttons in the centers of the burners that prevent the burners
> >> from being turned on with no pan there. They also prevent the burners
> >> from overheating. My mom didn't pay that price but after adding a 3 year
> >> warranty, delivery and a cord, it added to about that much.
> >>
> >> So far so good but it seems to get a lot hotter than my old one. The
> >> burners have more settings than my old on and even on the lowest setting,
> >> the food continues to boil. Can't get a low simmer. Oven seems hotter too
> >> and different proportions. Wider but not as high from top to bottom.
> >>
> >> There's a push to get away from the use of natural gas here. That could
> >> be why Lowes had so few gas ones on display. Mostly they had the flat top
> >> and I freaking hate those things.
> >>
> >> Made pot roast for dinner. Did the meat on top of the stove and roasted
> >> the veggies in the oven with a little beef broth. Should have cooked the
> >> meat a bit longer but we were hungry so we ate it as is. Good but could
> >> be a touch more tender.
> >
> > The button idea is a good one. I agree, I don't like the flat tops. I'm
> > glad we have gas here though.
>
> They're trying to outlaw gas here. Soon nobody will be able to use it.

That's weird. I guess it's because it's a fossil fuel. Interesting. The US has an abundance of natural gas and now we can't use it. Are they trying to get rid of propane gas usage too?

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:11:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>My mom bought me a new one from Lowe's. The choices were few as I needed
>>electric and didn't want a flat top. I could not get bisque to match my
>>other appliances. Although it appeared to be available online, I was told
>>they could not order it and I should go with white and when needed,
>>replace
>>my other appliances in white as well. This is the one I got:
>>
>>https://products.geappliances.com/ap...pecs/JB258DMWW
>>
> snip
>
> congratulations Julie. It's nice to have new stuff
> Janet US
>
> ===
>
> It certainly is))) Congratulants from me too, Julie)
>
> ATM we are having a new kitchen and bathroom fitted. I have been
> wanting this since we moved))
>
> I am really excited so I know just how Julie feels)

Very nice!

On 2020-02-19 8:45 p.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>

>>
>> If a long term guest/resident managed to break the door on my oven I
>> would expect him to pay for repair or replacement. I would not
>> tolerate someone staying in my house and doing damage like that.
>
> The stove was shot. One burner broken.


A replacement burner is $20-30 and about as complicated to replace as a
light bulb.




>The broken door was a side bar
> issue.


A side bar issue? Really. I guess that explains why you were so ****ed
off about it that you had to come here to whine about it. I guess the
little side bar issue didn't have enough drama for you,

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, dsi1 > wrote:

>I've been waiting for induction ranges to get popular for the last decade. Americans are into non-stick aluminum pans. That won't work with induction ranges. I like non-stick pans too but they don't make very many non-stick induction ready pans. I recently bought a second carbon steel pan. It was at Macy's marked down to 20 bucks. It was an offer I couldn't refuse.

They exist. I was using a couple when I was using the induction hob. I no
longer use non-stcik pans.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).