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Thursday, 02/20/2020. Lotsa two's and zero's. I figured this post
would be as interesting and evocative as if I declared my candicacy for
Mayor of RFC. ;)

Seriously, I'd like to talk about crawfish tailmeat. Might require a
separate thread to get anyone to notice I'm talking about cooking. Heh.

I have a 1 lb. pkg. of crawfish tailmeat in the freezer. Mardi Gras is
just around the corner and while I don't care about that, seems like a
good time to use the crawfish.

Crawfish etoufee is probably the most commonly known dish but I don't
want anything involving rice. Don't want to make gumbo, either.

I've run across a recipe for crawfish mac & cheese that looks
interesting. (I've heard of lobster mac, so why not?) Also crawfish
fettucini. Crawfish pie... hmmm, you know me and crusts but I could buy
one.

Anyone have any other ideas?

Jill

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On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 19:19:12 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>Thursday, 02/20/2020. Lotsa two's and zero's. I figured this post
>would be as interesting and evocative as if I declared my candicacy for
>Mayor of RFC. ;)
>
>Seriously, I'd like to talk about crawfish tailmeat. Might require a
>separate thread to get anyone to notice I'm talking about cooking. Heh.
>
>I have a 1 lb. pkg. of crawfish tailmeat in the freezer. Mardi Gras is
>just around the corner and while I don't care about that, seems like a
>good time to use the crawfish.
>
>Crawfish etoufee is probably the most commonly known dish but I don't
>want anything involving rice. Don't want to make gumbo, either.
>
>I've run across a recipe for crawfish mac & cheese that looks
>interesting. (I've heard of lobster mac, so why not?) Also crawfish
>fettucini. Crawfish pie... hmmm, you know me and crusts but I could buy
>one.
>
>Anyone have any other ideas?
>
>Jill

there are many 'holidays' during the winter months and I figure they
are a reason to break up some dreary months with some specific meals.
Janet US

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On 2/20/2020 7:25 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 19:19:12 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> Thursday, 02/20/2020. Lotsa two's and zero's. I figured this post
>> would be as interesting and evocative as if I declared my candicacy for
>> Mayor of RFC. ;)
>>
>> Seriously, I'd like to talk about crawfish tailmeat. Might require a
>> separate thread to get anyone to notice I'm talking about cooking. Heh.
>>
>> I have a 1 lb. pkg. of crawfish tailmeat in the freezer. Mardi Gras is
>> just around the corner and while I don't care about that, seems like a
>> good time to use the crawfish.
>>
>> Crawfish etoufee is probably the most commonly known dish but I don't
>> want anything involving rice. Don't want to make gumbo, either.
>>
>> I've run across a recipe for crawfish mac & cheese that looks
>> interesting. (I've heard of lobster mac, so why not?) Also crawfish
>> fettucini. Crawfish pie... hmmm, you know me and crusts but I could buy
>> one.
>>
>> Anyone have any other ideas?
>>
>> Jill
>
> there are many 'holidays' during the winter months and I figure they
> are a reason to break up some dreary months with some specific meals.
> Janet US
>
I wasn't really thinking of it as a holiday. I sure never got off work
for Mardi Gras. LOL Got any ideas for using crawfish tailmeat? There's
no rush since it's frozen and likely to remain that way until I feel
inspired. It doesn't even have to be next week. I'm just lucky I can
find it.

Jill
Jill

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On 2/20/2020 7:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/20/2020 7:25 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 19:19:12 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thursday, 02/20/2020.Â* Lotsa two's and zero's.Â* I figured this post
>>> would be as interesting and evocative as if I declared my candicacy for
>>> Mayor of RFC. ;)
>>>
>>> Seriously, I'd like to talk about crawfish tailmeat.Â* Might require a
>>> separate thread to get anyone to notice I'm talking about cooking.Â* Heh.
>>>
>>> I have a 1 lb. pkg. of crawfish tailmeat in the freezer.Â* Mardi Gras is
>>> just around the corner and while I don't care about that, seems like a
>>> good time to use the crawfish.
>>>
>>> Crawfish etoufee is probably the most commonly known dish but I don't
>>> want anything involving rice.Â* Don't want to make gumbo, either.
>>>
>>> I've run across a recipe for crawfish mac & cheese that looks
>>> interesting.Â* (I've heard of lobster mac, so why not?)Â* Also crawfish
>>> fettucini.Â* Crawfish pie... hmmm, you know me and crusts but I could buy
>>> one.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any other ideas?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> there are many 'holidays' during the winter months and I figure they
>> are a reason to breakÂ* up some dreary months with some specific meals.
>> Janet US
>>
> I wasn't really thinking of it as a holiday.Â* I sure never got off work
> for Mardi Gras. LOLÂ* Got any ideas for using crawfish tailmeat?Â* There's
> no rush since it's frozen and likely to remain that way until I feel
> inspired.Â* It doesn't even have to be next week.Â* I'm just lucky I can
> find it.
>
> Jill
> Jill

Would it work in a crab cake type recipe.

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On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 20:51:08 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/20/2020 7:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/20/2020 7:25 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 19:19:12 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thursday, 02/20/2020.Â* Lotsa two's and zero's.Â* I figured this post
>>>> would be as interesting and evocative as if I declared my candicacy for
>>>> Mayor of RFC. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, I'd like to talk about crawfish tailmeat.Â* Might require a
>>>> separate thread to get anyone to notice I'm talking about cooking.Â* Heh.
>>>>
>>>> I have a 1 lb. pkg. of crawfish tailmeat in the freezer.Â* Mardi Gras is
>>>> just around the corner and while I don't care about that, seems like a
>>>> good time to use the crawfish.
>>>>
>>>> Crawfish etoufee is probably the most commonly known dish but I don't
>>>> want anything involving rice.Â* Don't want to make gumbo, either.
>>>>
>>>> I've run across a recipe for crawfish mac & cheese that looks
>>>> interesting.Â* (I've heard of lobster mac, so why not?)Â* Also crawfish
>>>> fettucini.Â* Crawfish pie... hmmm, you know me and crusts but I could buy
>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have any other ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> there are many 'holidays' during the winter months and I figure they
>>> are a reason to breakÂ* up some dreary months with some specific meals.
>>> Janet US
>>>
>> I wasn't really thinking of it as a holiday.Â* I sure never got off work
>> for Mardi Gras. LOLÂ* Got any ideas for using crawfish tailmeat?Â* There's
>> no rush since it's frozen and likely to remain that way until I feel
>> inspired.Â* It doesn't even have to be next week.Â* I'm just lucky I can
>> find it.
>>
>> Jill
>> Jill
>
>Would it work in a crab cake type recipe.

Ed asking a question? No joke? No giggling McBiddy? Someone's
frogging!

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On 2020 Feb 20, , jmcquown wrote
(in article >):

> I've run across a recipe for crawfish mac& cheese that looks
> interesting. (I've heard of lobster mac, so why not?) Also crawfish
> fettucini. Crawfish pie... hmmm, you know me and crusts but I could buy
> one.
>
> Anyone have any other ideas?

Crawfish in cocktail sauce? Serve with your favorite crackers and cream
cheese? I find both wild and commercial crawfish bland. The cocktail sauce
would zing them up a bit. Of course, Ive never done it. Its just a
thought.

leo

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On 2/20/2020 8:51 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/20/2020 7:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/20/2020 7:25 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 19:19:12 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thursday, 02/20/2020.Â* Lotsa two's and zero's.Â* I figured this post
>>>> would be as interesting and evocative as if I declared my candicacy for
>>>> Mayor of RFC. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, I'd like to talk about crawfish tailmeat.Â* Might require a
>>>> separate thread to get anyone to notice I'm talking about cooking.
>>>> Heh.
>>>>
>>>> I have a 1 lb. pkg. of crawfish tailmeat in the freezer.Â* Mardi Gras is
>>>> just around the corner and while I don't care about that, seems like a
>>>> good time to use the crawfish.
>>>>
>>>> Crawfish etoufee is probably the most commonly known dish but I don't
>>>> want anything involving rice.Â* Don't want to make gumbo, either.
>>>>
>>>> I've run across a recipe for crawfish mac & cheese that looks
>>>> interesting.Â* (I've heard of lobster mac, so why not?)Â* Also crawfish
>>>> fettucini.Â* Crawfish pie... hmmm, you know me and crusts but I could
>>>> buy
>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have any other ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> there are many 'holidays' during the winter months and I figure they
>>> are a reason to breakÂ* up some dreary months with some specific meals.
>>> Janet US
>>>
>> I wasn't really thinking of it as a holiday.Â* I sure never got off
>> work for Mardi Gras. LOLÂ* Got any ideas for using crawfish tailmeat?
>> There's no rush since it's frozen and likely to remain that way until
>> I feel inspired.Â* It doesn't even have to be next week.Â* I'm just
>> lucky I can find it.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Would it work in a crab cake type recipe.

I don't know. It's a thought, thanks!

Jill

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On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 9:30:54 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/20/2020 8:51 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 2/20/2020 7:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >> On 2/20/2020 7:25 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 19:19:12 -0500, jmcquown >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thursday, 02/20/2020.Â* Lotsa two's and zero's.Â* I figured this post
> >>>> would be as interesting and evocative as if I declared my candicacy for
> >>>> Mayor of RFC. ;)
> >>>>
> >>>> Seriously, I'd like to talk about crawfish tailmeat.Â* Might require a
> >>>> separate thread to get anyone to notice I'm talking about cooking.
> >>>> Heh.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a 1 lb. pkg. of crawfish tailmeat in the freezer.Â* Mardi Gras is
> >>>> just around the corner and while I don't care about that, seems like a
> >>>> good time to use the crawfish.
> >>>>
> >>>> Crawfish etoufee is probably the most commonly known dish but I don't
> >>>> want anything involving rice.Â* Don't want to make gumbo, either..
> >>>>
> >>>> I've run across a recipe for crawfish mac & cheese that looks
> >>>> interesting.Â* (I've heard of lobster mac, so why not?)Â* Also crawfish
> >>>> fettucini.Â* Crawfish pie... hmmm, you know me and crusts but I could
> >>>> buy
> >>>> one.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone have any other ideas?
> >>>>
> >>>> Jill
> >>>
> >>> there are many 'holidays' during the winter months and I figure they
> >>> are a reason to breakÂ* up some dreary months with some specific meals.
> >>> Janet US
> >>>
> >> I wasn't really thinking of it as a holiday.Â* I sure never got off
> >> work for Mardi Gras. LOLÂ* Got any ideas for using crawfish tailmeat?
> >> There's no rush since it's frozen and likely to remain that way until
> >> I feel inspired.Â* It doesn't even have to be next week.Â* I'm just
> >> lucky I can find it.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > Would it work in a crab cake type recipe.
>
> I don't know. It's a thought, thanks!

I remember hearing of the phrase "stuffed flounder" - 1 lb. crab meat (or you can use chopped shrimp or crawfish)

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On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 9:50:16 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 9:30:54 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 2/20/2020 8:51 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > On 2/20/2020 7:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > >> On 2/20/2020 7:25 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > >>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 19:19:12 -0500, jmcquown >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Thursday, 02/20/2020.Â* Lotsa two's and zero's.Â* I figured this post
> > >>>> would be as interesting and evocative as if I declared my candicacy for
> > >>>> Mayor of RFC. ;)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Seriously, I'd like to talk about crawfish tailmeat.Â* Might require a
> > >>>> separate thread to get anyone to notice I'm talking about cooking.
> > >>>> Heh.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I have a 1 lb. pkg. of crawfish tailmeat in the freezer.Â* Mardi Gras is
> > >>>> just around the corner and while I don't care about that, seems like a
> > >>>> good time to use the crawfish.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Crawfish etoufee is probably the most commonly known dish but I don't
> > >>>> want anything involving rice.Â* Don't want to make gumbo, either.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I've run across a recipe for crawfish mac & cheese that looks
> > >>>> interesting.Â* (I've heard of lobster mac, so why not?)Â* Also crawfish
> > >>>> fettucini.Â* Crawfish pie... hmmm, you know me and crusts but I could
> > >>>> buy
> > >>>> one.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Anyone have any other ideas?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Jill
> > >>>
> > >>> there are many 'holidays' during the winter months and I figure they
> > >>> are a reason to breakÂ* up some dreary months with some specific meals.
> > >>> Janet US
> > >>>
> > >> I wasn't really thinking of it as a holiday.Â* I sure never got off
> > >> work for Mardi Gras. LOLÂ* Got any ideas for using crawfish tailmeat?
> > >> There's no rush since it's frozen and likely to remain that way until
> > >> I feel inspired.Â* It doesn't even have to be next week.Â* I'm just
> > >> lucky I can find it.
> > >>
> > >> Jill
> > >
> > > Would it work in a crab cake type recipe.
> >
> > I don't know. It's a thought, thanks!
>
> I remember hearing of the phrase "stuffed flounder" - 1 lb. crab meat (or you can use chopped shrimp or crawfish)

Plie farcie in French.
(another white wine meal)

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jmcquown wrote:
> I have a 1 lb. pkg. of crawfish tailmeat in the freezer. Mardi Gras is
> just around the corner and while I don't care about that, seems like a
> good time to use the crawfish.
>
> Anyone have any other ideas?

If this is your first time, I would recommend just doing a boil
with an equal mix of water and vinegar and add a bit of seasoning
to the liquid. Either Old Bay or some Cajon seasoning mix.

Very little liquid/spice mix too. Just about 1/2 inch in a small
pot
and the meat should tower above that.
Bring that to a boil then add the mudbugs and a lid on top.
After about a minute, stir it all then cover again.
Do that again and by then they should all be boiled/steamed
nicely.

One warning. I bought a frozen bag of these once. Turned out they
were from China, not the US South. That bag was so freezer-burned
that the meat had totally dried up and I got nothing out of it.

You might want to microwave just one to make sure it's ok
before planning a meal.

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On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 9:52:59 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 9:50:16 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> > On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 9:30:54 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> > > On 2/20/2020 8:51 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > > On 2/20/2020 7:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > >> On 2/20/2020 7:25 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > > >>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 19:19:12 -0500, jmcquown >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Thursday, 02/20/2020.Â* Lotsa two's and zero's.Â* I figured this post
> > > >>>> would be as interesting and evocative as if I declared my candicacy for
> > > >>>> Mayor of RFC. ;)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Seriously, I'd like to talk about crawfish tailmeat.Â* Might require a
> > > >>>> separate thread to get anyone to notice I'm talking about cooking.
> > > >>>> Heh.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I have a 1 lb. pkg. of crawfish tailmeat in the freezer.Â* Mardi Gras is
> > > >>>> just around the corner and while I don't care about that, seems like a
> > > >>>> good time to use the crawfish.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Crawfish etoufee is probably the most commonly known dish but I don't
> > > >>>> want anything involving rice.Â* Don't want to make gumbo, either.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I've run across a recipe for crawfish mac & cheese that looks
> > > >>>> interesting.Â* (I've heard of lobster mac, so why not?)Â* Also crawfish
> > > >>>> fettucini.Â* Crawfish pie... hmmm, you know me and crusts but I could
> > > >>>> buy
> > > >>>> one.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Anyone have any other ideas?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Jill
> > > >>>
> > > >>> there are many 'holidays' during the winter months and I figure they
> > > >>> are a reason to breakÂ* up some dreary months with some specific meals.
> > > >>> Janet US
> > > >>>
> > > >> I wasn't really thinking of it as a holiday.Â* I sure never got off
> > > >> work for Mardi Gras. LOLÂ* Got any ideas for using crawfish tailmeat?
> > > >> There's no rush since it's frozen and likely to remain that way until
> > > >> I feel inspired.Â* It doesn't even have to be next week.Â* I'm just
> > > >> lucky I can find it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Jill
> > > >
> > > > Would it work in a crab cake type recipe.
> > >
> > > I don't know. It's a thought, thanks!
> >
> > I remember hearing of the phrase "stuffed flounder" - 1 lb. crab meat (or you can use chopped shrimp or crawfish)
>
> Plie farcie in French.
> (another white wine meal)

Or if you're going to cook it for your cat's birthday, don't season it. Cats and dogs hate butter, salt and especially pepper.

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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> jmcquown wrote:
> >>> I have a 1 lb. pkg. of crawfish tailmeat in the freezer.

> Would it work in a crab cake type recipe.

If you're not going to use crab, try pork or chicken.
A crab recipe is made for crab.

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On 2/21/2020 10:05 AM, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> I have a 1 lb. pkg. of crawfish tailmeat in the freezer.
>
>> Would it work in a crab cake type recipe.
>
> If you're not going to use crab, try pork or chicken.
> A crab recipe is made for crab.
>
He said crab cake "type" recipe. I recently saw Jamie Oliver make fish
cakes out of finely chopped salmon fillets. No reason the same thing
couldn't be adapted using meat from crawfish.

Jill

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On 2/21/2020 9:57 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> I have a 1 lb. pkg. of crawfish tailmeat in the freezer. Mardi Gras is
>> just around the corner and while I don't care about that, seems like a
>> good time to use the crawfish.
>>
>> Anyone have any other ideas?
>
> If this is your first time, I would recommend just doing a boil
> with an equal mix of water and vinegar and add a bit of seasoning
> to the liquid. Either Old Bay or some Cajon seasoning mix.
>
Thanks but that's not what I'm looking for. If they were whole mudbugs
in the shell, sure. :)

> One warning. I bought a frozen bag of these once. Turned out they
> were from China, not the US South. That bag was so freezer-burned
> that the meat had totally dried up and I got nothing out of it.
>
I'm sorry to ear that. What I bought is from Riceland Crawfish in
Eunice, Louisiana.

Jill

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jmcquown wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > One warning. I bought a frozen bag of these once. Turned out they
> > were from China, not the US South. That bag was so freezer-burned
> > that the meat had totally dried up and I got nothing out of it.
> >
> I'm sorry to ear that. What I bought is from Riceland Crawfish in
> Eunice, Louisiana.

"sorry to ear that?" heh heh
You got the "good" stuff. If I ever buy them again (not likely)
I'll definitely check to see where they came from.

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On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:54:43 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>> > One warning. I bought a frozen bag of these once. Turned out they
>> > were from China, not the US South. That bag was so freezer-burned
>> > that the meat had totally dried up and I got nothing out of it.
>> >
>> I'm sorry to ear that. What I bought is from Riceland Crawfish in
>> Eunice, Louisiana.
>
>"sorry to ear that?" heh heh
>You got the "good" stuff. If I ever buy them again (not likely)
>I'll definitely check to see where they came from.

I wouldn't eat crawfish unless they were live.... same with crab,
lobster, clams, any shellfish unless freshly brought in shrimp, and
often kept on ice most will still be alive.

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On 2/22/2020 12:40 PM, Sheldon wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:54:43 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> Gary wrote:
>>>> One warning. I bought a frozen bag of these once. Turned out they
>>>> were from China, not the US South. That bag was so freezer-burned
>>>> that the meat had totally dried up and I got nothing out of it.
>>>>
>>> I'm sorry to ear that. What I bought is from Riceland Crawfish in
>>> Eunice, Louisiana.
>>
>> "sorry to ear that?" heh heh
>> You got the "good" stuff. If I ever buy them again (not likely)
>> I'll definitely check to see where they came from.
>
> I wouldn't eat crawfish unless they were live.... same with crab,
> lobster, clams, any shellfish unless freshly brought in shrimp, and
> often kept on ice most will still be alive.
>
Sheldon, you don't even like shellfish. (Clams, oysters, maybe.) That
aside, I can't get fresh crawfish because I don't live near the Gulf.
Wouldn't want to eat it anyway since the nasty oil spill a few years
back. What I bought was farmed, cooked, shelled and flash-frozen in a
cyrovac package. Farmed is sustainable.

Jill

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On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 14:43:46 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/22/2020 12:40 PM, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:54:43 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>> One warning. I bought a frozen bag of these once. Turned out they
>>>>> were from China, not the US South. That bag was so freezer-burned
>>>>> that the meat had totally dried up and I got nothing out of it.
>>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry to ear that. What I bought is from Riceland Crawfish in
>>>> Eunice, Louisiana.
>>>
>>> "sorry to ear that?" heh heh
>>> You got the "good" stuff. If I ever buy them again (not likely)
>>> I'll definitely check to see where they came from.
>>
>> I wouldn't eat crawfish unless they were live.... same with crab,
>> lobster, clams, any shellfish unless freshly brought in shrimp, and
>> often kept on ice most will still be alive.
>>
>Sheldon, you don't even like shellfish. (Clams, oysters, maybe.) That
>aside, I can't get fresh crawfish because I don't live near the Gulf.
>Wouldn't want to eat it anyway since the nasty oil spill a few years
>back. What I bought was farmed, cooked, shelled and flash-frozen in a
>cyrovac package. Farmed is sustainable.
>
>Jill

I happen to like clams on the half shell, oysters too. I'm not all
that familiar with crawfish, they're not common in the north. I can
easily slurp three dozen little necks with horseradish sauce and
oysterettes. I prefer oysters stewed, commom in the north in a
Thanksgiving turkey stuffing... actually quite tasty.

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On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:

> cyrovac package.

Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
"Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!

> Farmed is sustainable.

No, it's not!

Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp
in each pond, the shrimp must be fed tons of antibiotics to keep them
alive in their own "wastes". Which, when they get around to emptying
them (the ponds), so much waste is released, it's killing off the adjacent
mangrove swamps, which are a natural breeding place for young shrimp.

I don't think red or brown crawdads are much different, allthough I
have seen them harvested from Southern rice fields. 8|

nb

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On 23 Feb 2020 23:01:40 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> cyrovac package.
>
>Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
>fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
>"Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!
>
>> Farmed is sustainable.
>
>No, it's not!
>
>Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp
>in each pond, the shrimp must be fed tons of antibiotics to keep them
>alive in their own "wastes".

Sounds like how they keep factory chickens -very popular in RFC when
they're cheap - in western countries.

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On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 1:05:44 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On 23 Feb 2020 23:01:40 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:
> >
> >> cyrovac package.
> >
> >Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
> >fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
> >"Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!
> >
> >> Farmed is sustainable.
> >
> >No, it's not!
> >
> >Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp
> >in each pond, the shrimp must be fed tons of antibiotics to keep them
> >alive in their own "wastes".
>
> Sounds like how they keep factory chickens -very popular in RFC when
> they're cheap - in western countries.

Those poor chickens! They're dead meat - literally!

One day, it'll all seem like a bad dream.

https://slate.com/technology/2012/07...k-you-out.html

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On 2/23/2020 6:01 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> cyrovac package.
>
> Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
> fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
> "Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!
>
Uh... nb... I'm not talking about what you can buy in Colorado.

>> Farmed is sustainable.
>
> No, it's not!
>
It certainly is.

> Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp

I'm not talking about SHRIMP. Between you and Gary, all this selective
trimming is ridiculous. I've never bought frozen shrimp from Vietnam.
No crawfish tail meat from China.

Jill

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On 2020 Feb 23, , notbob wrote
(in article >):

> I don't think red or brown crawdads are much different, allthough I
> have seen them harvested from Southern rice fields. 8|

We have crawdads in our creeks, lakes and reservoirs. All you need is a
trap, some rasty meat and some time. Dont you? Hmmm...rasty means rancid
and nasty, if its a colloquialism.

leo

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On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:20:54 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 1:05:44 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On 23 Feb 2020 23:01:40 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:
>> >
>> >> cyrovac package.
>> >
>> >Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
>> >fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
>> >"Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!
>> >
>> >> Farmed is sustainable.
>> >
>> >No, it's not!
>> >
>> >Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp
>> >in each pond, the shrimp must be fed tons of antibiotics to keep them
>> >alive in their own "wastes".
>>
>> Sounds like how they keep factory chickens -very popular in RFC when
>> they're cheap - in western countries.
>
>Those poor chickens! They're dead meat - literally!
>
>One day, it'll all seem like a bad dream.
>
>https://slate.com/technology/2012/07...k-you-out.html

Yes, let's hope this is the future and that, in a 100 years, current
society will look barbaric.

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On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 5:47:47 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:20:54 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 1:05:44 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On 23 Feb 2020 23:01:40 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> cyrovac package.
> >> >
> >> >Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
> >> >fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
> >> >"Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!
> >> >
> >> >> Farmed is sustainable.
> >> >
> >> >No, it's not!
> >> >
> >> >Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp
> >> >in each pond, the shrimp must be fed tons of antibiotics to keep them
> >> >alive in their own "wastes".
> >>
> >> Sounds like how they keep factory chickens -very popular in RFC when
> >> they're cheap - in western countries.
> >
> >Those poor chickens! They're dead meat - literally!
> >
> >One day, it'll all seem like a bad dream.
> >
> >https://slate.com/technology/2012/07...k-you-out.html
>
> Yes, let's hope this is the future and that, in a 100 years, current
> society will look barbaric.

It could be. I'm hoping that we'll all have robot friends and making babies the old fashioned way will seem gross.

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"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 1:05:44 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On 23 Feb 2020 23:01:40 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:
> >
> >> cyrovac package.
> >
> >Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
> >fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
> >"Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!
> >
> >> Farmed is sustainable.
> >
> >No, it's not!
> >
> >Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp
> >in each pond, the shrimp must be fed tons of antibiotics to keep them
> >alive in their own "wastes".
>
> Sounds like how they keep factory chickens -very popular in RFC when
> they're cheap - in western countries.

Those poor chickens! They're dead meat - literally!

One day, it'll all seem like a bad dream.

https://slate.com/technology/2012/07...k-you-out.html

===

It breaks your teeth???

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"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:20:54 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 1:05:44 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On 23 Feb 2020 23:01:40 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:
>> >
>> >> cyrovac package.
>> >
>> >Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
>> >fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
>> >"Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!
>> >
>> >> Farmed is sustainable.
>> >
>> >No, it's not!
>> >
>> >Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp
>> >in each pond, the shrimp must be fed tons of antibiotics to keep them
>> >alive in their own "wastes".
>>
>> Sounds like how they keep factory chickens -very popular in RFC when
>> they're cheap - in western countries.
>
>Those poor chickens! They're dead meat - literally!
>
>One day, it'll all seem like a bad dream.
>
>https://slate.com/technology/2012/07...k-you-out.html

Yes, let's hope this is the future and that, in a 100 years, current
society will look barbaric.

====

I don't disagree with that and I would be happy to eat that stuff, but
not if it can break my teeth!!

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:23:38 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:20:54 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 1:05:44 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>> On 23 Feb 2020 23:01:40 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> cyrovac package.
>>> >
>>> >Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
>>> >fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
>>> >"Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!
>>> >
>>> >> Farmed is sustainable.
>>> >
>>> >No, it's not!
>>> >
>>> >Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp
>>> >in each pond, the shrimp must be fed tons of antibiotics to keep them
>>> >alive in their own "wastes".
>>>
>>> Sounds like how they keep factory chickens -very popular in RFC when
>>> they're cheap - in western countries.
>>
>>Those poor chickens! They're dead meat - literally!
>>
>>One day, it'll all seem like a bad dream.
>>
>>https://slate.com/technology/2012/07...k-you-out.html
>
>Yes, let's hope this is the future and that, in a 100 years, current
>society will look barbaric.
>
>====
>
> I don't disagree with that and I would be happy to eat that stuff, but
>not if it can break my teeth!!

LOL, I think that's a very reasonable condition.

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:22:39 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"dsi1" wrote in message
...
>
>On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 1:05:44 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On 23 Feb 2020 23:01:40 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:
>> >
>> >> cyrovac package.
>> >
>> >Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
>> >fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
>> >"Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!
>> >
>> >> Farmed is sustainable.
>> >
>> >No, it's not!
>> >
>> >Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp
>> >in each pond, the shrimp must be fed tons of antibiotics to keep them
>> >alive in their own "wastes".
>>
>> Sounds like how they keep factory chickens -very popular in RFC when
>> they're cheap - in western countries.
>
>Those poor chickens! They're dead meat - literally!
>
>One day, it'll all seem like a bad dream.
>
>https://slate.com/technology/2012/07...k-you-out.html
>
>===
>
> It breaks your teeth???

But it says:
"There's something about the way these fake chicken strips BREAK ON
YOUR TEETH..."

It does not say:
"There's something about the way these fake chicken strips BREAK YOUR
TEETH..."

:)

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"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:23:38 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:20:54 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 1:05:44 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>> On 23 Feb 2020 23:01:40 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> cyrovac package.
>>> >
>>> >Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
>>> >fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
>>> >"Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!
>>> >
>>> >> Farmed is sustainable.
>>> >
>>> >No, it's not!
>>> >
>>> >Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp
>>> >in each pond, the shrimp must be fed tons of antibiotics to keep them
>>> >alive in their own "wastes".
>>>
>>> Sounds like how they keep factory chickens -very popular in RFC when
>>> they're cheap - in western countries.
>>
>>Those poor chickens! They're dead meat - literally!
>>
>>One day, it'll all seem like a bad dream.
>>
>>https://slate.com/technology/2012/07...k-you-out.html
>
>Yes, let's hope this is the future and that, in a 100 years, current
>society will look barbaric.
>
>====
>
> I don't disagree with that and I would be happy to eat that stuff, but
>not if it can break my teeth!!

LOL, I think that's a very reasonable condition.

==

In that case you can have my share until they sort that wee problem out
<g>

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"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:22:39 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"dsi1" wrote in message
...
>
>On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 1:05:44 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On 23 Feb 2020 23:01:40 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:
>> >
>> >> cyrovac package.
>> >
>> >Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
>> >fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
>> >"Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!
>> >
>> >> Farmed is sustainable.
>> >
>> >No, it's not!
>> >
>> >Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp
>> >in each pond, the shrimp must be fed tons of antibiotics to keep them
>> >alive in their own "wastes".
>>
>> Sounds like how they keep factory chickens -very popular in RFC when
>> they're cheap - in western countries.
>
>Those poor chickens! They're dead meat - literally!
>
>One day, it'll all seem like a bad dream.
>
>https://slate.com/technology/2012/07...k-you-out.html
>
>===
>
> It breaks your teeth???

But it says:
"There's something about the way these fake chicken strips BREAK ON
YOUR TEETH..."

It does not say:
"There's something about the way these fake chicken strips BREAK YOUR
TEETH..."

:)

===

Oooops

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Bruce wrote:
> But it says:
> "There's something about the way these fake chicken strips BREAK ON
> YOUR TEETH..."

And you complain about science projects? ;)

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On 2/24/2020 10:05 AM, Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>> But it says:
>> "There's something about the way these fake chicken strips BREAK ON
>> YOUR TEETH..."
>
> And you complain about science projects? ;)
>
No, he complains about real chicken, hates that we tend to watch our
food costs and look for the best value. That must mean we're all
extremely cruel to animals.

He espouses plant based "meat" then posts a link about how those
"Beyond" fake chicken strips. The article says:

"break on your teeth, the way they initially resist and then yield to
your chew, the faint fatty residue they leave on your palate and your
tongue€”something about the whole experience that feels a little too real."

Is this supposed to be an endorsement of Beyond faux meat products?

"Faint fatty residue".?

Sorry, that's not what actual chicken tastes like. He seems to think
everyone eats fried chicken strips. Or everything deep fried. He'd be
wrong about everything.

BTW, he doesn't know and can't prove every single brand of chicken sold
in the US supermarkets is farmed in a cruel manner. Anecdotal evidence
from what he's watched on Australian TV. How about he worry more about
where his own food comes from?

Jill

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On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 12:23:03 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 1:05:44 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On 23 Feb 2020 23:01:40 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >
> > >On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:
> > >
> > >> cyrovac package.
> > >
> > >Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
> > >fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
> > >"Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!
> > >
> > >> Farmed is sustainable.
> > >
> > >No, it's not!
> > >
> > >Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp
> > >in each pond, the shrimp must be fed tons of antibiotics to keep them
> > >alive in their own "wastes".
> >
> > Sounds like how they keep factory chickens -very popular in RFC when
> > they're cheap - in western countries.
>
> Those poor chickens! They're dead meat - literally!
>
> One day, it'll all seem like a bad dream.
>
> https://slate.com/technology/2012/07...k-you-out.html
>
> ===
>
> It breaks your teeth???

Hopefully, that's not the case. He's saying that the shear force required to bite through Beyond Chicken is similar to real chicken.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shear_strength

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:19:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:22:39 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>>"dsi1" wrote in message
...
>>
>>On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 1:05:44 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>> On 23 Feb 2020 23:01:40 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> cyrovac package.
>>> >
>>> >Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
>>> >fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
>>> >"Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!
>>> >
>>> >> Farmed is sustainable.
>>> >
>>> >No, it's not!
>>> >
>>> >Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp
>>> >in each pond, the shrimp must be fed tons of antibiotics to keep them
>>> >alive in their own "wastes".
>>>
>>> Sounds like how they keep factory chickens -very popular in RFC when
>>> they're cheap - in western countries.
>>
>>Those poor chickens! They're dead meat - literally!
>>
>>One day, it'll all seem like a bad dream.
>>
>>https://slate.com/technology/2012/07...k-you-out.html
>>
>>===
>>
>> It breaks your teeth???
>
>But it says:
>"There's something about the way these fake chicken strips BREAK ON
>YOUR TEETH..."
>
>It does not say:
>"There's something about the way these fake chicken strips BREAK YOUR
>TEETH..."
>
>:)
>
>===
>
> Oooops

lol

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:05:40 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>> But it says:
>> "There's something about the way these fake chicken strips BREAK ON
>> YOUR TEETH..."
>
>And you complain about science projects? ;)

Here's the ingredient list for the Beyond Meat Burger:

water, pea protein isolate*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined
coconut oil, contains 2% or less of the following: cellulose from
bamboo, methylcellulose, potato starch, natural flavor, maltodextrin,
yeast extract, salt, sunflower oil, vegetable glycerin, dried yeast,
gum arabic, citrus extract (to protect quality), ascorbic acid (to
maintain color), beet juice extract (for color), acetic acid, succinic
acid, modified food starch, annatto (for color).

Meh. But one never-mentioned ingredient is missing: animal suffering.
That's worth something.

Of course, you could also not eat meat and also not eat Beyond Meat.

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:53:30 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/24/2020 10:05 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>>> But it says:
>>> "There's something about the way these fake chicken strips BREAK ON
>>> YOUR TEETH..."
>>
>> And you complain about science projects? ;)
>>
>No, he complains about real chicken, hates that we tend to watch our
>food costs and look for the best value. That must mean we're all
>extremely cruel to animals.

Yes, because the cheaper the chicken the worse it's been treated.

>He espouses plant based "meat" then posts a link about how those
>"Beyond" fake chicken strips. The article says:
>
>"break on your teeth, the way they initially resist and then yield to
>your chew, the faint fatty residue they leave on your palate and your
>tongue€”something about the whole experience that feels a little too real."
>
>Is this supposed to be an endorsement of Beyond faux meat products?
>
>"Faint fatty residue".?

I don't endorse anything. I haven't even eaten the stuff yet. I also
didn't post the link.

>Sorry, that's not what actual chicken tastes like. He seems to think
>everyone eats fried chicken strips. Or everything deep fried. He'd be
>wrong about everything.

All these he's are me, right? Or is it dsi1?

>BTW, he doesn't know and can't prove every single brand of chicken sold
>in the US supermarkets is farmed in a cruel manner. Anecdotal evidence
>from what he's watched on Australian TV. How about he worry more about
>where his own food comes from?

Australian TV and Dutch TV. In the USA, food legislation is weaker
than anywhere else (money is all that counts), so it'll only be worse.
Don't kid yourself.

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"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 12:23:03 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 1:05:44 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On 23 Feb 2020 23:01:40 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >
> > >On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:
> > >
> > >> cyrovac package.
> > >
> > >Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
> > >fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
> > >"Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!
> > >
> > >> Farmed is sustainable.
> > >
> > >No, it's not!
> > >
> > >Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp
> > >in each pond, the shrimp must be fed tons of antibiotics to keep them
> > >alive in their own "wastes".
> >
> > Sounds like how they keep factory chickens -very popular in RFC when
> > they're cheap - in western countries.
>
> Those poor chickens! They're dead meat - literally!
>
> One day, it'll all seem like a bad dream.
>
> https://slate.com/technology/2012/07...k-you-out.html
>
> ===
>
> It breaks your teeth???

Hopefully, that's not the case. He's saying that the shear force required to
bite through Beyond Chicken is similar to real chicken.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shear_strength

===

Ok, thank you <g>

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On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 3:16:17 PM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
> On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 12:23:03 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> > On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 1:05:44 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > On 23 Feb 2020 23:01:40 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> > > >On 2020-02-23, jmcquown > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> cyrovac package.
> > > >
> > > >Usta come packed in "frozen water", the only way to preserve
> > > >fish/anthropods (seafood). Never did figure out why they went to
> > > >"Flash Frozen" as the H2O was figured into the weight!
> > > >
> > > >> Farmed is sustainable.
> > > >
> > > >No, it's not!
> > > >
> > > >Farmed shrimp is usually from Vietnam, where they put so many shrimp
> > > >in each pond, the shrimp must be fed tons of antibiotics to keep them
> > > >alive in their own "wastes".
> > >
> > > Sounds like how they keep factory chickens -very popular in RFC when
> > > they're cheap - in western countries.
> >
> > Those poor chickens! They're dead meat - literally!
> >
> > One day, it'll all seem like a bad dream.
> >
> > https://slate.com/technology/2012/07...k-you-out.html
> >
> > It breaks your teeth???
>
> Hopefully, that's not the case. He's saying that the shear force required to
> bite through Beyond Chicken is similar to real chicken.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shear_strength
>
> ===
>
> Ok, thank you <g>

So. I wonder when all of this "Beyond Processed" food will get around to replacing raw fish dishes like sashimi or sushi.

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On 2020-02-24, jmcquown > wrote:

> No crawfish tail meat from China.

That's good to know!

Occassionally, the local "meat mkt" has it on sale (very rarely).

Next time it's available, I'll check it out. BTW, CA has tons of
crawdads in the SF Delta. Unfortunately, they are never used. One of
the biggest Cajun Festivals still operating (I think) is in Isleton,
CA, a sleepy little town right on said delta. I asked all the
purveyers of crawdads, "where did these crawdads come from?". They
all sed, "....the Louisiana Delta". Go figure. ;)

nb