Sheldon wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 14:10:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/8/2020 1:17 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:06:51 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2020-03-08 12:22 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've heard people say that they are afraid to eat produce now and will
>>>>>> only eat things from a box, can or jar.
>>>>>
>>>>>> How are things in your area?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've not seen much personally yet but some Chinese owned businesses in
>>>>> the area said sales were off.* People have odd logic.* Virus started in
>>>>> China, these every Chinese establishment must have the virus.
>>>>
>>>> It's an odd thing. FWIW, they have changed the name of it. Apparently
>>>> calling it the Corona Virus now supposedly racist. They are calling it
>>>> Covid 19. I guess that will rid us of the impression that it started in
>>>> and spread from China.
>>>
>>> Misinformation.
>>>
>>> -"Corona" doesn't refer to China at all.
>>> -This virus is one of many corona viruses. Calling it "corona virus"
>>> is too general. SARS is also a corona virus.
>>>
>> I'm sure Conora Beer would kike it called Covid 19 too. There was a
>> joke they offered $1million to the CDC to call it the Bud Light virus
>> instead.
>
> No virus can survive a case of Crystal Palace.
>

Hasn't killed yoose yet Popeye, and yoose have gone through many
cases of the stuff.

dsi1 wrote:

> On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 8:19:37 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2020-03-08 1:51 p.m., U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > > On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:06:51 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 2020-03-08 12:22 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I've heard people say that they are afraid to eat produce now and will
> > >>>> only eat things from a box, can or jar.
> > >>>
> > >>>> How are things in your area?
> > >>>
> > >>> I've not seen much personally yet but some Chinese owned businesses in
> > >>> the area said sales were off.Â* People have odd logic.Â* Virus started in
> > >>> China, these every Chinese establishment must have the virus.
> > >>
> > >> It's an odd thing. FWIW, they have changed the name of it. Apparently
> > >> calling it the Corona Virus now supposedly racist. They are calling it
> > >> Covid 19. I guess that will rid us of the impression that it started in
> > >> and spread from China.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> A friend was going to visit around the end of the month but cancelled as
> > >>> she does not want to get on a plane right now and I don't blame her..Â* I
> > >>> see no reason to get into a sealed tube with 150 people right now.
> > >>
> > >> I have heard of a number of people who have cancelled travel plans. My
> > >> son and his girlfriend have a trip to Peru planned for May. Everything
> > >> is paid and they are still planning on going.
> > >>
> > > Coronavirus is the name of a family of virus. This particular one is
> > > now named Covid-19. It has nothing to do with racism or where the
> > > virus originated. SARS, et. al. are all coronavirus.
> >
> >
> > There have been a lot of complaints about racism connect to this virus,
> > which, like many other serious infectious diseases, seems to have spread
> > from China. The first time I heard a news report about the Cov1d 19
> > there were comments about racism.
> >
> > One article I read cites a drop of 30% in business at Chinese
> > restaurants in Toronto. Toronto has a very large number of Chinese
> > people and there are a lot of Chinese restaurants that cater to them.
> > The article made the claim about the 30% drop in business and cited
> > the virus and anti Chinese racism as the cause. There was no more
> > information about the demographics. For all we know the 30% drop may
> > have reflected the number of Chinese diners who stopped going. There
> > were similar comments about people wearing masks, but the only people I
> > saw wearing masks were Chinese. I don't think it is fair to suggested
> > white <?> racism against Chinese for the reduced business if most of the
> > loss is due to the Chinese themselves not going out to eat.
>
> Asians have a long and honorable history of wearing face masks. Perhaps the Westerners will adopt this practice too. Mostly, I think it's helpful for preventing people from spreading germs.
>
> I've been doing more fist bumps. It's probably not as effective as elbow bumps, which is not as effective as foot taps. These practices are a good thing. I hope it continues even after all this blows over.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOEgEZ25C9


From the pics you've posted all can see that your personal hygiene is in a state of "dereliction", why would one choose to even be within ten miles of you...

--
Best
Greg

On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 10:10:24 AM UTC-10, GM wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 8:19:37 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > On 2020-03-08 1:51 p.m., U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:06:51 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On 2020-03-08 12:22 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I've heard people say that they are afraid to eat produce now and will
> > > >>>> only eat things from a box, can or jar.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> How are things in your area?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I've not seen much personally yet but some Chinese owned businesses in
> > > >>> the area said sales were off.Â* People have odd logic.Â* Virus started in
> > > >>> China, these every Chinese establishment must have the virus.
> > > >>
> > > >> It's an odd thing. FWIW, they have changed the name of it. Apparently
> > > >> calling it the Corona Virus now supposedly racist. They are calling it
> > > >> Covid 19. I guess that will rid us of the impression that it started in
> > > >> and spread from China.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> A friend was going to visit around the end of the month but cancelled as
> > > >>> she does not want to get on a plane right now and I don't blame her.Â* I
> > > >>> see no reason to get into a sealed tube with 150 people right now..
> > > >>
> > > >> I have heard of a number of people who have cancelled travel plans.. My
> > > >> son and his girlfriend have a trip to Peru planned for May. Everything
> > > >> is paid and they are still planning on going.
> > > >>
> > > > Coronavirus is the name of a family of virus. This particular one is
> > > > now named Covid-19. It has nothing to do with racism or where the
> > > > virus originated. SARS, et. al. are all coronavirus.
> > >
> > >
> > > There have been a lot of complaints about racism connect to this virus,
> > > which, like many other serious infectious diseases, seems to have spread
> > > from China. The first time I heard a news report about the Cov1d 19
> > > there were comments about racism.
> > >
> > > One article I read cites a drop of 30% in business at Chinese
> > > restaurants in Toronto. Toronto has a very large number of Chinese
> > > people and there are a lot of Chinese restaurants that cater to them.
> > > The article made the claim about the 30% drop in business and cited
> > > the virus and anti Chinese racism as the cause. There was no more
> > > information about the demographics. For all we know the 30% drop may
> > > have reflected the number of Chinese diners who stopped going. There
> > > were similar comments about people wearing masks, but the only people I
> > > saw wearing masks were Chinese. I don't think it is fair to suggested
> > > white <?> racism against Chinese for the reduced business if most of the
> > > loss is due to the Chinese themselves not going out to eat.
> >
> > Asians have a long and honorable history of wearing face masks. Perhaps the Westerners will adopt this practice too. Mostly, I think it's helpful for preventing people from spreading germs.
> >
> > I've been doing more fist bumps. It's probably not as effective as elbow bumps, which is not as effective as foot taps. These practices are a good thing. I hope it continues even after all this blows over.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOEgEZ25C9
>
>
> From the pics you've posted all can see that your personal hygiene is in a state of "dereliction", why would one choose to even be within ten miles of you...
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

From all the photos you've posted and your posts, I can tell yoose is absolutely hideous inside and outside!

Cheers!
dsi1

On 3/8/2020 3:52 PM, Sheldon wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 14:10:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/8/2020 1:17 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:06:51 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2020-03-08 12:22 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've heard people say that they are afraid to eat produce now and will
>>>>>> only eat things from a box, can or jar.
>>>>>
>>>>>> How are things in your area?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've not seen much personally yet but some Chinese owned businesses in
>>>>> the area said sales were off.Â* People have odd logic.Â* Virus started in
>>>>> China, these every Chinese establishment must have the virus.
>>>>
>>>> It's an odd thing. FWIW, they have changed the name of it. Apparently
>>>> calling it the Corona Virus now supposedly racist. They are calling it
>>>> Covid 19. I guess that will rid us of the impression that it started in
>>>> and spread from China.
>>>
>>> Misinformation.
>>>
>>> -"Corona" doesn't refer to China at all.
>>> -This virus is one of many corona viruses. Calling it "corona virus"
>>> is too general. SARS is also a corona virus.
>>>
>> I'm sure Conora Beer would kike it called Covid 19 too. There was a
>> joke they offered $1million to the CDC to call it the Bud Light virus
>> instead.
>
> No virus can survive a case of Crystal Palace.
>
Are you planning on bathing in it?

Jill

I'm not looking to debate but let's examine the contradiction of your statement. In the process of refuting my opinion you actually affirmed it. You say now the shot you took for the swine flu will be of no benefit to you now with the new bully on the block. I don't know. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.

I said the shots are a hoax and I still believe that's the case. Taking a vaccine for one strain of flu in a world where new strains pop up all the time seems pretty stupid to me. To each their own, of course

Of course you don't want to get sick. Who does? All I'm saying is that getting the flu and recovering from it (if) is a far more meaningful and proven form of immunization than any vaccine. And I do think people don't realize what effect meds and vaccines may have on them in the future.

That goes for anti depressants too. Kids born to coke or heroin addicted can be born addicted to this drugs. If this is true then I will assume the same would apply to pharmaceutical drugs such as anti depressants, spawning new generations of depressed people who will need the meds to control their moods. Just a theory. Unproven. Like the flu vaccine.

And I agree with those who pooh poohed mask wearing. Not saying it can't help, but the germs don't enter through the mouth and nose alone - the eyes have membranes too. Plus if the masks get wet (lots of breathing) the dampness can be inviting to a variety of germs.

Anyway, in your own way you admitted that the shot you got for the swine flu will likely be of no help this time around. Of course we don't know if that's entirely true or not. And yes, wearing the mask is more meaningful for people who already have the flu or think they might have it. It is worn to protect others, not the wearer (except for possibly a Typhoid Mary revenge style beating when people get sick and blame it on the mask wearer, or people with coughs who aren't wearing it). I am not taking this thing lightly but the same basic actions for avoiding the common cold are recommended for all airborne illnesses - clean hands and fingers off the face. I wouldn't take the vaccine if they made it mandatory. But hey, that's me.

On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:53:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

>I'm not looking to debate but let's examine the contradiction of your statement. In the process of refuting my opinion you actually affirmed it. You say now the shot you took for the swine flu will be of no benefit to you now with the new bully on the block. I don't know. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.
>
>I said the shots are a hoax and I still believe that's the case. Taking a vaccine for one strain of flu in a world where new strains pop up all the time seems pretty stupid to me. To each their own, of course
>
>Of course you don't want to get sick. Who does? All I'm saying is that getting the flu and recovering from it (if) is a far more meaningful and proven form of immunization than any vaccine. And I do think people don't realize what effect meds and vaccines may have on them in the future.
>
>That goes for anti depressants too. Kids born to coke or heroin addicted can be born addicted to this drugs. If this is true then I will assume the same would apply to pharmaceutical drugs such as anti depressants, spawning new generations of depressed people who will need the meds to control their moods. Just a theory. Unproven. Like the flu vaccine.
>
>And I agree with those who pooh poohed mask wearing. Not saying it can't help, but the germs don't enter through the mouth and nose alone - the eyes have membranes too. Plus if the masks get wet (lots of breathing) the dampness can be inviting to a variety of germs.
>
>Anyway, in your own way you admitted that the shot you got for the swine flu will likely be of no help this time around. Of course we don't know if that's entirely true or not. And yes, wearing the mask is more meaningful for people who already have the flu or think they might have it. It is worn to protect others, not the wearer (except for possibly a Typhoid Mary revenge style beating when people get sick and blame it on the mask wearer, or people with coughs who aren't wearing it). I am not taking this thing lightly but the same basic actions for avoiding the common cold are recommended for all airborne illnesses - clean hands and fingers off the face. I wouldn't take the vaccine if they made it mandatory. But hey, that's me.

I never had a shot for swine flu. What I meant was that the fact that
I've (probably) had swine flu, doesn't protect me against corona
virus, because the virus is different.

And maybe a flu shot is less bad for our bodies than having the flu.

On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 16:36:21 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 3/8/2020 3:52 PM, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 14:10:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/8/2020 1:17 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:06:51 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2020-03-08 12:22 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've heard people say that they are afraid to eat produce now and will
>>>>>>> only eat things from a box, can or jar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How are things in your area?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've not seen much personally yet but some Chinese owned businesses in
>>>>>> the area said sales were off.* People have odd logic.* Virus started in
>>>>>> China, these every Chinese establishment must have the virus.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's an odd thing. FWIW, they have changed the name of it. Apparently
>>>>> calling it the Corona Virus now supposedly racist. They are calling it
>>>>> Covid 19. I guess that will rid us of the impression that it started in
>>>>> and spread from China.
>>>>
>>>> Misinformation.
>>>>
>>>> -"Corona" doesn't refer to China at all.
>>>> -This virus is one of many corona viruses. Calling it "corona virus"
>>>> is too general. SARS is also a corona virus.
>>>>
>>> I'm sure Conora Beer would kike it called Covid 19 too. There was a
>>> joke they offered $1million to the CDC to call it the Bud Light virus
>>> instead.
>>
>> No virus can survive a case of Crystal Palace.
>>
>Are you planning on bathing in it?
>
>Jill

I recommend gargling and sponge bathing. My dentist recommends vodka,
much better than Listerine.

On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:19:14 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 10:10:24 AM UTC-10, GM wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> > On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 8:19:37 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > > On 2020-03-08 1:51 p.m., U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> > > > On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:06:51 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> On 2020-03-08 12:22 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> I've heard people say that they are afraid to eat produce now and will
>> > > >>>> only eat things from a box, can or jar.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> How are things in your area?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> I've not seen much personally yet but some Chinese owned businesses in
>> > > >>> the area said sales were off.* People have odd logic.* Virus started in
>> > > >>> China, these every Chinese establishment must have the virus.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> It's an odd thing. FWIW, they have changed the name of it. Apparently
>> > > >> calling it the Corona Virus now supposedly racist. They are calling it
>> > > >> Covid 19. I guess that will rid us of the impression that it started in
>> > > >> and spread from China.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> A friend was going to visit around the end of the month but cancelled as
>> > > >>> she does not want to get on a plane right now and I don't blame her.* I
>> > > >>> see no reason to get into a sealed tube with 150 people right now.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I have heard of a number of people who have cancelled travel plans. My
>> > > >> son and his girlfriend have a trip to Peru planned for May. Everything
>> > > >> is paid and they are still planning on going.
>> > > >>
>> > > > Coronavirus is the name of a family of virus. This particular one is
>> > > > now named Covid-19. It has nothing to do with racism or where the
>> > > > virus originated. SARS, et. al. are all coronavirus.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > There have been a lot of complaints about racism connect to this virus,
>> > > which, like many other serious infectious diseases, seems to have spread
>> > > from China. The first time I heard a news report about the Cov1d 19
>> > > there were comments about racism.
>> > >
>> > > One article I read cites a drop of 30% in business at Chinese
>> > > restaurants in Toronto. Toronto has a very large number of Chinese
>> > > people and there are a lot of Chinese restaurants that cater to them.
>> > > The article made the claim about the 30% drop in business and cited
>> > > the virus and anti Chinese racism as the cause. There was no more
>> > > information about the demographics. For all we know the 30% drop may
>> > > have reflected the number of Chinese diners who stopped going. There
>> > > were similar comments about people wearing masks, but the only people I
>> > > saw wearing masks were Chinese. I don't think it is fair to suggested
>> > > white <?> racism against Chinese for the reduced business if most of the
>> > > loss is due to the Chinese themselves not going out to eat.
>> >
>> > Asians have a long and honorable history of wearing face masks. Perhaps the Westerners will adopt this practice too. Mostly, I think it's helpful for preventing people from spreading germs.
>> >
>> > I've been doing more fist bumps. It's probably not as effective as elbow bumps, which is not as effective as foot taps. These practices are a good thing. I hope it continues even after all this blows over.
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOEgEZ25C9
>>
>>
>> From the pics you've posted all can see that your personal hygiene is in a state of "dereliction", why would one choose to even be within ten miles of you...
>>
>> --
>> Best
>> Greg
>
>From all the photos you've posted and your posts, I can tell yoose is absolutely hideous inside and outside!
>
>Cheers!
>dsi1

All us mainlanders are very lucky that the ulelele is separated from
us by thousands of miles of ocean.

On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 11:46:31 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:19:14 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 10:10:24 AM UTC-10, GM wrote:
> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 8:19:37 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> > > On 2020-03-08 1:51 p.m., U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >> > > > On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:06:51 -0400, Dave Smith
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> On 2020-03-08 12:22 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> I've heard people say that they are afraid to eat produce now and will
> >> > > >>>> only eat things from a box, can or jar.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>> How are things in your area?
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> I've not seen much personally yet but some Chinese owned businesses in
> >> > > >>> the area said sales were off.Â* People have odd logic.Â* Virus started in
> >> > > >>> China, these every Chinese establishment must have the virus.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> It's an odd thing. FWIW, they have changed the name of it. Apparently
> >> > > >> calling it the Corona Virus now supposedly racist. They are calling it
> >> > > >> Covid 19. I guess that will rid us of the impression that it started in
> >> > > >> and spread from China.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>> A friend was going to visit around the end of the month but cancelled as
> >> > > >>> she does not want to get on a plane right now and I don't blame her.Â* I
> >> > > >>> see no reason to get into a sealed tube with 150 people right now.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I have heard of a number of people who have cancelled travel plans. My
> >> > > >> son and his girlfriend have a trip to Peru planned for May. Everything
> >> > > >> is paid and they are still planning on going.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > > Coronavirus is the name of a family of virus. This particular one is
> >> > > > now named Covid-19. It has nothing to do with racism or where the
> >> > > > virus originated. SARS, et. al. are all coronavirus.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > There have been a lot of complaints about racism connect to this virus,
> >> > > which, like many other serious infectious diseases, seems to have spread
> >> > > from China. The first time I heard a news report about the Cov1d 19
> >> > > there were comments about racism.
> >> > >
> >> > > One article I read cites a drop of 30% in business at Chinese
> >> > > restaurants in Toronto. Toronto has a very large number of Chinese
> >> > > people and there are a lot of Chinese restaurants that cater to them.
> >> > > The article made the claim about the 30% drop in business and cited
> >> > > the virus and anti Chinese racism as the cause. There was no more
> >> > > information about the demographics. For all we know the 30% drop may
> >> > > have reflected the number of Chinese diners who stopped going. There
> >> > > were similar comments about people wearing masks, but the only people I
> >> > > saw wearing masks were Chinese. I don't think it is fair to suggested
> >> > > white <?> racism against Chinese for the reduced business if most of the
> >> > > loss is due to the Chinese themselves not going out to eat.
> >> >
> >> > Asians have a long and honorable history of wearing face masks. Perhaps the Westerners will adopt this practice too. Mostly, I think it's helpful for preventing people from spreading germs.
> >> >
> >> > I've been doing more fist bumps. It's probably not as effective as elbow bumps, which is not as effective as foot taps. These practices are a good thing. I hope it continues even after all this blows over.
> >> >
> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOEgEZ25C9
> >>
> >>
> >> From the pics you've posted all can see that your personal hygiene is in a state of "dereliction", why would one choose to even be within ten miles of you...
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best
> >> Greg
> >
> >From all the photos you've posted and your posts, I can tell yoose is absolutely hideous inside and outside!
> >
> >Cheers!
> >dsi1
>
> All us mainlanders are very lucky that the ulelele is separated from
> us by thousands of miles of ocean.

You're wrong about that. The ukulele is popular everywhere on this planet! My guess is that wherever you are, there will be a ukulele within a small radius of you. They're that popular.

https://www.ukulele.org/?Inductees:1...8:Manuel_Nunes

On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 5:11:45 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:53:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
> >I'm not looking to debate but let's examine the contradiction of your statement. In the process of refuting my opinion you actually affirmed it. You say now the shot you took for the swine flu will be of no benefit to you now with the new bully on the block. I don't know. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.
> >
> >I said the shots are a hoax and I still believe that's the case. Taking a vaccine for one strain of flu in a world where new strains pop up all the time seems pretty stupid to me. To each their own, of course
> >
> >Of course you don't want to get sick. Who does? All I'm saying is that getting the flu and recovering from it (if) is a far more meaningful and proven form of immunization than any vaccine. And I do think people don't realize what effect meds and vaccines may have on them in the future.
> >
> >That goes for anti depressants too. Kids born to coke or heroin addicted can be born addicted to this drugs. If this is true then I will assume the same would apply to pharmaceutical drugs such as anti depressants, spawning new generations of depressed people who will need the meds to control their moods. Just a theory. Unproven. Like the flu vaccine.
> >
> >And I agree with those who pooh poohed mask wearing. Not saying it can't help, but the germs don't enter through the mouth and nose alone - the eyes have membranes too. Plus if the masks get wet (lots of breathing) the dampness can be inviting to a variety of germs.
> >
> >Anyway, in your own way you admitted that the shot you got for the swine flu will likely be of no help this time around. Of course we don't know if that's entirely true or not. And yes, wearing the mask is more meaningful for people who already have the flu or think they might have it. It is worn to protect others, not the wearer (except for possibly a Typhoid Mary revenge style beating when people get sick and blame it on the mask wearer, or people with coughs who aren't wearing it). I am not taking this thing lightly but the same basic actions for avoiding the common cold are recommended for all airborne illnesses - clean hands and fingers off the face. I wouldn't take the vaccine if they made it mandatory. But hey, that's me.
>
> I never had a shot for swine flu. What I meant was that the fact that
> I've (probably) had swine flu, doesn't protect me against corona
> virus, because the virus is different.
>
> And maybe a flu shot is less bad for our bodies than having the flu.



Ok, gotcha - but I still don't trust it. And I never said that getting sick from one flu will protect a person from another strain. But it is a fact that most people who get the flu, including this one, will likely not get that same flu again even if they stand in the middle of a pack of coughing sneezing sickos. It is a fact. I don't want to get sick. But if I do I will drink lots of water and moan my way through it. If I die I die. But if I live I will probably be immune to getting it again. And maybe it does have some kind of protective value against other strains. Who knows? I just know I don't trust the shot, especially the way it came from out of nowhere and now there are vaccines for just about everything and people are buying them because they think it's abnormal to get sick. They think they can buy their way out of everything.

On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 15:40:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

>On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 5:11:45 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:53:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>>
>> >I'm not looking to debate but let's examine the contradiction of your statement. In the process of refuting my opinion you actually affirmed it. You say now the shot you took for the swine flu will be of no benefit to you now with the new bully on the block. I don't know. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.
>> >
>> >I said the shots are a hoax and I still believe that's the case. Taking a vaccine for one strain of flu in a world where new strains pop up all the time seems pretty stupid to me. To each their own, of course
>> >
>> >Of course you don't want to get sick. Who does? All I'm saying is that getting the flu and recovering from it (if) is a far more meaningful and proven form of immunization than any vaccine. And I do think people don't realize what effect meds and vaccines may have on them in the future.
>> >
>> >That goes for anti depressants too. Kids born to coke or heroin addicted can be born addicted to this drugs. If this is true then I will assume the same would apply to pharmaceutical drugs such as anti depressants, spawning new generations of depressed people who will need the meds to control their moods. Just a theory. Unproven. Like the flu vaccine.
>> >
>> >And I agree with those who pooh poohed mask wearing. Not saying it can't help, but the germs don't enter through the mouth and nose alone - the eyes have membranes too. Plus if the masks get wet (lots of breathing) the dampness can be inviting to a variety of germs.
>> >
>> >Anyway, in your own way you admitted that the shot you got for the swine flu will likely be of no help this time around. Of course we don't know if that's entirely true or not. And yes, wearing the mask is more meaningful for people who already have the flu or think they might have it. It is worn to protect others, not the wearer (except for possibly a Typhoid Mary revenge style beating when people get sick and blame it on the mask wearer, or people with coughs who aren't wearing it). I am not taking this thing lightly but the same basic actions for avoiding the common cold are recommended for all airborne illnesses - clean hands and fingers off the face. I wouldn't take the vaccine if they made it mandatory. But hey, that's me.
>>
>> I never had a shot for swine flu. What I meant was that the fact that
>> I've (probably) had swine flu, doesn't protect me against corona
>> virus, because the virus is different.
>>
>> And maybe a flu shot is less bad for our bodies than having the flu.
>
>
>
>Ok, gotcha - but I still don't trust it. And I never said that getting sick from one flu will protect a person from another strain. But it is a fact that most people who get the flu, including this one, will likely not get that same flu again even if they stand in the middle of a pack of coughing sneezing sickos. It is a fact. I don't want to get sick. But if I do I will drink lots of water and moan my way through it. If I die I die. But if I live I will probably be immune to getting it again. And maybe it does have some kind of protective value against other strains. Who knows? I just know I don't trust the shot, especially the way it came from out of nowhere and now there are vaccines for just about everything and people are buying them because they think it's abnormal to get sick. They think they can buy their way out of everything.

Yes, I think you get some degree of immunity to the same strain and
similar strains. Although, with corona, they say a Japanese woman got
it twice. I don't know if that will be a common thing.

I'm not afraid of the flu shots, although I've only had it once or
twice.

On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 15:40:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

>On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 5:11:45 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:53:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>>
>> >I'm not looking to debate but let's examine the contradiction of your statement. In the process of refuting my opinion you actually affirmed it. You say now the shot you took for the swine flu will be of no benefit to you now with the new bully on the block. I don't know. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.
>> >
>> >I said the shots are a hoax and I still believe that's the case. Taking a vaccine for one strain of flu in a world where new strains pop up all the time seems pretty stupid to me. To each their own, of course
>> >
>> >Of course you don't want to get sick. Who does? All I'm saying is that getting the flu and recovering from it (if) is a far more meaningful and proven form of immunization than any vaccine. And I do think people don't realize what effect meds and vaccines may have on them in the future.
>> >
>> >That goes for anti depressants too. Kids born to coke or heroin addicted can be born addicted to this drugs. If this is true then I will assume the same would apply to pharmaceutical drugs such as anti depressants, spawning new generations of depressed people who will need the meds to control their moods. Just a theory. Unproven. Like the flu vaccine.
>> >
>> >And I agree with those who pooh poohed mask wearing. Not saying it can't help, but the germs don't enter through the mouth and nose alone - the eyes have membranes too. Plus if the masks get wet (lots of breathing) the dampness can be inviting to a variety of germs.
>> >
>> >Anyway, in your own way you admitted that the shot you got for the swine flu will likely be of no help this time around. Of course we don't know if that's entirely true or not. And yes, wearing the mask is more meaningful for people who already have the flu or think they might have it. It is worn to protect others, not the wearer (except for possibly a Typhoid Mary revenge style beating when people get sick and blame it on the mask wearer, or people with coughs who aren't wearing it). I am not taking this thing lightly but the same basic actions for avoiding the common cold are recommended for all airborne illnesses - clean hands and fingers off the face. I wouldn't take the vaccine if they made it mandatory. But hey, that's me.
>>
>> I never had a shot for swine flu. What I meant was that the fact that
>> I've (probably) had swine flu, doesn't protect me against corona
>> virus, because the virus is different.
>>
>> And maybe a flu shot is less bad for our bodies than having the flu.
>
>
>
>Ok, gotcha - but I still don't trust it. And I never said that getting sick from one flu will protect a person from another strain. But it is a fact that most people who get the flu, including this one, will likely not get that same flu again even if they stand in the middle of a pack of coughing sneezing sickos. It is a fact. I don't want to get sick. But if I do I will drink lots of water and moan my way through it. If I die I die. But if I live I will probably be immune to getting it again. And maybe it does have some kind of protective value against other strains. Who knows? I just know I don't trust the shot, especially the way it came from out of nowhere and now there are vaccines for just about everything and people are buying them because they think it's abnormal to get sick. They think they can buy their way out of everything.

What is it you don't trust?? You wrote --
" Who knows? I just know I don't trust the shot, especially the way
it came from out of nowhere "
There is no 'shot' for the corona virus at this time.
The regular flu shots have been around for years. Flu shots contain
vaccine against several flu virus each year, not just one. Protection
for childhood diseases (shots) have been around for years and years.
Are you a member of the Anti-Vac brigade?
Janet US

Sheldon wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 16:36:21 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/8/2020 3:52 PM, Sheldon wrote:
>>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 14:10:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/8/2020 1:17 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:06:51 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2020-03-08 12:22 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've heard people say that they are afraid to eat produce now and will
>>>>>>>> only eat things from a box, can or jar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How are things in your area?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've not seen much personally yet but some Chinese owned businesses in
>>>>>>> the area said sales were off.* People have odd logic.* Virus started in
>>>>>>> China, these every Chinese establishment must have the virus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's an odd thing. FWIW, they have changed the name of it. Apparently
>>>>>> calling it the Corona Virus now supposedly racist. They are calling it
>>>>>> Covid 19. I guess that will rid us of the impression that it started in
>>>>>> and spread from China.
>>>>>
>>>>> Misinformation.
>>>>>
>>>>> -"Corona" doesn't refer to China at all.
>>>>> -This virus is one of many corona viruses. Calling it "corona virus"
>>>>> is too general. SARS is also a corona virus.
>>>>>
>>>> I'm sure Conora Beer would kike it called Covid 19 too. There was a
>>>> joke they offered $1million to the CDC to call it the Bud Light virus
>>>> instead.
>>>
>>> No virus can survive a case of Crystal Palace.
>>>
>> Are you planning on bathing in it?
>>
>> Jill
>
> I recommend gargling and sponge bathing. My dentist recommends vodka,
> much better than Listerine.
>

So, Popeye, yoose quit taking it as an enema?

On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 1:07:23 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 15:40:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 5:11:45 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:53:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
> >>
> >> >I'm not looking to debate but let's examine the contradiction of your statement. In the process of refuting my opinion you actually affirmed it. You say now the shot you took for the swine flu will be of no benefit to you now with the new bully on the block. I don't know. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.
> >> >
> >> >I said the shots are a hoax and I still believe that's the case. Taking a vaccine for one strain of flu in a world where new strains pop up all the time seems pretty stupid to me. To each their own, of course
> >> >
> >> >Of course you don't want to get sick. Who does? All I'm saying is that getting the flu and recovering from it (if) is a far more meaningful and proven form of immunization than any vaccine. And I do think people don't realize what effect meds and vaccines may have on them in the future.
> >> >
> >> >That goes for anti depressants too. Kids born to coke or heroin addicted can be born addicted to this drugs. If this is true then I will assume the same would apply to pharmaceutical drugs such as anti depressants, spawning new generations of depressed people who will need the meds to control their moods. Just a theory. Unproven. Like the flu vaccine.
> >> >
> >> >And I agree with those who pooh poohed mask wearing. Not saying it can't help, but the germs don't enter through the mouth and nose alone - the eyes have membranes too. Plus if the masks get wet (lots of breathing) the dampness can be inviting to a variety of germs.
> >> >
> >> >Anyway, in your own way you admitted that the shot you got for the swine flu will likely be of no help this time around. Of course we don't know if that's entirely true or not. And yes, wearing the mask is more meaningful for people who already have the flu or think they might have it. It is worn to protect others, not the wearer (except for possibly a Typhoid Mary revenge style beating when people get sick and blame it on the mask wearer, or people with coughs who aren't wearing it). I am not taking this thing lightly but the same basic actions for avoiding the common cold are recommended for all airborne illnesses - clean hands and fingers off the face. I wouldn't take the vaccine if they made it mandatory. But hey, that's me.
> >>
> >> I never had a shot for swine flu. What I meant was that the fact that
> >> I've (probably) had swine flu, doesn't protect me against corona
> >> virus, because the virus is different.
> >>
> >> And maybe a flu shot is less bad for our bodies than having the flu.
> >
> >
> >
> >Ok, gotcha - but I still don't trust it. And I never said that getting sick from one flu will protect a person from another strain. But it is a fact that most people who get the flu, including this one, will likely not get that same flu again even if they stand in the middle of a pack of coughing sneezing sickos. It is a fact. I don't want to get sick. But if I do I will drink lots of water and moan my way through it. If I die I die. But if I live I will probably be immune to getting it again. And maybe it does have some kind of protective value against other strains. Who knows? I just know I don't trust the shot, especially the way it came from out of nowhere and now there are vaccines for just about everything and people are buying them because they think it's abnormal to get sick. They think they can buy their way out of everything.
>
> What is it you don't trust?? You wrote --
> " Who knows? I just know I don't trust the shot, especially the way
> it came from out of nowhere "
> There is no 'shot' for the corona virus at this time.
> The regular flu shots have been around for years. Flu shots contain
> vaccine against several flu virus each year, not just one. Protection
> for childhood diseases (shots) have been around for years and years.
> Are you a member of the Anti-Vac brigade?
> Janet US

I got a text that our club had an annual banquet shut down at a retirement center. It's the first time in 40 years. They're locking the place down to protect the residents. I suppose they had no choice in the matter. My guess is that it'll take a while for things to get back to normal.

> wrote in message
...
These people who go into ultra hygiene mode only when the media provokes
them into it make me feel more sane now about washing my hands and using
sanitizer even when nothing big is afoot. These now again hygiene typed
remind me of people who never play the lottery but jump all over it when the
number gets real big and it's all over the media.

---
Thing is, I don't think a lot of them really do go into that mode. They just
claim they do!
---

I wonder what the percentage of people in industrialized nations is who have
gotten the Corona virus and have taken multiple flu shots over time. I would
never take the shot. I'm not Mr. Tough Guy, these illnesses scare me. But I
genuinely believe the best "cure" for any virus is to get it and live
through it. That's true immunity building. As fat as I'm concerned vaccines
for ever changing varieties of the flu are a hoax and maybe even dangerous.
People need to stop looking for cures for everything. Not getting the flu is
best of all. But if you get it and live through it - odds are 30 to 1 or
better in your favor you won't get it again.

Immuno-analyst #365,867
---
If they do come up with a shot, I won't get it. I don't get the flu shot
either.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, March 7, 2020 at 8:46:04 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>> They said on the radio that a popular restaurant in Seattle normally gets
>> about 100 reservations in one night. Now it's 0-2, thanks to the Corona
>> virus. They are blaming workers being told to stay home. Those workers
>> usually eat their dinner there.
>>
>> I've heard people say that they are afraid to eat produce now and will
>> only
>> eat things from a box, can or jar.
>>
>> Odd thing is... Bothellites seem to be far more wary than Seattleites. My
>> friend went to the Fred Meyer in Shoreline the other day and said it was
>> business as usual. I was at the TJ's near there earlier and didn't see
>> anyone freaked out but they are out of lentils. They are being repackaged
>> won't be back on the shelf till summer.
>>
>> I know I wasn't supposed to go out, but my guy and I wanted to see each
>> other and due to a severe cat allergy, he can't come over here any more.
>> I was headed to his place in Lake City but he messaged me to say he
>> was
>> stuck at work. That's when I went to TJ's. Was going to sit in the
>> parking
>> lot but it was taking so long, I had to go in to use the bathroom. I did
>> buy
>> a couple of things.
>>
>> Yesterday I had to go out for insulin and made a stop at Dollar Tree.
>> Everyone was acting freaked out. Keeping their distance. Only one cashier
>> and she was wiping everything down with disinfectant.
>>
>> How are things in your area?
>
> It's a great time to be OCD.

Ugh. Glad I don't have that!

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>
>> I know I wasn't supposed to go out, but my guy and I wanted to see each
>> other and due to a severe cat allergy, he can't come over here any more.
>> I was headed to his place in Lake City but he messaged me to say he
>> was
>> stuck at work. That's when I went to TJ's. Was going to sit in the
>> parking
>> lot but it was taking so long, I had to go in to use the bathroom. I did
>> buy
>> a couple of things.
>
> Another one of those rambling paragraphs/posts. Why would you sit
> out in the TJ's parking lo..... Oh, never mind.

I said why. He was stuck at work. He lives in a Condo. I couldn't really
park in his lot and wait for him. I'd likely be questioned as to why I was
there.
>
> BTW, you're covered with cat dander. He should be allergic to you,
> too. He's not allergic to anything else? Maybe a bunch of food
> intolerances, too? He can't be 'normal'.

He has a lot of allergies. I took a shower just before I left and put on
freshly washed clothes. I didn't ask about food intolerances but we are very
similar in many ways!

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2020-03-08 3:55 a.m., Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> I know I wasn't supposed to go out, but my guy and I wanted to see each
>>> other and due to a severe cat allergy, he can't come over here any more.
>>> I was headed to his place in Lake City but he messaged me to say he
>>> was
>>> stuck at work. That's when I went to TJ's. Was going to sit in the
>>> parking
>>> lot but it was taking so long, I had to go in to use the bathroom. I did
>>> buy
>>> a couple of things.
>>
>> Another one of those rambling paragraphs/posts. Why would you sit
>> out in the TJ's parking lo..... Oh, never mind.
>>
>> BTW, you're covered with cat dander. He should be allergic to you,
>> too. He's not allergic to anything else? Maybe a bunch of food
>> intolerances, too? He can't be 'normal'.
>>
>
> I was reading between the lines. First he said he can't come there because
> of the cat. When she was going to go there he said he was stuck at work.
> Sounds like he was making up excuses.

Nope. I did go there but wasn't able to stay for long because his son needed
a ride. That wasn't an excuse either. He works at a car lot and got a last
minute customer. I know how that goes. You guys just want to constantly
harsh my mellow.

"songbird" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
> ...
>> How are things in your area?
>
> i think we may try to have a nice lunch out today
> at a local place, it is usually busy enough. we'll
> see...
>
> the time change is likely to throw off some of the
> church crowd.

Okay...

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>
> They said on the radio that a popular restaurant in Seattle normally gets
> about 100 reservations in one night. Now it's 0-2, thanks to the Corona
> virus. They are blaming workers being told to stay home. Those workers
> usually eat their dinner there.
>
> I've heard people say that they are afraid to eat produce now and will
> only
> eat things from a box, can or jar.
>
> Odd thing is... Bothellites seem to be far more wary than Seattleites. My
> friend went to the Fred Meyer in Shoreline the other day and said it was
> business as usual. I was at the TJ's near there earlier and didn't see
> anyone freaked out but they are out of lentils. They are being repackaged
> won't be back on the shelf till summer.
>
> I know I wasn't supposed to go out, but my guy and I wanted to see each
> other and due to a severe cat allergy, he can't come over here any more.
> I was headed to his place in Lake City but he messaged me to say he was
> stuck at work. That's when I went to TJ's. Was going to sit in the parking
> lot but it was taking so long, I had to go in to use the bathroom. I did
> buy
> a couple of things.
>
> Yesterday I had to go out for insulin and made a stop at Dollar Tree.
> Everyone was acting freaked out. Keeping their distance. Only one cashier
> and she was wiping everything down with disinfectant.
>
> How are things in your area?
>
> ======
>
> We went shopping yesterday. D. had sanitizer cloths and liquid and
> surgical gloves. He cleaned the trolley and all the items we bought. At
> our ages we need to be very careful.

Yes. I plan to go to Dollar Tree tomorrow if I can. Quick in and out. Mainly
I need bread and more cheap sponges. They don't have wipes at the door but
oddly enough, I bought a package for the car before this hit. I'll just
bring one with me.

Lowes is coming out to look at my stove. Not sure what time though. They
will call me in the morning.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 10:13:31 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>>
>>Yesterday I had to go out for insulin and made a stop at Dollar Tree.
>>Everyone was acting freaked out. Keeping their distance. Only one cashier
>>and she was wiping everything down with disinfectant.
>>
>>How are things in your area?
>>
>>======
>>
>> We went shopping yesterday. D. had sanitizer cloths and liquid
>> and
>>surgical gloves. He cleaned the trolley and all the items we bought. At
>>our
>>ages we need to be very careful.
>
> Can't you order groceries online and have them delivered?
>
> =====
>
> I could, but I prefer to choose what I see/find. I suppose if things
> got very bad then I would have no choice.

Here, a lot of things that used to be available online are no longer. Such
as rice and beans at Walmart. All in store now.

"U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 7 Mar 2020 22:45:50 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> snip.
>>
>>How are things in your area?
>
> as of today we still have no corona virus in my state. We're going to
> address that lack and have a music festival here despite the virus and
> ask people from everywhere to wash their hands.
> I was going to go to Costco at opening Saturday morning (my usual
> time) and decided I would go Monday or Tuesday morning instead when
> the store is pretty much empty. We old folks are supposed to stay
> home, you know. This would be my regular shopping, nothing special
> except it's stuff I need to get/replace.
> Janet US

I hope they're not sold out like they are here!

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:06:51 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2020-03-08 12:22 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> I've heard people say that they are afraid to eat produce now and will
>>>> only eat things from a box, can or jar.
>>>
>>>> How are things in your area?
>>>
>>> I've not seen much personally yet but some Chinese owned businesses in
>>> the area said sales were off. People have odd logic. Virus started in
>>> China, these every Chinese establishment must have the virus.
>>
>>It's an odd thing. FWIW, they have changed the name of it. Apparently
>>calling it the Corona Virus now supposedly racist. They are calling it
>>Covid 19. I guess that will rid us of the impression that it started in
>>and spread from China.
>
> Misinformation.
>
> -"Corona" doesn't refer to China at all.
> -This virus is one of many corona viruses. Calling it "corona virus"
> is too general. SARS is also a corona virus.

There are many Corona viruses. All different.

On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 23:34:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 10:13:31 -0000, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>Yesterday I had to go out for insulin and made a stop at Dollar Tree.
>>>Everyone was acting freaked out. Keeping their distance. Only one cashier
>>>and she was wiping everything down with disinfectant.
>>>
>>>How are things in your area?
>>>
>>>======
>>>
>>> We went shopping yesterday. D. had sanitizer cloths and liquid
>>> and
>>>surgical gloves. He cleaned the trolley and all the items we bought. At
>>>our
>>>ages we need to be very careful.
>>
>> Can't you order groceries online and have them delivered?
>>
>> =====
>>
>> I could, but I prefer to choose what I see/find. I suppose if things
>> got very bad then I would have no choice.
>
>Here, a lot of things that used to be available online are no longer. Such
>as rice and beans at Walmart. All in store now.

Here, in the supermarket: no toilet paper and a sign saying they were
out of certain vitamins pills due to high demand.

Julie Bove wrote:
....
> Okay...

cancelled until next weekend...


songbird

On 2020-03-09 12:23 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> These people who go into ultra hygiene mode only when the media provokes
> them into it make me feel more sane now about washing my hands and using
> sanitizer even when nothing big is afoot. These now again hygiene typed
> remind me of people who never play the lottery but jump all over it when
> the number gets real big and it's all over the media.
>
> ---
> Thing is, I don't think a lot of them really do go into that mode. They
> just claim they do!
> ---
>
> I wonder what the percentage of people in industrialized nations is who
> have gotten the Corona virus and have taken multiple flu shots over
> time. I would never take the shot. I'm not Mr. Tough Guy, these
> illnesses scare me. But I genuinely believe the best "cure" for any
> virus is to get it and live through it. That's true immunity building.
> As fat as I'm concerned vaccines for ever changing varieties of the flu
> are a hoax and maybe even dangerous. People need to stop looking for
> cures for everything. Not getting the flu is best of all. But if you get
> it and live through it - odds are 30 to 1 or better in your favor you
> won't get it again.
>
> Immuno-analyst #365,867
> ---
> If they do come up with a shot, I won't get it. I don't get the flu shot
> either.
>
Confirming what everyone here already knows: "You are an idiot"!

"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...


"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>
> They said on the radio that a popular restaurant in Seattle normally gets
> about 100 reservations in one night. Now it's 0-2, thanks to the Corona
> virus. They are blaming workers being told to stay home. Those workers
> usually eat their dinner there.
>
> I've heard people say that they are afraid to eat produce now and will
> only
> eat things from a box, can or jar.
>
> Odd thing is... Bothellites seem to be far more wary than Seattleites. My
> friend went to the Fred Meyer in Shoreline the other day and said it was
> business as usual. I was at the TJ's near there earlier and didn't see
> anyone freaked out but they are out of lentils. They are being repackaged
> won't be back on the shelf till summer.
>
> I know I wasn't supposed to go out, but my guy and I wanted to see each
> other and due to a severe cat allergy, he can't come over here any more.
> I was headed to his place in Lake City but he messaged me to say he was
> stuck at work. That's when I went to TJ's. Was going to sit in the parking
> lot but it was taking so long, I had to go in to use the bathroom. I did
> buy
> a couple of things.
>
> Yesterday I had to go out for insulin and made a stop at Dollar Tree.
> Everyone was acting freaked out. Keeping their distance. Only one cashier
> and she was wiping everything down with disinfectant.
>
> How are things in your area?
>
> ======
>
> We went shopping yesterday. D. had sanitizer cloths and liquid and
> surgical gloves. He cleaned the trolley and all the items we bought. At
> our ages we need to be very careful.

Yes. I plan to go to Dollar Tree tomorrow if I can. Quick in and out. Mainly
I need bread and more cheap sponges. They don't have wipes at the door but
oddly enough, I bought a package for the car before this hit. I'll just
bring one with me.

Lowes is coming out to look at my stove. Not sure what time though. They
will call me in the morning.

===

Hopefully they will either fix it or give you a new one!

I think you might know this already but ... if you buy wipes etc, make
sure sure what you buy is antivirus ie high alcohol not antibacteria!

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"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...


"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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> "Bruce" wrote in message
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> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 10:13:31 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>>
>>Yesterday I had to go out for insulin and made a stop at Dollar Tree.
>>Everyone was acting freaked out. Keeping their distance. Only one cashier
>>and she was wiping everything down with disinfectant.
>>
>>How are things in your area?
>>
>>======
>>
>> We went shopping yesterday. D. had sanitizer cloths and liquid
>> and
>>surgical gloves. He cleaned the trolley and all the items we bought. At
>>our
>>ages we need to be very careful.
>
> Can't you order groceries online and have them delivered?
>
> =====
>
> I could, but I prefer to choose what I see/find. I suppose if things
> got very bad then I would have no choice.

Here, a lot of things that used to be available online are no longer. Such
as rice and beans at Walmart. All in store now.

===

I hear a lot of shops have empty shelves but the one I went to, had
plenty of everything! If that will stays good is another matter

I rarely buy food stuff online so I don't know how that is! I think
the problem here is that people rush out to buy everything they can, which
leaves empty shelves, but there isn't really a shortage and the shops soon
order more.

On 06:39 9 Mar 2020, Julie Bove said:

>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:06:51 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2020-03-08 12:22 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've heard people say that they are afraid to eat produce now and will
>>>>> only eat things from a box, can or jar.
>>>>
>>>>> How are things in your area?
>>>>
>>>> I've not seen much personally yet but some Chinese owned businesses in
>>>> the area said sales were off. People have odd logic. Virus started in
>>>> China, these every Chinese establishment must have the virus.
>>>
>>>It's an odd thing. FWIW, they have changed the name of it. Apparently
>>>calling it the Corona Virus now supposedly racist. They are calling it
>>>Covid 19. I guess that will rid us of the impression that it started in
>>>and spread from China.
>>
>> Misinformation.
>>
>> -"Corona" doesn't refer to China at all.
>> -This virus is one of many corona viruses. Calling it "corona virus"
>> is too general. SARS is also a corona virus.
>
> There are many Corona viruses. All different.

Google Assistant on my phone keeps writing "coroner virus" when I use voice
recognition.

Maybe it's my pronunciation.

Either that or Mrs Malaprop has taken over.

On 2020-03-09 11:17 a.m., graham wrote:
> On 2020-03-09 12:23 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:

>> If they do come up with a shot, I won't get it. I don't get the flu
>> shot either.
>>
> Confirming what everyone here already knows: "You are an idiot"!

There is a guy in one of the pickleball groups who is always talking
about healthy living. He and his wife refuse to get vaccinations. They
have both had shingles. She had it last winter. She also got pneumonia.
I have been vaccinated against both. I got the shingles shot a couple
years ago when it was free for people aged 65-70. It turns out that one
is only about 40% effective after a couple years. I found out I can
could get the new one that is 98% effective. Two shots cost me just over
$60, and from what I have heard of it, that would be well worth the
money even if that affliction only lasted one day.

On 2020-03-09 11:50 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-03-09 11:17 a.m., graham wrote:
>> On 2020-03-09 12:23 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>> If they do come up with a shot, I won't get it. I don't get the flu
>>> shot either.
>>>
>> Confirming what everyone here already knows: "You are an idiot"!
>
> There is a guy in one of the pickleball groups who is always talking
> about healthy living. He and his wife refuse to get vaccinations. They
> have both had shingles. She had it last winter. She also got pneumonia.
> I have been vaccinated against both. I got the shingles shot a couple
> years ago when it was free for people aged 65-70. It turns out that one
> is only about 40% effective after a couple years. I found out I can
> could get the new one that is 98% effective. Two shots cost me just over
> $60, and from what I have heard of it, that would be well worth the
> money even if that affliction only lasted one day.

I had the earlier one and had a mild attack of shingles 2 or 3 years ago
that I stopped with anti-virals. I had the rash for just over a week but
only about 12 hours or so of mild pain. In spite of this, my Dr
recommended getting the new one, so I did. Neither was free!! The first
cost about $200 and the second was similarly priced. I did get a free
pneumonia shot but a new one has come out and that was also expensive.

On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 13:05:25 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2020-03-09 11:50 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-03-09 11:17 a.m., graham wrote:
>>> On 2020-03-09 12:23 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>> If they do come up with a shot, I won't get it. I don't get the flu
>>>> shot either.
>>>>
>>> Confirming what everyone here already knows: "You are an idiot"!
>>
>> There is a guy in one of the pickleball groups who is always talking
>> about healthy living. He and his wife refuse to get vaccinations. They
>> have both had shingles. She had it last winter. She also got pneumonia.
>> I have been vaccinated against both. I got the shingles shot a couple
>> years ago when it was free for people aged 65-70. It turns out that one
>> is only about 40% effective after a couple years. I found out I can
>> could get the new one that is 98% effective. Two shots cost me just over
>> $60, and from what I have heard of it, that would be well worth the
>> money even if that affliction only lasted one day.
>
>I had the earlier one and had a mild attack of shingles 2 or 3 years ago
>that I stopped with anti-virals. I had the rash for just over a week but
>only about 12 hours or so of mild pain. In spite of this, my Dr
>recommended getting the new one, so I did. Neither was free!! The first
>cost about $200 and the second was similarly priced. I did get a free
>pneumonia shot but a new one has come out and that was also expensive.

I thought drugs were so much cheaper in Canada. My first shingles
shot was about $25 and the new 2 cost about $90 total
Janet US

On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 14:13:03 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 12:22:22 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> A friend was going to visit around the end of the month but cancelled as
>> she does not want to get on a plane right now and I don't blame her. I
>> see no reason to get into a sealed tube with 150 people right now.
>>
>> Some precautions seem extreme but maybe they will be a big factor in
>> keeping the infection rate down. I saw a segment of CBS Sunday Morning
>> about the 1918 flu and people then thought they were safer outside.
>
>They canceled SXSW which is about $350 million revenue after ticket
>sales. And the festival isn't insured against pandemics (oops).
>SXSW is what keeps many of these bars, hotels, and other venues in
>business the rest of the year. About 300,000 attendees, only about
>25% local.
>
>So now we have all these "woe is us" fundraisers and panhandling
>through the crowd-begging sites. They're scrambling trying to
>salvage what might be left of the festival and all the contracts
>they had for performers, supplies, artwork, banners, and 100's of
>other things now that they can't use them. Not to mention all those
>people who are now suddenly unemployed for those 10-14 days and the
>tips they generated.
>
>Places and even streets downtown would have been packed shoulder to
>shoulder from all over he world. There would have been no better
>place to spread your virus in March than here in Austin.
>
>-sw

I think it is impossible at this time to estimate how big this is
going to be. Just start doing your multiplication tables in your head
cause that is where we are going.
Janet US

On 2020-03-09 2:01 p.m., U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 13:05:25 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2020-03-09 11:50 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2020-03-09 11:17 a.m., graham wrote:
>>>> On 2020-03-09 12:23 a.m., Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>>> If they do come up with a shot, I won't get it. I don't get the flu
>>>>> shot either.
>>>>>
>>>> Confirming what everyone here already knows: "You are an idiot"!
>>>
>>> There is a guy in one of the pickleball groups who is always talking
>>> about healthy living. He and his wife refuse to get vaccinations. They
>>> have both had shingles. She had it last winter. She also got pneumonia.
>>> I have been vaccinated against both. I got the shingles shot a couple
>>> years ago when it was free for people aged 65-70. It turns out that one
>>> is only about 40% effective after a couple years. I found out I can
>>> could get the new one that is 98% effective. Two shots cost me just over
>>> $60, and from what I have heard of it, that would be well worth the
>>> money even if that affliction only lasted one day.
>>
>> I had the earlier one and had a mild attack of shingles 2 or 3 years ago
>> that I stopped with anti-virals. I had the rash for just over a week but
>> only about 12 hours or so of mild pain. In spite of this, my Dr
>> recommended getting the new one, so I did. Neither was free!! The first
>> cost about $200 and the second was similarly priced. I did get a free
>> pneumonia shot but a new one has come out and that was also expensive.
>
> I thought drugs were so much cheaper in Canada. My first shingles
> shot was about $25 and the new 2 cost about $90 total
> Janet US
>
These things vary from Province to Province. They are considered
optional, I suppose. Alberta has a knuckle-dragging, right wing
government. Need I say more?
As a senior, my normal prescriptions are heavily subsidized. For
example, I take a blood thinner that costs $4.50 per pill but I pay $25
for a 90 day supply.

On 2020-03-09 3:05 p.m., graham wrote:
> On 2020-03-09 11:50 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
nfirming what everyone here already knows: "You are an idiot"!
>>
>> There is a guy in one of the pickleball groups who is always talking
>> about healthy living. He and his wife refuse to get vaccinations. They
>> have both had shingles. She had it last winter. She also got
>> pneumonia. I have been vaccinated against both. I got the shingles
>> shot a couple years ago when it was free for people aged 65-70. It
>> turns out that one is only about 40% effective after a couple years. I
>> found out I can could get the new one that is 98% effective. Two shots
>> cost me just over $60, and from what I have heard of it, that would be
>> well worth the money even if that affliction only lasted one day.
>
> I had the earlier one and had a mild attack of shingles 2 or 3 years ago
> that I stopped with anti-virals. I had the rash for just over a week but
> only about 12 hours or so of mild pain. In spite of this, my Dr
> recommended getting the new one, so I did. Neither was free!! The first
> cost about $200 and the second was similarly priced. I did get a free
> pneumonia shot but a new one has come out and that was also expensive.

I know too many people who have had shingles, some of them with serious
cases. I do not want to get it. Thanks to my drug plan, It was only
$14.95 for each does and a $15 charge to inject it, so double that. If I
had to pay the full price I might question the value of it, considering
that it's pretty much a gamble. Only a fraction of the population even
gets shingles, so if you don't get it you can't even know for sure if
you avoided it naturally or if the vaccine worked. Having had the old
vaccine and the two doses of the new one, I am going to be really ****ed
if I do get shingles.

On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 14:05:07 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 14:13:03 -0500, Sqwertz >
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 12:22:22 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> A friend was going to visit around the end of the month but cancelled as
>>> she does not want to get on a plane right now and I don't blame her. I
>>> see no reason to get into a sealed tube with 150 people right now.
>>>
>>> Some precautions seem extreme but maybe they will be a big factor in
>>> keeping the infection rate down. I saw a segment of CBS Sunday Morning
>>> about the 1918 flu and people then thought they were safer outside.
>>
>>They canceled SXSW which is about $350 million revenue after ticket
>>sales. And the festival isn't insured against pandemics (oops).
>>SXSW is what keeps many of these bars, hotels, and other venues in
>>business the rest of the year. About 300,000 attendees, only about
>>25% local.
>>
>>So now we have all these "woe is us" fundraisers and panhandling
>>through the crowd-begging sites. They're scrambling trying to
>>salvage what might be left of the festival and all the contracts
>>they had for performers, supplies, artwork, banners, and 100's of
>>other things now that they can't use them. Not to mention all those
>>people who are now suddenly unemployed for those 10-14 days and the
>>tips they generated.
>>
>>Places and even streets downtown would have been packed shoulder to
>>shoulder from all over he world. There would have been no better
>>place to spread your virus in March than here in Austin.
>>
>>-sw
>
>I think it is impossible at this time to estimate how big this is
>going to be. Just start doing your multiplication tables in your head
>cause that is where we are going.
>Janet US

It seems that the number of new cases is going down in China and South
Korea. I don't know what that means. The Chinese are taking draconic
measures that wouldn't be acceptable in the west.

Maybe it will calm down during spring and summer in the northern
hemisphere. In the meantime, we'll keep it going during our winter,
ready to be handed back in October.

Thank you for partly agreeing with me and allowing me to partly disagree with you in a very agreeable way.

Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
> >
> > They said on the radio that a popular restaurant in Seattle
> > normally gets about 100 reservations in one night. Now it's 0-2,
> > thanks to the Corona virus. They are blaming workers being told to
> > stay home. Those workers usually eat their dinner there.
> >
> > I've heard people say that they are afraid to eat produce now and
> > will only eat things from a box, can or jar.
> >
> > Odd thing is... Bothellites seem to be far more wary than
> > Seattleites. My friend went to the Fred Meyer in Shoreline the
> > other day and said it was business as usual. I was at the TJ's near
> > there earlier and didn't see anyone freaked out but they are out of
> > lentils. They are being repackaged won't be back on the shelf till
> > summer.
> >
> > I know I wasn't supposed to go out, but my guy and I wanted to see
> > each other and due to a severe cat allergy, he can't come over here
> > any more. I was headed to his place in Lake City but he
> > messaged me to say he was stuck at work. That's when I went to
> > TJ's. Was going to sit in the parking lot but it was taking so
> > long, I had to go in to use the bathroom. I did buy a couple of
> > things.
> >
> > Yesterday I had to go out for insulin and made a stop at Dollar
> > Tree. Everyone was acting freaked out. Keeping their distance.
> > Only one cashier and she was wiping everything down with
> > disinfectant.
> >
> > How are things in your area?
> >
> > ======
> >
> > We went shopping yesterday. D. had sanitizer cloths and liquid
> > and surgical gloves. He cleaned the trolley and all the items we
> > bought. At our ages we need to be very careful.
>
> Yes. I plan to go to Dollar Tree tomorrow if I can. Quick in and out.
> Mainly I need bread and more cheap sponges. They don't have wipes at
> the door but oddly enough, I bought a package for the car before this
> hit. I'll just bring one with me.
>
> Lowes is coming out to look at my stove. Not sure what time though.
> They will call me in the morning.

Having a problem with my oven just now but I think we fixed it. Turns
out Don had never used the 'clean' cycle on it and he forgot to put a
cookie sheet under something messy.

Smoke from the drips had him worried. Cleaned it well and set off the
clean cycle. CO2 monitors (we have 3, 2 replaced within the last year,
one at 3yo but was one of the 7 year units), show good. All read the
same. Smoke detector a bit wonky as it goes off often when cooking
anything that makes a little smoke (like blackened fish dishes).

Not the issues you have had but anyone can have a little trouble with a
stove oven.

On 3/8/2020 11:23 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> If they do come up with a shot, I won't get it. I don't get the flu shot
> either.

You're a moron. With any luck, you be one of the culls.

On Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 6:34:14 PM UTC-4, Creme Fraiche wrote:
> On 3/8/2020 11:23 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > If they do come up with a shot, I won't get it. I don't get the flu shot
> > either.
>
> You're a moron. With any luck, you be one of the culls.


It will take a lot of culling to get to me. I had the flu a lot when I was younger. Even though the strains change, my immunity is strong from my earlier suffering. You wish suffering on me, you need a tape of my past to see it. My suffering is over and done with. I look to the future with great positivity even knowing that it's window is narrowly closing on me, same as it is on you and every living thing on this stinking earth. But remember this Mr. or Mz Fraiche, whoever you are - I am not easy to kill and am willing right now to put into escrow any amount of money you desire to be safely held till the result of our bet - who between us will be the first to die - is over. Do you want to bet?