This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that many
people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
water?????

Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will have
your water turned off????

I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those people, at
a time like this, manage with no water?????


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On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 4:20:31 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that many
> people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
> water?????
>
> Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will have
> your water turned off????

That's true. Just like electricity or any other utility.

ISTR that Detroit was putting water shutoffs in abeyance for the duration
of the crisis. I doubt they're turning it back on for people who already
had it shut off, but you never know.

> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those people, at
> a time like this, manage with no water?????

The same way they manage at any other time with no water.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 02:51:17 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 4:20:31 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>> This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that many
>> people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
>> water?????
>>
>> Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will have
>> your water turned off????
>
>That's true. Just like electricity or any other utility.
>
>ISTR that Detroit was putting water shutoffs in abeyance for the duration
>of the crisis. I doubt they're turning it back on for people who already
>had it shut off, but you never know.
>
>> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those people, at
>> a time like this, manage with no water?????
>
>The same way they manage at any other time with no water.

Why does GM keep saying that even the American poor have a higher
standard of living than the average European?

On 4/17/2020 4:51 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 4:20:31 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>> This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that many
>> people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
>> water?????
>>
>> Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will have
>> your water turned off????
> That's true. Just like electricity or any other utility.
>
> ISTR that Detroit was putting water shutoffs in abeyance for the duration
> of the crisis. I doubt they're turning it back on for people who already
> had it shut off, but you never know.
>
>> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those people, at
>> a time like this, manage with no water?????
> The same way they manage at any other time with no water.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Â* What about those people in Flint that can't use the city water
because it's poisoning them with lead ? I wonder what the Democratic
leaders did with the money that should have been spent to upgrade
infrastructure ?

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On 4/17/2020 5:42 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
> On 4/17/2020 4:51 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 4:20:31 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>>> This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that many
>>> people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
>>> water?????
>>>
>>> Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will have
>>> your water turned off????
>> That's true. Just like electricity or any other utility.
>>
>> ISTR that Detroit was putting water shutoffs in abeyance for the duration
>> of the crisis. I doubt they're turning it back on for people who already
>> had it shut off, but you never know.
>>
>>> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those people, at
>>> a time like this, manage with no water?????
>> The same way they manage at any other time with no water.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Â* What about those people in Flint that can't use the city water
> because it's poisoning them with lead ? I wonder what the Democratic
> leaders did with the money that should have been spent to upgrade
> infrastructure ?
>

Or the bribes they took from the unions to not update the building code.

Terry Coombs wrote:
....
> Â* What about those people in Flint that can't use the city water
> because it's poisoning them with lead ? I wonder what the Democratic
> leaders did with the money that should have been spent to upgrade
> infrastructure ?

they've been replacing pipes. costs a lot of $.
not sure how far they are towards being finished but
i do know they've made progress.


songbird

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 4:20:31 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that many
> people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
> water?????
>
> Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will have
> your water turned off????

That's true. Just like electricity or any other utility.

ISTR that Detroit was putting water shutoffs in abeyance for the duration
of the crisis. I doubt they're turning it back on for people who already
had it shut off, but you never know.

> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those people,
> at
> a time like this, manage with no water?????

The same way they manage at any other time with no water.

Cindy Hamilton
====

But for domestic water?

UK regulations:

"Can a water company cut me off? No, a water company
cannot cut off the supply to a domestic property if you
currently live in it.

Despite this it's still important to pay any arrears
to avoid the risk of court action."

I am shocked that is not the same everywhere


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On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 10:08:16 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 4:20:31 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> > This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that many
> > people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
> > water?????
> >
> > Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will have
> > your water turned off????
>
> That's true. Just like electricity or any other utility.
>
> ISTR that Detroit was putting water shutoffs in abeyance for the duration
> of the crisis. I doubt they're turning it back on for people who already
> had it shut off, but you never know.
>
> > I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those people,
> > at
> > a time like this, manage with no water?????
>
> The same way they manage at any other time with no water.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
> ====
>
> But for domestic water?
>
> UK regulations:
>
> "Can a water company cut me off? No, a water company
> cannot cut off the supply to a domestic property if you
> currently live in it.
>
> Despite this it's still important to pay any arrears
> to avoid the risk of court action."
>
> I am shocked that is not the same everywhere

Yes, for domestic water.

Think about everything you know of the United States. It's all of a piece.

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 10:08:16 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 4:20:31 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> > This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that many
> > people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
> > water?????
> >
> > Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will have
> > your water turned off????
>
> That's true. Just like electricity or any other utility.
>
> ISTR that Detroit was putting water shutoffs in abeyance for the duration
> of the crisis. I doubt they're turning it back on for people who already
> had it shut off, but you never know.
>
> > I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those people,
> > at
> > a time like this, manage with no water?????
>
> The same way they manage at any other time with no water.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
> ====
>
> But for domestic water?
>
> UK regulations:
>
> "Can a water company cut me off? No, a water company
> cannot cut off the supply to a domestic property if you
> currently live in it.
>
> Despite this it's still important to pay any arrears
> to avoid the risk of court action."
>
> I am shocked that is not the same everywhere

Don't forget: the United States isn't a nation so much as 50 separate
nations. Each state has their own laws for most things, per our
Constitution.

Cindy Hamilton

On 4/18/2020 9:37 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 10:08:16 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 4:20:31 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>>> This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that many
>>> people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
>>> water?????
>>>
>>> Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will have
>>> your water turned off????
>>
>> That's true. Just like electricity or any other utility.
>>
>> ISTR that Detroit was putting water shutoffs in abeyance for the duration
>> of the crisis. I doubt they're turning it back on for people who already
>> had it shut off, but you never know.
>>
>>> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those people,
>>> at
>>> a time like this, manage with no water?????
>>
>> The same way they manage at any other time with no water.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>> ====
>>
>> But for domestic water?
>>
>> UK regulations:
>>
>> "Can a water company cut me off? No, a water company
>> cannot cut off the supply to a domestic property if you
>> currently live in it.
>>
>> Despite this it's still important to pay any arrears
>> to avoid the risk of court action."
>>
>> I am shocked that is not the same everywhere
>
> Don't forget: the United States isn't a nation so much as 50 separate
> nations. Each state has their own laws for most things, per our
> Constitution.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
People in other countries don't understand. There are tons of different
water, electric and gas companies, all different depending upon where
you live in this vast country.

She heard a report on the radio. Is there an article to back it up? If
so I'd like to read it. Sounds like scaremongering but maybe that's
just me. <shrug>

Jill

In article >, says...
> People in other countries don't understand. There are tons of different
> water, electric and gas companies, all different depending upon where
> you live in this vast country.

Exactly the same in the UK. But our national laws ban ALL
service providers of water, from cutting the water supply from domestic
homes(regardless of whether the property is owned or rented by the
occupants). That ban includes landlords of rented property.

>
> She heard a report on the radio.

Of course; reports of it are all over UK national media. Just like the
world sees and hear American prostesters crowding together and
demanding the right to ignore covid-control restrictions, and Trump
egging them on.


Is there an article to back it up? If
> so I'd like to read it.

Yes, I've posted the USA research link, AND quotes from that USA
research on water cut-offs. The evidence of water cut-offs came from a
national US survey of US water supply companies who voluntarily
provided that information.


If you can't find my posts or re-quotes of it, just google "water
cut-offs in USA" for yourself.

It beggars belief that the richest nation in the world knowingly
permits millions of its citizens to live in third world conditions,
without running water.


Janet UK

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 06:37:50 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 10:08:16 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:

>> I am shocked that is not the same everywhere
>
>Don't forget: the United States isn't a nation so much as 50 separate
>nations. Each state has their own laws for most things, per our
>Constitution.

It's basically an EU.

Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 06:37:50 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 10:08:16 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>
>>> I am shocked that is not the same everywhere
>>
>> Don't forget: the United States isn't a nation so much as 50 separate
>> nations. Each state has their own laws for most things, per our
>> Constitution.
>
> It's basically an EU.
>

Yes. It's "united States". And none of the states therein allow
****ing assholes like you to participate. You must first become a
citizen, and live in one of one of the states, if you want to
participate.

Otherwise you can just **** off, and go back to holland.

Got it now Gruce?

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 4:20:31 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that many
> people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
> water?????
>
> Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will have
> your water turned off????

That's true. Just like electricity or any other utility.

ISTR that Detroit was putting water shutoffs in abeyance for the duration
of the crisis. I doubt they're turning it back on for people who already
had it shut off, but you never know.

> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those people,
> at
> a time like this, manage with no water?????

The same way they manage at any other time with no water.

Cindy Hamilton
====

But for domestic water?

UK regulations:

"Can a water company cut me off? No, a water company
cannot cut off the supply to a domestic property if you
currently live in it.

Despite this it's still important to pay any arrears
to avoid the risk of court action."

I am shocked that is not the same everywhere


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On 4/17/2020 10:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton"Â* wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 4:20:31 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>> This morning I had a big shock!Â* There was a report on the radio that
>> many
>> people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
>> water?????
>>
>> Is that true!Â* You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
>> have
>> your water turned off????
>
> That's true.Â* Just like electricity or any other utility.
>
> ISTR that Detroit was putting water shutoffs in abeyance for the duration
> of the crisis.Â* I doubt they're turning it back on for people who already
> had it shut off, but you never know.
>
>> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!!Â*Â* How on earth can those people,
>> at
>> a time like this, manage with no water?????
>
> The same way they manage at any other time with no water.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
> ====
>
> But for domestic water?
>
> Â*Â*Â* UK regulations:
>
> Â*Â*Â* "Can a water company cut me off? No, a water company
> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* cannot cut off the supply to a domestic property if you
> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* currently live in it.
>
> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Despite this it's still important to pay any arrears
> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* to avoid the risk of court action."
>
> I am shocked that is not the same everywhere
>
Unless you have a *well* you pay whatever local company there is to
provide water. Yes, they expect you to pay the bill.

People don't always have a choice about where to get their water. When
I lived in west Tennessee, even though I didn't live within the Memphis
city limits, it was provided by Memphis Light Gas & Water. It's not as
if I could shop around for a different water provider or an electric
provider, either. Here in Beaufort County, water is provided by
Beaufort Jasper Water Authority. (Jasper is an adjoining county.)
Electricity and gas (if gas in an option) is a totally different company.

During this pandemic it is up to the individual providers as to whether
or not they shut off services. I've not heard of any running around
willy nilly shutting off water or electricity because suddenly people
can't pay the monthly bill. They aren't charging late fees or racking
up penalties for non-payment. They aren't disconnecting service due to
lack of payment. That would make them look *really* bad. But at some
point they do expect to be paid.

They're the ones maintaining the infrastructure and they have to pay
their employees. The billing clerks can work from home, sure. But the
people out repairing broken water mains and electric and gas lines are
still out there on the job so people won't have to go without essential
services.

People are being asked to pay as much as they can (even if it's just a
couple of dollars) each month so when this pandemic is finally over they
won't be hit with huge bills in arrears.

Jill

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 4:20:31 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that many
> people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
> water?????
>
> Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will have
> your water turned off????

That's true. Just like electricity or any other utility.

ISTR that Detroit was putting water shutoffs in abeyance for the duration
of the crisis. I doubt they're turning it back on for people who already
had it shut off, but you never know.

> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those people,
> at
> a time like this, manage with no water?????

The same way they manage at any other time with no water.

Cindy Hamilton

====

Not here! See my other post!!!!





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On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 3:20:31 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that many
> people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
> water?????
>
> Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will have
> your water turned off????
>
> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those people, at
> a time like this, manage with no water?????
>

That is one thing we in St Louis MO USA will never run low on, as STL is at the confluence of two of the largest rivers in the United States, the Mississippi and Missouri rivers. And I have kayaked on them both!

John Kuthe...

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 8:32:58 AM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 3:20:31 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> > This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that many
> > people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
> > water?????
> >
> > Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will have
> > your water turned off????
> >
> > I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those people, at
> > a time like this, manage with no water?????
> >
>
> That is one thing we in St Louis MO USA will never run low on, as STL is at the confluence of two of the largest rivers in the United States, the Mississippi and Missouri rivers. And I have kayaked on them both!
>
> John Kuthe...

Jesus Wept! If you didn't pay your water bill, your water would be shut
off. It doesn't matter how much fetid crap rolls down the rivers to
St. Louis.

Cindy Hamilton

On 4/17/2020 8:55 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 8:32:58 AM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 3:20:31 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
>>> This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that many
>>> people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
>>> water?????
>>>
>>> Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will have
>>> your water turned off????
>>>
>>> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those people, at
>>> a time like this, manage with no water?????
>>>
>> That is one thing we in St Louis MO USA will never run low on, as STL is at the confluence of two of the largest rivers in the United States, the Mississippi and Missouri rivers. And I have kayaked on them both!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
> Jesus Wept! If you didn't pay your water bill, your water would be shut
> off. It doesn't matter how much fetid crap rolls down the rivers to
> St. Louis.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Â* I'm glad our water here comes from deep wells . Those folks in Da Loo
are drinking the effluent from the sewage processing plants of all the
cities upstream ... yecccch !

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On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> This morning I had a big shock!Â* There was a report on the radio that
> many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
> water?????
>
> Is that true!Â* You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
> have your water turned off????
>
> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!!Â*Â* How on earth can those people,
> at a time like this, manage with no water?????
>

Rare, but can happen. How many were shut off? Very few of the 320
million of us. Getting water to a house does have a cost. Most are
probably a year or more behind and made no attempt to resolve the
situation.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that many
> people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
> water?????
>
> Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will have
> your water turned off????
>
> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those people,
> at a time like this, manage with no water?????
>

Rare, but can happen. How many were shut off? Very few of the 320
million of us. Getting water to a house does have a cost. Most are
probably a year or more behind and made no attempt to resolve the
situation
===

Oh I am so sorry that it can happen( If you read my other post(s)
(apols for that)

Any houses we live in in UK cannot have their water shut off Yes we can
be taken to court and we can be fined, but not cut off

It is a terrifying thought.



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On 4/17/2020 10:29 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski"Â* wrote in message ...
>
> On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> This morning I had a big shock!Â* There was a report on the radio that
>> many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't
>> have water?????
>>
>> Is that true!Â* You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
>> have your water turned off????
>>
>> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!!Â*Â* How on earth can those
>> people, at a time like this, manage with no water?????
>>
>
> Rare, but can happen.Â* How many were shut off?Â* Very few of the 320
> million of us.Â* Getting water to a house does have a cost.Â* Most are
> probably a year or more behind and made no attempt to resolve the
> situation
> ===
>
> Â*Oh I am so sorry that it can happen(Â* If you read my other post(s)
> (apols forÂ* that)
>
> Â*Any houses we live in in UK cannot have their water shut offÂ* Yes we
> can be taken to court and we can be fined, but not cut off
>
> Â*It is a terrifying thought.
>
>
>
Not really. There are ways to get help. If the water gets shut off you
can be sure they are true deadbeats with no intention of ever paying.
It is not because they are 10 days late, it is because they are years
late and living in squalor.

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 16:58:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/17/2020 10:29 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski"Â* wrote in message ...
>>
>> Rare, but can happen.Â* How many were shut off?Â* Very few of the 320
>> million of us.Â* Getting water to a house does have a cost.Â* Most are
>> probably a year or more behind and made no attempt to resolve the
>> situation
>> ===
>>
>> Â*Oh I am so sorry that it can happen(Â* If you read my other post(s)
>> (apols forÂ* that)
>>
>> Â*Any houses we live in in UK cannot have their water shut offÂ* Yes we
>> can be taken to court and we can be fined, but not cut off
>>
>> Â*It is a terrifying thought.
>>
>Not really. There are ways to get help. If the water gets shut off you
>can be sure they are true deadbeats with no intention of ever paying.
>It is not because they are 10 days late, it is because they are years
>late and living in squalor.

You have a lot of deadbeats then.

"Each year, millions of Americans have their water turned off as a
result of unpaid water bills. The organization Food & Water Watch
estimates that water was cut off to 15 million people in 2016, based
on information provided by utility companies. "
<https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-transactions/can-a-utility-company-shut-off-my-water-without-notice.html>

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 3:58:40 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Not really. There are ways to get help. If the water gets shut off you
> can be sure they are true deadbeats with no intention of ever paying.
> It is not because they are 10 days late, it is because they are years
> late and living in squalor.
>
I knew of a family and from a friend their water had been cut off for a few
years. It seems they owed well over $600 in arrears and never attempted to
do a payment plan. They just got their water daily from a service/station
market they lived next door to.

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:00:47 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 3:58:40 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> Not really. There are ways to get help. If the water gets shut off you
>> can be sure they are true deadbeats with no intention of ever paying.
>> It is not because they are 10 days late, it is because they are years
>> late and living in squalor.
>>
>I knew of a family and from a friend their water had been cut off for a few
>years. It seems they owed well over $600 in arrears and never attempted to
>do a payment plan. They just got their water daily from a service/station
>market they lived next door to.

How did they shower and flush the toilet?

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

On 4/17/2020 10:29 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...
>
> On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that
>> many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't
>> have water?????
>>
>> Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
>> have your water turned off????
>>
>> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! How on earth can those
>> people, at a time like this, manage with no water?????
>>
>
> Rare, but can happen. How many were shut off? Very few of the 320
> million of us. Getting water to a house does have a cost. Most are
> probably a year or more behind and made no attempt to resolve the
> situation
> ===
>
> Oh I am so sorry that it can happen( If you read my other post(s)
> (apols for that)
>
> Any houses we live in in UK cannot have their water shut off Yes we
> can be taken to court and we can be fined, but not cut off
>
> It is a terrifying thought.
>
>
>
Not really. There are ways to get help. If the water gets shut off you
can be sure they are true deadbeats with no intention of ever paying.
It is not because they are 10 days late, it is because they are years
late and living in squalor.

====

I expect you are correct but that is how it is here.




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In article >, says...
>
> On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > This morning I had a big shock!* There was a report on the radio that
> > many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
> > water?????
> >
> > Is that true!* You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
> > have your water turned off????
> >
> > I have never heard of such a thing!!!!!** How on earth can those people,
> > at a time like this, manage with no water?????
> >
>
> Rare, but can happen. How many were shut off? Very few of the 320
> million of us.


FSV of "rare, very few"

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ns-us-at-risk-
losing-running-water-amid-layoffs-triggered-coronavirus-pandemic


" in 2016, one in every 20 households were disconnected by public
water departments, leaving an estimated 15 million Americans without
running water."

In the coming downturn there's going to be a lot more unemployed
Americans at risk of unpaid water bills

Janet UK

On 4/17/2020 5:53 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> This morning I had a big shock!* There was a report on the radio that
>>> many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
>>> water?????
>>>
>>> Is that true!* You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
>>> have your water turned off????
>>>
>>> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!!** How on earth can those people,
>>> at a time like this, manage with no water?????
>>>
>>
>> Rare, but can happen. How many were shut off? Very few of the 320
>> million of us.
>
>
> FSV of "rare, very few"
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ns-us-at-risk-
> losing-running-water-amid-layoffs-triggered-coronavirus-pandemic
>
>
> " in 2016, one in every 20 households were disconnected by public
> water departments, leaving an estimated 15 million Americans without
> running water."
>
> In the coming downturn there's going to be a lot more unemployed
> Americans at risk of unpaid water bills
>
> Janet UK
>
Sounds awfully high. Even in the low income areas it is rare to hear of
it. But hey, have fun,

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:18:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/17/2020 5:53 PM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This morning I had a big shock!Â* There was a report on the radio that
>>>> many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
>>>> water?????
>>>>
>>>> Is that true!Â* You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
>>>> have your water turned off????
>>>>
>>>> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!!Â*Â* How on earth can those people,
>>>> at a time like this, manage with no water?????
>>>>
>>>
>>> Rare, but can happen. How many were shut off? Very few of the 320
>>> million of us.
>>
>>
>> FSV of "rare, very few"
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ns-us-at-risk-
>> losing-running-water-amid-layoffs-triggered-coronavirus-pandemic
>>
>>
>> " in 2016, one in every 20 households were disconnected by public
>> water departments, leaving an estimated 15 million Americans without
>> running water."
>>
>> In the coming downturn there's going to be a lot more unemployed
>> Americans at risk of unpaid water bills
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>Sounds awfully high. Even in the low income areas it is rare to hear of
>it. But hey, have fun,

Could it be that you have no idea what goes on in da hood?

On 4/17/2020 9:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:18:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 4/17/2020 5:53 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>> On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This morning I had a big shock!Â* There was a report on the radio that
>>>>> many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
>>>>> water?????
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that true!Â* You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
>>>>> have your water turned off????
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!!Â*Â* How on earth can those people,
>>>>> at a time like this, manage with no water?????
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rare, but can happen. How many were shut off? Very few of the 320
>>>> million of us.
>>>
>>>
>>> FSV of "rare, very few"
>>>
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ns-us-at-risk-
>>> losing-running-water-amid-layoffs-triggered-coronavirus-pandemic
>>>
>>>
>>> " in 2016, one in every 20 households were disconnected by public
>>> water departments, leaving an estimated 15 million Americans without
>>> running water."
>>>
>>> In the coming downturn there's going to be a lot more unemployed
>>> Americans at risk of unpaid water bills
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> Sounds awfully high. Even in the low income areas it is rare to hear of
>> it. But hey, have fun,
>
> Could it be that you have no idea what goes on in da hood?
>
Maybe. I've known plenty of people that had gas and electric shut off,
don't know of water.

In article >, says...
>
> On 4/17/2020 5:53 PM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >> On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This morning I had a big shock!* There was a report on the radio that
> >>> many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
> >>> water?????
> >>>
> >>> Is that true!* You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
> >>> have your water turned off????
> >>>
> >>> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!!** How on earth can those people,
> >>> at a time like this, manage with no water?????
> >>>
> >>
> >> Rare, but can happen. How many were shut off? Very few of the 320
> >> million of us.
> >
> >
> > FSV of "rare, very few"
> >
> > https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ns-us-at-risk-
> > losing-running-water-amid-layoffs-triggered-coronavirus-pandemic
> >
> >
> > " in 2016, one in every 20 households were disconnected by public
> > water departments, leaving an estimated 15 million Americans without
> > running water."
> >
> > In the coming downturn there's going to be a lot more unemployed
> > Americans at risk of unpaid water bills
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> Sounds awfully high. Even in the low income areas it is rare to hear of
> it. But hey, have fun,

Here's the figures according to a nationwide survey of US water supply
companies.

https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/ne...15-million-us-
residents-had-water-shut-2016

"Top findings of the survey include:

Fifteen utilities reported shutoff rates of more than 10 percent.
The states with the highest shutoff rates are mostly concentrated in
the South ? Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana and Florida.
Jacksonville, Florida?s high shutoff rate?16 percent?affected 41,311
households, or an estimated 107,409 people.
Phoenix, Arizona?s shutoff rate, 9 percent, affected over 33,000
households, or 94,000 people. Tucson, Arizona had the highest shutoff
rate in the West, at 11 percent.
High rates of shutoffs occurred in midwestern states including South
Dakota, Iowa, Michigan and Wisconsin.
There is no data for four states including New Jersey and West
Virginia, where private companies operate the two largest utilities.
Only one private company responded to the survey, representing a 9
percent response rate. The response rate of public utilities was 93
percent.
The highest shutoff rates were disproportionately in cities with
more people living in poverty, more unemployment and more people of
color.

While the average city with the most shutoffs is low-income, not all
low-income cities engage in mass shutoffs. Jackson, Mississippi had high
rates of poverty (31 percent) and a zero percent shutoff rate. Jackson
has not had a water or sewer rate increase since voters approved an
increase to the sales tax to help improve the city?s infrastructure.
Meanwhile, some cities surveyed, like Eau Claire, Wisconsin and
Leominster, Massachusetts do not shut off water service for non-payment
at all."

Janet UK

On 4/18/2020 7:37 AM, Janet wrote:

>
> Here's the figures according to a nationwide survey of US water supply
> companies.
>
> https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/ne...15-million-us-
> residents-had-water-shut-2016

> The highest shutoff rates were disproportionately in cities with
> more people living in poverty, more unemployment and more people of
> color.

> Janet UK
>

Not sure how they call that disproportionately. I would expect poverty
areas to have a higher incidence of late bill payment than the well to
do areas.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that
> > many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
> > water?????
> >
> > Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
> > have your water turned off????
> >
> > I have never heard of such a thing!!!!!  How on earth can those people,
> > at a time like this, manage with no water?????
> >
>
> Rare, but can happen. How many were shut off? Very few of the 320
> million of us. Getting water to a house does have a cost. Most are
> probably a year or more behind and made no attempt to resolve the
> situation.

I agree with you, Ed. In this fairly short time where people have
lost income and might be late paying bills, I seriouly doubt
having
your water cut off is due to this situation. You will get several
notices to pay before they resort to a cut-off.

Even then, rather than just ignoring bills, it's always best to
call them up and explain your situation. Many are often willing
to help you work something out.

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 05:27:03 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> >
>> > This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that
>> > many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
>> > water?????
>> >
>> > Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
>> > have your water turned off????
>> >
>> > I have never heard of such a thing!!!!!  How on earth can those people,
>> > at a time like this, manage with no water?????
>> >
>>
>> Rare, but can happen. How many were shut off? Very few of the 320
>> million of us. Getting water to a house does have a cost. Most are
>> probably a year or more behind and made no attempt to resolve the
>> situation.
>
>I agree with you, Ed. In this fairly short time where people have
>lost income and might be late paying bills, I seriouly doubt
>having
>your water cut off is due to this situation. You will get several
>notices to pay before they resort to a cut-off.

Do you think what Ophelia saw on UK TV was fake news?

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 05:27:03 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>
> >> On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >
> >> > This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that
> >> > many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
> >> > water?????
> >> >
> >> > Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
> >> > have your water turned off????
> >> >
> >> > I have never heard of such a thing!!!!!  How on earth can those people,
> >> > at a time like this, manage with no water?????
> >> >
> >>
> >> Rare, but can happen. How many were shut off? Very few of the 320
> >> million of us. Getting water to a house does have a cost. Most are
> >> probably a year or more behind and made no attempt to resolve the
> >> situation.
> >
> >I agree with you, Ed. In this fairly short time where people have
> >lost income and might be late paying bills, I seriouly doubt
> >having
> >your water cut off is due to this situation. You will get several
> >notices to pay before they resort to a cut-off.
>
> Do you think what Ophelia saw on UK TV was fake news?

No but UK laws are different from US laws.

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:14:16 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 05:27:03 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that
>> >> > many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
>> >> > water?????
>> >> >
>> >> > Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
>> >> > have your water turned off????
>> >> >
>> >> > I have never heard of such a thing!!!!!  How on earth can those people,
>> >> > at a time like this, manage with no water?????
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Rare, but can happen. How many were shut off? Very few of the 320
>> >> million of us. Getting water to a house does have a cost. Most are
>> >> probably a year or more behind and made no attempt to resolve the
>> >> situation.
>> >
>> >I agree with you, Ed. In this fairly short time where people have
>> >lost income and might be late paying bills, I seriouly doubt
>> >having
>> >your water cut off is due to this situation. You will get several
>> >notices to pay before they resort to a cut-off.
>>
>> Do you think what Ophelia saw on UK TV was fake news?
>
>No but UK laws are different from US laws.

The laws are different in most areas of the US regarding whether the
property is owned or rented... if a tenant is in a private home the
water and electricity can't be turned off until the the tenant is
taken to court for eviction and the landlord prevails... and still the
court will grant the tenant so many days (10?) to vacate before the
Sheriff arrives to remove the tenant and place all their belongs at
the curb... and the crew that the Sheriff brings is not at all
careful, they just throw stuff in the road. Typical deadbeat tenants
know this so make sure to move out with their stuff in time. The last
two tenants I had in my little rental house were evicted they didn't
own much so they moved out on the last day with hours to spare but the
courts didn't do a thing about the damages they did. And so that is
when I gave up and had the house demolished and removed... cost us
$10,000 but was worth it not having to be at the mercy of POS tenants.
We applied for a property tax decrease and were granted a $1,500 a
year decrease. So in the end it was worth it not being a landlord to
dreck. That little house is gone and the property restored as if it
were never there, we kept the detached garage and the well.

The courts don't go after the POS tenants for money damages as they
have no money and don't work, plus putting them in jail only costs the
tax payers more. There are lots of tenants who move constantly and
never pay any rent, however they find money for drugs. The last
couple weren't married but since she had a 7-8 year old child she got
public assitance plus pain pills for her back problem, and I don't
know for certain but I'm pretty sure she was prostituting herself for
drug money for both of them... there were lots of different guys
driving up and staying there for an hour or two during the night. The
child lived with his real father but would visit a couple times a
week. The woman looked in her mid twenties and decent looking...
drugs can screw anyone up... she was zonked out in bed most every day.

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:14:16 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 05:27:03 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > This morning I had a big shock!Àš There was a report on the radio that
>> >> > many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
>> >> > water?????
>> >> >
>> >> > Is that true!Àš You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
>> >> > have your water turned off????
>> >> >
>> >> > I have never heard of such a thing!!!!!Àš Àš How on earth can those people,
>> >> > at a time like this, manage with no water?????
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Rare, but can happen. How many were shut off? Very few of the 320
>> >> million of us. Getting water to a house does have a cost. Most are
>> >> probably a year or more behind and made no attempt to resolve the
>> >> situation.
>> >
>> >I agree with you, Ed. In this fairly short time where people have
>> >lost income and might be late paying bills, I seriouly doubt
>> >having
>> >your water cut off is due to this situation. You will get several
>> >notices to pay before they resort to a cut-off.
>>
>> Do you think what Ophelia saw on UK TV was fake news?
>
>No but UK laws are different from US laws.

But it was about the US.

On 4/18/2020 5:41 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 05:27:03 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that
>>>> many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
>>>> water?????
>>>>
>>>> Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
>>>> have your water turned off????
>>>>
>>>> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!!  How on earth can those people,
>>>> at a time like this, manage with no water?????
>>>>
>>>
>>> Rare, but can happen. How many were shut off? Very few of the 320
>>> million of us. Getting water to a house does have a cost. Most are
>>> probably a year or more behind and made no attempt to resolve the
>>> situation.
>>
>> I agree with you, Ed. In this fairly short time where people have
>> lost income and might be late paying bills, I seriouly doubt
>> having
>> your water cut off is due to this situation. You will get several
>> notices to pay before they resort to a cut-off.
>
> Do you think what Ophelia saw on UK TV was fake news?
>
I'd not say fake but news people often take bland reports and
sensationalize them. I've heard nothing on the news here about water
shutoffs.

If it was a big problem some of the news outlets here would have picked
it up too. Keep in mind, in 50 states there are thousands of water
suppliers. Did they take what one or two are doing and extrapolate that
the entire country does the same? I don't know. No one here knows.

On 4/18/2020 9:48 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/18/2020 5:41 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 05:27:03 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This morning I had a big shock!ÂÂ* There was a report on the radio that
>>>>> many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't
>>>>> have
>>>>> water?????
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that true!ÂÂ* You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
>>>>> have your water turned off????
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! ÂÂ* How on earth can those
>>>>> people,
>>>>> at a time like this, manage with no water?????
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rare, but can happen.Â* How many were shut off?Â* Very few of the 320
>>>> million of us.Â* Getting water to a house does have a cost.Â* Most are
>>>> probably a year or more behind and made no attempt to resolve the
>>>> situation.
>>>
>>> I agree with you, Ed. In this fairly short time where people have
>>> lost income and might be late paying bills, I seriouly doubt
>>> having
>>> your water cut off is due to this situation. You will get several
>>> notices to pay before they resort to a cut-off.
>>
>> Do you think what Ophelia saw on UK TV was fake news?
>>
> I'd not say fake but news people often take bland reports and
> sensationalize them.Â* I've heard nothing on the news here about water
> shutoffs.
>
> If it was a big problem some of the news outlets here would have picked
> it up too.Â* Keep in mind, in 50 states there are thousands of water
> suppliers.Â* Did they take what one or two are doing and extrapolate that
> the entire country does the same?Â* I don't know.Â* No one here knows.

I sure as heck haven't heard anything on the news about people having
their water shut off due to lack of payment as a result of the Covid-19
pandemic. That's not the sort of thing mainstream media would ignore.

What I'm hearing *locally* is if you can't pay your bill because you've
been laid off due to the virus they are waiving late fees and penalties.
They are not cutting off essential services such as water, electricity
or gas (where applicable). They do expect to be paid at some point.

Jill

In article >, says...
>
> On 4/18/2020 5:41 AM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 05:27:03 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 4/17/2020 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> This morning I had a big shock! There was a report on the radio that
> >>>> many people in USA were having a difficult time because they don't have
> >>>> water?????
> >>>>
> >>>> Is that true! You have to pay water bills and if you don't, you will
> >>>> have your water turned off????
> >>>>
> >>>> I have never heard of such a thing!!!!!  How on earth can those people,
> >>>> at a time like this, manage with no water?????
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Rare, but can happen. How many were shut off? Very few of the 320
> >>> million of us. Getting water to a house does have a cost. Most are
> >>> probably a year or more behind and made no attempt to resolve the
> >>> situation.
> >>
> >> I agree with you, Ed. In this fairly short time where people have
> >> lost income and might be late paying bills, I seriouly doubt
> >> having
> >> your water cut off is due to this situation. You will get several
> >> notices to pay before they resort to a cut-off.
> >
> > Do you think what Ophelia saw on UK TV was fake news?
> >
> I'd not say fake but news people often take bland reports and
> sensationalize them. I've heard nothing on the news here about water
> shutoffs.

deaf and blind? Try googling "USA water cut-offs"
>
> If it was a big problem some of the news outlets here would have picked
> it up too.



Keep in mind, in 50 states there are thousands of water
> suppliers. Did they take what one or two are doing and extrapolate that
> the entire country does the same? I don't know. No one here knows.


"Food and Water Watch, a prominent (USA) national research and advocacy
group, tried a fresh approach earlier this year. To get a handle on the
most basic data ? the number of shutoffs ? the group sent requests to
the two largest water utilities in each state. The group asked for the
number of residential households disconnected from water service in 2016
and the number of residential accounts.

Seventy-three utilities responded. Shutoff rates ? the number of shutoff
households divided by the number of accounts ? varied widely, according
to Food and Water Watch?s report, which was published in October. Rates
ranged from 23 percent in Oklahoma City and 20 percent in Tulsa, to 1
percent in Baltimore, Boston, and Dallas. Three utilities ? Eau Claire,
Wisconsin; Leominster, Massachusetts; and the Champlain Water District
in Vermont ? did not shut off any homes in 2016."

Janet