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On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622

I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
(Sorry, Mr Aloha.)

On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>
> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
> (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)

I knew it. I read a Detroit newspaper every day.

Cindy Hamilton

On 11:21 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:

> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>
>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
>> (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>
> I knew it. I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still expect
water to be available.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 03:21:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>
>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
>> (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>
>I knew it. I read a Detroit newspaper every day.

Good on you.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 11:21 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>
>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>>
>>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
>>> (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>>
>> I knew it. I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
>UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still expect
>water to be available.

Huh?

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 20:42:16 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
>wrote:
>
>>On 11:21 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>>
>>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>>>
>>>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
>>>> (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>>>
>>> I knew it. I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>>UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still expect
>>water to be available.
>
>Huh?

Oh, a frogger.

On 11:42 24 Apr 2020, Bruce said:

> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>>On 11:21 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>>
>>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>>>
>>>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are
>>>> white. (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>>>
>>> I knew it. I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>>UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still
>>expect water to be available.
>
> Huh?

Did you miss the discussion where US customers had their water cut off for
not paying their bill? UK customers still get water even if they don't pay
their water bill. Ophelia approves of UK customers who don't pay for their
water.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 11:21 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>
>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>>
>>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
>>> (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>>
>> I knew it. I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
>UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still
>expect
>water to be available.

Huh?

===

LOL Oh dear, is he still trying to put me down LOL





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On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:10:24 +0100, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 11:42 24 Apr 2020, Bruce said:
>
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 11:21 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>>>>
>>>>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are
>>>>> white. (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>>>>
>>>> I knew it. I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>
>>>UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still
>>>expect water to be available.
>>
>> Huh?
>
>Did you miss the discussion where US customers had their water cut off for
>not paying their bill? UK customers still get water even if they don't pay
>their water bill. Ophelia approves of UK customers who don't pay for their
>water.

I think it's irresponsible to cut off people's water supply,
especially during this corona crisis. That doesn't mean I approve of
people not paying for their water.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:14:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
>wrote:
>
>>On 11:21 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>>
>>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>>>
>>>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
>>>> (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>>>
>>> I knew it. I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>>UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still
>>expect
>>water to be available.
>
>Huh?
>
>===
>
> LOL Oh dear, is he still trying to put me down LOL

Most of the time he's very reasonable, but sometimes he
short-circuits.

On 12:27 24 Apr 2020, Bruce said:

> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:10:24 +0100, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>>On 11:42 24 Apr 2020, Bruce said:
>>
>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 11:21 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are
>>>>>> white. (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I knew it. I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still
>>>>expect water to be available.
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>
>>Did you miss the discussion where US customers had their water cut off
>>for not paying their bill? UK customers still get water even if they
>>don't pay their water bill. Ophelia approves of UK customers who don't
>>pay for their water.
>
> I think it's irresponsible to cut off people's water supply, especially
> during this corona crisis. That doesn't mean I approve of people not
> paying for their water.

How do you square that circle? If someone gets water they should pay for
it. If the government thinks it's some sort of human right to get water
then the government could pay their bill for them. Either way, someone
has to pay for water.

Ophelia rejoices in the UK system where water is always supplied
irrespective of any mounting debts but that creates a moral hazard and
saves up trouble for the future.

On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:10:24 +0100, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
> >On 11:42 24 Apr 2020, Bruce said:
> >
> >> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 11:21 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
> >>>
> >>>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are
> >>>>> white. (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
> >>>>
> >>>> I knew it. I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still
> >>>expect water to be available.
> >>
> >> Huh?
> >
> >Did you miss the discussion where US customers had their water cut off for
> >not paying their bill? UK customers still get water even if they don't pay
> >their water bill. Ophelia approves of UK customers who don't pay for their
> >water.
>
> I think it's irresponsible to cut off people's water supply,
> especially during this corona crisis. That doesn't mean I approve of
> people not paying for their water.

You'd think that the sane thing to do is to pass a law mandating nonpayment
fines and prohibiting shutoffs. In a democracy the people can make that
happen. Because nobody gives a shit about poor black people in Detroit
and they don't have the wherewithal to make the effort themselves, nothing
happens.

Because of the way the U.S. is structured, you'd have to pass that law
thousands of times in thousands of jurisdictions.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:41:38 +0100, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 12:27 24 Apr 2020, Bruce said:
>
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:10:24 +0100, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 11:42 24 Apr 2020, Bruce said:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still
>>>>>expect water to be available.
>>>>
>>>> Huh?
>>>
>>>Did you miss the discussion where US customers had their water cut off
>>>for not paying their bill? UK customers still get water even if they
>>>don't pay their water bill. Ophelia approves of UK customers who don't
>>>pay for their water.
>>
>> I think it's irresponsible to cut off people's water supply, especially
>> during this corona crisis. That doesn't mean I approve of people not
>> paying for their water.
>
>How do you square that circle? If someone gets water they should pay for
>it. If the government thinks it's some sort of human right to get water
>then the government could pay their bill for them. Either way, someone
>has to pay for water.
>
>Ophelia rejoices in the UK system where water is always supplied
>irrespective of any mounting debts but that creates a moral hazard and
>saves up trouble for the future.

Especially during this crisis, you don't want your poor to not have
water. Poor people also come in contact with not so poor people and
one of them may be a hermaphrodite called Pamela.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 04:42:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:10:24 +0100, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 11:42 24 Apr 2020, Bruce said:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still
>> >>>expect water to be available.
>> >>
>> >> Huh?
>> >
>> >Did you miss the discussion where US customers had their water cut off for
>> >not paying their bill? UK customers still get water even if they don't pay
>> >their water bill. Ophelia approves of UK customers who don't pay for their
>> >water.
>>
>> I think it's irresponsible to cut off people's water supply,
>> especially during this corona crisis. That doesn't mean I approve of
>> people not paying for their water.
>
>You'd think that the sane thing to do is to pass a law mandating nonpayment
>fines and prohibiting shutoffs. In a democracy the people can make that
>happen. Because nobody gives a shit about poor black people in Detroit
>and they don't have the wherewithal to make the effort themselves, nothing
>happens.
>
>Because of the way the U.S. is structured, you'd have to pass that law
>thousands of times in thousands of jurisdictions.

Yes, I agree.

On 4/24/2020 6:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>> On 11:21Â* 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>>
>>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>>>
>>>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
>>>> (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>>>
>>> I knew it.Â* I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>> UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but
>> still expect
>> water to be available.
>
> Huh?
>
> ===
>
> Â* LOL Oh dear, is he still trying to put me down LOL

Â* No dear , he just wants to sniff your ass . Just swat him across the
nose with a rolled up newspaper . If that doesn't work use a baseballÂ* bat .

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On 12:50 24 Apr 2020, Bruce said:

> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:41:38 +0100, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>>On 12:27 24 Apr 2020, Bruce said:
>>
>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:10:24 +0100, Pamela >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 11:42 24 Apr 2020, Bruce said:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but
>>>>>>still expect water to be available.
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh?
>>>>
>>>>Did you miss the discussion where US customers had their water cut off
>>>>for not paying their bill? UK customers still get water even if they
>>>>don't pay their water bill. Ophelia approves of UK customers who
>>>>don't pay for their water.
>>>
>>> I think it's irresponsible to cut off people's water supply,
>>> especially during this corona crisis. That doesn't mean I approve of
>>> people not paying for their water.
>>
>>How do you square that circle? If someone gets water they should pay
>>for it. If the government thinks it's some sort of human right to get
>>water then the government could pay their bill for them. Either way,
>>someone has to pay for water.
>>
>>Ophelia rejoices in the UK system where water is always supplied
>>irrespective of any mounting debts but that creates a moral hazard and
>>saves up trouble for the future.
>
> Especially during this crisis, you don't want your poor to not have
> water. Poor people also come in contact with not so poor people

The UK government has been ladling out money during the coronavirus crisis
and could, if it chose, pay the water bill of anyone it wished. As it is,
many companies are not chasing outstanding payments at the moment as there
has been so much financial upset. There's little question of anyone in
the UK not having access to water at present. However chronically not
paying your water bill, despite warnings, is another matter.

> and one of them may be a hermaphrodite called Pamela.

Gratuitious insult noted.

On 13:16 24 Apr 2020, Terry Coombs said:

> On 4/24/2020 6:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11:21Â* 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>>>>
>>>>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are
>>>>> white. (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>>>>
>>>> I knew it.Â* I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>
>>> UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but
>>> still expect
>>> water to be available.
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>> ===
>>
>> * LOL Oh dear, is he still trying to put me down LOL
>
> No dear , he just wants to sniff your ass .

Terry, you shouldn't assume everyne shares your habits.

> Just swat him across the
> nose with a rolled up newspaper . If that doesn't work use a baseball*
> bat .

Don't encourage Ophelia into folly or you run the risk of one of her
spontaneous online breakdowns she is famous for.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
> >
> > I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
> > (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)

Surely white Americans are taught to read at school?

Janet UK

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 04:42:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:10:24 +0100, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 11:42 24 Apr 2020, Bruce said:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still
>> >>>expect water to be available.
>> >>
>> >> Huh?
>> >
>> >Did you miss the discussion where US customers had their water cut off
>> >for
>> >not paying their bill? UK customers still get water even if they don't
>> >pay
>> >their water bill. Ophelia approves of UK customers who don't pay for
>> >their
>> >water.
>>
>> I think it's irresponsible to cut off people's water supply,
>> especially during this corona crisis. That doesn't mean I approve of
>> people not paying for their water.
>
>You'd think that the sane thing to do is to pass a law mandating nonpayment
>fines and prohibiting shutoffs. In a democracy the people can make that
>happen. Because nobody gives a shit about poor black people in Detroit
>and they don't have the wherewithal to make the effort themselves, nothing
>happens.
>
>Because of the way the U.S. is structured, you'd have to pass that law
>thousands of times in thousands of jurisdictions.

Yes, I agree.

====

Is that MR pammy having a go at me LOLOL

He never knows when to give up!!


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On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 8:36:21 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
> > >
> > > I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
> > > (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>
> Surely white Americans are taught to read at school?

They are (for the most part).

But many of them choose not to read, or choose not to read about poor people.
The issue of water shutoffs has been in the national news from time to time,
and more frequently in the last couple of months.

Cindy Hamilton

"Terry Coombs" wrote in message ...

On 4/24/2020 6:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>> On 11:21 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>>
>>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>>>
>>>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
>>>> (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>>>
>>> I knew it. I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>> UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still
>> expect
>> water to be available.
>
> Huh?
>
> ===
>
> LOL Oh dear, is he still trying to put me down LOL

No dear , he just wants to sniff your ass . Just swat him across the
nose with a rolled up newspaper . If that doesn't work use a baseball bat .

Snag

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"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:14:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
>wrote:
>
>>On 11:21 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>>
>>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>>>
>>>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
>>>> (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>>>
>>> I knew it. I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>>UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still
>>expect
>>water to be available.
>
>Huh?
>
>===
>
> LOL Oh dear, is he still trying to put me down LOL

Most of the time he's very reasonable, but sometimes he
short-circuits.

====

I am not interested at all. He spent a very long time trying to put me
down, so I just can't be bothered reading him.

Seems like he is doing it again, yes? He is a nasty piece of work!!







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On 4/24/2020 7:24 AM, Pamela wrote:
> On 13:16 24 Apr 2020, Terry Coombs said:
>
>> On 4/24/2020 6:14 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11:21ÂÂ* 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>>>>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are
>>>>>> white. (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>>>>> I knew it.ÂÂ* I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>> UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but
>>>> still expect
>>>> water to be available.
>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Â* LOL Oh dear, is he still trying to put me down LOL
>> No dear , he just wants to sniff your ass .
> Terry, you shouldn't assume everyne shares your habits.

Â* Oooooohh , I'm so insulted ! Nah , not really . I just consider the
source .
>
>> Just swat him across the
>> nose with a rolled up newspaper . If that doesn't work use a baseball
>> bat .
>
Â* Your bait smells almost as bad as your crotch .

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Bruce wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>
> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
> (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)

Did I never mention that I'm a black American? I didn't ever
think that part was important.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:17:32 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 8:36:21 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> >
>> > On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> > > On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>> > >
>> > > I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
>> > > (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>>
>> Surely white Americans are taught to read at school?
>
>They are (for the most part).
>
>But many of them choose not to read, or choose not to read about poor people.
>The issue of water shutoffs has been in the national news from time to time,
>and more frequently in the last couple of months.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

You'd be surprised at how many well off people neglect to pay their
utility bills.

On 2020-04-24 7:10 a.m., Pamela wrote:

>>> UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still
>>> expect water to be available.
>>
>> Huh?
>
> Did you miss the discussion where US customers had their water cut off for
> not paying their bill? UK customers still get water even if they don't pay
> their water bill. Ophelia approves of UK customers who don't pay for their
> water.
>


She is on a par with a lot of the left leaning crew. They are full of
sympathy for pikers who mooch of the work of others but want the
government to provide more and more. The city of Toronto is a prime
example. They like the idea of being a sanctuary city and allowing
access to medical care, education, day care and welfare for people who
are in the country illegally, but then they complain when their is not
enough funding for other projects.

On 2020-04-24 7:41 a.m., Pamela wrote:

> How do you square that circle? If someone gets water they should pay for
> it. If the government thinks it's some sort of human right to get water
> then the government could pay their bill for them. Either way, someone
> has to pay for water.
>
> Ophelia rejoices in the UK system where water is always supplied
> irrespective of any mounting debts but that creates a moral hazard and
> saves up trouble for the future.
>


I wonder what would happen if none of us paid. I resent the idea that
those of us who pay our bills have to pay more for the products in order
to cover the cost of those who don't pay. Perhaps the payers should
mount a massive pay strike and refuse to pay anything until the non
payers chip in their share.

On 2020-04-24 7:42 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:10:24 +0100, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11:42 24 Apr 2020, Bruce said:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11:21 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are
>>>>>>> white. (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I knew it. I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still
>>>>> expect water to be available.
>>>>
>>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> Did you miss the discussion where US customers had their water cut off for
>>> not paying their bill? UK customers still get water even if they don't pay
>>> their water bill. Ophelia approves of UK customers who don't pay for their
>>> water.
>>
>> I think it's irresponsible to cut off people's water supply,
>> especially during this corona crisis. That doesn't mean I approve of
>> people not paying for their water.
>
> You'd think that the sane thing to do is to pass a law mandating nonpayment
> fines and prohibiting shutoffs. In a democracy the people can make that
> happen. Because nobody gives a shit about poor black people in Detroit
> and they don't have the wherewithal to make the effort themselves, nothing
> happens.

I pointed out a couple days ago that a lot of those that have been shut
off for non payment had been abandoned homes and buildings. The plumping
starts to deteriorate and the places get flooded, and it's all processed
municipal water going to waste.

On 16:31 24 Apr 2020, Dave Smith said:

> On 2020-04-24 7:10 a.m., Pamela wrote:
>
>>>> UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but
>>>> still expect water to be available.
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>
>> Did you miss the discussion where US customers had their water cut off
>> for not paying their bill? UK customers still get water even if they
>> don't pay their water bill. Ophelia approves of UK customers who don't
>> pay for their water.
>
> She is on a par with a lot of the left leaning crew. They are full of
> sympathy for pikers who mooch of the work of others but want the
> government to provide more and more.

Human Rights, don't you know.

> The city of Toronto is a prime
> example. They like the idea of being a sanctuary city and allowing
> access to medical care, education, day care and welfare for people who
> are in the country illegally, but then they complain when their is not
> enough funding for other projects.

The very concept of a sanctuary city so strange that when I first encountered
them I had to look up what it meant. It's institutionalised lawlessness.
What's remarkable is many Americans speak in support of them with a straight
face. Don't get me started!

On 2020-04-24 1:11 p.m., Pamela wrote:
> On 16:31 24 Apr 2020, Dave Smith said:
>
>> On 2020-04-24 7:10 a.m., Pamela wrote:
>>
>>>>> UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but
>>>>> still expect water to be available.
>>>>
>>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> Did you miss the discussion where US customers had their water cut off
>>> for not paying their bill? UK customers still get water even if they
>>> don't pay their water bill. Ophelia approves of UK customers who don't
>>> pay for their water.
>>
>> She is on a par with a lot of the left leaning crew. They are full of
>> sympathy for pikers who mooch of the work of others but want the
>> government to provide more and more.
>
> Human Rights, don't you know.
>
>> The city of Toronto is a prime
>> example. They like the idea of being a sanctuary city and allowing
>> access to medical care, education, day care and welfare for people who
>> are in the country illegally, but then they complain when their is not
>> enough funding for other projects.
>
> The very concept of a sanctuary city so strange that when I first encountered
> them I had to look up what it meant. It's institutionalised lawlessness.
> What's remarkable is many Americans speak in support of them with a straight
> face. Don't get me started!
>


It is a strange concept. We have social programs here that are supported
by the citizens and taxpayers. We have laws restrict who can come to
our countries, who can come for a visit, who is allowed to work here.
We have processes for people to apply to immigrate and for the
acceptance of refugees. Despite those laws in place and people hired to
enforce them, we get people sneaking in and living here illegally.
AFAIAC only people who are living here legally should be entitled to
benefit from social programs.


We have a strange situation here with "asylum seekers" crossing
illegally and putting in refugee claims. They are crossing at
"irregular" points because if they had entered the country at a regular
manned entry they would be turned back because they are coming from a
safe third country.

Our prime minister opened his mouth and issued a welcome to them because
he wanted to look like a better person than Trump, who was threatening
to send back all the phony refugees whose claims had been rejected.

Last month the border was closed to everyone except Canadians and
American citizens, and then it was further restricted to Americans on
essential business. Yet, the "irregular" crossings were still active.
They announced that those were to be shut down. Just a couple days ago
the announced they were going to a start letting them in again. It
turned out that the had been letting them in the whole time. No one else
was allowed to cross the border, but they are letting the fraudulent
immigrants come in.

We have record numbers of people who are suddenly unemployed and
business that are shut down, many of which will likely close
permanently. Our shelters are full. We have nothing to give. Before we
pat ourselveson our backs for being so much nice than the US we should
be reminded that those people had chosen the US first and they are only
coming here because the US had determined that they are just bad
immigration applicants with high rates of criminality, not refugees.

On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 7:11:35 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
> On 16:31 24 Apr 2020, Dave Smith said:
>
> > On 2020-04-24 7:10 a.m., Pamela wrote:
> >
> >>>> UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but
> >>>> still expect water to be available.
> >>>
> >>> Huh?
> >>
> >> Did you miss the discussion where US customers had their water cut off
> >> for not paying their bill? UK customers still get water even if they
> >> don't pay their water bill. Ophelia approves of UK customers who don't
> >> pay for their water.
> >
> > She is on a par with a lot of the left leaning crew. They are full of
> > sympathy for pikers who mooch of the work of others but want the
> > government to provide more and more.
>
> Human Rights, don't you know.
>
> > The city of Toronto is a prime
> > example. They like the idea of being a sanctuary city and allowing
> > access to medical care, education, day care and welfare for people who
> > are in the country illegally, but then they complain when their is not
> > enough funding for other projects.
>
> The very concept of a sanctuary city so strange that when I first encountered
> them I had to look up what it meant. It's institutionalised lawlessness.
> What's remarkable is many Americans speak in support of them with a straight
> face. Don't get me started!

The concept of a place of refuge has a long history in humans and traverses many cultures. My guess is that there's an innate part of the human mind that realizes that all laws are not fair and that there should be a loophole to escape the laws of man and to keep alive a faint glimmer of hope in the human consciousness. Some people think it's the path to wanton lawlessness.. I consider it to be a time honored and an important tradition/need of the human species.

https://bigislandhikes.com/puuhonua-o-honaunau-park

On 2020-04-24 1:48 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 7:11:35 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:

>>> She is on a par with a lot of the left leaning crew. They are
>>> full of sympathy for pikers who mooch of the work of others but
>>> want the government to provide more and more.
>>
>> Human Rights, don't you know.
>>
>>> The city of Toronto is a prime example. They like the idea of
>>> being a sanctuary city and allowing access to medical care,
>>> education, day care and welfare for people who are in the country
>>> illegally, but then they complain when their is not enough
>>> funding for other projects.
>>
>> The very concept of a sanctuary city so strange that when I first
>> encountered them I had to look up what it meant. It's
>> institutionalised lawlessness. What's remarkable is many Americans
>> speak in support of them with a straight face. Don't get me
>> started!
>
> The concept of a place of refuge has a long history in humans and
> traverses many cultures. My guess is that there's an innate part of
> the human mind that realizes that all laws are not fair and that
> there should be a loophole to escape the laws of man and to keep
> alive a faint glimmer of hope in the human consciousness. Some people
> think it's the path to wanton lawlessness. I consider it to be a time
> honored and an important tradition/need of the human species.

I don't think anyone here is saying that there are no legitimate
refugees. They are entitled to put in request and to have a hearing. A
lot of refugee claims are rejected. We also have a process for
legitimate immigration. The problem is that they have to go to the
lengthy and expensive application process with no guarantee that they
will be accepted. Many find it much easier to just show up and claim
refugee status. They are immediately eligible for welfare, housing,
schooling and other benefits. If their claims are rejected they just go
underground.

I know people who work at the border and one thing that impresses them
is the similarity of so many of their stories. There is a network that
passes around all sorts of information about the best times and places
to cross and what to tell the officers.

The safe third country is a legitimate means of dealing with refuge
shopping, going from one country to another to get the best deal. Bear
in mind that, while each case is heard individually, there are thousands
and thousands more waiting to be heard. A country can only handle so
many refugees and give them a chance to assimilate into our society.
It's no picnic dealing with large numbers of refugees, especially the
legitimate ones, because they carry a lot of emotional baggage. They
have seen horrible things.

Canada and the US see a lot of refugees from central America. They claim
to be escaping from gang violence and drug cartels. We take them in and
end up have violent drug gangs on our streets.

On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 8:34:30 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-04-24 1:48 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 7:11:35 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>
> >>> She is on a par with a lot of the left leaning crew. They are
> >>> full of sympathy for pikers who mooch of the work of others but
> >>> want the government to provide more and more.
> >>
> >> Human Rights, don't you know.
> >>
> >>> The city of Toronto is a prime example. They like the idea of
> >>> being a sanctuary city and allowing access to medical care,
> >>> education, day care and welfare for people who are in the country
> >>> illegally, but then they complain when their is not enough
> >>> funding for other projects.
> >>
> >> The very concept of a sanctuary city so strange that when I first
> >> encountered them I had to look up what it meant. It's
> >> institutionalised lawlessness. What's remarkable is many Americans
> >> speak in support of them with a straight face. Don't get me
> >> started!
> >
> > The concept of a place of refuge has a long history in humans and
> > traverses many cultures. My guess is that there's an innate part of
> > the human mind that realizes that all laws are not fair and that
> > there should be a loophole to escape the laws of man and to keep
> > alive a faint glimmer of hope in the human consciousness. Some people
> > think it's the path to wanton lawlessness. I consider it to be a time
> > honored and an important tradition/need of the human species.
>
> I don't think anyone here is saying that there are no legitimate
> refugees. They are entitled to put in request and to have a hearing. A
> lot of refugee claims are rejected. We also have a process for
> legitimate immigration. The problem is that they have to go to the
> lengthy and expensive application process with no guarantee that they
> will be accepted. Many find it much easier to just show up and claim
> refugee status. They are immediately eligible for welfare, housing,
> schooling and other benefits. If their claims are rejected they just go
> underground.
>
> I know people who work at the border and one thing that impresses them
> is the similarity of so many of their stories. There is a network that
> passes around all sorts of information about the best times and places
> to cross and what to tell the officers.
>
> The safe third country is a legitimate means of dealing with refuge
> shopping, going from one country to another to get the best deal. Bear
> in mind that, while each case is heard individually, there are thousands
> and thousands more waiting to be heard. A country can only handle so
> many refugees and give them a chance to assimilate into our society.
> It's no picnic dealing with large numbers of refugees, especially the
> legitimate ones, because they carry a lot of emotional baggage. They
> have seen horrible things.
>
> Canada and the US see a lot of refugees from central America. They claim
> to be escaping from gang violence and drug cartels. We take them in and
> end up have violent drug gangs on our streets.

Near as I can tell, we'll just have to give people the benefit of a doubt and then sort it out later. I'm very comfortable living with that. OTOH, the key to a strong and vibrant United States is to have fresh, unjaded, unpampered, blood brought in from elsewhere. We need people that are willing to grab hold of this land of opportunity and build something out of it. We don't need people sitting back and bitching about all manner of things.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 13:22:07 +0100, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 12:50 24 Apr 2020, Bruce said:
>
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:41:38 +0100, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Ophelia rejoices in the UK system where water is always supplied
>>>irrespective of any mounting debts but that creates a moral hazard and
>>>saves up trouble for the future.
>>
>> Especially during this crisis, you don't want your poor to not have
>> water. Poor people also come in contact with not so poor people
>
>The UK government has been ladling out money during the coronavirus crisis
>and could, if it chose, pay the water bill of anyone it wished. As it is,
>many companies are not chasing outstanding payments at the moment as there
>has been so much financial upset. There's little question of anyone in
>the UK not having access to water at present. However chronically not
>paying your water bill, despite warnings, is another matter.

So we agree on not cutting people's water off during this crisis, even
if they don't pay. And we also agree on the fact that people should
pay their water bills, even though they won't be cut off. What do we
disagree about then?

>> and one of them may be a hermaphrodite called Pamela.
>
>Gratuitious insult noted.

Insult? I'm only referring to the fact that you're a man who uses a
woman's name. Would you rather be called gender fluid?

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:31:46 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-04-24 7:10 a.m., Pamela wrote:
>
>>>> UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still
>>>> expect water to be available.
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>
>> Did you miss the discussion where US customers had their water cut off for
>> not paying their bill? UK customers still get water even if they don't pay
>> their water bill. Ophelia approves of UK customers who don't pay for their
>> water.
>>
>
>
>She is on a par with a lot of the left leaning crew. They are full of
>sympathy for pikers who mooch of the work of others but want the
>government to provide more and more. The city of Toronto is a prime
>example. They like the idea of being a sanctuary city and allowing
>access to medical care, education, day care and welfare for people who
>are in the country illegally, but then they complain when their is not
>enough funding for other projects.

Friends who went to Canada said it was very off-putting how many
homeless people there were in the cities and how nobody seems to do
anything for or about them.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:35:08 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-04-24 7:41 a.m., Pamela wrote:
>
>> How do you square that circle? If someone gets water they should pay for
>> it. If the government thinks it's some sort of human right to get water
>> then the government could pay their bill for them. Either way, someone
>> has to pay for water.
>>
>> Ophelia rejoices in the UK system where water is always supplied
>> irrespective of any mounting debts but that creates a moral hazard and
>> saves up trouble for the future.
>>
>
>
>I wonder what would happen if none of us paid. I resent the idea that
>those of us who pay our bills have to pay more for the products in order
>to cover the cost of those who don't pay. Perhaps the payers should
>mount a massive pay strike and refuse to pay anything until the non
>payers chip in their share.

Dave Smith's biggest fear: someone gets something that he doesn't get.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:37:19 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:14:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:24:26 +0100, Pamela >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 11:21 24 Apr 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>>>
>>>> I knew it. I read a Detroit newspaper every day.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>
>>>UK scammers like Ophelia don't want to pay their water bills but still
>>>expect
>>>water to be available.
>>
>>Huh?
>>
>>===
>>
>> LOL Oh dear, is he still trying to put me down LOL
>
>Most of the time he's very reasonable, but sometimes he
>short-circuits.
>
>====
>
> I am not interested at all. He spent a very long time trying to put me
>down, so I just can't be bothered reading him.
>
> Seems like he is doing it again, yes? He is a nasty piece of work!!

It's a bit weird of him to conclude that you don't want to pay your
water bill. He's short-circuiting.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 13:36:16 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> > On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>> >
>> > I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
>> > (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>
> Surely white Americans are taught to read at school?

Take Ed. He can read. But does he know what's happening outside his
little world?

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:53:41 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:17:32 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 8:36:21 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>> >
>>> > On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:53:49 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> > > On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:39:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52384622
>>> > >
>>> > > I think RFC Americans don't know this because RFC Americans are white.
>>> > > (Sorry, Mr Aloha.)
>>>
>>> Surely white Americans are taught to read at school?
>>
>>They are (for the most part).
>>
>>But many of them choose not to read, or choose not to read about poor people.
>>The issue of water shutoffs has been in the national news from time to time,
>>and more frequently in the last couple of months.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>You'd be surprised at how many well off people neglect to pay their
>utility bills.

How many?