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On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 11:09:20 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
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> To be effective, a spank has to
> be immediate so they associate their action with the discomfort that
> followed.
>

True. This "just wait until I get you home!" is just hot air. The kid
knows nothing is going to happen when s/he gets home and the parent knows
nothing is going to happen when they get home.
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On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 11:09:20 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-05-18 11:16 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 16 May 2020 11:22:54 -0700 (PDT), "
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 12:34:24 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> My grandmother used a strip of small dried bamboo with splits in the
> >>>> end. It really hurt lol
> >>>>
> >>> My mother pretty much used a switch, had to be green so it would be flexible,
> >>> and several leaves left on the end to give that extra sting.
> >>>
> >>> A childhood girlfriends mother used a paddle her husband made with small
> >>> holes drilled in it. He always admonished her when the kids were hellions
> >>> "Don't threaten, do!"
> >>>
> >>> A girl at work used a ping pong paddle on her son. She said it was a great
> >>> attention getter (his).
> >>
> >> My daughter once said she hated those Dr Scholl wooden sandals I wore
> >> when they were kids, very useful sometimes having them right there
> >> with you

> >
> > One morning, when my daughter was age 3-4, my wife and I were in
> > the kitchen talking and she came in and kept doing something
> > annoying (don't remember what). I finally turned to her and said,
> > "If you don't stop that, I'm going to spank you."
> >
> > To our surprise, she immediately turned and ran back into her
> > bedroom and shut the door.
> >
> > About 5 minutes later she came back and looked at me defiantly
> > and said, "Go ahead and spank me dad, see if I care!"
> >

>
> My son got a few spankings when he was young. There were no props used,
> just quick smack of the hand. Beating a child will only make the kid
> blame and hate the one who beats them. To be effective, a spank has to
> be immediate so they associate their action with the discomfort that
> followed.


Why? Was he beyond using REASON with? Or were you unable to communicate with him on that basis?

I NEVER struck my son for punishment, ever! I was spanked as a child, and I resented it each and every time, and vowed never to spank. One time I felt like spanking I was so angry, but that was all in me. So I BROKE THAT CHAIN!

A swat is not a spank. Nor is a stern look of disapproval.

John Kuthe...
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On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 11:59:59 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
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> Just a quick swat, not hard
> enough to inflict pain. It was just a gesture to show extreme
> disapproval.
>

I'm going to disagree. The swat should be hard enough to inflict pain
but by no means leave lasting pain or marks. If you're just swatting
to show disapproval the punishment is not remembered therefore no real
incentive to not do whatever they did to warrant a swat again.
>
> Very often, just a frown or even a raised eyebrow did the trick.
>

My father could give one of those withering looks and if you did something
to warrant another disapproving glance then you knew you were in deep, deep
trouble.
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On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 1:18:04 PM UTC-5, Father of the Year, John
Kuthe wrote:
>
> On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 11:09:20 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > My son got a few spankings when he was young.

>
> Why? Was he beyond using REASON with? Or were you unable to communicate with him on that basis?
>

Mr. Dad of the Year, some children respond positively to a talking/dressing
down and reasoning with them. Some children react to toys and privileges
being taken away to modify their behavior. While some children only react
to a spanking for punishment. Each child is different and you cannot lump
them all into the 'reasoning with them' category.
>
> I NEVER struck my son for punishment, ever! I was spanked as a child, and I resented it each and every time, and vowed never to spank. One time I felt like spanking I was so angry, but that was all in me. So I BROKE THAT CHAIN!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your Dad of the Year Award is in the mail.
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On 5/18/2020 6:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-05-18 1:05 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 6:09:20 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:

> iscomfort that followed.
>>
>> The old timers would tell me of getting popped with the flat palm of
>> the hand on their ear. Evidently, this lead to broken eardrums. That
>> was shocking to me. As disciplinary tactics goes, this seems more
>> like a US Navy Seals hand to hand combat technique.
>>

>
> Isn't that what happened to the guy in It's a Wonderful Life?


Dunno. But it happened to Thomas Alva Edison.


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On 5/18/2020 9:58 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> My son got a few spankings when he was young. There were no props used,
>> just quick smack of the hand.

>
> Same here with my children, Dave. Just a quick swat, not hard
> enough to inflict pain. It was just a gesture to show extreme
> disapproval.
>
> Very often, just a frown or even a raised eyebrow did the trick.
>
> Speaking of children, I need to call my daughter soon.
> Today is her birthday.
>
> And again...don't forget Sheldon here. His birthday today
> too.
>



Can I just call your daughter, instead of calling Sheldon?
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On Mon, 18 May 2020 11:14:26 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 11:09:20 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> To be effective, a spank has to
>> be immediate so they associate their action with the discomfort that
>> followed.
>>

>True. This "just wait until I get you home!" is just hot air. The kid
>knows nothing is going to happen when s/he gets home and the parent knows
>nothing is going to happen when they get home.


Parents today seem to think a swat is bad but all this time out and
lengthy lecturing does nothing. My kids knew if they behaved in a
store, I might, might, give them a couple of bucks to spend at the end
but if they didn't, it was out to the car and home which even if
inconvenient, always worked. They liked going in shops and they knew
they had to be civil if they wanted to stay there. It's a question of
action and reaction and it's a fast teacher.
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On 2020-05-18 2:17 p.m., John Kuthe wrote:
> On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 11:09:20 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:


>>
>> My son got a few spankings when he was young. There were no props
>> used, just quick smack of the hand. Beating a child will only make
>> the kid blame and hate the one who beats them. To be effective, a
>> spank has to be immediate so they associate their action with the
>> discomfort that followed.

>
> Why? Was he beyond using REASON with? Or were you unable to
> communicate with him on that basis?
>
> I NEVER struck my son for punishment, ever! I was spanked as a child,
> and I resented it each and every time, and vowed never to spank. One
> time I felt like spanking I was so angry, but that was all in me. So
> I BROKE THAT CHAIN!
>



Good for you. And when was the last time you saw your son. My visits
weekly and calls 3-4 times a week.


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On 2020-05-18 2:30 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> On 5/18/2020 6:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> The old timers would tell me of getting popped with the flat palm of
>>> the hand on their ear. Evidently, this lead to broken eardrums. That
>>> was shocking to me. As disciplinary tactics goes, this seems more
>>> like a US Navy Seals hand to hand combat technique.
>>>

>>
>> Isn't that what happened to the guy in It's a Wonderful Life?

>
> Dunno. But it happened to Thomas Alva Edison.


Hmmm.. maybe it knocked some smarts into him.



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S Viemeister wrote:
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> On 5/18/2020 6:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2020-05-18 1:05 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> >> On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 6:09:20 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:

> > iscomfort that followed.
> >>
> >> The old timers would tell me of getting popped with the flat palm of
> >> the hand on their ear. Evidently, this lead to broken eardrums. That
> >> was shocking to me. As disciplinary tactics goes, this seems more
> >> like a US Navy Seals hand to hand combat technique.
> >>

> >
> > Isn't that what happened to the guy in It's a Wonderful Life?

>
> Dunno. But it happened to Thomas Alva Edison.


Supposedly to Beethoven too by having his ears boxed as a
child by his father when he made piano mistakes. That one
is still up for debate though but probably contributed to
his eventual deafness in his 20's.
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Taxed and Spent wrote:
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> On 5/18/2020 9:58 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> My son got a few spankings when he was young. There were no props used,
> >> just quick smack of the hand.

> >
> > Same here with my children, Dave. Just a quick swat, not hard
> > enough to inflict pain. It was just a gesture to show extreme
> > disapproval.
> >
> > Very often, just a frown or even a raised eyebrow did the trick.
> >
> > Speaking of children, I need to call my daughter soon.
> > Today is her birthday.
> >
> > And again...don't forget Sheldon here. His birthday today
> > too.
> >

>
> Can I just call your daughter, instead of calling Sheldon?


Time to hang up now and call her. I'll pass on your birthday
wish.
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On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 2:22:35 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
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> S Viemeister wrote:
> >
> > On 5/18/2020 6:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > Isn't that what happened to the guy in It's a Wonderful Life?

> >
> > Dunno. But it happened to Thomas Alva Edison.

>
> Supposedly to Beethoven too by having his ears boxed as a
> child by his father when he made piano mistakes. That one
> is still up for debate though but probably contributed to
> his eventual deafness in his 20's.
>

They don't know what caused Beethoven's deafness. But he did suffer
dreadfully from tinnitus before going deaf.
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On 2020-05-18 2:48 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Mon, 18 May 2020 11:14:26 -0700 (PDT), "
>
>> True. This "just wait until I get you home!" is just hot air. The kid
>> knows nothing is going to happen when s/he gets home and the parent knows
>> nothing is going to happen when they get home.

>
> Parents today seem to think a swat is bad but all this time out and
> lengthy lecturing does nothing. My kids knew if they behaved in a
> store, I might, might, give them a couple of bucks to spend at the end
> but if they didn't, it was out to the car and home which even if
> inconvenient, always worked. They liked going in shops and they knew
> they had to be civil if they wanted to stay there. It's a question of
> action and reaction and it's a fast teacher.



My brother got into hot water with his sister in law when he dared to
say "no" to his grandson. Apparently you cannot say no to this kid. He
has to be re-directed. Sorry, but I am old school. If there is a hazard
that the kid is headed for you should be able to say "no" and stop the
kid from getting hurt. Saying "no" with a smack on the butt is a good
way to stop something from happening right away, and, hopefully, the
word "no" will be something useful in the future.



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On 2020-05-18 3:14 p.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 5/18/2020 12:09 PM, Dave Smith wrote:



>> I saw my nephew deliver the most wicked punishment ever. His son had
>> been told not to eat anything before lunch and he got caught eating some
>> chips that his uncle had given him.. "That was bad. That was very bad.
>> You are going to have to be punished. I am not sure what the punishment
>> should be right now so I am going to think of something appropriate for
>> a child who disobeyed his parents."Â* The poor kid spent the next couple
>> hours dreading what the unknown punishment was going to be. There was no
>> punishment.... other than that couple hours of dread.
>>

>
>
> Kind of like being arrested.Â* But the criminals have it figured out
> there will be no real punishment.Â* Now we don't even arrest them anymore.


I guess they have to settle for the inconvenience of have their plans
for the evening fall through. I just read about a case of a guy caught
smuggling 20 handguns into Canada. The prosecutor was asking for a
sentence of 5 years. His lawyer suggested 4 years. The judge gave him
3.5 years. With credit for time served he will be out in 14 months.
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On 2020-05-18 1:36 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-05-18 2:48 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 May 2020 11:14:26 -0700 (PDT), "
>>
>>> True.Â* This "just wait until I get you home!" is just hot air.Â* The kid
>>> knows nothing is going to happen when s/he gets home and the parent
>>> knows
>>> nothing is going to happen when they get home.

>>
>> Parents today seem to think a swat is bad but all this time out and
>> lengthy lecturing does nothing.Â* My kids knew if they behaved in a
>> store, I might, might, give them a couple of bucks to spend at the end
>> but if they didn't, it was out to the car and home which even if
>> inconvenient, always worked.Â* They liked going in shops and they knew
>> they had to be civil if they wanted to stay there.Â* It's a question of
>> action and reaction and it's a fast teacher.

>
>
> My brother got into hot water with his sister in law when he dared to
> say "no" to his grandson.Â* Apparently you cannot say no to this kid. He
> has to be re-directed.Â* Sorry, but I am old school. If there is a hazard
> that the kid is headed for you should be able to say "no" and stop the
> kid from getting hurt. Saying "no" with a smack on the butt is a good
> way to stop something from happening right away, and, hopefully, the
> word "no" will be something useful in the future.
>


Why stop there?
Why not beat the little buggers black and blue, or use a cane until you
draw blood!
That'll teach 'em!!

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On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 3:21:13 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
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> Why stop there?
> Why not beat the little buggers black and blue, or use a cane until you
> draw blood!
> That'll teach 'em!!
>

At the risk of sounding like an ogre, I've seen a few who needed to be beat
until black and blue.
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On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:21:28 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>S Viemeister wrote:
>>
>> On 5/18/2020 6:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > On 2020-05-18 1:05 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> >> On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 6:09:20 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > iscomfort that followed.
>> >>
>> >> The old timers would tell me of getting popped with the flat palm of
>> >> the hand on their ear. Evidently, this lead to broken eardrums. That
>> >> was shocking to me. As disciplinary tactics goes, this seems more
>> >> like a US Navy Seals hand to hand combat technique.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Isn't that what happened to the guy in It's a Wonderful Life?

>>
>> Dunno. But it happened to Thomas Alva Edison.

>
>Supposedly to Beethoven too by having his ears boxed as a
>child by his father when he made piano mistakes. That one
>is still up for debate though but probably contributed to
>his eventual deafness in his 20's.


The nuns at the convent school I went to age 5 boxed our ears. Hurt
and deafened then for about half an hour and although my hearing is
intact I reckon that's why I have awful tinnitus.
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On 5/18/2020 12:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-05-18 3:14 p.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 5/18/2020 12:09 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
>
>>> I saw my nephew deliver the most wicked punishment ever. His son had
>>> been told not to eat anything before lunch and he got caught eating some
>>> chips that his uncle had given him.. "That was bad. That was very bad.
>>> You are going to have to be punished. I am not sure what the punishment
>>> should be right now so I am going to think of something appropriate for
>>> a child who disobeyed his parents."Â* The poor kid spent the next couple
>>> hours dreading what the unknown punishment was going to be. There was no
>>> punishment.... other than that couple hours of dread.
>>>

>>
>>
>> Kind of like being arrested.Â* But the criminals have it figured out
>> there will be no real punishment.Â* Now we don't even arrest them anymore.

>
> I guess they have to settle for the inconvenience of have their plans
> for the evening fall through. I just read about a case of a guy caught
> smuggling 20 handguns into Canada. The prosecutor was asking for a
> sentence of 5 years. His lawyer suggested 4 years. The judge gave him
> 3.5 years. With credit for time served he will be out in 14 months.
>



Now they don't even hold them after arrest. There are guys that were
five or six times in one evening, being let loose right after each arrest.



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On 2020-05-18 5:05 p.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 5/18/2020 12:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-05-18 3:14 p.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>> On 5/18/2020 12:09 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>>
>>
>>>> I saw my nephew deliver the most wicked punishment ever. His son had
>>>> been told not to eat anything before lunch and he got caught eating
>>>> some
>>>> chips that his uncle had given him.. "That was bad. That was very bad.
>>>> You are going to have to be punished. I am not sure what the punishment
>>>> should be right now so I am going to think of something appropriate for
>>>> a child who disobeyed his parents."Â* The poor kid spent the next couple
>>>> hours dreading what the unknown punishment was going to be. There
>>>> was no
>>>> punishment.... other than that couple hours of dread.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind of like being arrested.Â* But the criminals have it figured out
>>> there will be no real punishment.Â* Now we don't even arrest them
>>> anymore.

>>
>> I guess they have to settle for the inconvenience of have their plans
>> for the evening fall through.Â* I just read about a case of a guy caught
>> smuggling 20 handguns into Canada. The prosecutor was asking for a
>> sentence of 5 years. His lawyer suggested 4 years. The judge gave him
>> 3.5 years. With credit for time served he will be out in 14 months.
>>

>
>
> Now they don't even hold them after arrest.Â* There are guys that were
> five or six times in one evening, being let loose right after each arrest.


It is more than a little frustrating here because of the handgun issue.
Handguns are legal here, but are very strictly limited. You can get a
license to buy one but if you want to shoot with it you have to join a
recognized club to get a permit that will allow you to transport it,
trigger locked an in a locked case between your residence and the club,
nowhere else. There are no concealed or open permits here. You cannot
walk around with a loaded handgun. Yet, places like Toronto see one or
two handgun murders every week, all committed by young gang members who
are apparently unaware that carry a gun around and shooting people is
illegal.

It is amazing how many times these guys get arrested and end also facing
charges for breach of parole, breach of bail conditions, breach of
firearms prohibition.... and they get a bail hearing? One would home
that if a criminal is out on parole or bail and gets picked up for
murder they would go straight back to jail. Instead, they impose even
stricter conditions on the law abiding gun owners.


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Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:21:28 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> S Viemeister wrote:
>>>
>>> On 5/18/2020 6:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2020-05-18 1:05 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 6:09:20 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> iscomfort that followed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The old timers would tell me of getting popped with the flat palm of
>>>>> the hand on their ear. Evidently, this lead to broken eardrums. That
>>>>> was shocking to me. As disciplinary tactics goes, this seems more
>>>>> like a US Navy Seals hand to hand combat technique.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Isn't that what happened to the guy in It's a Wonderful Life?
>>>
>>> Dunno. But it happened to Thomas Alva Edison.

>>
>> Supposedly to Beethoven too by having his ears boxed as a
>> child by his father when he made piano mistakes. That one
>> is still up for debate though but probably contributed to
>> his eventual deafness in his 20's.

>
> The nuns at the convent school I went to age 5 boxed our ears. Hurt
> and deafened then for about half an hour and although my hearing is
> intact I reckon that's why I have awful tinnitus.
>


God works in mysterious ways.


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Dave Smith wrote:
>
> You cannot
> walk around with a loaded handgun. Yet, places like Toronto see one or
> two handgun murders every week, all committed by young gang members who
> are apparently unaware that carry a gun around and shooting people is
> illegal.
>
> It is amazing how many times these guys get arrested and end also facing
> charges for breach of parole, breach of bail conditions, breach of
> firearms prohibition.... and they get a bail hearing? One would home
> that if a criminal is out on parole or bail and gets picked up for
> murder they would go straight back to jail. Instead, they impose even
> stricter conditions on the law abiding gun owners.


That's the entire issue constantly being argued about more
and more restictive gun laws. It only restricts the good
people that like guns. The bad guys will always have guns
and use them for crime.

Habitual offenders will never stop. Best to just kill
each one with his own illegal gun after a 2nd criminal
offense and be rid of the worthless trash. **** em.
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On 5/18/2020 3:18 PM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> You cannot
>> walk around with a loaded handgun. Yet, places like Toronto see one or
>> two handgun murders every week, all committed by young gang members who
>> are apparently unaware that carry a gun around and shooting people is
>> illegal.
>>
>> It is amazing how many times these guys get arrested and end also facing
>> charges for breach of parole, breach of bail conditions, breach of
>> firearms prohibition.... and they get a bail hearing? One would home
>> that if a criminal is out on parole or bail and gets picked up for
>> murder they would go straight back to jail. Instead, they impose even
>> stricter conditions on the law abiding gun owners.

>
> That's the entire issue constantly being argued about more
> and more restictive gun laws. It only restricts the good
> people that like guns. The bad guys will always have guns
> and use them for crime.
>
> Habitual offenders will never stop. Best to just kill
> each one with his own illegal gun after a 2nd criminal
> offense and be rid of the worthless trash. **** em.
>



But if the politicians solved the problem, they are out of a job.
Hence, they don't solve the problem, just keep doing things "to solve
the problem" which just hurt the law abiding.
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On 5/16/2020 9:52 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Fri, 15 May 2020 19:09:19 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/15/2020 11:31 AM, graham wrote:
>>> On 2020-05-15 9:28 a.m., U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 10:22:26 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Couldn't resist, bought more for supper tonight. If I remember, I'll
>>>>> take a pic.
>>>>
>>>> I couldn't either.Â* Dinner tomorrow night.
>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>> I bought some frozen ones this morning for a seafood lasagne for my d-i-l.
>>> The supermarket that has the best fresh fish has had several cases of
>>> covid among the staff. I don't feel like risking a visit there.

>>
>> I buy frozen sea scallops and here's why. The raw sea scallops in the
>> seafood case aren't straight off a boat. They always have a sign in
>> front of them that says "previously frozen". I appreciate Publix being
>> transparent about that but why would I want to buy previously frozen
>> (then thawed scallops when I can buy a 1 lb. resealable bag of flash
>> frozen sea scallops for half the price? I've never been disappointed in
>> them and I can portion out as many or as few as I want and thaw them
>> myself. I love, love, love scallops!
>>
>> Jill

>
> Back some years when I was still diving I used to get a scallop
> licence, C$5 per year which entitled me to 100 scallops per dive. You
> have not tasted scallops until you taste them fresh out of the water,
> totally different to frozen. These were fresh from the water and can
> I ever taste the difference.
>

Of course you can. I was merely saying why I buy the frozen rather than
the "fresh previously frozen" which are the only kinds available down
here in Southern SC. There will never be an opportunity for me to taste
the fresh scallops you dove for or had a scallops diving license for in
Canada.

Jill


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> There will never be an opportunity for me to taste
> the fresh scallops you dove for or had a scallops diving license for in
> Canada.


Princess, if you lived in Canada you would still buy frozen
scallops from the grocery store.

South Carolina is a mecca for fresh seafood yet you buy
all of yours from a grocery store that's not even local.
Even canned crabmeat.

Try a local seafood market sometime. Do I need to find
one for you?
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>jmcquown wrote:
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>> There will never be an opportunity for me to taste
>> the fresh scallops you dove for or had a scallops diving license for in
>> Canada.

>
>Princess, if you lived in Canada you would still buy frozen
>scallops from the grocery store.
>
>South Carolina is a mecca for fresh seafood yet you buy
>all of yours from a grocery store that's not even local.
>Even canned crabmeat.
>
>Try a local seafood market sometime. Do I need to find
>one for you?


Living on an island surrounded by the sea it's best to invest in
fishing gear... really don't need anything expensive fishing from the
shore. Probably need to buy a fishing license for a few dollars but
otherwise freshest seafood dinners are free.
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