I looked at 14 pages at Amazon. They all differ in measurements. Some rounding up, others totally wrong.
Looking for a chart that says 1 up flour equals 120 g and 1 cup water equals 237.
I can do the math but looking to not. Suggestions?

One chart says 1c flour is 4.25 oz. = 120g
1c apple's is 4oz = 223g
1 half cup =4oz = 237

What I wrote down for my use is
1oz dry = 28.35g
1c water = 237 g/ml

This is a shame.

On 2020-05-22 1:59 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> I looked at 14 pages at Amazon. They all differ in measurements. Some rounding up, others totally wrong.
> Looking for a chart that says 1 up flour equals 120 g and 1 cup water equals 237.
> I can do the math but looking to not. Suggestions?
>
> One chart says 1c flour is 4.25 oz. = 120g
> 1c apple's is 4oz = 223g
> 1 half cup =4oz = 237
>
> What I wrote down for my use is
> 1oz dry = 28.35g
> 1c water = 237 g/ml
>
> This is a shame.
>
I posted this on April 2nd:
"I've just made a couple of kg of bread dough from a newly opened bag of
flour.
I used a 250ml measuring cup as a handy scoop to put the flour into a
bowl on the scale and was astounded when it weighed 175g. A lot of US
recipes use a 4oz/114g equivalence but as many devotees of weighing will
attest, it all depends on how you fill the cup.
That 175g measure equates to 168g for a 236ml US cup.
I then used a whisk to stir up the flour in the bag and spooned the
flour to fill the cup. That weighed 134g (126g US).
No wonder my elderly neighbour complained that she couldn't make decent
pastry as she used volume measure."

Amendola & Rees, "The baker's manual" devotes several pages to
conversions of volume to weight (unfortunately ounces rather than grams)
including how the cup should be filled. Different flours have different
densities so a cup of AP does not weigh the same as a cup of bread flour.

http://tiny.cc/9rhkpz

Thanks G. If I follow a pizza recipe and weigh everything including the water it should all work out even if my scale is off, correct?
Are my numbers solid?

On 2020-05-22 2:25 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> Thanks G. If I follow a pizza recipe and weigh everything including the water it should all work out even if my scale is off, correct?

It depends on how much off. Even cheap digital scales are fairly
accurate. If you use one, make sure it's on a level surface. One scale I
had was inconsistent until I realized that it was sitting on the
junction where one arm of the L-shaped worktop met the other and there
was a slight warp in the substrate. I occasionally check my newer one
with Canadian dollar coins (loonies) the original ones which weigh 7 grams.

> Are my numbers solid?
Yes!
For your pizza base recipe, follow it but be prepared to add a bit more
water. I have found that wetter doughs make a better crust. If you can
find it, use Italian "00" flour that's even better.

G can you give a brief on 00 vs other numbers? Is there birdshot numbers?
Right now I have bread flour, so and wheat.
My bread flour says 12.7 percent protein content but that is meaningless to me. My app has no numbers.
I thank you.

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 10:25:04 AM UTC-10, Thomas wrote:
> Thanks G. If I follow a pizza recipe and weigh everything including the water it should all work out even if my scale is off, correct?
> Are my numbers solid?

You should add enough water to make the kind of dough you want - sticky, soft, firm, hard. I suppose you could start off by measuring but you should stop once you get some experience. Well, that's the way I feel about it anyway.

DSI, I have very little experience. I always sucked with flour. I am reading The elements of pizza by K Forkish.
I am getting there. Stone, scale, thermometer, good yeast, bought some dead w good dating, rebought healthy yeast, diff flours, rolling mat due today. I have 3 balls that look ok but I do not have a feel for how exact I need to be.
I will get there with the help of rfc.

On 2020-05-22 3:20 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> G can you give a brief on 00 vs other numbers? Is there birdshot numbers?
> Right now I have bread flour, so and wheat.
> My bread flour says 12.7 percent protein content but that is meaningless to me. My app has no numbers.
> I thank you.
>
"00" is an Italian designation and you can usually find it in Italian
delis. It has a lower protein content (softer) than your bread flour so
doesn't need as much water. I prefer it for pizza bases.
Protein content is also a measure of the gluten content. Bread flours
are usually up to 15% protein (from hard wheat), All purpose 11-12%
(makes good bread too) but pastry and cake flours are around 8% protein
(from soft wheat).
If you are following Forkish, you won't need much help from the bread
makers he-)
As for "feel", that's something that you will acquire after making a few
loaves.
For that bread flour, for every 100g, I would use a minimum 70g of water
(70% hydration using bakers' percentages). Just recently with a bread
flour that was new to me, I found that I had to use 75g of water (75%
hydration).

Just baked a Kor NY from dough from Wednesday. So good. I know with help here I can do even better.
I did 550 preheat with stone for 45 min give or take. Cooking inst was for 5 min. At 5 it was a bit light but bubbly.
3 min or so later and people would buy this.

I need help linking a photo
Asked in the past but illiterate. Hook me up.
Samsung phone.

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 12:11:00 PM UTC-10, Thomas wrote:
> DSI, I have very little experience. I always sucked with flour. I am reading The elements of pizza by K Forkish.
> I am getting there. Stone, scale, thermometer, good yeast, bought some dead w good dating, rebought healthy yeast, diff flours, rolling mat due today. I have 3 balls that look ok but I do not have a feel for how exact I need to be.
> I will get there with the help of rfc.

Good luck in your quest for bread. I get the feeling that I'm gonna have to bake some too. The hard part on this rock has been finding some yeast. I went to a restaurant supply store the other day and was surprised to find 1 lb bags for under 4 bucks. They had cases of the stuff on the floor. My daughter made some foccaccia today so we might be having a little competition here.

On 2020-05-22 6:07 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> I need help linking a photo
> Asked in the past but illiterate. Hook me up.
> Samsung phone.
>
I use
https://postimages.org/

On Fri, 22 May 2020 12:59:03 -0700 (PDT), Thomas >
wrote:

>I looked at 14 pages at Amazon. They all differ in measurements. Some rounding up, others totally wrong.
>Looking for a chart that says 1 up flour equals 120 g and 1 cup water equals 237.
>I can do the math but looking to not. Suggestions?
>
>One chart says 1c flour is 4.25 oz. = 120g
>1c apple's is 4oz = 223g
>1 half cup =4oz = 237
>
>What I wrote down for my use is
>1oz dry = 28.35g
>1c water = 237 g/ml
>
>This is a shame.

If you are using a book for your recipe, the book should indicate in
the beginning what measurements were used in preparing a recipe.
Janet US

dsi1 wrote:
>
> The hard part on this rock has been finding some yeast.
> I went to a restaurant supply store the other day and was
> surprised to find 1 lb bags for under 4 bucks.

That's an amazingly good price, imo.

I have a 3-packet strip that I paid $0.79 for.
Each packet is 0.25 ounce

Bought that way, the cost per pound would be about $17
(I think I did that math correctly)

Saf instant yeast from Amazon 4 one lb bags for 11.64 all four.

On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 1:40:54 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > The hard part on this rock has been finding some yeast.
> > I went to a restaurant supply store the other day and was
> > surprised to find 1 lb bags for under 4 bucks.
>
> That's an amazingly good price, imo.
>
> I have a 3-packet strip that I paid $0.79 for.
> Each packet is 0.25 ounce
>
> Bought that way, the cost per pound would be about $17
> (I think I did that math correctly)

You did do your math correctly. I also bought a 3 lb bag of Noh Kim Chee mix for about $12. I use the stuff for cucumber kim chee. It is an interesting mix. You have to be careful about inhaling the fine powder because it's quite irritating. I want to see if I can make meatloaf and fried rice with the mix.

I went to college with one of the Noh brothers. The family used to own a notorious Korean strip bar/restaurant in Honolulu back in the 70's. It featured talented ladies that could smoke cigarettes in a highly novel way. These days, the family has gone completely legit. That's nice.

On Sat, 23 May 2020 08:53:50 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

> I also bought a 3 lb bag of Noh Kim Chee mix for about $12. I use the stuff for cucumber kim chee. It is an interesting mix. You have to be careful about inhaling the fine powder because it's quite irritating. I want to see if I can make meatloaf and fried rice with the mix.
>
I have only made kimchee with Napa. I'd love to hear how you make the
cucumber type. I have a nice jar of Korean chili flakes that I can
use.

On Sat, 23 May 2020 05:37:52 -0700 (PDT), Thomas >
wrote:
>
>Saf instant yeast from Amazon 4 one lb bags for 11.64 all four.

Bakers keep bulk yeast in their freezer, frozen it'll keep practically
forever. Keep some small amount in the fridge and it's ready to go.

On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 6:53:06 AM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sat, 23 May 2020 08:53:50 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> > I also bought a 3 lb bag of Noh Kim Chee mix for about $12. I use the stuff for cucumber kim chee. It is an interesting mix. You have to be careful about inhaling the fine powder because it's quite irritating. I want to see if I can make meatloaf and fried rice with the mix.
> >
> I have only made kimchee with Napa. I'd love to hear how you make the
> cucumber type. I have a nice jar of Korean chili flakes that I can
> use.

It's my favorite kim chee. I eat it a lot but I mostly never have to make it because I get it with Korean plate lunches. If I do make it, I use the Noh mix. Essentially, cucumber is cut into pieces and then salted. Let it sit a while to let the salt do it's magic. Grab the cucumber in your hands and squish out most of the water. Then add the seasonings.

I use the mix but the link below seems pretty reasonable. The tricky part is getting the salting correct. It should be salty but not too salty. Taste the salted cucumber before adding the spices. Rinse if too salty. The link below is more like a Hawaiian style kim chee. I recommend something like this before tackling the more intense Korean style. Don't let it set in the refrigerator too long. Soggy cucumber kim chee is not so good.

http://www.eatingwell.com/video/9112...cumber-kimchi/

G. I signed up an have a password for post image. How do I get it here? Using a Samsung phone with the pic, using tablet now to type.
Made some new pizza balls and looking for critique.

On 2020-05-23 2:22 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> G. I signed up an have a password for post image. How do I get it here? Using a Samsung phone with the pic, using tablet now to type.
> Made some new pizza balls and looking for critique.
>
You post an image there and it gives you a URL which you can then post here.
For example: https://postimg.cc/xNRCfR67

I need kid steps. Not working. Do I need Facebook. I could take a pic of the pic.........
I have a photo of dough on photo whatever but do not know hou to post a link to that.
Samsung galaxy s 8 ish.
Ok. Going to take a pic from this galaxy s5e now...

On 2020-05-23 3:48 p.m., Thomas Argo wrote:
> I need kid steps. Not working. Do I need Facebook. I could take a pic of the pic.........
> I have a photo of dough on photo whatever but do not know hou to post a link to that.
> Samsung galaxy s 8 ish.
> Ok. Going to take a pic from this galaxy s5e now...
>
I don't use my smart phone that much. When I take a photo, I transfer it
to my desktop and go from there.

Transfer it to where? I know how to share with other mails.

On Sat, 23 May 2020 11:39:32 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 6:53:06 AM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 May 2020 08:53:50 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > I also bought a 3 lb bag of Noh Kim Chee mix for about $12. I use the stuff for cucumber kim chee. It is an interesting mix. You have to be careful about inhaling the fine powder because it's quite irritating. I want to see if I can make meatloaf and fried rice with the mix.
>> >
>> I have only made kimchee with Napa. I'd love to hear how you make the
>> cucumber type. I have a nice jar of Korean chili flakes that I can
>> use.
>
>It's my favorite kim chee. I eat it a lot but I mostly never have to make it because I get it with Korean plate lunches. If I do make it, I use the Noh mix. Essentially, cucumber is cut into pieces and then salted. Let it sit a while to let the salt do it's magic. Grab the cucumber in your hands and squish out most of the water. Then add the seasonings.
>
>I use the mix but the link below seems pretty reasonable. The tricky part is getting the salting correct. It should be salty but not too salty. Taste the salted cucumber before adding the spices. Rinse if too salty. The link below is more like a Hawaiian style kim chee. I recommend something like this before tackling the more intense Korean style. Don't let it set in the refrigerator too long. Soggy cucumber kim chee is not so good.
>
>http://www.eatingwell.com/video/9112...cumber-kimchi/


Thanks for the advice and the link. I will get some cukes on the next
grocery store adventure and give it a try.

On 2020-05-23 4:24 p.m., Thomas Argo wrote:
> Transfer it to where? I know how to share with other mails.
>
Your phone presumably came with a charger cable. One end of that will be
a usb plug that you can plug into your desktop or laptop computer and it
should automatically download the photos.

On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 12:40:30 PM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sat, 23 May 2020 11:39:32 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 6:53:06 AM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
> >> On Sat, 23 May 2020 08:53:50 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> > I also bought a 3 lb bag of Noh Kim Chee mix for about $12. I use the stuff for cucumber kim chee. It is an interesting mix. You have to be careful about inhaling the fine powder because it's quite irritating. I want to see if I can make meatloaf and fried rice with the mix.
> >> >
> >> I have only made kimchee with Napa. I'd love to hear how you make the
> >> cucumber type. I have a nice jar of Korean chili flakes that I can
> >> use.
> >
> >It's my favorite kim chee. I eat it a lot but I mostly never have to make it because I get it with Korean plate lunches. If I do make it, I use the Noh mix. Essentially, cucumber is cut into pieces and then salted. Let it sit a while to let the salt do it's magic. Grab the cucumber in your hands and squish out most of the water. Then add the seasonings.
> >
> >I use the mix but the link below seems pretty reasonable. The tricky part is getting the salting correct. It should be salty but not too salty. Taste the salted cucumber before adding the spices. Rinse if too salty. The link below is more like a Hawaiian style kim chee. I recommend something like this before tackling the more intense Korean style. Don't let it set in the refrigerator too long. Soggy cucumber kim chee is not so good.
> >
> >http://www.eatingwell.com/video/9112...cumber-kimchi/
>
>
> Thanks for the advice and the link. I will get some cukes on the next
> grocery store adventure and give it a try.

It's spicy and tangy yet cooling at the same time. Brilliant!

graham wrote:

> On 2020-05-23 2:22 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> > G. I signed up an have a password for post image. How do I get it
> > here? Using a Samsung phone with the pic, using tablet now to type.
> > Made some new pizza balls and looking for critique.
> >
> You post an image there and it gives you a URL which you can then
> post here. For example: https://postimg.cc/xNRCfR67

Pizza balls? Sounds interesting!

Sorry, pizza dough balls.

dsi1 wrote:

> On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 6:53:06 AM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 May 2020 08:53:50 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > I also bought a 3 lb bag of Noh Kim Chee mix for about $12. I use
> > > the stuff for cucumber kim chee. It is an interesting mix. You
> > > have to be careful about inhaling the fine powder because it's
> > > quite irritating. I want to see if I can make meatloaf and fried
> > > rice with the mix.
> > >
> > I have only made kimchee with Napa. I'd love to hear how you make
> > the cucumber type. I have a nice jar of Korean chili flakes that I
> > can use.
>
> It's my favorite kim chee. I eat it a lot but I mostly never have to
> make it because I get it with Korean plate lunches. If I do make it,
> I use the Noh mix. Essentially, cucumber is cut into pieces and then
> salted. Let it sit a while to let the salt do it's magic. Grab the
> cucumber in your hands and squish out most of the water. Then add the
> seasonings.
>
> I use the mix but the link below seems pretty reasonable. The tricky
> part is getting the salting correct. It should be salty but not too
> salty. Taste the salted cucumber before adding the spices. Rinse if
> too salty. The link below is more like a Hawaiian style kim chee. I
> recommend something like this before tackling the more intense Korean
> style. Don't let it set in the refrigerator too long. Soggy cucumber
> kim chee is not so good.
>
>
http://www.eatingwell.com/video/9112...cumber-kimchi/

Looks good and workable! Thanks!

Sheldon Martin wrote:

> On Sat, 23 May 2020 05:37:52 -0700 (PDT), Thomas >
> wrote:
> >
> > Saf instant yeast from Amazon 4 one lb bags for 11.64 all four.
>
> Bakers keep bulk yeast in their freezer, frozen it'll keep practically
> forever. Keep some small amount in the fridge and it's ready to go.

Exactly. I paid a bit more for the SAF yeast but it was still an
excellent deal compared to regular store priced packets.

On Sun, 24 May 2020 Thomas wrote:
>
>Sorry, pizza dough balls.


They are not dough balls once baked... those are loaves of bread.

On Sun, 24 May 2020 10:54:49 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>dsi1 wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 6:53:06 AM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> > On Sat, 23 May 2020 08:53:50 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I also bought a 3 lb bag of Noh Kim Chee mix for about $12. I use
>> > > the stuff for cucumber kim chee. It is an interesting mix. You
>> > > have to be careful about inhaling the fine powder because it's
>> > > quite irritating. I want to see if I can make meatloaf and fried
>> > > rice with the mix.
>> > >
>> > I have only made kimchee with Napa. I'd love to hear how you make
>> > the cucumber type. I have a nice jar of Korean chili flakes that I
>> > can use.
>>
>> It's my favorite kim chee. I eat it a lot but I mostly never have to
>> make it because I get it with Korean plate lunches. If I do make it,
>> I use the Noh mix. Essentially, cucumber is cut into pieces and then
>> salted. Let it sit a while to let the salt do it's magic. Grab the
>> cucumber in your hands and squish out most of the water. Then add the
>> seasonings.
>>
>> I use the mix but the link below seems pretty reasonable. The tricky
>> part is getting the salting correct. It should be salty but not too
>> salty. Taste the salted cucumber before adding the spices. Rinse if
>> too salty. The link below is more like a Hawaiian style kim chee. I
>> recommend something like this before tackling the more intense Korean
>> style. Don't let it set in the refrigerator too long. Soggy cucumber
>> kim chee is not so good.
>>
>>
>http://www.eatingwell.com/video/9112...cumber-kimchi/
>
>Looks good and workable! Thanks!

What a waste of nice pickling cukes... shoulda been fermented garlic
dills.

Sheldon Martin wrote:

> On Sun, 24 May 2020 10:54:49 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >> On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 6:53:06 AM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
> >> > On Sat, 23 May 2020 08:53:50 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I also bought a 3 lb bag of Noh Kim Chee mix for about $12. I
> use >> > > the stuff for cucumber kim chee. It is an interesting mix.
> You >> > > have to be careful about inhaling the fine powder because
> it's >> > > quite irritating. I want to see if I can make meatloaf
> and fried >> > > rice with the mix.
> >> > >
> >> > I have only made kimchee with Napa. I'd love to hear how you make
> >> > the cucumber type. I have a nice jar of Korean chili flakes that
> I >> > can use.
> >>
> >> It's my favorite kim chee. I eat it a lot but I mostly never have
> to >> make it because I get it with Korean plate lunches. If I do
> make it, >> I use the Noh mix. Essentially, cucumber is cut into
> pieces and then >> salted. Let it sit a while to let the salt do it's
> magic. Grab the >> cucumber in your hands and squish out most of the
> water. Then add the >> seasonings.
> >>
> >> I use the mix but the link below seems pretty reasonable. The
> tricky >> part is getting the salting correct. It should be salty but
> not too >> salty. Taste the salted cucumber before adding the spices.
> Rinse if >> too salty. The link below is more like a Hawaiian style
> kim chee. I >> recommend something like this before tackling the more
> intense Korean >> style. Don't let it set in the refrigerator too
> long. Soggy cucumber >> kim chee is not so good.
> >>
> > >
> >
http://www.eatingwell.com/video/9112...cumber-kimchi/
> >
> > Looks good and workable! Thanks!
>
> What a waste of nice pickling cukes... shoulda been fermented garlic
> dills.

Sheldon, really? Are you that far off the beaten path to not get it
that these are good?