On 6/4/2020 11:53 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-06-04 11:37 a.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 6/4/2020 8:00 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Of course the Italians had no tomatoes either until relatively
>>>> recently... pizza/pasta with tomato sauce is a *******ization of
>>>> Italian cookery.
>>>
>>> I think "*******ization" is an extreme and bias description.
>>> Let's call it an addition or even an improvement.
>>> After all, even many italians started using it.
>>>
>>
>>
>> it might be a *******ization of ancient Roman or Etruscan cooking, but
>> it is now part of Italian cooking.
>
>
> If it wasn't better than the old Italian stuff it probably would not
> have become so widely accepted.


If you follow the immigration trail, most of the Italian immigrants in
the late 1800s were from southern Italy. around Naples and Sicily where
red sauces were prevalent. In the New World it was quickly adopted and
became synonymous with Italian foods.

Eggplant Parmigiana originated in Italy but veal and chicken variations
are US made variations.

Having been to Italy four times, never had a meatball or spaghetti
there. Only red sauce was pizza.

On 6/4/2020 11:59 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...
>
> On 6/4/2020 12:52 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 21:27:14 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 12:11:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 3:01:51 PM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>>> On 6/3/2020 11:59 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Americans are pretty much the only people who use "chili powder" to
>>>>>> refer
>>>>>> to the spice blend suitable for making chile con carne. Everybody
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> uses it to refer to ground hot peppers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>
>>>>> do they use the term "chili powder" for something else, or not at all?
>>>>
>>>> They use it for ground hot peppers (like our cayenne pepper powder),
>>>> although
>>>> sometimes they spell it "chilli".
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.instacart.com/landing?product_id=16290978>
>>>>
>>>> When reading international recipes, it's important to consider what
>>>> it means when it specifies "chili powder".
>>>
>>> Yes, to me, chili or chilli always refers to the pepper, unless it's
>>> followed by 'con carne'.
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> I won't touch anything that gives chili or chilli as an ingredient!
>>> I
>>> am never sure what they are, but we can't eat anything spicy so I stay
>>> clear)
>>
>> I've had spicy/hot food since childhood. Now that I grow them and have
>> kilos in the freezer, I have a chili pepper with every breakfast. I
>> can imagine it's different if you didn't grow up with them.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> It was many years until I came across hot peppers etc. Have the
>> Italians always used them? I lived in Malta for a few years and got a lot
>> of Italian food, but I don't remember that. If not then I don't know
>> where
>> I came across them for the first time. Anyway, I don't like spicy!!! ))
>>
>
> Southern Italian food uses a bit of hot spice, not the Italian food so
> much. I don't recall Maltese food being spice at all. Miss the pastizzi?
>
> ==
>
> No, it wasn't))) Do I take it you know Maltese food)))
>
>
>
>


I make pastizzi for my Molly friends. They don't know how any more. LOL.

"Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...

On 6/4/2020 11:59 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...
>
> On 6/4/2020 12:52 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 21:27:14 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 12:11:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 3:01:51 PM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>>> On 6/3/2020 11:59 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Americans are pretty much the only people who use "chili powder" to
>>>>>> refer
>>>>>> to the spice blend suitable for making chile con carne. Everybody
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> uses it to refer to ground hot peppers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>
>>>>> do they use the term "chili powder" for something else, or not at all?
>>>>
>>>> They use it for ground hot peppers (like our cayenne pepper powder),
>>>> although
>>>> sometimes they spell it "chilli".
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.instacart.com/landing?product_id=16290978>
>>>>
>>>> When reading international recipes, it's important to consider what
>>>> it means when it specifies "chili powder".
>>>
>>> Yes, to me, chili or chilli always refers to the pepper, unless it's
>>> followed by 'con carne'.
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> I won't touch anything that gives chili or chilli as an ingredient!
>>> I
>>> am never sure what they are, but we can't eat anything spicy so I stay
>>> clear)
>>
>> I've had spicy/hot food since childhood. Now that I grow them and have
>> kilos in the freezer, I have a chili pepper with every breakfast. I
>> can imagine it's different if you didn't grow up with them.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> It was many years until I came across hot peppers etc. Have the
>> Italians always used them? I lived in Malta for a few years and got a
>> lot
>> of Italian food, but I don't remember that. If not then I don't know
>> where
>> I came across them for the first time. Anyway, I don't like spicy!!!
>> ))
>>
>
> Southern Italian food uses a bit of hot spice, not the Italian food so
> much. I don't recall Maltese food being spice at all. Miss the pastizzi?
>
> ==
>
> No, it wasn't))) Do I take it you know Maltese food)))
>
>
>
>


I make pastizzi for my Molly friends. They don't know how any more. LOL.

===

Cool ))

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/4/2020 11:53 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-06-04 11:37 a.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>> On 6/4/2020 8:00 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course the Italians had no tomatoes either until relatively
>>>>> recently... pizza/pasta with tomato sauce is a *******ization of
>>>>> Italian cookery.
>>>>
>>>> I think "*******ization" is an extreme and bias description.
>>>> Let's call it an addition or even an improvement.
>>>> After all, even many italians started using it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> it might be a *******ization of ancient Roman or Etruscan
>>> cooking, but it is now part of Italian cooking.
>>
>>
>> If it wasn't better than the old Italian stuff it probably would
>> not have become so widely accepted.
>
>
> If you follow the immigration trail, most of the Italian immigrants
> in the late 1800s were from southern Italy. around Naples and
> Sicily where red sauces were prevalent.* In the New World it was
> quickly adopted and became synonymous with Italian foods.
>
> Eggplant Parmigiana originated in Italy but veal and chicken
> variations are US made variations.
>
> Having been to Italy four times, never had a meatball or spaghetti
> there.* Only red sauce was pizza.

Ed, I love Eggplant Parmigiana.

But we will have to wait for Popeye to weigh in on this. After all,
he actually ****ed a nun at the three coins in the fountain.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/4/2020 11:53 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-06-04 11:37 a.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>> On 6/4/2020 8:00 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course the Italians had no tomatoes either until relatively
>>>>> recently... pizza/pasta with tomato sauce is a *******ization of
>>>>> Italian cookery.
>>>>
>>>> I think "*******ization" is an extreme and bias description.
>>>> Let's call it an addition or even an improvement.
>>>> After all, even many italians started using it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> it might be a *******ization of ancient Roman or Etruscan
>>> cooking, but it is now part of Italian cooking.
>>
>>
>> If it wasn't better than the old Italian stuff it probably would
>> not have become so widely accepted.
>
>
> If you follow the immigration trail, most of the Italian immigrants
> in the late 1800s were from southern Italy. around Naples and
> Sicily where red sauces were prevalent.* In the New World it was
> quickly adopted and became synonymous with Italian foods.
>
> Eggplant Parmigiana originated in Italy but veal and chicken
> variations are US made variations.
>
> Having been to Italy four times, never had a meatball or spaghetti
> there.* Only red sauce was pizza.

I believe you Ed. But the only other person reporting on italy is
Popeye, USN.

He has ****ed many italians. Have you? Until yoose give evidence,
Popeye is the absolute authority. He even ****ed a goddamned Nun at
the vatican.