dsi1 wrote:
> This isn't the 60's any longer that kind of stuff don't fly in the modern world. Back in the 70's, the boomers were king. In the 20's nobody is really interested in what the boomers are having for breakfast because it's the millennials that have taken over the crown. Having a black mammy on a box is viral dynamite that's going to go off sooner or later. It's not personal, it's just business.

In the old slave days, the slaves grew crops and animals. The
owners got all the good meat and veggies. The slaves were given
the scrap leftovers to eat.

Well, over the years, the slaves learned how to cook very good
food from all those scraps. Used to be known as soul food but
decendents of slaves kept going and definitely know how to
cook excellent home cooked food.

Having a pic of a black person on a box of food was to indicate
it was a very good product.

" wrote:
>
> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 12:45:22 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > At the end of his life,
> > Washington made the decision to free all his slaves in his 1799 will -
> > the only slave-holding Founding Father to do so.
> >
> Actually Washington said his slaves would be freed upon Martha's death.
> She was terrified they would kill or poison her to hasten their freedom
> so she freed them soon after George's death.

In other words... G Washington might have talked about freeing
the slaves but he never did until he was on his death bed.

Kind of a "do as I say, not what I do" thing.

On 2020-06-22 8:55 a.m., Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> We visited the International Slavery Museum when we were in Liverpool. It was interesting and moving. The Brits abolished slavery about 30 years before the Yanks did. The difference, of course, is that they didn't have a civil war over the matter,
>
> Again, the US Civil War wasn't about slavery.
> The North was treating the South unfairly with economics.
> They chose to leave the union. That's what the civil war
> was all about.
>

Yeah. Right. Some claim it was about states' rights, but the only right
they really cared about was the right to have slaves.


> I suspect Lincoln abolished slavery later just as pay backs
> to the South for trying to divide us into two countries.


The Emancipation Proclamation was a pretty hollow gesture. It granted
freedom to slaves in the Confederate state, but the Union didn't really
have the jurisdiction to do that.

On 2020-06-22 8:56 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 8:15:05 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:

>> The reality is that even uneducated people have to do things like
>> pay for housing, food, transportation, childcare, utilities, and
>> high speed internet.
>
> Birth control is cheap. Perhaps those uneducated people should pay
> for education rather than childcare.
>
> And I don't mean a four-year bachelor's degree.
>
>

It can get pretty frustrating. A lot of people speak out about the need
for education and informing people on issues like sex, drugs, disease
and other public health topics, but even the best attempts are ignored.
Most of us know about the dangerous of hard drugs, but we still have
addiction problems. We have taught people about the birds and the bees
but young girls are still getting pregnant and unable to care for their
children on their own. We know that AIDS is transmitted primarily
through unprotected sex but there are still people running around having
unprotected sex with strangers.

On 2020-06-22 8:57 a.m., Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> This isn't the 60's any longer that kind of stuff don't fly in the modern world. Back in the 70's, the boomers were king. In the 20's nobody is really interested in what the boomers are having for breakfast because it's the millennials that have taken over the crown. Having a black mammy on a box is viral dynamite that's going to go off sooner or later. It's not personal, it's just business.
>
> In the old slave days, the slaves grew crops and animals. The
> owners got all the good meat and veggies. The slaves were given
> the scrap leftovers to eat.
>
> Well, over the years, the slaves learned how to cook very good
> food from all those scraps. Used to be known as soul food but
> decendents of slaves kept going and definitely know how to
> cook excellent home cooked food.
>
> Having a pic of a black person on a box of food was to indicate
> it was a very good product.



On the flip side of that.... French cooking is well known for making
excellent meals out of cheap cuts and offal.

Dave Smith wrote :
> On the flip side of that.... French cooking is well known for making
> excellent meals out of cheap cuts and offal.
>
The French are also known to be squat to
**** cowards.

'French rifle for sale, never fired and
only dropped twice.'

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 3:45:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > Sure, why not use a reminder of a horrible past to sell product? What's
> > the harm? Let's change the pancake box mascot to Cousin Anne and sell
> > product aimed at holocaust survivors and neo-nazis. Yeah, that might
> > make
> > some profits for the company. In the end, profits are the only thing
> > that
> > matter.
>
> True. In the end, profits DO matter.
> Don't you have a retirement account? Investing your savings
> for retirement in evil corporations and hoping they will
> earn you the best return?
>
> As far as past reminders of our history, let's tear down
> all reminders of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
> USAs most beloved past presidents. That's just to name
> a few.
>
> Both were slave owners. We should remove their faces
> from all currency, tear down their preserved mansions
> and monuments. Even Lincoln was a racist. He freed
> the blacks but he had no love for them.
> We could even rename Washington DC to MLK DC.
>
> ===
>
> Good post! Thanks, Gary!
>
>
>
> All lives do matter but all this old slavery crying
> is just that...crap. Time to move on people and quit
> bitching about the past that can't be changed.
>
> And in the black community, clean up your own act then
> the police won't go so hard on you.

We visited the International Slavery Museum when we were in Liverpool. It
was interesting and moving. The Brits abolished slavery about 30 years
before the Yanks did. The difference, of course, is that they didn't have a
civil war over the matter, nor have they spent the last 160 years trying to
resolve the conflict.

===

I expect you knew I didn't post the previous post?

On 6/22/2020 8:10 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 6/21/2020 4:25 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2020-06-21 11:08 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> As it goes Hawaii never had slaves - unless you call indentured
>>>>> servitude or working for low, low, wages slavery. In modern times it
>>>>> would be called "slavery", back then it was business as usual.
>>>>
>>>> That's true. In the beginning of modern times many chinese were
>>>> brought in to work the new pineapple fields. They worked hard,
>>>> eventually paid off their debt then started buying land and
>>>> started their own businesses.
>>>>
>>>> Same with building railroads on the mainland and even doing
>>>> the salmon canning in Alaska.
>>>>
>>> There were a lot of indentured servants in the US in the early days Some
>>> of them had signed up voluntarily with an agreement to provide a term of
>>> unpaid employment. Some were indentured involuntarily.* They were
>>> basically slaves.
>>
>> Like my ancestors, who were captured in battle in 1679 in England,
>> charged with treason and sold as indentured servants to a tobacco farmer
>> in Virginia. If the captain of the ship hadn't died during the voyage
>> and the man who assumed command hadn't changed the course of the ship,
>> they'd have been treated no better than any other slave. They were
>> bought and paid for.
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> If you're referring to the Battle of Bothwell Bridge in 1679. It
> took place in Scotland, not England.
>
>
> Janet UK
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bothwell_Bridge
>
Yes, sorry, my bad. They were captured by the English, though.

Jill

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 2:57:30 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > We visited the International Slavery Museum when we were in Liverpool. It was interesting and moving. The Brits abolished slavery about 30 years before the Yanks did. The difference, of course, is that they didn't have a civil war over the matter,
>
> Again, the US Civil War wasn't about slavery.
> The North was treating the South unfairly with economics.
> They chose to leave the union. That's what the civil war
> was all about.
>
> I suspect Lincoln abolished slavery later just as pay backs
> to the South for trying to divide us into two countries.

Some folks like to call the Civil War the "War for State's Rights." Well okay.

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 2:59:45 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > This isn't the 60's any longer that kind of stuff don't fly in the modern world. Back in the 70's, the boomers were king. In the 20's nobody is really interested in what the boomers are having for breakfast because it's the millennials that have taken over the crown. Having a black mammy on a box is viral dynamite that's going to go off sooner or later. It's not personal, it's just business.
>
> In the old slave days, the slaves grew crops and animals. The
> owners got all the good meat and veggies. The slaves were given
> the scrap leftovers to eat.
>
> Well, over the years, the slaves learned how to cook very good
> food from all those scraps. Used to be known as soul food but
> decendents of slaves kept going and definitely know how to
> cook excellent home cooked food.
>
> Having a pic of a black person on a box of food was to indicate
> it was a very good product.

Well... okay.

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 6:31:29 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 3:45:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "Gary" wrote in message ...
> >
> > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure, why not use a reminder of a horrible past to sell product? What's
> > > the harm? Let's change the pancake box mascot to Cousin Anne and sell
> > > product aimed at holocaust survivors and neo-nazis. Yeah, that might
> > > make
> > > some profits for the company. In the end, profits are the only thing
> > > that
> > > matter.
> >
> > True. In the end, profits DO matter.
> > Don't you have a retirement account? Investing your savings
> > for retirement in evil corporations and hoping they will
> > earn you the best return?
> >
> > As far as past reminders of our history, let's tear down
> > all reminders of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
> > USAs most beloved past presidents. That's just to name
> > a few.
> >
> > Both were slave owners. We should remove their faces
> > from all currency, tear down their preserved mansions
> > and monuments. Even Lincoln was a racist. He freed
> > the blacks but he had no love for them.
> > We could even rename Washington DC to MLK DC.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Good post! Thanks, Gary!
> >
> >
> >
> > All lives do matter but all this old slavery crying
> > is just that...crap. Time to move on people and quit
> > bitching about the past that can't be changed.
> >
> > And in the black community, clean up your own act then
> > the police won't go so hard on you.
>
> We visited the International Slavery Museum when we were in Liverpool. It
> was interesting and moving. The Brits abolished slavery about 30 years
> before the Yanks did. The difference, of course, is that they didn't have a
> civil war over the matter, nor have they spent the last 160 years trying to
> resolve the conflict.
>
> ===
>
> I expect you knew I didn't post the previous post?

You nested your reply in the middle of another post but I did understand who wrote what.

On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 07:01:32 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>dsi1 wrote:
>> In America, in the year 2020 of our lord, people are still getting paid slave wages.
>
>But only if they agree to taking the job. People with no skills
>don't have many choices.
>I heard a brief news thing last week that TARGET is going to
>start paying all employees at least $15 per hour and some bonus
>money for cashiers. All starting in July? Not years from now.
>
>Did I hear this wrong? It was only a very brief news bite.
>That's a pretty good starting wage for uneducated people.

House painters earn pretty good dollars and most are lucky to have a
HS Diploma. Formal education is not a requirement of most trades
people... a sheet metal mechanic (tin knocker) can earn $25+/hr and
only needs minimal reading/writing and basic math. Graduates of Boces
can earn a good pay check without a formal academic degree. We
recently got a Mavis Tire store in town. I bought a set of tires for
my Landcruiser plus a new spare and they had the lowest price around
for Michelins. The guy who did the job was at most 18 years old. I
was talking to him and he recently graduated from our town's HS with a
General diploma, not Academic. He admitted to being paid $33/hr for
mounting, balancing, aligning, changing shocks, and a few other
related jobs... a lot better than burger flipper or pothead donut
maker.
When I got home I described him to my wife, she knew him as she
occasionally taught his class, She said he was a good kid, never any
trouble but needed some tutoring with some subjects. She was glad he
was working.

On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 05:56:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 8:15:05 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 1:03:54 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> > dsi1 wrote:
>> > > In America, in the year 2020 of our lord, people are still getting paid slave wages.
>> >
>> > But only if they agree to taking the job. People with no skills
>> > don't have many choices.
>> > I heard a brief news thing last week that TARGET is going to
>> > start paying all employees at least $15 per hour and some bonus
>> > money for cashiers. All starting in July? Not years from now.
>> >
>> > Did I hear this wrong? It was only a very brief news bite.
>> >
>> > That's a pretty good starting wage for uneducated people.
>>
>> The reality is that even uneducated people have to do things like pay for housing, food, transportation, childcare, utilities, and high speed internet.
>
>Birth control is cheap. Perhaps those uneducated people should pay for
>education rather than childcare.
>
>And I don't mean a four-year bachelor's degree.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Anyone in America can get better educated if they desire... except on
that POS rock out in the middle of the Pacific... and that's not
really a part of America.

On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 08:57:20 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>dsi1 wrote:
>> This isn't the 60's any longer that kind of stuff don't fly in the modern world. Back in the 70's, the boomers were king. In the 20's nobody is really interested in what the boomers are having for breakfast because it's the millennials that have taken over the crown. Having a black mammy on a box is viral dynamite that's going to go off sooner or later. It's not personal, it's just business.
>
>In the old slave days, the slaves grew crops and animals. The
>owners got all the good meat and veggies. The slaves were given
>the scrap leftovers to eat.
>
>Well, over the years, the slaves learned how to cook very good
>food from all those scraps. Used to be known as soul food but
>decendents of slaves kept going and definitely know how to
>cook excellent home cooked food.

Truth be known the best cooks on the planet are essentially
illiterates. No one needs a degree from Yale, Prinston, or Harvard to
be an excellent cook. All an excellent cook really needs to know is
Method, and not be born with chronic TIAD. Even the so called top
culinary schools teach very little... the very best cooks learn from
helping their parents and grandparents in the kitchen... one can't
learn soul food in a classroom... every ethnicity has its own soul
food.

On 2020-06-22 1:23 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/22/2020 8:10 AM, Janet wrote:

>>
>> Â*Â*Â* If you're referring to the Battle of Bothwell Bridge inÂ* 1679. It
>> took place in Scotland, not England.
>>
>>
>> Â*Â*Â* Janet UK
>> Â* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bothwell_Bridge
>>
> Yes, sorry, my bad.Â* They were captured by the English, though.
>
>

And the fact remains that, like many other prisoners of war and criminal
transportees, they had no great love for the English. When the
revolution happened they were quick to fight against those who has
enslaved them, but which has evolved into a more glorious political
ideology. That goes a long way to explaining the political oppression
that let so many Loyalist to pack up and leave for Canada,the West
Indies or back to England.

On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 09:53:38 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-06-22 8:57 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> This isn't the 60's any longer that kind of stuff don't fly in the modern world. Back in the 70's, the boomers were king. In the 20's nobody is really interested in what the boomers are having for breakfast because it's the millennials that have taken over the crown. Having a black mammy on a box is viral dynamite that's going to go off sooner or later. It's not personal, it's just business.
>>
>> In the old slave days, the slaves grew crops and animals. The
>> owners got all the good meat and veggies. The slaves were given
>> the scrap leftovers to eat.
>>
>> Well, over the years, the slaves learned how to cook very good
>> food from all those scraps. Used to be known as soul food but
>> decendents of slaves kept going and definitely know how to
>> cook excellent home cooked food.
>>
>> Having a pic of a black person on a box of food was to indicate
>> it was a very good product.
>
>
>
>On the flip side of that.... French cooking is well known for making
>excellent meals out of cheap cuts and offal.

Those meals only taste good to those who were raised on that type of
cusine. We ate a lot of pickled tongue and savored it... today few
people eat it, most can't stomach the sight.

On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 08:58:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:

" wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 12:45:22 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >
>> > At the end of his life,
>> > Washington made the decision to free all his slaves in his 1799 will -
>> > the only slave-holding Founding Father to do so.
>> >
>> Actually Washington said his slaves would be freed upon Martha's death.
>> She was terrified they would kill or poison her to hasten their freedom
>> so she freed them soon after George's death.
>
>In other words... G Washington might have talked about freeing
>the slaves but he never did until he was on his death bed.
>
>Kind of a "do as I say, not what I do" thing.

Nothing new about slavery, there have been slaves since prehistoric
times.

Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 05:56:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 8:15:05 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 1:03:54 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> In America, in the year 2020 of our lord, people are still getting paid slave wages.
>>>>
>>>> But only if they agree to taking the job. People with no skills
>>>> don't have many choices.
>>>> I heard a brief news thing last week that TARGET is going to
>>>> start paying all employees at least $15 per hour and some bonus
>>>> money for cashiers. All starting in July? Not years from now.
>>>>
>>>> Did I hear this wrong? It was only a very brief news bite.
>>>>
>>>> That's a pretty good starting wage for uneducated people.
>>>
>>> The reality is that even uneducated people have to do things like pay for housing, food, transportation, childcare, utilities, and high speed internet.
>>
>> Birth control is cheap. Perhaps those uneducated people should pay for
>> education rather than childcare.
>>
>> And I don't mean a four-year bachelor's degree.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Anyone in America can get better educated if they desire... except on
> that POS rock out in the middle of the Pacific... and that's not
> really a part of America.
>

Thank yoose, perfessor Popeye!

Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 08:57:20 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> This isn't the 60's any longer that kind of stuff don't fly in the modern world. Back in the 70's, the boomers were king. In the 20's nobody is really interested in what the boomers are having for breakfast because it's the millennials that have taken over the crown. Having a black mammy on a box is viral dynamite that's going to go off sooner or later. It's not personal, it's just business.
>>
>> In the old slave days, the slaves grew crops and animals. The
>> owners got all the good meat and veggies. The slaves were given
>> the scrap leftovers to eat.
>>
>> Well, over the years, the slaves learned how to cook very good
>> food from all those scraps. Used to be known as soul food but
>> decendents of slaves kept going and definitely know how to
>> cook excellent home cooked food.
>
> Truth be known the best cooks on the planet are essentially
> illiterates.

Is that why yoose are the best cook in the universe Popeye?

On 6/22/2020 2:23 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 08:58:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> " wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 12:45:22 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> At the end of his life,
>>>> Washington made the decision to free all his slaves in his 1799 will -
>>>> the only slave-holding Founding Father to do so.
>>>>
>>> Actually Washington said his slaves would be freed upon Martha's death.
>>> She was terrified they would kill or poison her to hasten their freedom
>>> so she freed them soon after George's death.
>>
>> In other words... G Washington might have talked about freeing
>> the slaves but he never did until he was on his death bed.
>>
>> Kind of a "do as I say, not what I do" thing.
>
> Nothing new about slavery, there have been slaves since prehistoric
> times.
>
The pyramids in Egypt were built using slave labor.

People tend to forget African tribes captured and sold rival tribe
members into slavery to the white man for a profit. Everyone was guilty
of promoting a horrific institution back in the day. That's the way
things were. We can't change history by teaching revisionist versions
of it.

Aunt Jemima was a character on a box of pancake mix and a bottle of
syrup. Uncle Ben was an actual rice farmer who used his own image to
promote his product. Marketing!

BTW, I strongly object (just kidding) to the old white man on the box of
Quaker Oats. My ancestors weren't Quakers but they might have worn
those funny hats. I do know they were abolitionists.

Jill

On 2020-06-22 9:30 a.m., Bruce wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote :
>> On the flip side of that.... French cooking is well known for making
>> excellent meals out of cheap cuts and offal.
>>
> The French are also known to be squat to
> **** cowards.
>
Which explains Napoleon's successes.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/22/2020 2:23 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 08:58:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> " wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 12:45:22 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> At the end of his life,
>>>>> Washington made the decision to free all his slaves in his
>>>>> 1799 will -
>>>>> the only slave-holding Founding Father to do so.
>>>>>
>>>> Actually Washington said his slaves would be freed upon
>>>> Martha's death.
>>>> She was terrified they would kill or poison her to hasten their
>>>> freedom
>>>> so she freed them soon after George's death.
>>>
>>> In other words... G Washington might have talked about freeing
>>> the slaves but he never did until he was on his death bed.
>>>
>>> Kind of a "do as I say, not what I do" thing.
>>
>> Nothing new about slavery, there have been slaves since prehistoric
>> times.
>>
> The pyramids in Egypt were built using slave labor.
>
> People tend to forget African tribes captured and sold rival tribe
> members into slavery to the white man for a profit.* Everyone was
> guilty of promoting a horrific institution back in the day. That's
> the way things were.* We can't change history by teaching
> revisionist versions of it.
>
> Aunt Jemima was a character on a box of pancake mix and a bottle of
> syrup.* Uncle Ben was an actual rice farmer who used his own image
> to promote his product.* Marketing!
>
> BTW, I strongly object (just kidding) to the old white man on the
> box of Quaker Oats.* My ancestors weren't Quakers but they might
> have worn those funny hats.* I do know they were abolitionists.
>
> Jill

Makes me want to go out and start a riot right now!

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 8:23:10 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
>
> Nothing new about slavery, there have been slaves since prehistoric
> times.

In light of this startling revelation, it must be conceded that slavery is not such bad thing after all.

On 2020-06-22 7:52 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-06-22 8:56 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 8:15:05 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>> The reality is that even uneducated people have to do things like
>>> pay for housing, food, transportation, childcare, utilities, and
>>> high speed internet.
>>
>> Birth control is cheap.Â* Perhaps those uneducated people should pay
>> for education rather than childcare.
>>
>> And I don't mean a four-year bachelor's degree.
>>
>>
>
> It can get pretty frustrating.Â* A lot of people speak out about the need
> for education andÂ* informing people on issues like sex, drugs, disease
> and other public health topics, but even the best attempts are ignored.
> Â*Most of us know about the dangerous of hard drugs, but we still have
> addiction problems. We have taught people about the birds and the bees
> but young girls are still getting pregnant and unable to care for their
> children on their own. We know that AIDS is transmitted primarily
> through unprotected sex but there are still people running around having
> unprotected sex with strangers.

Isn't it great to be human and not just another hairy simian!!

On 6/22/2020 2:17 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-06-22 1:23 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/22/2020 8:10 AM, Janet wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Â*Â*Â* If you're referring to the Battle of Bothwell Bridge inÂ* 1679. It
>>> took place in Scotland, not England.
>>>
>>>
>>> Â*Â*Â* Janet UK
>>> Â* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bothwell_Bridge
>>>
>> Yes, sorry, my bad.Â* They were captured by the English, though.
>>
>>
>
> And the fact remains that, like many other prisoners of war and criminal
> transportees, they had no great love for the English. When the
> revolution happened they were quick toÂ* fight against those who has
> enslaved them, but which has evolved into a more glorious political
> ideology.Â* That goes a long way to explaining the political oppression
> that let so many Loyalist to pack up and leave for Canada,the West
> Indies or back to England.
>
As I recall my family history, it was a religious battle in Scotland as
much as a political one. (Aren't they all?) My family was fighting
against the English on the side of Catholics even though our family was
Protestant. They were captured, sold and transported to the Colonies as
indentured servants. We know historically indentured servants weren't
treated any better than any other slaves. Many of them didn't survive
their forced indenture any more than black or native american slaves
did. My family got lucky when the captain of the ship died and they
were let off in Amboy (later renamed Perth Amboy).

My ancestors did participate in the American revolution in 1775/76. They
were fed up with being left on their own with no support but having to
pay tons in taxes to England across the sea. My great-great-greats were
given a land grant in Pennsylvania by William Penn, who was an
Englishman and a Quaker (hey!) where they farmed and raised children.
When it came time for the taxes and oh dear, the King... nope. So they
fought in the war and we won. A homestead on the banks of the
Brandywine River, which is also the name of a river in Scotland.

Jill

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 6:31:29 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 3:45:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "Gary" wrote in message ...
> >
> > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure, why not use a reminder of a horrible past to sell product?
> > > What's
> > > the harm? Let's change the pancake box mascot to Cousin Anne and sell
> > > product aimed at holocaust survivors and neo-nazis. Yeah, that might
> > > make
> > > some profits for the company. In the end, profits are the only thing
> > > that
> > > matter.
> >
> > True. In the end, profits DO matter.
> > Don't you have a retirement account? Investing your savings
> > for retirement in evil corporations and hoping they will
> > earn you the best return?
> >
> > As far as past reminders of our history, let's tear down
> > all reminders of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
> > USAs most beloved past presidents. That's just to name
> > a few.
> >
> > Both were slave owners. We should remove their faces
> > from all currency, tear down their preserved mansions
> > and monuments. Even Lincoln was a racist. He freed
> > the blacks but he had no love for them.
> > We could even rename Washington DC to MLK DC.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Good post! Thanks, Gary!
> >
> >
> >
> > All lives do matter but all this old slavery crying
> > is just that...crap. Time to move on people and quit
> > bitching about the past that can't be changed.
> >
> > And in the black community, clean up your own act then
> > the police won't go so hard on you.
>
> We visited the International Slavery Museum when we were in Liverpool. It
> was interesting and moving. The Brits abolished slavery about 30 years
> before the Yanks did. The difference, of course, is that they didn't have
> a
> civil war over the matter, nor have they spent the last 160 years trying
> to
> resolve the conflict.
>
> ===
>
> I expect you knew I didn't post the previous post?

You nested your reply in the middle of another post but I did understand who
wrote what.

===

Thank you. I will try to do it better next time.

On 6/22/2020 4:09 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1"Â* wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 6:31:29 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1"Â* wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 3:45:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> > "Gary"Â* wrote in message ...
>> >
>> > dsi1 wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Sure, why not use a reminder of a horrible past to sell product? >
>> > What's
>> > > the harm? Let's change the pancake box mascot to Cousin Anne and sell
>> > > product aimed at holocaust survivors and neo-nazis. Yeah, that might
>> > > make
>> > > some profits for the company. In the end, profits are the only thing
>> > > that
>> > > matter.
>> >
>> > True. In the end, profits DO matter.
>> > Don't you have a retirement account? Investing your savings
>> > for retirement in evil corporations and hoping they will
>> > earn you the best return?
>> >
>> > As far as past reminders of our history, let's tear down
>> > all reminders of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
>> > USAs most beloved past presidents. That's just to name
>> > a few.
>> >
>> > Both were slave owners. We should remove their faces
>> > from all currency, tear down their preserved mansions
>> > and monuments. Even Lincoln was a racist. He freed
>> > the blacks but he had no love for them.
>> > We could even rename Washington DC to MLK DC.
>> >
>> > ===
>> >
>> >Â*Â*Â* Good post!Â* Thanks, Gary!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > All lives do matter but all this old slavery crying
>> > is just that...crap. Time to move on people and quit
>> > bitching about the past that can't be changed.
>> >
>> > And in the black community, clean up your own act then
>> > the police won't go so hard on you.
>>
>> We visited the International Slavery Museum when we were in Liverpool. It
>> was interesting and moving. The Brits abolished slavery about 30 years
>> before the Yanks did. The difference, of course, is that they didn't
>> have a
>> civil war over the matter, nor have they spent the last 160 years
>> trying to
>> resolve the conflict.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Â*Â*Â* I expect you knew I didn't post the previous post?
>
> You nested your reply in the middle of another post but I did understand
> who wrote what.
>
> ===
>
> Â*Thank you.Â* I will try to do it better next time.
>
>
You really do believe this guy speaks for everyone in the US?

Jill

On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 16:14:44 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/22/2020 4:09 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "dsi1"Â* wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> You nested your reply in the middle of another post but I did understand
>> who wrote what.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Â*Thank you.Â* I will try to do it better next time.
>>
>>
>You really do believe this guy speaks for everyone in the US?

Do you really believe everyone in the US has an opinion about how
Ophelia nested her reply?

On 2020-06-22 3:37 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 8:23:10 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> Nothing new about slavery, there have been slaves since prehistoric
>> times.
>
> In light of this startling revelation, it must be conceded that slavery is not such bad thing after all.
>
Maybe the startling revelation should be that it was the white Europeans
who led the fight to abolish slavery. Britain had acted first to
abolish the slave trade, and later to abolish it completely. The natives
on the west coast of Canada maintained slaves for half a century after
it had been abolished in the east.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 16:14:44 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/22/2020 4:09 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "dsi1" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> You nested your reply in the middle of another post but I did understand
>> who wrote what.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Thank you. I will try to do it better next time.
>>
>>
>You really do believe this guy speaks for everyone in the US?

Do you really believe everyone in the US has an opinion about how
Ophelia nested her reply?

===

lol

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 3:14:48 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 6/22/2020 4:09 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >
> > "dsi1"Â* wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >> Â*Â*Â* I expect you knew I didn't post the previous post?
> >
> > You nested your reply in the middle of another post but I did understand
> > who wrote what.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Â*Thank you.Â* I will try to do it better next time.
> >
> >
> You really do believe this guy speaks for everyone in the US?
>
> Jill
>
Yes, she truly does. Since she's so in love with all of his utterances I
wish he would whisper in her ear about learning how to trim posts before
she adds her one-line response. But I suspect he'll not do it in fear of
getting a dog cussing from her and falling out of favor with her.

writes:
>On 6/18/2020 4:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/18/2020 1:28 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
>>> writes:
>>>> On 6/17/2020 6:59 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 6/17/2020 1:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 2020-06-17 1:01 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Is nothing sacred?AA After 130 years an old friend is gone.AA We
>>>>>>>> grew
>>>>>>>> up with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
>>>>>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a
>>>>>>>> good breakfast.AA IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone
>>>>>>>> had an Aunt like her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your
>>>>>>> mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That
>>>>>>> concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can
>>>>>>> change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure. It could be a white lady. That would be the cue for people to
>>>>>> complain that black people are under represented in public images. In
>>>>>> Canada the low paid nanny that is making pancakes for breakfast for
>>>>>> little kids would be more likely to be Filipino.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thing is, Aunt Jemima is syrup and boxed pancake mix.AA A marketing
>>>>> concept which underwent a lot of changes through the 131 year history,
>>>>> according to the article in the New York Times:
>>>>>
>>>>> "In magazine advertisements throughout much of the 20th century, the
>>>>> character was shown serving white families. Aunt Jemima went through
>>>>> several redesigns over the decades. In 1989, Quaker Oats substantially
>>>>> revised the characteraA s look, adding pearl earrings and a lace
>>>>> collar."
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not understand why her drawn image is suddenly a horrific
>>>>> insult to
>>>>> anyone.AA It's *marketing*.AA Same thing with Uncle Ben, who apparently
>>>>> lent his image and his name to sell his own brand of rice.AA He was a
>>>>> real person who made money as a result.AA Would he be happy to see his
>>>>> face taken off those boxes of rice?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> There is nothing derogatory with the name Jemima and seems to be used by
>>>> people of other countries too.A The original drawings did depict her as
>>>> kitchen help, not so much the updated.
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemima
>>>>
>>>> Taking Uncle Ben off the rice is an insult to him.A He was a hard
>>>> working farmer and achieved a bit of recognition for his skills.
>>>
>>> The use of "Aunt Jemima" as a derogatory slur is very much alive.
>>>
>>>
><https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-reassigned-allegedly-calling-black-woman-juror-aunt/story?id=68824246>
>>>
>>>
>>> gotta say it's entertaining seeing a bunch of old white people
>>> outraged about a black lady not being used to sell syrup any more
>>>
>
>Her family does not agree with you
>
>https://patch.com/illinois/chicago/a...gacy-vanishing
>
>"This is an injustice for me and my family. This is part of my history,
>sir," Larnell Evans Sr. told me. "The racism they talk about, using
>images from slavery, that comes from the other side a white people. This
>company profits off images of our slavery. And their answer is to erase
>my great-grandmother's history. A black female. a | It hurts."

I'm sure Mr Evans is genuinely feeling a sense of loss. But given that
Aunt Jemima was a role (not a person - dozens of women have played Aunt
Jemima in order to sell the products), and the image Quaker uses today
has undergone enough revisions over the years that it surely no longer
resembles his great-grandmother, I am unconvinced about any claim of
"erasure" of his family history. In fact this change in marketing strategy
has renewed interest in the history of Aunt Jemima - she's at the top of
the google search charts.

Anna Short Harrington hasn't been erased from the Wikipedia page. She's
all over the internet. She'll never be erased.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aunt_Jemima

Mr Evans may not even be her great grandson. When he tried to sue
Quaker in 2014 the case was tossed because of a failure to prove
he was related.


and now for another take on Quaker's decision -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6HZPA4-z1c

"all of a sudden"

[much laughter]

dsi1 wrote:

> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 1:59:24 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
> > > wrote:
> > > > Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We
> > > > grew up with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> > > >
> > > > Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she
> > > > was just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to
> > > > have a good breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place
> > > > if everyone had an Aunt like her.
> > >
> > > The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be
> > > your mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby.
> > > That concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps
> > > they can change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a
> > > real aunt.
> >
> > You miss a beat yet again on Southern USA. It probably DOES sound
> > odd outside of it but 'aunt' or 'uncle' may have become something
> > racist long ago but words change ib usage all the time. In the
> > roaring 20's to call someone '***' meant they were light hearted
> > and full of fun. Today, totally different.
> >
> > Calling any one 'aunt or 'uncle' who actually isn't fell out of
> > common use when I was about 20 but it's still used today. It has no
> > connotation of color attached. It is related to 'a person so close
> > to your parents they could be brother or sister' hence 'Aunt' or
> > 'Uncle'. Aunt is more common. It's used by a younger person to
> > refer to them by first name but with a respect title.
>
> Are you saying that it would be okay for a colored person that you
> don't know to call you "auntie?" That sounds a little weird for the
> American South. It's perfectly normal on this rock.

It's used for (as above) close friends of your parents. 'Auntie' is
used sometimes but to refer to someone age 70+

On 2020-06-22 7:14 p.m., tert in seattle wrote:
> writes:
>> On 6/18/2020 4:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> I'm sure Mr Evans is genuinely feeling a sense of loss. But given that
> Aunt Jemima was a role (not a person - dozens of women have played Aunt
> Jemima in order to sell the products), and the image Quaker uses today
> has undergone enough revisions over the years that it surely no longer
> resembles his great-grandmother, I am unconvinced about any claim of
> "erasure" of his family history. In fact this change in marketing strategy
> has renewed interest in the history of Aunt Jemima - she's at the top of
> the google search charts.
>
> Anna Short Harrington hasn't been erased from the Wikipedia page. She's
> all over the internet. She'll never be erased.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aunt_Jemima
>
> Mr Evans may not even be her great grandson. When he tried to sue
> Quaker in 2014 the case was tossed because of a failure to prove
> he was related.

I don't know if it was so much a matter of not being about to prove he
was not related but he failed to show that he was an heir to her estate.
If he was not an heir he had no standing to launch a suit.

It is interesting to see how the alleged family members had no problem
trying to get a piece of the action, but then when their claims were
dismissed the image of Aunt Jemima was all about slaveyr and servitude
of black people.





>
> and now for another take on Quaker's decision -
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6HZPA4-z1c
>
> "all of a sudden"
>
> [much laughter]
>
>


Those guys seemed excited about the cancellation of Cops. Maybe they had
been perturbed by the high percentage of Cops guest stars being black.
The issue should have been about them being dumb enough to sign a
release to allow their image to be aired.... on top of getting caught
committing a crime.

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 12:41:38 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 2:57:30 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> > > We visited the International Slavery Museum when we were in Liverpool. It was interesting and moving. The Brits abolished slavery about 30 years before the Yanks did. The difference, of course, is that they didn't have a civil war over the matter,
> >
> > Again, the US Civil War wasn't about slavery.
> > The North was treating the South unfairly with economics.
> > They chose to leave the union. That's what the civil war
> > was all about.
> >
> > I suspect Lincoln abolished slavery later just as pay backs
> > to the South for trying to divide us into two countries.
>
> Some folks like to call the Civil War the "War for State's Rights." Well okay.

The Civil War was about the right of states to secede from the union. South said yes, north said no. War ensued.

John Kuthe...

On 2020-06-22 9:07 p.m., John Kuthe wrote:
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 12:41:38 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:

>> Some folks like to call the Civil War the "War for State's Rights."
>> Well okay.
>
> The Civil War was about the right of states to secede from the union.
> South said yes, north said no. War ensued.
>
>


They started a civil war because they wanted the right to secede?
That is ****ing brilliant. No wonder they lost.

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 10:09:45 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 6:31:29 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 3:45:49 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "Gary" wrote in message ...
> > >
> > > dsi1 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sure, why not use a reminder of a horrible past to sell product?
> > > > What's
> > > > the harm? Let's change the pancake box mascot to Cousin Anne and sell
> > > > product aimed at holocaust survivors and neo-nazis. Yeah, that might
> > > > make
> > > > some profits for the company. In the end, profits are the only thing
> > > > that
> > > > matter.
> > >
> > > True. In the end, profits DO matter.
> > > Don't you have a retirement account? Investing your savings
> > > for retirement in evil corporations and hoping they will
> > > earn you the best return?
> > >
> > > As far as past reminders of our history, let's tear down
> > > all reminders of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
> > > USAs most beloved past presidents. That's just to name
> > > a few.
> > >
> > > Both were slave owners. We should remove their faces
> > > from all currency, tear down their preserved mansions
> > > and monuments. Even Lincoln was a racist. He freed
> > > the blacks but he had no love for them.
> > > We could even rename Washington DC to MLK DC.
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > Good post! Thanks, Gary!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > All lives do matter but all this old slavery crying
> > > is just that...crap. Time to move on people and quit
> > > bitching about the past that can't be changed.
> > >
> > > And in the black community, clean up your own act then
> > > the police won't go so hard on you.
> >
> > We visited the International Slavery Museum when we were in Liverpool. It
> > was interesting and moving. The Brits abolished slavery about 30 years
> > before the Yanks did. The difference, of course, is that they didn't have
> > a
> > civil war over the matter, nor have they spent the last 160 years trying
> > to
> > resolve the conflict.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > I expect you knew I didn't post the previous post?
>
> You nested your reply in the middle of another post but I did understand who
> wrote what.
>
> ===
>
> Thank you. I will try to do it better next time.

My understanding of these programs and hierarchy structure of the texts is so deep and vast that you need do nothing to accommodate me, dear Lady. Please continue to feel free to post in any manner you wish. Rest assured that I will always know what the heck is going on and who is posting what.

Meanwhile, back on the rock, a nice old lady gave me an avocado. It's of a large size and weighs in at 1420 grams.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...09cSkevB0ooTMa

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 3:07:46 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 12:41:38 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 2:57:30 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > > dsi1 wrote:
> > > > We visited the International Slavery Museum when we were in Liverpool. It was interesting and moving. The Brits abolished slavery about 30 years before the Yanks did. The difference, of course, is that they didn't have a civil war over the matter,
> > >
> > > Again, the US Civil War wasn't about slavery.
> > > The North was treating the South unfairly with economics.
> > > They chose to leave the union. That's what the civil war
> > > was all about.
> > >
> > > I suspect Lincoln abolished slavery later just as pay backs
> > > to the South for trying to divide us into two countries.
> >
> > Some folks like to call the Civil War the "War for State's Rights." Well okay.
>
> The Civil War was about the right of states to secede from the union. South said yes, north said no. War ensued.
>
> John Kuthe...

Well, that's how losers of the conflict like to see it. Fine, they can see it any way they wish. What's it to me? Nuttin'.

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 1:25:11 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 1:59:24 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We
> > > > > grew up with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she
> > > > > was just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to
> > > > > have a good breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place
> > > > > if everyone had an Aunt like her.
> > > >
> > > > The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be
> > > > your mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby.
> > > > That concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps
> > > > they can change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a
> > > > real aunt.
> > >
> > > You miss a beat yet again on Southern USA. It probably DOES sound
> > > odd outside of it but 'aunt' or 'uncle' may have become something
> > > racist long ago but words change ib usage all the time. In the
> > > roaring 20's to call someone '***' meant they were light hearted
> > > and full of fun. Today, totally different.
> > >
> > > Calling any one 'aunt or 'uncle' who actually isn't fell out of
> > > common use when I was about 20 but it's still used today. It has no
> > > connotation of color attached. It is related to 'a person so close
> > > to your parents they could be brother or sister' hence 'Aunt' or
> > > 'Uncle'. Aunt is more common. It's used by a younger person to
> > > refer to them by first name but with a respect title.
> >
> > Are you saying that it would be okay for a colored person that you
> > don't know to call you "auntie?" That sounds a little weird for the
> > American South. It's perfectly normal on this rock.
>
> It's used for (as above) close friends of your parents. 'Auntie' is
> used sometimes but to refer to someone age 70+

Yes, I already know this. I used to watch the Andy Griffith Show. That's not how it goes down on this rock. We use it the way the Chinese use the terms - for any elderly gent or lady. It is used mostly by people under the age of 30 or so. It would not be appropriate for me to use the term.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd6bvZREh8Y

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 9:19:56 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-06-22 9:07 p.m., John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 12:41:38 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >> Some folks like to call the Civil War the "War for State's Rights."
> >> Well okay.
> >
> > The Civil War was about the right of states to secede from the union.
> > South said yes, north said no. War ensued.
> >
> >
>
>
> They started a civil war because they wanted the right to secede?
> That is ****ing brilliant. No wonder they lost.

I now wish we had let them go. OTOH, my "people" came from the
south, so I'd likely be stuck there.

Cindy Hamilton